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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by DigaDo View Post

...I thought my speculation might lead to a more detailed discussion of laser use accumulation comparing direct to disc recording and high-speed dubbing...

I must admit that I've not been able to pin down the actual laser use "wear and tear" due to direct to disc recording...

I'm wondering how actual laser use time would compare between three hours of direct to disc color recording at the LP recording mode and fifteen minutes of high speed dubbing of three hours (of) the same color content at the LP recording mode using 8x TY Premium Line DVD-R discs?

Now, if I could just stuff the worms back in the can...
post #32 of 45
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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

The only reason there is even a "demand" for DVDR is that the Magnavox soldiers on as a cheap alternative to TiVO or cable PVRs in some peoples minds, along with the few of us who appreciate it for what it is.

That's a way over-simplified classification. Many of us archivists do not see DVD recorders (that is the title of this forum after all, it's not just about Mag soldiers) as an alternative to Tivo or DVR/PVRs...I have a DVR but my DVD recorder is a supplement, not an alternative. The HDD is not a time-shifter nor a long-term storage medium for me, it's a fail-safe for making sure all recordings get to their final destination, the DVD.

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Originally Posted by CitiBear View Post

there are no unified consumer-friendly generic HDTV recording "alternatives to DVDR." There are too many choices and far too many shifting variables to confine this uncertain future to a single sticky thread. The "alternatives to DVDR" largely involve custom-install PC additions, with member experiences so diverse as to make DVDR blank media disagreements seem positively quaint. You might have served the Magnavox culture better by re-titling your original sticky "Magnavox And Alternatives," keeping everyone in the same boat on the same page discussing whatever comes along that could replace the "Magnavox Experience" of a dirt-cheap, WalMart-return-policy-backed, unified standalone recorder.

I resent being pigeon-holed as part of some "Magnavox culture", or a cheapskate with blinders on. I've owned many different DVD recorders that weren't Magnavox, and spent more than a pretty penny on my hobby. Once I'd had my taste of DVD recording with the convenience of HDD prep and security of a HDD fail-safe, I could never go back to plain non-HDD DVD recorders. For years now, the PhilMag line is the only HDD/DVD game in town. I see plenty of even cheaper DVD-only recorders still on B&M shelves, so to say DVDRs are "gone" since 2007 is just wrong.

As you say regarding the alternatives, there ARE too many shifting variables, evolving technologies, re-written laws and industry constraints being strewn about, that in my mind it would be foolish to commit to a particular technology or methodology yet when we have been using one that has been stable for years. A thread that is at a cursory level of exploring the alternatives to the apparent "DVD sunset" to stay abreast of what is currently out there and will be out there as a possible alternative is NOT out of place in this DVD recorder sub-forum.

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

I don't think the overall concept is bad, as far as it being there for the benefit of the tyros who want to learn of the possible alternatives - but once individual people get to a certain point of knowledge and usage themselves, they should be directed to the appropriate, already-established forums for whatever device or method they're using.

Many of us DVD archivists ARE tyros in the sense that we are old-school, been doing it for years, and have made it work to our satisfaction. I agree, the "alternatives" thread is just an "R&D" for this sub-forum, more "R" than "D", and once someone decides to go on to "D", then they SHOULD move on the appropriate topical forum.

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

In other words, keep the DVD Recorders forum about DVD recorders (and VCR's, of course). This is an SD sub-forum, too, remember.

Huh? Where in "Video Components" > "DVD Recorders" does it mention "SD"?

Bottom line, if DVD recording is "dead", "gone", "quaint", or for "cheap tyros", then what is bringing some of you to this forum other than to berate, condescend or sell Tivos? Stay out if you're not going to be helpful or supportive.
post #33 of 45
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Originally Posted by digado View Post

now, if i could just stuff the worms back in the can...

lol
post #34 of 45
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Huh? Where in "Video Components" > "DVD Recorders" does it mention "SD"?

It doesn't, but in the HDTV area there is already an HD recording forum. Not that HD talk is absolutely verboten here, but that forum is often better equipped for some of the questions.

Same reason why HDTV reception and Blu-ray talk have their own areas, whereas this forum is in an area with DVD players, etc.

I suppose the streaming/download forum has HD, but a lot of that tech is still SD, too.
post #35 of 45
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Originally Posted by Tulpa View Post

It doesn't, but in the HDTV area there is already an HD recording forum. Not that HD talk is absolutely verboten here, but that forum is often better equipped for some of the questions.

Same reason why HDTV reception and Blu-ray talk have their own areas, whereas this forum is in an area with DVD players, etc.

I suppose the streaming/download forum has HD, but a lot of that tech is still SD, too.

Well, the array of "HTPC" sub-forums here isn't limited to SD, either.
post #36 of 45
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Well, the array of "HTPC" sub-forums here isn't limited to SD, either.

No, but truth be told they should really have their own area. Lumping DVD recorders in with other SD sources such as DVD players and Non-HD cable seems appropriate.
post #37 of 45
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Bottom line, if DVD recording is "dead", "gone", "quaint", or for "cheap tyros", then what is bringing some of you to this forum other than to berate, condescend or sell Tivos? Stay out if you're not going to be helpful or supportive.

Eh?

Show me where I've ever "berated" anyone for wanting or using one of the Magnavox's. That's right - you can't - because I never have (calling certain Magnavox threads here "like a cult" is an entirely different thing). I've never called anybody "cheap", either (that would be more the domain of some of those who hang out strictly in the HD forums). Anybody who does that either gets reprimanded by the administration here, or banned - and I never have, for anything like that (in all my time here, I've only ever gotten reprimanded in a PM once, for making a general comment about the "state of our education system", after I just got so fed up with reading the usage of the word "loose" in place of "lose" all over the internet, and I was only banned one time for a week, after stupidly getting sucked into a political "discussion". Both times were very early on, and far away from this sub-forum, which is where I started out on AVS).

In fact, I've consistently recommended the Magnavoxes over the years to people (under the appropriate circumstances), and have often sent many over here from other forums to learn more. The difference with me, which some people apparently do not like, is that I prefer to see posters make up their minds for themselves, after they've gotten all sides of everything. It's some others around here who don't have the open minds, and who's egos can seemingly come first over genuinely helping each poster individually (and I also don't go around acting like "I know more than anyone else", either. I refer people to other posters and forums all the time, because I don't know all that much about anything, relatively-speaking for this whole forum).

And honestly, I couldn't care less who ever buys or doesn't buy a TiVo. I don't have any "agenda" about any specific recorder. I don't want to see the last, remaining HDD/DVD recorder sold in the US disappear, any more than anyone else does around here.

I have and have had various SD and HD recorders over the last decade myself (including a Magnavox H2080, which I wasn't crazy about the black level with, so I returned. But it was a nice enough recorder otherwise, and I'd probably own one, if I didn't already have 4 other, older, perfectly-functioning models around here. I don't use them like many here, and I occasionally rotate them).

You guys really need to get your **** together, as far as your emotions. You're obviously in some kind of depressive or panicky mode now, and are possibly fearing that this sub-forum may become non-existent or something. Well, don't worry, it's not. Plenty here still have caches of these devices in store - Magnavox's included. You all need to calm down.
post #38 of 45
Oh, this is going to be good one!
post #39 of 45
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

You guys really need to get your **** together, as far as your emotions. You're obviously in some kind of depressive or panicky mode now, and are possibly fearing that this sub-forum may become non-existent or something. Well, don't worry, it's not. Plenty here still have caches of these devices in store - Magnavox's included. You all need to calm down.

Project much?
post #40 of 45
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Project much?

What - the guy accuses me of all sorts of untrue stuff, and I'm not allowed to respond?

Schickelgruber much?
post #41 of 45
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

What - the guy accuses me of all sorts of untrue stuff, and I'm not allowed to respond?

Schickelgruber much?

Check your PM. I happened to quote you in my post, but my responses to you were mostly in agreement. I didn't mean to direct the rest of my response toward you.

My "emotional" response was a rebuttal to the marginalization by CitiBear thrown out there. There was no out-of-check emotion in it.
post #42 of 45
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Project much?

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

What - the guy accuses me of all sorts of untrue stuff, and I'm not allowed to respond?

Schickelgruber much?

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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

Check your PM. I happened to quote you in my post, but my responses to you were mostly in agreement. I didn't mean to direct the rest of my response toward you.

My "emotional" response was a rebuttal to the marginalization by CitiBear thrown out there. There was no out-of-check emotion in it.

Fall off the deep end much? Take your pills!
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by wajo View Post

Fall off the deep end much? Take your pills!

Maybe you can lend me some of yours - you don't seem to be using them.
post #44 of 45
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Originally Posted by dare2be View Post

My "emotional" response was a rebuttal to the marginalization by CitiBear thrown out there. There was no out-of-check emotion in it.

Sorry. I meant that more towards the forum in general. People seem to be abnormally touchy lately.
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Maybe you can lend me yours - you don't seem to be using them.

ROTFL. Oh, that was a crushing blow!

By the way, NOW you've got AMNESIA too!?

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Originally Posted by Rammitinski View Post

Show me where I've ever "berated" anyone for wanting or using one of the Magnavox's. That's right - you can't - because I never have...
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