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post #1 of 12
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I have some pretty silly questions about distortion which I already kind of know the answer to...maybe. But I'd still like some response if anyone feels inclined.
I've noticed since I started seriously listening to classical music that some classical music is much more demanding of my sound system. I've noticed that piano and voice, in particular, reach frequencies that cause problems vis-a-vis distortion. What I've noticed is that it often doesn't seem to matter how loud the music is, some frequencies, when reached, will cause distortion, even at low volume levels.
Now I'm listening to music through my apple computer, through a cheap eq (BEHRINGER MINIFBQ FBQ800 graphic equalizer), and through some fairly cheap speakers (Bose Companion 2 Series II Multimedia Speaker System). So the dumb question is: If I buy better speakers will this problem be eliminated?
And the answer I guess is: Yes.
But I'm still not sure what to do. I mean I've researched speakers and I'm still confused about which speakers to buy, how much to spend, and whether or not this problem of occasional piano/vocal distortion can be easily solved by throwing some money at it.
Seems like a dumb and maybe complicated question to me but maybe someone might want to try to respond. In advance, I really appreciate your taking the time. Thanks!
post #2 of 12
What is the source of the music -- SACDs? CDs? MP3s? Internet radio? Classical music quickly reveals the sonic limitations of lossy compression, particularly ones digitized from analog originals. Make sure the problem isn't in the data before you blame your equipment.
post #3 of 12
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Originally Posted by rdclark View Post

What is the source of the music -- SACDs? CDs? MP3s? Internet radio? Classical music quickly reveals the sonic limitations of lossy compression, particularly ones digitized from analog originals. Make sure the problem isn't in the data before you blame your equipment.

Thanks for the response. This is the kind of thing I just didn't think of. Some of this is "AAC Audio Files" - maybe most of it. But it only happens with modern piano and with classical vocal music - and it only happens at certain loud points in the music...If I wasn't a stickler maybe I wouldn't care. But it annoys me.
These are from itunes downloads.
So, if there's distortion even on low volumes of certain frequencies, does that mean that it doesn't have anything to do with the speakers? Could more expensive speakers still fix this?
What conclusion can we draw from the fact that the distortion occurs really even in low volumes at certain loud points in the music? These AAC files are much bigger than mp3/4 and I assume they're supposed to be high quality.
post #4 of 12
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Well, I really have to thank you again. But I'm a bit dismayed at what I'm finding out here. Testing my sound more closely - comparing volumes and comparing speakers to headphones - it seems to me that distortion cannot be eliminated no matter what the speakers.
This is a pretty big rude awakening and disappointment. I'm really sorry now that I spent so much money on itunes.
post #5 of 12
If you want lossless files then you have to go with FLAC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Lossless_Audio_Codec
post #6 of 12
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I just played back a file using quicktime and it didn't have the distortion that it has on itunes. What's going on? This is driving me a bit bonkers.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
OK. Well here's hoping my experience might help others: what I've discovered is that when the "sound check" mode is operating, there is distortion. Unchecking "sound check" got rid of it I think.
post #8 of 12
Interesting. Good catch!
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Well I hope this is a good heads up for Itunes users. I only noticed it with classical music and certain instruments, but unchecking "sound check" makes all the difference. Beware!
post #10 of 12
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post #11 of 12
I use iTunes as the primary source for my hifi system. I've gotten varying results, but usually it's fine. You have to disable anything in iTunes that would process the sound, e.g. Sound Check, Sound Enhancer. I have used the graphic equalizer, and would probably prefer it to an external processor.

Unfortunately computer systems don't give you any indication how they are processing sound. If you get the wrong settings, it is easy to get multiple conversions between 44.1 Khz and 96 KHz. E.g if the system switches processing speed (e.g. because you switch between CD and movie), iTunes will sometimes retain the speed it had at startup, creating a conversion. At times I found restarting iTunes will help the sound.

You may also want to experiment with the Audio/Midi utility. This lets you set speed and format of the output. CDs are recorded as 44.1 KHz. Most DA converters work at some multiple of 48 KHz (typically 96). You can get the conversion from iTunes or your receiver/DA converter, depending upon whether you set the output for the original 44.1 or the speed used by your DA system. You may get different results. I normally run the output at 96 KHz, letting iTunes do the speed conversion.

I also find that an impression of distortion can come from the speakers. I have several I've used in my living room. The best are ADS L500s (from the 1970s). Vienna Acoustics Haydn are close in sound, though a slightly larger speaker would do better. (The Haydns are really surround speakers.) However with Paradigm Studio 20's I get an impression of muddiness. I have no reason to think that the speakers are actually distorting. I suspect it's the hump in upper bass response which shows in various reviews. With the type of classical music i listen to, it's a problem.

I'm using a NAD stereo integrated amp, and a Benchmark DAC-1. These are well-regarded components, but probably the electronics is better than the speakers. I get slightly cleaner results from headphones.
post #12 of 12
As to what speakers to buy, there are a zillion of them. They all sound slightly different. But I'm not convinced that in the long run there's going to be a lot of difference. If you browse the articles here you'll hear of lots of quite reasonable speakers. "multimedia speakers" just aren't up to the task of real listening. You'll need to spend a few hundred dollars on a pair of speakers, I think. Without going out there and listening to a bunch I can't make specific recommendations, but my suspicion is that any speakers that are well regarded by a variety of posters here will work.

My father has a nice pair of Energy C3's, which were a few hundred dollars, though he's actually got a 3.1 system. I think they sound about as good as my speakers, which tend to be in the $1000 per pair range. But I'm not specifically recommending Energy over anything else. Stereophile.com has lots of speaker reviews, and postings here can give you information.

If iTunes is your own source, you might consider professional monitor speakers, most of which are active, i.e. they don't need a separate amplifier or receiver. You can get those at places like Guitar Center. But look carefully at reviews first.

In any case, when you listen to speakers you're going to hear differences, but that won't tell you which is better. Bring along a CD that you know well. Ideally it should be a type of music that you've recently heard live. Otherwise you may want to try listening to it with more expensive speakers than you're looking for, which are reviewed well here and in Stereophile or other online source.
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