new Dlp or keep Plasma - Page 2

I have had my plasma all of 3 days, so I honestly don't know if it will last longer than my DLP did. Kind of makes you afraid to buy a tv if I have to keep replacing it..... My Panny DLP was rated #1 by Consumer Reports the day I bought it, and they rate Panasonic as the most problem free brand after 4 years. I am not a fanboy of plasma, but I was sharing my real world story with my DLP. My brother in law had to replace his DMD chip too, but at least since he bought a Samsung, he could get a used part for it a lot cheaper than mine. Hopefully since Mitsubishi is still in the DLP business, they figured out their problems and have a much better tv than my DLP. And maybe the part if it fails doesn't cost the same as a new tv. I loved my DLP up until it failed..... My plasma has a better picture, but that might be because I went from 720p to 1080p. And a newer tv has better color, fresher bulb.

Glad you are enjoying your plasma! There's nothing worse than buyer's remorse.

I had a bad experience with Panasonic years ago over a VCR (at the time it was rated #1 in quality and reliability), and they lost a customer for good. I haven't bought a Panasonic product since.

When my Mitsubishi's light engine failed one year out of warranty, I was extremely angry and disappointed to say the least. After getting nowhere with customer service, I began shopping for a new TV, and you know what? I was still only interested in buying another Mitsubishi DLP!

As I have shown with my Panasonic story, I have no trouble writing a company off forever if they fail me in some way, but the quality of the Mits TV (while it lasted) could not be denied. I wanted another Mitsubishi. I was only angry at the fact that I would have to spend money to get another one.

Luckily, before I pulled the trigger, I received an email from Mitsubishi offering to make it right again. They replaced my 2 year old lower tier 57" with a top tier 65" for free, and even offered a 73" for a slight charge. I decided to hedge my bets and stuck with the 65". When I fired up the new set, I couldn't believe how much they had improved in just two years!

My son had a 65" that went to my daughter when he upgraded to a 73". My youngest son bought a 60" soon after. All TVs are still performing as good as when new. My ex bought herself a 73" this Christmas, and my best friend is buying one (82"?) this month. Every one of them made their decision after seeing my TV (or my son's TV in the case of my ex). And it's not just about price, especially with my son. His DLP is surrounded by over $12,000 in audio gear.

Again, there's nothing that is a deal breaker for me with plasma other than price, pixel response, SDE, and especially size, but then most people getting their first flat screen believe they only need 42"-50". They only realize later that nothing compares to screen size, especially when watching 3D. [WARNING] Once you go big, it's hard to go back.

Remember that DLP is not competing with plasma or LCD. DLP is a different market. As stated, most people are looking to buy 42"-50", and plasma and LCD are competing with each other in that range.

I prefer a flat as a pancake plasma. It is attractive, not cute.

Most thinking DLP offers just as sharp of a picture as a plasma or LCD are just flat out wrong. I've owned all 3 techs including. DLP is by far the worst of em.

Don't be embarrassed, people buy cars for the same reason. (With cars, I prefer handling over all else, including comfort.) To each their own.

You have a perfectly valid reason to buy a flatscreen. Your priorities are different than mine, and that is all.

See, no bashing required.

Some people don't really understand picture quality either. I visited my son's in-laws, and they had a Kuro elite, and they were soooo proud.

I have calibrated TVs, and I know what a picture should look like. Unfortunately, the Kuro's blacks were crushed, and color was way off. Everyone looked like they were glowing orange-red, and the oversaturated colors bled into each other. It was so unwatchable, I took a "nap" while they watched a movie. I didn't have the heart to tell them the TV settings were so out of whack.

In their case, all the money they spent for a premium TV was wasted. They could have been just as easily satisfied with any TV, because they didn't know any better. Is was all about owning a plasma, and owning the highest rated plasma. But they were clueless, and had I tried to help, they would have been insulted.

Even a 720P set takes the cake of a full 1080P DLP.

I consider it to be factual that plasma and LCD have much better picture then any DLP set out there. Of course there always going to be other thoughts about that as well. Ladies are a perfect example. Some people like fat overweight ladies. Some like em with a little but of meat. Some like em super thin.

People can talk about what they prefer till the world ends. It's just the nature of how we chose things.

If I were the OP I'd ask myself. Am I happy with my display. If not. Then I'd have to try something else. Having them side by side is makes it easier to chose. But not all can do side by side comparisons. (at home)

All you really need to do to get a half way decent picture on a kuro is select pure...

And I won't regale you with stories of my Mitsubishi LCD's (and my godmothers and my grandfathers and my coworkers...) green and pink vertical lines-- Because I'm sooo over that now and I really don't want to argue. Suffice to say I'm happy that your mitsu experience has been a good one! Mine, on the other hand, has been anything but...

Again, you seem to misinterpret the meaning of my post. It didn't matter whether I were to calibrate their set with my equipment or flip it into pure mode. They had no idea there was anything wrong. They called the oversaturation "pop", and the crushed blacks "inky". They would have complained if I reset it correctly.

My point was to take with a grain of salt any Joe Consumer blanket statements that one tech is way better than the other. You can never be sure they even have a clue as to what they are talking about.

A good sign they're spouting BS is things like "[brand/type] sucks", "[brand/type] has a better picture than any [brand/type] out there", and statements of that nature, with no facts to back them up. They're either newbies, so you teach them; fanboys, so you cut them some slack; or idiots, so you ignore them.

As far as TV failures, I already covered that. It happens to all brands, and I'm sure everyone knows someone with a story, if it didn't happen to them. I even related my story. Panasonic lost me at hello, just as Mitsubishi lost you, even over someone else's LCD experience. And that's okay.

Auger,

I understand what you're saying but my advice is to just drop it before it can get bad

:d My smilies are broken (until I type "my smilies are broken")

No, it's not. Because thinly veiled slights and a fair amount of trolling does not mean we have to resort to name calling and fighting.

Auger, it's clear to me that you REALLY enjoy your DLP and apparently so too does your family. You obviously have a bone to pick and your story about taking a nap during what should be a fun and social event reveals a fair bit more about your personality than I'd care to know. You've generalized the average consumer as being naive and/or unintelligent and somehow dismissed the very legitimate market pressures that have forced rear projection to the edge of extinction while SIMULTANEOUSLY spouting out-dated slander of your own against plasma (SDE? Really?). To not see DLP for what it is-- a niche product relegated to a sole manufacturer confined to a specific corner of the big, BIG screen market-- is just putting blinders on. Hopefully plasma will avoid the same fate but the future is far from clear.

To the OP, is DLP still relevant? Sure, but only IF you're in the market for a large screen and the particular idiosyncrasies of the tech (which largely forced it out of the market in the first place) don't bother you as it did "Joe Consumer". Consider as well that your current plasma is heralded as a 'best buy' and has been picked by several publications as a top pick for quality/value.

There isn't any winning with him. Just trust me on that one lol.

As I said. I see it as fact. DLP vs even a cheap plasma. Plasma wins hands down. No questions asked. Better picture. Sharp. Crips. Waaaaaay better off angle viewing.

Re-read my posts. I didn't generalize at all. I was quite specific: (emphasis by me)
hardly generalizing the average consumer.


I never dismissed anything. Again, you somehow dismiss my statements that acknowledge the very points you claim I can't see.

From a previous post:


Slander? Nothing was spoken (perhaps you meant "libel").

I listed Screen Door Effect as one disadvantage I saw in plasmas. I also qualified my opinions numerous times...
These things always get so heated, so let me clarify. Mentioning SDE as a disadvantage is not an attack on plasmas or plasma owners. I'm sure it is a non-issue for them in fact, as they chose their sets for the advantages that outweigh the disadvantages.

Just as Silk Screen Effect is low on my DLP disadvantage list. I also don't watch standing up or far to the side, so the viewing angle "disadvantage" of DLP is not an issue for me. I also posted a video to demonstrate just how severe that disavantage might or might not be, so others can make their own decisions on whether or not it would be a problem for them. And as I stated before, size and 3D performance are high priorities for me, so I weigh everything against those criteria. Which brings us to the reason for my concern about SDE.

Are you saying SDE is no longer a disadvantage of plasma? The pixel fill factor is now somehow higher than 90%? Last I checked, the fill factor was still around 70%, meaning 30% of the image you see is the pixel grid. I sit about six feet from a 65" screen while watching 3D, so this would in fact be a deal killer for me, and I will gladly retract my SDE statement if it is not true. When did this change? Which model(s) have no SDE?

As mentioned numerous times ALL TVs have disadvantages and advantages. Some work for one set of criteria, others for an entirely different set. Very rarely is there a situation where one set wouldn't work as well as another. Having a choice (and discussing those choices) is the most important thing.

<@ certain other individuals>

I never claimed one TV type was exclusively the best. Not even the one I own. In fact in numerous posts now, I've stated just the opposite. I never made a juvenile statement like "[Brand/Type] is the winner, hands down" blah blah blah, like some, and I never will. What did they win? Is there some battle or contest going on somewhere? Are we twelve-year-olds with X-Boxes now?

Saying a KURO didn't look as good as a DLP is like saying the sky isn't blue. Just plain out false and wrong.

Maybe it's an insult to DLP owners? Cheap sets trying to be passed off as if they are just as good as today's tech.

Tech changes peeps.

One of the kuro owners here preferred a dlp set lol just saying

I am new here but I have watched alot of tv in my 46 years so here is my opinion of this matter.

Which tech (plasma or DLP) comes close to a real life Cinema? (viewing a movie as the Director intended)


DLP ! Hands Down!
and also DLP is one cool tech!


I own a plasma by the way! Sorry guys and gals.

One can make any TV unwatchable with just three adjustments, even a Kuro, as already discussed. It's not about brand loyalty or TV quality, or insulting others. It's about human nature. Stir the pot somewhere else.


As stated earlier, the plasma video display was invented in 1964 http://www.engr.ncsu.edu/news/awards/bitzer2.html, while the DLP DMD chip wasn't even invented until 1987, which makes the DLP technology 23 years newer.http://www.dlp.com/technology/dlp-history/default.aspx

In 1992, Fujitsu introduced the world's first 21-inch (53 cm) full-color display. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display Mitsubishi debuted their flagship DLP TV in 2001, followed in 2002 by Samsung. http://www.dlp.com/technology/dlp-history/default.aspx

Thay's a time to market of 14 years for DLP, versus 28 years for plasma. Newer tech, in half the time. Even faster, if you count front projection. Facts don't lie.



The only correct statement in the entire post. Mitsubishi and Samsung continued to innovate with 3D DLPs introduced in 2007 http://www.electronichouse.com/article/3d_dlp/ In contrast, the first 3D plasmas didn't ship until 2010 http://www.electronista.com/articles...tvs.in.spring/

Tech does change indeed.

Guess its bound to happen one way or another lol.

I'd never own another DLP. Picture just sucks to me. I grew up watching tv on a DLP. My father had one for years. Once I got my 1st flat screen. Ive never been able to look at a DLP set again. Not a single one has looked good to me. I don't see that ever changing. Sure colors are pretty good. But that's about it. Picture isn't sharp or clear at all.

It's impossible for DLP tech to be as sharp as any flat panel display. That isn't an opinion. It's a fact. Anyone who's owned even the most expensive DLP sets can see that. Admitting it however is a complete different thing.

I had a......2005?? Samsung 61 inch DLP TV 20,000:1 contrast and went to my now PN59D550 Plasma

hands down the plasma DESTROYS my old DLP

But that said I havent seen a 2011 DLP compared to my 2011 Plasma

You won't. For good reason. DLP won't ever make it in today's market. It's to dated tech and too craptastic for makers to bother trying to make a better DLP set. DLP is good for one thing only. Trash cans. Or compactors. Your choice.

Juke I 100% agree but Auger dont :P.

They even make DLP still?

Man you guys sound like the lcd fanboys haha

Plasma Fanboy but sir, I had a DLP and it just isnt nearly as good. That said Auger loves the HUGE DLP's

Ive never owned one of them or seen a plasma 80" wide :P

Nope. I've owned em all. For every set out there. There's always something else I'd get. There are LCD sets I'd buy today. As well as plasma.

There isn't a single DLP I'd buy. That won't ever change. There picture just isn't worth the price.

Actually, I don't love or hate any technology.

I just don't care much for people with an agenda posting FUD. You'll notice Jukebox repeating the same mantra (old tech and sharpness BS) over and over, ignoring facts and refusing (unable) to show any evidence to the contrary.

Yet he's constantly repeating phrases like "That isn't an opinion. It's a fact", yet when cornered, he ducks and turns from one mantra to the other, and relies on inflamatory statements to divert the subject.

Expected lol. Don't think anyone should bother with him. I can't see his post. But I can only imagine how steamed up he's getting based on some of the post I've seen in here. Including mine.

Most likely tries to come back with "facts" from 30 years ago claiming DLP to be top dog or was top dog at one point in time. Most likely talking about 3-D being on the DLP set years before it was ever on a flat screen. Best price for money and what not.

What he doesn't realize. Regardless of how great DLP had been at one point in time. That time isn't today. Making all those facts and statistics useless.

We are talking about todays market. Today's tech. DLP isn't in today's market.

Ever had a friend that drives a real crappy car that's 20 years old. Says they love it because of how long it's lasted and what not. Well. That's a DLP. Old and outdated. Time for an upgrade.

Even the best DLP looks like crap to the cheapest plasma sets made today. There's a reason lol.

my 2 mo plasma just broke.....my DLP still kickin 5 years later :/

Speaking of "today's tech", plasma is down to only five manufacturers, but you don't see any FUD from me about it being a dying technology on it's way out. And I don't refuse to back up my statements. There are now only five manufacturers of plasma TVs, with Hitachi, Visio, Pioneer, Phillips, Fujitsu, Toshiba, RCA, NEC all abandoning plasma (but don't take my word for it, see for yourself)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_display#2006.E2.80.93present to focus on LCD, which outsells plasma 10 to 1 http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lcd-tv-market-larger-plasma-201102201032.htm

One can still buy a plasma TV, and one can still buy a DLP, making both a modern and viable choice.

Sorry to hear that, but that doesn't make DLP better. All TV manufacturers have sets that fail, regardless of tech.