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post #241 of 314
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Good points, but there are 4 4K sets out and the LG can be had for 12.5K from a trusted source. Not sure what I am going with. Would really like to see the LG 4K but having trouble finding it may area. Whatever I buy, it will be with eyes wide open. Edit
I did see the Sony 4K 84" again yesterday and ran a number of blu-rays on it and though they looked good, they were not 25K good. No longer interested in the Sony 4K, I may just go back to my Sharp Elite 70 and wait a year or two.

That's what I am doing. Except I want the 4K. http://store.sony.com/p/VPL-VW1000ES/en/p/VPLVW1000ES for $5,000 or less smile.gif
post #242 of 314
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That's what I am doing. Except I want the 4K. http://store.sony.com/p/VPL-VW1000ES/en/p/VPLVW1000ES for $5,000 or less

Maybe in 10 years?
post #243 of 314
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View PostMaybe in 10 years?

I think two years max :) I am an optimist!

post #244 of 314
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Originally Posted by wse View Post

I think two years max smile.gif I am an optimist!

I doubt it for the price you suggested.
post #245 of 314
[quote name="millerwill" url="/t/1393347/sony-4k-and-the-rest/240#post_23328101"I doubt it for the price you suggested.[/quote]

Well look at 4K TVs already competition at $1,499 instead of $5,000
post #246 of 314
Unfortunately, not everything comes down in price like we wish it would. If it did, I'd be able to pick up Screaming Eagle for $ 50.00 a bottle.............or a 3 chip DLP for $ 5k !! smile.gif
post #247 of 314
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Originally Posted by Craig Peer View Post

Unfortunately, not everything comes down in price like we wish it would. If it did, I'd be able to pick up Screaming Eagle for $ 50.00 a bottle.............or a 3 chip DLP for $ 5k !! smile.gif

Yes I agree but let see twelve years ago the Pioneer Plasma TV was $20,000 when they exited the business you could buy a Kuro for $4,000 and an other plasma for $1,000 from Vizio.

So unless you are paying for the brand like Levinson then yes I agree the price doesn't go down it goes up but with mass market stuff like Sony it will go down just because other will enter the market and take their market share away! JVC, PANASONICS anyone smile.gif
post #248 of 314
No one else has bought the Sony 84" 4K?
post #249 of 314
I saw the Sony at Best Buy this past weekend. They had a user switchable true 4K source (I guess from a disk based server) and a 1080 BluRay.

The 4K stuff looked OK. Meaning I could tell it was 4K but as we have discussed to death, at this screen size the benefit is nil once you step back to a normal viewing position.

The BluRay upconversion was AWFUL!. All the upconversion did was to enhance the macro blocking. My wife even commented on that and she's the former 6hr VHS queen. To spite my professional background I was even surprised how bad it looked. It was a Bluray player going in HDMI so I don't think it was a setup problem at all.

I'm not impressed and coupled with the uncertainty of a consumer 4K standard, this would be a poor investment IMO. I'm due for a projector upgrade myself and have given the sony 4K projector some thought. But if this is what the 4K upconversion looks like, I'll pass. And like it or not, 4K upconversion of 1080 Bluray is going to be the majority of your sources for some time to come.
post #250 of 314
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Originally Posted by Glimmie View Post

I saw the Sony at Best Buy this past weekend. They had a user switchable true 4K source (I guess from a disk based server) and a 1080 BluRay.The 4K stuff looked OK. Meaning I could tell it was 4K but as we have discussed to death, at this screen size the benefit is nil once you step back to a normal viewing position. The BluRay upconversion was AWFUL!. All the upconversion did was to enhance the macro blocking. My wife even commented on that and she's the former 6hr VHS queen. To spite my professional background I was even surprised how bad it looked. It was a Bluray player going in HDMI so I don't think it was a setup problem at all.

I'm not impressed and coupled with the uncertainty of a consumer 4K standard, this would be a poor investment IMO. I'm due for a projector upgrade myself and have given the sony 4K projector some thought. But if this is what the 4K upconversion looks like, I'll pass. And like it or not, 4K upconversion of 1080 Bluray is going to be the majority of your sources for some time to come.

Agreed 4K on TV Is useless unless you are very close to it! The SONY 4K projector on the other hand on a 10+ feet wide screen now we are talking smile.gif. Once it drops down to earth price wise I am buying one:)
post #251 of 314
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I saw the Sony at Best Buy this past weekend.

That was your problem. Best Buy tends to have awfull demo sets. I'm not sure how they turn the knobs to get the display so crappy.
post #252 of 314
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Originally Posted by tjk3030 View Post

That was your problem. Best Buy tends to have awfull demo sets. I'm not sure how they turn the knobs to get the display so crappy.

Yeah, they probably did have the sharpness turned way up. But I still see something wrong the way it enhanced that macro blocking so much.

Hey, first generation product, there will be problems. Another reason to wait especially at this price point.
post #253 of 314
Anyone have any impressions of the LG 84LM9600 (Ultra HD 4K) set?
post #254 of 314
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Good points, but there are 4 4K sets out and the LG can be had for 12.5K from a trusted source. Not sure what I am going with. Would really like to see the LG 4K but having trouble finding it may area. Whatever I buy, it will be with eyes wide open.

Edit
I did see the Sony 4K 84" again yesterday and ran a number of blu-rays on it and though they looked good, they were not 25K good. No longer interested in the Sony 4K, I may just go back to my Sharp Elite 70 and wait a year or two.

You'd definitely be smart waiting a few years. I'm thinking 3-4 for me. I seriously think the final 4k sets that we will see in the next few years will be somewhat affordable and maybe even some 4k content.... That and the chipsets/connections will be accomadting to the new technology.
post #255 of 314
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Originally Posted by Toymachyne View Post

You'd definitely be smart waiting a few years. I'm thinking 3-4 for me. I seriously think the final 4k sets that we will see in the next few years will be somewhat affordable and maybe even some 4k content.... That and the chipsets/connections will be accomadting to the new technology.

Hopefully sooner than that! But then again may be not:(
post #256 of 314
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

No one else has bought the Sony 84" 4K?



Yup, it's on the way. After too many hours learning what I could about each 84+ 4K display, I went with the Sony. Plan to use it in a media room off to the side of my theatre, mainly for gaming, and my children's Kaleidescape content. I finally got to see some 1080p upscaling and liked what I saw with the Sony. I didn't buy it for the 4K, obviously content challenged at this point, but I do like the slight improvement to 1080p content (to my eyes). I'm not concerned about Sony supporting the display, they will, including a hardware change to accommodate HDMI 2.0 and the UHD spec (assuming these show up in the next several years). Of course I understand that these are just words (and emails), but I'll trust them......for now.



Jim
post #257 of 314
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Anyone have any impressions of the LG 84LM9600 (Ultra HD 4K) set?

Unconfirmed report from another thread
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Originally Posted by Ted99 View Post

Another report from the LG 84" thread: LG has stopped production of the 84" set. Reports that the edge lighting technique is causing banding, that LG is working on a fix for this, and that all extant sets will be retrofitted. So, stopping production until a fix is worked out is the right thing to do. Big contrast to Sony's approach to their OB failure issue.
post #258 of 314
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Yup, it's on the way. After too many hours learning what I could about each 84+ 4K display, I went with the Sony. Plan to use it in a media room off to the side of my theatre, mainly for gaming, and my children's Kaleidescape content. I finally got to see some 1080p upscaling and liked what I saw with the Sony. I didn't buy it for the 4K, obviously content challenged at this point, but I do like the slight improvement to 1080p content (to my eyes). I'm not concerned about Sony supporting the display, they will, including a hardware change to accommodate HDMI 2.0 and the UHD spec (assuming these show up in the next several years). Of course I understand that these are just words (and emails), but I'll trust them......for now.



Jim

You will love this set. You might begin to prefer it over your home theater set. The picture is fantastic. We had people over to watch the Stanley Cup playoffs and they were spell bound with the picture. The brightness and whiteness of the ice in the arena was amazing. I did a brief 3D showing of Avatar, a rock concert on Comcast, some Sony 3D shorts and Spiderman in 4K after the game and I thought they may never want to leave.
post #259 of 314
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

You will love this set. You might begin to prefer it over your home theater set. The picture is fantastic. We had people over to watch the Stanley Cup playoffs and they were spell bound with the picture. The brightness and whiteness of the ice in the arena was amazing. I did a brief 3D showing of Avatar, a rock concert on Comcast, some Sony 3D shorts and Spiderman in 4K after the game and I thought they may never want to leave.



Ha! Sounds like you were doing it right! (I'll have to keep my in-laws away from that display. biggrin.gif)


Jim
post #260 of 314
I just saw this pj at a local integrator. I am building out a new theater and while I have no idea if native 4k is around the corner or not but the neatest trick i saw them do with this thing is go back and forth between 16:9 and 2.35 using just zoom and a masking screen. The idea being that by using the panels to create the image in the proper aspect and zooming to fill screen you can do away with the lens issues.
It was very nice.
Has anyone else done this in a real setting?
I am debating now about putting in 133" or so 2.35 screen with masking to 16:9 (I think thats about 110" 16:9) and having the ease of switching back and forth. The pj was def brighter than my JVC RS1
The picture quality was very impressive.
Does AVS sell these?
Paul
post #261 of 314
Went back to bb for the second time to look at the sonys. The 55" looks good but the 65" they had in the magnolia section looked even better. I could resolve more detail just because it was larger. There was an lg next to it that didn't look good at All when compared, and a zt60 behind me playing life of pi that looked amazing! But the Sony showed more detail. Once they get down to $2500 in the 65" size I am a buyer. Not really interested in the 55".
post #262 of 314
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Originally Posted by b4z View Post

Went back to bb for the second time to look at the sonys. The 55" looks good but the 65" they had in the magnolia section looked even better. I could resolve more detail just because it was larger. There was an lg next to it that didn't look good at All when compared, and a zt60 behind me playing life of pi that looked amazing! But the Sony showed more detail. Once they get down to $2500 in the 65" size I am a buyer. Not really interested in the 55".

Were you looking at 4K material or up-scaled 1080p video on the Sony 65"?
post #263 of 314
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Originally Posted by paulgas View Post

I just saw this pj at a local integrator. I am building out a new theater and while I have no idea if native 4k is around the corner or not but the neatest trick i saw them do with this thing is go back and forth between 16:9 and 2.35 using just zoom and a masking screen. The idea being that by using the panels to create the image in the proper aspect and zooming to fill screen you can do away with the lens issues.
It was very nice.
Has anyone else done this in a real setting?
I am debating now about putting in 133" or so 2.35 screen with masking to 16:9 (I think thats about 110" 16:9) and having the ease of switching back and forth. The pj was def brighter than my JVC RS1
The picture quality was very impressive.
Does AVS sell these?
Paul

Paul

Suggest you post your comments about 4k projectors in the correct forum

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1359018/sony-vpl-vw1000
post #264 of 314
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Originally Posted by dreaux View Post

Were you looking at 4K material or up-scaled 1080p video on the Sony 65"?
It was the same content on both supplied by the Sony server. The 55" gave you a choice of 1080p up scaled or 4k, the 65" was only getting 4k from what I could tell.my next flatscreen will be 65" or 70" I'm done with trying to blend into the room.
I have to say that I don't get a lot of enjoyment of cable supplied content, the quality is just not there. I only enjoy HD when watching blu rays.
Don't really understand the lack of buzz on 4k. Didn't we always trying to improve our audio and video? When did people get complacent?
post #265 of 314
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Originally Posted by b4z View Post

It was the same content on both supplied by the Sony server. The 55" gave you a choice of 1080p up scaled or 4k, the 65" was only getting 4k from what I could tell.my next flatscreen will be 65" or 70" I'm done with trying to blend into the room.
I have to say that I don't get a lot of enjoyment of cable supplied content, the quality is just not there. I only enjoy HD when watching blu rays.
Don't really understand the lack of buzz on 4k. Didn't we always trying to improve our audio and video? When did people get complacent?

Yeah I am puzzled on the lack of buzz on 4K too. I guess because they feel the early adopters are buying too early before the 2nd generation is out with HDMI 2.0. And that the cost is too high. I don't know.
About the best picture I have seen not 4K is the Samsung F8000 series. They are making a 75".
post #266 of 314
I've seen a few of the Sony 4K televisions at Best Buy and agree with the above posts with regard to blu-ray upscaling.. not really impressed. However, the true 4K demo video they had made the difference much clearer. To me, it almost looked like a video game with how "smooth" appearing the picture was.

$5,000 for a 55" and $7,000 for 65" doesn't seem awful to me considering Sony is about the only name in 4K TVs at the moment. A little bit of market competition should go a long way to bringing that price down. Once the 55" gets around $3,000 it will be a done deal for me. Hopefully the content available picks up quite a bit over the next year or two now that the 4K tvs are in stores.

It would also be nice to see the new Playstation and Xbox offer more than just 4K upscaling. So far, I'm not sure I'd prefer that over the usual 1080p resolution but maybe a home setup would yield better results.
post #267 of 314
Well, I just received delivery of my Sony 84", I'll check it out later today.smile.gif



Jim
post #268 of 314
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Well, I just received delivery of my Sony 84", I'll check it out later today.smile.gif



Jim

Congratulations!!
Edited by dreaux - 6/20/13 at 12:54pm
post #269 of 314
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Originally Posted by JlgLaw View Post

Well, I just received delivery of my Sony 84", I'll check it out later today.smile.gif



Jim

Welcome to our thread.

Post any thoughts or ideas you would like to share.

Describe your equipment and how everything is setup

STew
post #270 of 314
The first thing to point out is that apparently the 4K Server that comes with the TV is linked to this specific display. One of the first steps in setting up the display is to "authenticate" the Server and display by going online with both. I guess that rules out sharing the Server with other 4K owners...........

The Experia Tablet they include to control the Server is a nice touch. I'll spend more time with the TV beginning Sunday (we are at Disney for the next two days).



Jim
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