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post #211 of 238
Just got done doing an installing my new AVR. I picked up the SC-1222k on a black friday special. My Onkyo tx-sr606 in my living room crapped out again (surprise surprise). My Pioneer VSX 1020k in my theater went to the living room and this is the replacement. So far things look and sound great. For some reason google chrome did not like the av navigator software, it installed with an error and came up in Chinese! I copied the url into IE and all was good.

I was even able to side load the iControlAV2012 app onto my Kindle Fire with no problems. Using this app to do some a/b is comparisons/operate a second zone remotely is pretty sweet.

Don't have much of an opinion yet on the sound quality. I did run the MCACC auto calibration. It told me two of my speakers were out of phase (they aren't), and set my front speakers to large with a 100hz crossover. Seems odd. I have an older set of Polk Rti800s with a Def Tech Supercube 1 sub. Definitely going to have to play around with the sound calibrations tomorrow.

I'll post some more opinions tomorrow after I have some more play time. Not a lot of info on this unit out there...
post #212 of 238
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Hi all I have a question related to picture quality through these receivers.
I currently have a Pioneer VSX 1014TX that I have been pretty happy with. I dont know how much of an upgrade any of these would be over that receiver and wasnt thinking of upgrading.
I'm upgrading from the 1014 to the 1222. I am still happy with the 1014, and am only upgrading to get the DTS-MA and DD-TruHD decoders. Too bad I can't use my 1222 yet due to it not fitting in my tv stand (knew it ahead of time) and my HDMI cable not reaching the AVR (didn't see that coming).
post #213 of 238
Hi,

I was wondering if the MCACC memory slots on the vsx-922 or sc-2022 can also save different speaker setups, like having one setup with 5.1 (including sub) and one 5.0 (without) sub even though the manual seems to state otherwise? This would be pretty helpful to quickly switch to a non-subwoofer setup while listening at night.

Thanks for any input!
post #214 of 238
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Originally Posted by Hi Def Fan View Post

What "components" are you hooking up to the AVR and TV? It can depend. For instance if you have an AVR that does video upscaling, esp something as good as Marvell's QDeo, you'd want to hook a Cable or Sat box to the receiver vs TV, to get video upscaling on 480i channels. The same would be true for a Wii, since the original model only outputs 480p.
Something like a gaming PC or current gen xbox or PS though would probably be best connected straight to the TV, to help minimize input lag.
Any Blu-ray device you'll want to hook to the receiver and let the AVR pass through the video signal to the TV. Some AVRs can even pass through 3D content to TVs that are 3D capable.

For those running PS3 and playing DVDs, how do you optimize the PS3 video settings such that we allow the Pioneer to run video upscaling without issues? Or is it automatic? I am running HDMI from PS3 to my SC 1122 out to Panasonic Plasma.
post #215 of 238
Got the SC-1222 recently (Newegg $550). Quite pleased so far. Handles our big old 4 ohm ADS 710 four cone speakers with no problems. Sound is full and detailing is good. Having fun with internet radio, trying different stations. Streams at higher bit rates (192+) sound good. Got a DB Systems phono stage but haven't done any LP listening yet. Seems like a tremendous value at this price.

Very high volume listeners may feel that the lower end D3 receivers don't have enough power. We listen at mid-levels and the SC-1222 has more then enough power for us. Can't think of anything else even close to this quality and feature set at $550.

Only negative so far is that Pioneer still hasn't solved the Pandora problem, still getting a server error with the latest firmware, minor inconvenience. Our other receiver in the bedroom (Yamaha RX-V671) connects to Pandora with no problems, so its definitely a Pioneer thing.
post #216 of 238
Hi,

Does the "LFE Attenuation" setting in audio parameter setup adjust the volume of the subwoofer and when setting to off, is the sub then turned off, or does it still play low frequencies that get routet from SMALL speakers?

thanks.
post #217 of 238
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Originally Posted by winston9332 View Post

Any sc-6x owners have a pic of the osd?

Anyone?
post #218 of 238
I'm currently shopping for a new AVR.... current consideration is for the Pioneer SC-1227-K.
Everyone here is talking SC-1222, and I havent seen mention of the SC-1227-K.
Is the SC-1227 just a Canadian model, or perhaps just a FUT.SHP model, or.... ?? and does anyone here have any input on it?
Thnx
post #219 of 238
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Originally Posted by Hairyfitz View Post

I'm currently shopping for a new AVR.... current consideration is for the Pioneer SC-1227-K.
Everyone here is talking SC-1222, and I havent seen mention of the SC-1227-K.
Is the SC-1227 just a Canadian model, or perhaps just a FUT.SHP model, or.... ?? and does anyone here have any input on it?
Thnx

Welcome to AVS Hairyfitz,
The SC-1227 is a Canadian model, the SC-1222 is a US Model.

SC-1227-K

SC-1222-K

A brief look at the spec.s and the SC-1222 appears to be the better choice and has a 2yr warranty.
post #220 of 238
Ya... thats kinda what I was looking at.... I couldn't find any noticeable difference in the specs(other than the power rating), and I noticed that the sc-1227 had the 2 Year warranty versus the sc-1222 had 1 year.
I was thinking they were exactly the same beast, just with different numbers for different markets....?!
post #221 of 238
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Originally Posted by hyghwayman View Post

Welcome to AVS Hairyfitz,
The SC-1227 is a Canadian model, the SC-1222 is a US Model.
SC-1227-K
SC-1222-K
A brief look at the spec.s and the SC-1222 appears to be the better choice and has a 2yr warranty.

From what I can compare - suppose to be identical to each other.
When comparing to the Elite SC-61, the 1222/1227 does not have the extra remote switch in the back. The only remaining question is ... is the Hi-Bit Audio 24bits@48KHz like the SC-61 or 24bits@96KHz like the SC-63.
And does it really make any difference?
post #222 of 238
Hi there,

I've been trolling these threads as a guest, trying to learn as much as possible.

Just befoee Christmas, and based partly on some of the responses here, I purchased a Pioneer VSX1122K receiver, and I also bought a Pioneer BDP450 blu ray player. They're now hooked up to some cheap Wharfdale speakers, but I do have to say, I'm really pleased with both the reciever and the blu ray player.

This is my first serious receiver/player setup, and I've been having a blast listening/watching to blu ray discs/ DVD's and DVD Audios.

The only thing I really wanted was two extra audio zones out, so I could have one in my living area, and another outside for the patio. Just recently, I read about the VSX2021, that seems to be very similar to the 1122K but with two extra zones (rather than the one extra that the 1122 has). Does anyone have any experience with the 2021.

I guess it doesn't really matter. I might look at a switch box for the Zone 2 audio, so I could maybe split the audio for the second zone.

Anyway, I'm enjoying all the information on this site! smile.gif

Cheers,

Mike
post #223 of 238
My VSX-1122 loses sound while I am watching TV and I've noticed as this happens the red light for ipad/ipod blinks. Turning ONLY the 1122 off then back on resolves this problem but only until the TV is on at another time, and this happens once every 3 hrs or so. I've had this 1122 since May '12 and this problem started early in Dec. '12 with the same connections. The 1122 is connected via HDMI to my 2010 Samsung 55" UN55C6400 ( no ARC) and an optical cable back to the 1122. I havn't done anything to resolve this yet.....any ideas?
post #224 of 238
hey guys

Vsx-1122 is €485
SC-2022 (sc-1222) is €790

which one would you get? The price difference is an issue, but if I get some good features for the extra money, then I can afford €790. So, any advise?

speakers: Monitor audio rx-6, center and surrounds
use: %70 movies, 30% music (pop, R&B)
post #225 of 238
I am very new to home theater system and receivers, so I apologize in advance for what is probably a basic question.

I would like to listen to one source on my receiver (pioneer 1222) for audio and another for video. Is there an easy way to do this?

Thank you in advance for your help.
post #226 of 238
I bought a Pioneer VSX-1022-K 7.2 channel receiver because my home came with 8 in-ceiling mounted speakers (2 in each of 4 rooms) and my old 5.1 receiver was outdated and was not powerful enough to drive all 8 speakers. However, even though there is some improvement, the speakers still aren't able to get loud enough to enjoy in all 4 rooms (I have a 4-way switchbox and even with 1-2 rooms turned on, the sound is still just not as powerful as I would expect). I suspect the extra long length cheap quality speaker wires don't help. What do you suggest I do to help resolve this? I was thinking of buying an amplifier to help fortify & strengthen the power to the speakers. Not sure what kind to get, but I only can spare a couple hundred towards a used amp. Your suggestions & feedback would be most appreciated! Thanks!
post #227 of 238
Question for those with a 1222-K: how fast is the HDMI startup time? Do you use HDMI pass through in standby? If so, is there any startup time turning on a TV waiting for a signal from the HDMI in standby?

My Onkyo takes a good 15 seconds from cold start. Havent tried with HDMI pass thru since it seems to suck so much electricity and make the unit warm up for mostly no reason.

Thanks in advance.

-Chris
post #228 of 238
So what are some key differences between the 1222-K and sc-61? Comparing them on Pioneer sites I am not seeing anything that stands out besides the 61 being an Elite.
post #229 of 238
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

So what are some key differences between the 1222-K and sc-61? Comparing them on Pioneer sites I am not seeing anything that stands out besides the 61 being an Elite.

The Elite has 12v trigger(s) which the 1222 does not.

I know there is one other small difference (maybe just the fact that the display is blue/amber on the Elite) but I think thats pretty much it.

Id even be curious to see if the triggers could be added (i.e. are there connections on the main board and you just need to make holes for them in the case). I believe the Pio site shows the 1222-K as slightly less power than the SC-61, but its been said a lot of times that the internals are exactly the same, so it could just be an error on the site or something to differentiate the Elite model.

If you look at the "Pioneer SC-1222-K anyone?" thread HTLabs just tested the SC-61. The power output numbers were impressive to say the least. The biggest advantage is the very very low power loss between 2 channels driven and all 7 channels driven.
post #230 of 238
I also see that the sc-61 has Hi-bit24 listed but the 1222k doesn't. Also looks like the sc-61 has Manual MCACC listed but not on SC1222. Might also have a few extra listening modes. Only asking as there is a great deal on the 1222k.
post #231 of 238
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

I also see that the sc-61 has Hi-bit24 listed but the 1222k doesn't. Also looks like the sc-61 has Manual MCACC listed but not on SC1222. Might also have a few extra listening modes. Only asking as there is a great deal on the 1222k.

I bought the 1222-K from that great deal (Newegg, right?) I bought it BEFORE the extra 20.00 off, I Might be chatting with them today to see if they will adjust for me.

The 1222 does have manual MCACC, just grab the manual off the Pio site and you can see it. Check out the MCACC master thread here at AVSForum for the best way to use it.

Hi-Bit24 seems to be for sound enhancement of low(er) quality sources? I see lower models have it listed, so my guess is that the 1222-K has it also.

The only question I have about this AVR is why its selling for so low....class D amps (SECOND generation even, not like they just threw something out there), etc. Seems like they should be getting more $$$ for it than they are.
post #232 of 238
I currently have a Pio VSX-1120-K and I just helped a friend setup up a SC-1222-K. I was impressed by the power. I'm really debating picking one up at the $530 sale price to go with my new CHT PRO-10s.
post #233 of 238
Well I am debating due to the current price today if I should go with the 1222-K over my current sc-25 which I bought back in 2010 I think.
post #234 of 238
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Originally Posted by busbeepbeep View Post

I currently have a Pio VSX-1120-K and I just helped a friend setup up a SC-1222-K. I was impressed by the power. I'm really debating picking one up at the $530 sale price to go with my new CHT PRO-10s.

I would. I remember the xx20 series were VERY underpowered compared to the xx21 series.
post #235 of 238
The 1222 does have the Hi-Bit 24 feature, its in the audio settings menu.
post #236 of 238
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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

So what are some key differences between the 1222-K and sc-61? Comparing them on Pioneer sites I am not seeing anything that stands out besides the 61 being an Elite.

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Originally Posted by cburbs View Post

I also see that the sc-61 has Hi-bit24 listed but the 1222k doesn't. Also looks like the sc-61 has Manual MCACC listed but not on SC1222. Might also have a few extra listening modes. Only asking as there is a great deal on the 1222k.

For people trying to find the differences between the cheapest class D3 amplifier (Pioneer SC-1222K) and the second cheapest D3 amplifier to date (Pioneer Elite SC-61):

- SC-61 has 2 12V triggers for remote systems, SC-1222K doesn't have any.
- SC-61 has 2 IR inputs while SC-1222 has just 1.
- +1 Year Warranty for the SC-61
- Display color in amber for the SC-61, light blue for the SC-1222K
- ELITE logo in the front keypad door in the SC-61.
- SC-1222K can be found down to $500, and SC-61 down to $716 while Pioneer's MSRP is $1100 for both to date.

The rest is exactly the same, including the remarkable amplification stage. There was some confusion in other threads about a couple of features that both the SC-61 and SC-1222K actually share:

- Both have Hi-Bit 24bits up to 48KHz Audio (requantization enhancement system for lower bit depth audio sources).
- Both have Manual Advanced MCACC.
- Both have the very same firmware,
- Both have the same listening modes.


Regards
post #237 of 238
(3-28/13)...as of yesterday my VSX-1122 was delivered to Hi-tech n Nashville, Tn., a Pioneer warranty repair shop. I posted a complaint here n post 223 about my situation~Jan 4th, 2013. I am pleased with this receiver but I cannot tolerate a 2012 model item already having problems. The folks at Hi-tech said it would be 4-6 weeks, meanwhile my Pioneer 1st gen Andrew Jones speakers will b silent.
post #238 of 238
Picked up from Amazon the VSX-822-Kfor $230, $150 discount since new models released.

Using 4 Bergtek HDMI 1.4 cables to connect sources and TV. Setup was pretty easy. MCACC works and does improve sound although there is no adjustment after other than bass/treble controls.

Front speakers are vintage Hafler 300 towers and rears are JBL HLS410. No center or sub. Return to Forever bluray with dts hd sound was very naturalwithout the hyped up subwoofer boom from my old yamaha setup. Cheap subs just don't sound natural to me. I won't get room rattling explosions but that's ok. The Haflers go down to about 70hz strong, then fade out at 35hz testing with signal generator test.


The one thing I do not like is that I can't set a surround mode for each input. So, if Dolby Digital or dts is present those are auto selected, that is ok. Stereo soundtracks for all inputs have to be stereo or decoded as pro logic or dts neo6. My old Yamaha would remember what surround mode I selected for each input. The DTS neo6 seems to sound the best compared to Dolby PLII.

Listening to flac files off my nas. Sounds pretty good although not as nice as my vintage h/k amps in the mancave stereo. Dts neo6 music seems to sound best. The mcacc eq really makes it better initially, have to do more pure direct listening. Sound retriever adds some pop to the music and doesnt seem obtrusive or fatiging to listen too on some jazz music. I need to try my h/k pm655 downstairs for comparison.

So far it is fulfilling my needs for the living room HT setup. Not as easy to use as my old Yamaha and I wish I could tweak the MCACC EQ settings. Sometime I'll use some test tones and my spectrum analyzer on my phone to see what MCACC is doing as far as EQ.

I do like the Android remote app for my phone, works pretty good. Easier to navigate internet radio stations with my phone over the remote control.


I have noticed a vast improvement in sound presentation over my older Yamaha HTR6030. Watching Dancing with the Stars last night, I noticed a much better phantom center image, the vocals of the hosts was much clearer and less hollow sounding. The MCACC must have done a lot better job with speaker levels and distances than my manual setup with the Yamaha. The MCACC EQ was also good even though I wish I knew what it adjusted.

I really like having all my HDMI sources run thru the AVR since I don't have to switch inputs on the TV anymore. The HDMI pass-thru is nice for watching Cable TV without having to turn the AVR on too.
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