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post #1141 of 3446
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post


btw, I can find from Argyll database .ccmx for Panasonic plasma television but is there any way to use that with HCFR? Convert .ccmx to .ccss or something redface.gif

ccmx is the same as matrix, look in the file and you will see the numbers to plug into hcfr
post #1142 of 3446
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Originally Posted by dml1333 View Post

With the i1D3, you can just plug it in, no special drivers. However, you will want to run the i1D3ccss utility as mentioned here: http://sourceforge.net/p/hcfr/wiki/i1%20Display%203%20&%20colormunki%20display/ to get the display-type calibration files converted and installed.


How do you run this properly?

tried double clicking but can't figure out the command prompt thing

bob
post #1143 of 3446
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Originally Posted by vega509 View Post

you can try to isolate where the fluctuation is sourced by
changing cables
changing inputs
changing blu-ray and dvd players
check the sets user menus and ensure any dynamic contrast, noise, black enhancement etc are off
I'll guess there is some setting on the set that is on and causing the fluctuation you are experiencing.

Thanks for the advice, I'll have to have a play with my PS3 instead of my Panasonic BTT590. I don't think it's a setting issue, as I've turned everything off that I can.
post #1144 of 3446
I think I know what it is. My PS3 is playing the avc-hd version of AVS709 as 24p, where as the BTT is playing it as 60p, and for some reason, it won't let me force it to play at 24p :S
post #1145 of 3446
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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

ccmx is the same as matrix, look in the file and you will see the numbers to plug into hcfr
Math was never my strong point. redface.gif How do you convert exponential notations to numbers? There are 3 of them.
-4.8218e-003
-4.2114e-004
6.6268e-003

edit:
-0.0048218
-0.00042114
0.0066268?

Plugged it in and it's very close to kj's matrix. Using my calibration from my 60ST50 using kj's matrix, my avg dE from 20-100 was 1.42, and it's 1.74 using the matrix above. This is what I plugged in:
Code:
1.0383       -0.015199   -0.012862 
0.030022     0.96707     -0.0048218 
-0.00042114  0.0066268   0.95594

Edited by rahzel - 12/15/12 at 4:59pm
post #1146 of 3446
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

How do you run this properly?
tried double clicking but can't figure out the command prompt thing
bob

You don´t need to do that because you have matrix correction (correction for plasma display type is included in that matrix...thx zoyd wink.gif ).
Just choose "Display Type : i1D3 Refresh display"
Leave "Spectral sample" empty/none
Load your matrix "Advanced-->XYZ coordinates adjustment matrix-->manually edit XYZ conversion matrix-->Load" and ready to go.
(Sync i1D3 with your TV at IRE30 window by pressing calibrate from sensor configure.)

However if you have not ever used command prompt it´s like this:
cd..
cd..
cd program files (x86)
cd hcfr calibration
cd tools
i1d3ccss

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Originally Posted by zoyd View Post

ccmx is the same as matrix, look in the file and you will see the numbers to plug into hcfr

Oh, thanks redface.gif
There is two different matrixes for i1D3 created with Panasonic plasma against i1Pro meter.
Gonna try those.


Here are all those six matrix correction .mhc files for i1 Display Pro(3) with plasma TV which I found:
Matrix for i1DPro(3) or CM Display with plasma.zip 2k .zip file

Made calibration with "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc" matrix and finally I´m happy to results smile.gif
Panasonic TX-P55ST50Y calibration.zip 28k .zip file

Some more calibrations when I´ll get new panel under warranty because of burn-in.
Interesting to see how new panel affects to settings.
However that goes till February because Panasonic couldn´t deliver that quicker to Finland and I´ll do some running in before calibration.

Edited by Make73 - 12/16/12 at 5:19am
post #1147 of 3446
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post

You don´t need to do that because you have matrix correction (correction for plasma display type is included in that matrix...thx zoyd wink.gif ).
Just choose "Display Type : i1D3 Refresh display"
Leave "Spectral sample" empty/none
Load your matrix "Advanced-->XYZ coordinates adjustment matrix-->manually edit XYZ conversion matrix-->Load" and ready to go.
(Sync i1D3 with your TV at IRE30 window by pressing calibrate from sensor configure.)


Are you helping me with my custom D3PRO offsets posted above??

If so, I don't have a clue plus I have no "Z" measures??

thx

bob

edit: deleted per Tom's request
Edited by spongebob - 12/16/12 at 9:24pm
post #1148 of 3446
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post


Here are all those six matrix correction .mhc files for i1 Display Pro(3) with plasma TV which I found:
Matrix for i1DPro(3) or CM Display with plasma.zip 2k .zip file
Made calibration with "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc" matrix and finally I´m happy to results smile.gif
Panasonic TX-P55ST50Y calibration.zip 28k .zip file
Some more calibrations when I´ll get new panel under warranty because of burn-in.
Interesting to see how new panel affects to settings.
However that goes till February because Panasonic couldn´t deliver that quicker to Finland and I´ll do some running in before calibration.
Already had them saved, but thanks for grouping them together and uploading them. Will be useful for i1D3 owners.

Which one did you end up using? The one dated 2012-12-14 or 2012-12-13?
post #1149 of 3446
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Originally Posted by rahzel View Post

Already had them saved, but thanks for grouping them together and uploading them. Will be useful for i1D3 owners.
Which one did you end up using? The one dated 2012-12-14 or 2012-12-13?


So, how do we import them into HCFR?


bob
post #1150 of 3446
Advanced -> XYZ coordinates adjustment matrix -> manually edit XYZ conversion matrix. Click on Load, locate the mhc file of your choice and click Ok. In the top right, you can see a checkbox under 'Parameters' called 'XYZ adjustment'. You can see how the matrix adjusts your measurements by simply checking or un-checking this box.
post #1151 of 3446
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Are you helping me with my custom D3PRO offsets posted above??

Already did couple of times and even saved your matrix to .mhc file wink.gif
Open that "Matrix for i1DPro(3) or CM Display with plasma.zip" file (also uploaded your matrix at post #1134)
There you can find file named "Plasma matrix for i1D3 delivered by Tom Huffman to spongebob.mhc"
That is your matrix with values you posted.
Follow my or rahzel instructions.

rahzel,
I used that which is dated (2012-12-14 18:24:13)
In that .zip it´s named to "Panasonic plasma 1 matrix for i1D3 against i1Pro from Argyll database.mhc"

Here is True Cinema factory defaults measuring which I forgot put to that .zip if someone want to do some comparing with calibrated one:
TX-P55ST50Y True Cinema Panasonic 1 matrix factory defaults.zip 12k .zip file
Edited by Make73 - 12/16/12 at 8:36pm
post #1152 of 3446
Could you guys make a correction matrix based on this:


0.452774 0.303060 0.299566 0.296618 0.296683 0.296700 0.295830 0.296319 0.297023 0.297691 0.297937
0.354590 0.325165 0.325974 0.322322 0.324030 0.324330 0.324183 0.324745 0.325589 0.325493 0.326133
0.022196 0.651951 3.451555 8.878674 17.101594 28.496720 42.865701 60.979649 82.166722 107.004999 134.724583


I'll explain later!

thx

bob
post #1153 of 3446
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Are you helping me with my custom D3PRO offsets...
edit: deleted per Tom's request

So it´s not suitable to share?
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Originally Posted by spongebob View Post

Could you guys make a correction matrix based on this...
bob

You gave values from one gray scale measurement, you think that someone could make matrix from that info?
Edited by Make73 - 12/18/12 at 6:39am
post #1154 of 3446
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post

So it´s not suitable to share?

Apparently not. I had assumed that the corrections were only for my specific meter and really wouldn't mean that much to others, but I have a lot of respect for Tom and will respect his wish.

bob
post #1155 of 3446
Sorry for the long post and multiple questions, any feedback/ help would be greatly appreciated.

I would like to know if the ColorMunki Display requires calibration prior to taking initial and future readings for different calibration sessions. If so how do I do this (30IRE window, 100IRE window, inside of a black DVD case, etc.)

I have an Optoma HD8200 and use display type "refresh" as it is a DLP. I am using the Spectral .ccss file samples and select the Projector (Marantz, HP, Panasonic, Projector Hybrids EDR) from the drop down box. When I click calibrate sensor nothing seems to happen, any verification, etc. I am able to take measurements but I keep thinking that if I did not do something correctly during this initial set-up are the readings I am obtaining correct? I realize that this is a budget meter and have read that it is equivalent to the i1Display Pro with different firmware and the main difference being it takes longer to obtain its readings.

Thus far, is there anything I should be doing differently? I would also like to do my plasma & led but want to get the fundamental basics down before I get into those.

Furthermore, besides the RGB graphs; while taking continuous measures; are the other graphs (luminance, gamma, etc.) viewable in "real-time" while making adjustments so that I can see what effect they have on gamma/ luminance? I have several options available in the projectors user menu for gamma; curve type/ offset and would like to change these values while viewing the gamma & luminance graphs in real-time. Is this possible with this software (ver. 3.0.4.0) or do I have to run a full grayscale 0IRE to 100 IRE to see the results each time I make an adjustment?

The reason I ask this is because my initial reading prior to my calibration session seemed consistent with RGB levels published in professional reviews for this projector; all 3 primaries track relatively linear (blue +15%, green at D6500 +/- 200 and red -10%) and it tracked linear at 2.25 gamma and was almost bang on for the different stimulus points on the luminance graph. Because of the linear tracking of the RGB it was relatively easy to get all 3 primaries to track tight to 6500K with a deltaE of 3 or less from 20IRE to 100IRE. Then I noticed that all of my IRE values were now below the reference luminance line on the graph. I also notice that my gamma changed from a very linear 2.25 to a non-stable avg. gamma of 2.0 to 2.4 at the various stimulus points. If RGB are now equal why is gamma and luminance off?

So I am trying to figure out this calibration thing through trial and error and hoping I can solve this problem. Viewing a graph in real-time would probably make me understand what the changes to the gamma curve type/ offset are doing vs. trail & error and full grayscale measurements each time I make a change.
post #1156 of 3446
Hello, sorry im new to avs forum an i apoligize in advanced if i ask to much. I am wanting to calibrate my tv's and i allready own spyder3tv with the software but ive seen alot of great calibrations done with hcfr, but i dont understand much of it, nor how to use. Does anybody know of a good tutorial on how to use or can anybody explain please, like i said befor i have spyder3 but tv still looks horrible. Also the tv's i wanna calibrate are a lg 42lv400 and a vizio, both 42".

http://m.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-42LV4400-led-tv
post #1157 of 3446
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Originally Posted by pedro3233 View Post

...calibrations done with hcfr, but i dont understand much of it, nor how to use. Does anybody know of a good tutorial on how to use...

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
post #1158 of 3446
Thanks make73. Doesnt seem as complicated as i thought and i will give it a try.
post #1159 of 3446
is there any trick to getting stable readings with the i1D3 at lower ire's with a plasma? Ive had the meter on a 30% window for seriously 5 minutes now, thinking it will eventually stabilize, but it hasn't. Red especially bounces all over the place, ive seen it jump between 97 and 106% pretty frequently. How on earth am i supposed to get an even remotely accurate calibration if it's going to be this way?
post #1160 of 3446
I'd like to know this too, I can't seem to get it stable, even if I leave a 30% pattern up there long enough that it feels like it's gonna burn into my screen. Really wondering if I made the right choice with the i1D3...

Just to confirm, I've tried two different players, both AVS709 and GCD (both sizes of apl and non apl on both disks), contact and non contact, with and without a correction matrix, etc.
Edited by cobhc2010 - 12/28/12 at 5:36pm
post #1161 of 3446
^ you are choosing "refresh display" for display type, right?
post #1162 of 3446
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

^ you are choosing "refresh display" for display type, right?

Yep, as far as I know, I have HCFR set up correctly.
post #1163 of 3446
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

^ you are choosing "refresh display" for display type, right?

yep. I've run out of ideas at this point. I'm gonna give dispcalgui and upsilon mixer a shot later and see if I get similar results. I've tried the plasma spectral samples and all of that, tried non-contact, tried 2 different pattern sources. I also tried connecting it to my HTPC and doing self-readings with the image viewer. You can't see a continuous measure this way, but I ran multiple greyscale measurements, and the results I got indicate that the same thing is happening, as there was some large variance in the lower IRE's when comparing multiple passes against each other. I even changed the i1D3 driver to the Argyll one in the HCFR driver folder without any luck.

I don't think there is anything wrong with my meter. I got great results with the i1profiler on my computer display, and also got great results on my dad's LCD set using HCFR.

On another note, does anyone know what happened to JohnAd? He seems to have completely disappeared. He hasn't even checked the Upsilon Mixer forum in a few months.
Edited by ttnuagmada - 12/28/12 at 9:49pm
post #1164 of 3446
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Originally Posted by ttnuagmada View Post

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Originally Posted by djams View Post

^ you are choosing "refresh display" for display type, right?

yep. I've run out of ideas at this point. I'm gonna give dispcalgui and upsilon mixer a shot later and see if I get similar results. I've tried the plasma spectral samples and all of that, tried non-contact, tried 2 different pattern sources. I also tried connecting it to my HTPC and doing self-readings with the image viewer. You can't see a continuous measure this way, but I ran multiple greyscale measurements, and the results I got indicate that the same thing is happening, as there was some large variance in the lower IRE's when comparing multiple passes against each other. I even changed the i1D3 driver to the Argyll one in the HCFR driver folder without any luck.

I don't think there is anything wrong with my meter. I got great results with the i1profiler on my computer display, and also got great results on my dad's LCD set using HCFR.

On another note, does anyone know what happened to JohnAd? He seems to have completely disappeared. He hasn't even checked the Upsilon Mixer forum in a few months.

I am curious to see how or if you resolve this. I'm thinking of picking up the same meter. What model of display are you having issues with this on?
post #1165 of 3446
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Originally Posted by HD-Master View Post

I am curious to see how or if you resolve this. I'm thinking of picking up the same meter. What model of display are you having issues with this on?

I have a Panasonic ST30.
post #1166 of 3446
Hello,
I would like to make measurements, my ID3 facing the projector with the diffuser in position on.
Unfortunately HCFR refuses to work in this configuration.
Know you a means to reach my purposes?
post #1167 of 3446
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Originally Posted by cobhc2010 View Post

Yep, as far as I know, I have HCFR set up correctly.

Did you sync your i1D3 meter with 30 IRE window by pressing "calibrate" from sensor settings?
post #1168 of 3446
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Originally Posted by Make73 View Post

Did you sync your i1D3 meter with 30 IRE window by pressing "calibrate" from sensor settings?

Yep, tried every damn thing I can think of. Seems unlikely to be a faulty meter unless ttnuagmada and myself have both had bad luck! For the record I have a GT50 that I'm having the issues with.
post #1169 of 3446
Newb here. So, I would be able to use this meter:

http://www.amazon.com/Xrite-EODIS3-i1Display-Pro/dp/B0055MBQOW

With this software, and it is better than the included xrite software?

Thanks!
post #1170 of 3446
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Originally Posted by cobhc2010 View Post

Yep, tried every damn thing I can think of. Seems unlikely to be a faulty meter unless ttnuagmada and myself have both had bad luck! For the record I have a GT50 that I'm having the issues with.
Constant read mode is a bit unstable at 30% and below, but when you do the sweep and check 0-100% in 10 steps, readings are pretty consistent and stable. I just use the constant read mode to do my initial measurements, then do several sweeps to do any touchups.

@Mavinwow, yes.
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