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post #121 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

Direct scanning for commercial theatres. Chip scanning for HT, safety, market differentation, speckle reduction internally using DNP holo chip or similar.....I'm speculating of course. We'll soon see.

Of course.
Anyway, hope Direct Scanning Will be used for All.
This because I Found crazy TO put expensive chips inside the machines, where with direct scanning isn't necessary! ! Specially DLP 4k chips when will be out, you must sell your flat to buy one. ....
post #122 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS View Post

Of course.
Anyway, hope Direct Scanning Will be used for All.
This because I Found crazy TO put expensive chips inside the machines, where with direct scanning isn't necessary! ! Specially DLP 4k chips when will be out, you must sell your flat to buy one. ....

......I'm thinking single chip for HT use, modulated polarised laser light(R/G/B) hitting the chip, reflecting off with reduced polarisation, despeckled >lens>screen.
post #123 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

......I'm thinking single chip for HT use, modulated polarised laser light(R/G/B) hitting the chip, reflecting off with reduced polarisation, despeckled >lens>screen.

Yes, understand. ...
But even a single chip DLP 4k will be very expensive!
LCOS and SXRD instead are cheaper, but ,anyway, it's an additional cost, plus doing a chip scanning will influence the device performance by the specs and the limits of the used chip. ...
Direct Scanning, instead could be cheaper and jumps any kind of chip limit specs, whichever chip you'll use! It will be a pure Laser, untied from any actual chip technology
W Direct Scanning!

Wish to add:
IMHO, actual Brands like JVC and SONY, respectively owners of their DiLA and SXRD chips, surely will point in Laser chip scanning, to keep their characterization of their proprietary chips, being this the field of the contest in performance and results. ...
BUT. ...
A Brand like RED, Untied from any chip proprietary technology will BETTER make use and implements a Direct Scanning machine, for a better and pure result
post #124 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS View Post

Yes, understand. ...
But even a single chip DLP 4k will be very expensive!
LCOS and SXRD instead are cheaper, but ,anyway, it's an additional cost, plus doing a chip scanning will influence the device performance by the specs and the limits of the used chip. ...
Direct Scanning, instead could be cheaper and jumps any kind of chip limit specs, whichever chip you'll use! It will be a pure Laser, untied from any actual chip technology
W Direct Scanning!

Wish to add:
IMHO, actual Brands like JVC and SONY, respectively owners of their DiLA and SXRD chips, surely will point in Laser chip scanning, to keep their characterization of their proprietary chips, being this the field of the contest in performance and results. ...
BUT. ...
A Brand like RED, Untied from any chip proprietary technology will BETTER make use and implements a Direct Scanning machine, for a better and pure result

Good points Highlander_AVS, think you are correct.

The only issue I see with direct scaning is the speckle issue.
post #125 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highjinx View Post

Good points Highlander_AVS, think you are correct.

The only issue I see with direct scaning is the speckle issue.

AS FAR AS I KNOW, I read a month ago, that speckle issue was almost defeated and solved ( I didn't find at now the news links. ..as usual when you need something. ..)
Obviously, must be seen an valuated with our individual own eyes.
Anyway, I'm Faithful and Confident with this issue. ..
post #126 of 768
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Originally Posted by Highlander_AVS View Post

AS FAR AS I KNOW, I read a month ago, that speckle issue was almost defeated and solved ( I didn't find at now the news links. ..as usual when you need something. ..)
Obviously, must be seen an valuated with our individual own eyes.
Anyway, I'm Faithful and Confident with this issue. ..

You are right that the "speckle issue is almost defeated". What you fail to have noticed is that those reports comes from DLP based Laser projectors.

There are only two Laser projector systems for film projection that have been demonstrated with little or no Speckle issues, and that is the Kodak system, (now bought by IMAX and will be built by Barco for IMAX), and the Barco system.

There are no-one that has demonstrated scanning laser systems for film projection that has a Speckle free image quality that makes it usable for film projection.

Barco will not use the Kodak/IMAX system for their own projectors because Barco want to be able to offer Laser modules for their Series-2 projectors already installed in theatres.
But they might learn some tricks from each other.

So there you have it, its DLP based Laser projectors for film projection that exist and everything else you write is pure speculation. Including you claim of the high price of DLP DMD's.
DLP chips are not the most expensive part of a projector.
And a DLP laser projector use the laser only as a light source.
So a DLP laser projector can be built very much on the same principles as a One Chip LED DLP projector.

As to the RED Laser projector; We still don't know how it produces the image. But if it is a Scanning laser projector; Then it is the first Laser Film projector ever without Speckle issues, which I very much doubt.

When RED "staff" have talked about the projector they have never emphasised the 4K resolution or that it is a laser projector.
What they are "stoked about" is the 3D quality of the projector, which recently by a "slip of the tongue" shows out to be its unique way of producing 3D invented by RED.

Hopefully we will know more about the technical specs in a fortnights time.
post #127 of 768
hdi3d,

has there system laser driven LCOS expensive though.

http://www.facebook.com/hdi3d

There main site is down for some reason, unless this is the comapny RED bought out to make there projectors.
post #128 of 768
^^^ Wow who designed their projectors..... Tim Burton?
post #129 of 768
I doubt RED is using technology from HDI3D, since they have lousy contrast specs.
post #130 of 768
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

......
Hopefully we will know more about the technical specs in a fortnights time.

Sure it's better to wait !
At now all is almost speculations. ....
post #131 of 768
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

You are right that the "speckle issue is almost defeated". What you fail to have noticed is that those reports comes from DLP based Laser projectors.

There are only two Laser projector systems for film projection that have been demonstrated with little or no Speckle issues, and that is the Kodak system, (now bought by IMAX and will be built by Barco for IMAX), and the Barco system.

There are no-one that has demonstrated scanning laser systems for film projection that has a Speckle free image quality that makes it usable for film projection.

Barco will not use the Kodak/IMAX system for their own projectors because Barco want to be able to offer Laser modules for their Series-2 projectors already installed in theatres.
But they might learn some tricks from each other.

So there you have it, its DLP based Laser projectors for film projection that exist and everything else you write is pure speculation. Including you claim of the high price of DLP DMD's.
DLP chips are not the most expensive part of a projector.
And a DLP laser projector use the laser only as a light source.
So a DLP laser projector can be built very much on the same principles as a One Chip LED DLP projector.

As to the RED Laser projector; We still don't know how it produces the image. But if it is a Scanning laser projector; Then it is the first Laser Film projector ever without Speckle issues, which I very much doubt.

When RED "staff" have talked about the projector they have never emphasised the 4K resolution or that it is a laser projector.
What they are "stoked about" is the 3D quality of the projector, which recently by a "slip of the tongue" shows out to be its unique way of producing 3D invented by RED.

Hopefully we will know more about the technical specs in a fortnights time.

Do you know of any other reviews besides the AVS review of Kodak's laser pj?
post #132 of 768
To anyones knowledge has this DNP chip been utilised for speckle reduction.

http://www.dnp.co.jp/eng/news/1225651_2501.html

post #133 of 768
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Originally Posted by Ericglo View Post

Do you know of any other reviews besides the AVS review of Kodak's laser pj?

No, not really. The AVS report is the most extensive I have seen.

Here are some bits'n pieces;
http://report.mkpe.com/2010/09/will-...ge-everything/
http://report.mkpe.com/2010/11/the-l...r-in-pictures/
Some articles require subscriptions;
http://report.mkpe.com/2011/10/imax-...light-sources/
http://report.mkpe.com/category/proj...manufacturers/

Some more;
http://www.laserfocusworld.com/artic...-displays.html
post #134 of 768
If I am not mistaken, we will learn something about this new Red projector within the next day or two. NAB is starting.
post #135 of 768
I doubt RED will use direct scanning in their projector. That type of technology has severe limitations when it comes to resolution. 1080p is really stretching direct scanning technology.
The only solution I can imagine is massive parallell use of multiple MEMS devices from a company like Microvision.
post #136 of 768
mattias in some hours you will see some nice things!
post #137 of 768
Yes in some hours they will definitely see some nice things.
post #138 of 768
for those who don't actually know:
Who else is thinking this will be GLV?
post #139 of 768
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Originally Posted by Ohlson View Post

I doubt RED will use direct scanning in their projector. That type of technology has severe limitations when it comes to resolution. 1080p is really stretching direct scanning technology.
The only solution I can imagine is massive parallell use of multiple MEMS devices from a company like Microvision.

How else other than MEMS would direct scanning be done these days?
post #140 of 768
post #141 of 768
Red Laser Redray Projector- 4K 2D/3D. 3D up to 120fps
Starts at $10K up to 15' screen. Ships this year.
http://t.co/Npq6rYe0
LL
post #142 of 768
"Simultaneous left/right eye 3D" this is going to be passive 3D done right, I just hope it isn't polarized
post #143 of 768
HDMI and HD-SDI inputs, plus built-in REDray player.
post #144 of 768
Tomorrow it will be in action at NAB. Ridley Scott produced the short LOOM for the show.
LL
post #145 of 768
When Red releases a camera that can REALLY do 4k I'll buy into the hype. Why release a consumer grade projector when there isn't a single source for true 4k outside of the very very new sony cameras? As it stands they use false marketing and their products are a nightmare to navigate. The only source capable of resolving true 4k that I have seen with my own eyes is the sony F65.
post #146 of 768
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Originally Posted by Cinema626 View Post

When Red releases a camera that can REALLY do 4k I'll buy into the hype. Why release a consumer grade projector when there isn't a single source for true 4k outside of the very very new sony cameras? As it stands they use false marketing and their products are a nightmare to navigate. The only source capable of resolving true 4k that I have seen with my own eyes is the sony F65.

Are you kidding? Have you seen GWDT in a 4K Cinema?
It was shot with Red One. The Epic has a 5K sensor and a 6K upgrade was just announced.

This isnt a consumer grade projector, its designed for pros shooting 4K.
post #147 of 768
Very interesting, if it has JVC like contrast then it could be a game changer, especially with a price point under $10K.
post #148 of 768
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Originally Posted by deandob View Post

Very interesting, if it has JVC like contrast then it could be a game changer, especially with a price point under $10K.

Sounds like an April Fools joke. This type of projector under $10k? Even tho there are no 4K sources, these things will sell like hot cakes.
post #149 of 768
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Sounds like an April Fools joke. This type of projector under $10k? Even tho there are no 4K sources, these things will sell like hot cakes.

There are 4K sources from RED and Canon (I guess you meant consumer sources), and apparently the projector even includes a redray player and HDMI inputs, which is simply incredible at this price point.
post #150 of 768
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Originally Posted by Manni01 View Post


There are 4K sources from RED and Canon (I guess you meant consumer sources), and apparently the projector even includes a redray player and HDMI inputs, which is simply incredible at this price point.

Yeah, of course consumer sources. Can't wait to hear some more on this projector
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