Fork of HCFR Started - What's needed? - Page 43

Originally Posted by PeterLewis 

Thanks jkoz,

So you set your color by blue filter? do you trust this method over the Calman software?

Originally Posted by sodaboy581 

I can vouch for this as well.

I had been doing my calibrations with my i1Display Pro using ColorHCFR. I set up everything correctly, even the little advanced check boxes and so on, but I'd still detect the calibration was a little more red than I thought it should be.

I went ahead and purchased CalMAN Basic and started doing calibrations with it. I did both my Asus PA246Q monitor and Sony KDL60EX645. The red push I was getting with ColorHCFR was gone.

So, I agree that there is definitely something up with ColorHCFR and the i1Display Pro's calibration.

I noted this in another thread here: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1444311/official-sony-kdl60ex645-thread/60#post_22852255

Originally Posted by Make73 

Really?
Sadly JohAd is disappeard so there´s no hope that it will be fixed.

Is CalMAN Basic enough, so it does same thing than HCFR or do I need control version?
Does it work with retail version of i1 Display Pro or do I need to give serial of meter or something to get it working?

Originally Posted by jkozlow3 

Personally, I don't think profiling the i1D3 against another meter should be necessary. It's a very accurate meter by itself, as proven by the links posted above.

The reason that calibrations appear too red without profiling the i1D3 (or without adding an adjustment matrix) is because HCFR and/or the Argyll drivers are doing something incorrectly. I say this with confidence, as I've compared a simple greyscale calibration side-by-side with HCFR and Calman using 2 different color temp presets in the service menu of my Panasonic (picture mode and everything else was equal) and the Calman calibration was visibly better. Skin tones were less red and looked more realistic with the Calman calibration as I flipped back and forth. Not night and day better, but definitely noticeable by eye.

It's not profiling that we need - it's different software.

My $.02

Originally Posted by Make73 

You don´t need to do that because you have matrix correction (correction for plasma display type is included in that matrix...thx zoyd ).
Just choose "Display Type : i1D3 Refresh display"
Leave "Spectral sample" empty/none
Load your matrix "Advanced-->XYZ coordinates adjustment matrix-->manually edit XYZ conversion matrix-->Load" and ready to go.
(Sync i1D3 with your TV at IRE30 window by pressing calibrate from sensor configure.)

However if you have not ever used command prompt it´s like this:
cd..
cd..
cd program files (x86)
cd hcfr calibration
cd tools
i1d3ccss
Oh, thanks
There is two different matrixes for i1D3 created with Panasonic plasma against i1Pro meter.
Gonna try those.


Here are all those six matrix correction .mhc files for i1 Display Pro(3) with plasma TV which I found:
Matrix for i1DPro(3) or CM Display with plasma.zip 2k .zip file

Made calibration with "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc" matrix and finally I´m happy to results
Panasonic TX-P55ST50Y calibration.zip 28k .zip file

Some more calibrations when I´ll get new panel under warranty because of burn-in.
Interesting to see how new panel affects to settings.
However that goes till February because Panasonic couldn´t deliver that quicker to Finland and I´ll do some running in before calibration.

Originally Posted by Rob67 

Is there a way to open these mhc files to add the correction tables to CalMAN?

Originally Posted by PeterLewis 

Thanks jkoz,

So you set your color by blue filter? do you trust this method over the Calman software?

Originally Posted by spongebob 

Calman uses the blue filter

bob

Originally Posted by Rob67 

Is there a way to open these mhc files to add the correction tables to CalMAN?

Originally Posted by zoyd 

the matrix correction used in HCFR is different than that used in either CalMAN or CP, HCFR corrects for Y luminance offset between the reference and target meters. So if you use the matrix values generated by HCFR in the other two programs (or vice versa) then will not yield the same measurements.

Originally Posted by Make73 

zoyd,

What is your experience about HCFR 3.x.x, does it measure something wrong, especially red?

Those who paid for matrix delivered with meter, I suppose it´s not created with HCFR

(Like I wrote, I copied that matrix from Argyll database and with that it seems to be very nice, no redish white balance. So I think not gonna pay 150$ for CalMan. Things may be different if I had paid for matrix and white balance looks redish because of i1D3@HCFR measure faults)

btw, Got my 55ST50 set back with new panel week ago (changed under warranty because of burn-in), I´ll drive 200h break-in slides and recalibrating. If someone is interested to see how different panel affects to settings I can post new measurements day after tomorrow.

Originally Posted by realzven 

where is your matrix you choose to calibrate your ST50 ?

Originally Posted by Make73 

I wrote that earlier and it´s quoted few posts back, it´s named "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc".

Originally Posted by spongebob 

Where is the excel spreadsheet in this thread?

thx

bob

Originally Posted by realzven 

this one ? http://www.avsforum.com/attachments/66073

Originally Posted by Make73 

Really?
Sadly JohAd is disappeard so there´s no hope that it will be fixed.

Originally Posted by zoyd 

I made a change in the D3 meter code that has stabilized it quite a bit. Simply setting the baseline integration time to a larger value (1.5 sec which is the default for CM for low light conditions) did the trick. I don't know anything about git and merging in new code etc. so here is a standalone package with the change. I'm new with Visual studio 2010 so let me know if it works, just unzip in an empty directory.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/2621383/HCFR_stableD3.zip

Originally Posted by zoyd 

I made a change in the D3 meter code that has stabilized it quite a bit. Simply setting the baseline integration time to a larger value (1.5 sec which is the default for CM for low light conditions) did the trick.

edit:

Made a proper installation package:

HCFRsetup.exe

Originally Posted by zoyd 

unzip and run ColorHCFR.exe, D3 measurements at 30% on plasma's will be stable. If someone knows how to work with git and wants to submit a change to the archive let me know and I'll send the code changes I made. I think John has to do the final commits though.

Originally Posted by spongebob 

Oh, sorry. Didn't see that it was a complete new install. What D3 problems did it fix? My D3 using the matrix seems fine, even better 20% readings than CM or CP. I guess I can still run both and compare?


bob

Originally Posted by PeterLewis 

@zoyd

Does the colormunki display require this patch since it runs on the i1d3exe? or is fine since it reads slower?

Originally Posted by zoyd 

The D3 w/HCFR was 2-4 dE unstable (mostly red) due to too low adaptive integration time in the 20-40% stimulus range and that's what was fixed. I have also got it working with the i1pro, at least it does on winxp. Can someone test on win7? The change here is in the driver for the i1pro so after installing the following package you have to update the i1pro driver. Use update driver in device manager and navigate to the new installation file c:\Program Files\HCFR Calibration\libusb1\i1pro.inf


HCFRsetup.exe

Originally Posted by vega509 

Thanks zoyd, but no luck here on Win7 64 bit, the i1pro is not available for selection.

Originally Posted by zoyd 

I'll have to get hold of a win7 machine to debug. After you updated the driver can you check driver properties and list the dlls installed like below?