RED 4K 3D laser projector = $10K - Page 5

Originally Posted by Highjinx

Direct scanning for commercial theatres. Chip scanning for HT, safety, market differentation, speckle reduction internally using DNP holo chip or similar.....I'm speculating of course. We'll soon see.

Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS

Of course.
Anyway, hope Direct Scanning Will be used for All.
This because I Found crazy TO put expensive chips inside the machines, where with direct scanning isn't necessary! ! Specially DLP 4k chips when will be out, you must sell your flat to buy one. ....

Originally Posted by Highjinx

......I'm thinking single chip for HT use, modulated polarised laser light(R/G/B) hitting the chip, reflecting off with reduced polarisation, despeckled >lens>screen.

Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS

Yes, understand. ...
But even a single chip DLP 4k will be very expensive!
LCOS and SXRD instead are cheaper, but ,anyway, it's an additional cost, plus doing a chip scanning will influence the device performance by the specs and the limits of the used chip. ...
Direct Scanning, instead could be cheaper and jumps any kind of chip limit specs, whichever chip you'll use! It will be a pure Laser, untied from any actual chip technology
W Direct Scanning!

Wish to add:
IMHO, actual Brands like JVC and SONY, respectively owners of their DiLA and SXRD chips, surely will point in Laser chip scanning, to keep their characterization of their proprietary chips, being this the field of the contest in performance and results. ...
BUT. ...
A Brand like RED, Untied from any chip proprietary technology will BETTER make use and implements a Direct Scanning machine, for a better and pure result

Originally Posted by Highjinx

Good points Highlander_AVS, think you are correct.

The only issue I see with direct scaning is the speckle issue.

Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS

AS FAR AS I KNOW, I read a month ago, that speckle issue was almost defeated and solved ( I didn't find at now the news links. ..as usual when you need something. ..)
Obviously, must be seen an valuated with our individual own eyes.
Anyway, I'm Faithful and Confident with this issue. ..

Originally Posted by coolscan

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Hopefully we will know more about the technical specs in a fortnights time.

Originally Posted by coolscan

You are right that the "speckle issue is almost defeated". What you fail to have noticed is that those reports comes from DLP based Laser projectors.

There are only two Laser projector systems for film projection that have been demonstrated with little or no Speckle issues, and that is the Kodak system, (now bought by IMAX and will be built by Barco for IMAX), and the Barco system.

There are no-one that has demonstrated scanning laser systems for film projection that has a Speckle free image quality that makes it usable for film projection.

Barco will not use the Kodak/IMAX system for their own projectors because Barco want to be able to offer Laser modules for their Series-2 projectors already installed in theatres.
But they might learn some tricks from each other.

So there you have it, its DLP based Laser projectors for film projection that exist and everything else you write is pure speculation. Including you claim of the high price of DLP DMD's.
DLP chips are not the most expensive part of a projector.
And a DLP laser projector use the laser only as a light source.
So a DLP laser projector can be built very much on the same principles as a One Chip LED DLP projector.

As to the RED Laser projector; We still don't know how it produces the image. But if it is a Scanning laser projector; Then it is the first Laser Film projector ever without Speckle issues, which I very much doubt.

When RED "staff" have talked about the projector they have never emphasised the 4K resolution or that it is a laser projector.
What they are "stoked about" is the 3D quality of the projector, which recently by a "slip of the tongue" shows out to be its unique way of producing 3D invented by RED.

Hopefully we will know more about the technical specs in a fortnights time.

Originally Posted by Ericglo

Do you know of any other reviews besides the AVS review of Kodak's laser pj?

Originally Posted by Ohlson

I doubt RED will use direct scanning in their projector. That type of technology has severe limitations when it comes to resolution. 1080p is really stretching direct scanning technology.
The only solution I can imagine is massive parallell use of multiple MEMS devices from a company like Microvision.

Originally Posted by Cinema626

When Red releases a camera that can REALLY do 4k I'll buy into the hype. Why release a consumer grade projector when there isn't a single source for true 4k outside of the very very new sony cameras? As it stands they use false marketing and their products are a nightmare to navigate. The only source capable of resolving true 4k that I have seen with my own eyes is the sony F65.

Originally Posted by deandob

Very interesting, if it has JVC like contrast then it could be a game changer, especially with a price point under $10K.

Originally Posted by blee0120

Sounds like an April Fools joke. This type of projector under $10k? Even tho there are no 4K sources, these things will sell like hot cakes.

Originally Posted by Manni01


There are 4K sources from RED and Canon (I guess you meant consumer sources), and apparently the projector even includes a redray player and HDMI inputs, which is simply incredible at this price point.