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post #151 of 768
Exciting......RED direct sell don't they?
post #152 of 768
I look forward to hearing more about this projector later today. So far we really don't know much. The fact that Red targets a professional market suggests that this isn't junk. But, Red has a kind if cult-like following and it is not always easy to figure out what is reality and what is not.

We have all been talking about lasers and the death of lamps for years. We're almost there.

Does "no calibration" mean that you don't have to calibrate it or that you can't calibrate it?
post #153 of 768
Three things struck me from the graphic above:

Red-Ray player inside projector - not much use to consumers who will likely need a standalone player due to placement issues.

Suitable for up to 15' screen - this either means low lumens as per many other current projectors or if they mean at ~16fL, high lumens. Or maybe they expect super high gain. Or not. Guess we find out later But as usual, lumens is a critical issue for most.

No Calibration. As above, what does this mean. We have always accepted the need to calibrate a display for each room it is used in, so I would be (happily) surprised if it can deliver standards without calibration.

Am so hoping this is the game changer we want it to be...
post #154 of 768
If it seems to good to be true...

I hope I'm 1000% wrong on this one, but we will see soon enough.
post #155 of 768
If it's passive, does that mean we would need the same type of special silver screens as for any other passive 3D projector, re polarization issues?
post #156 of 768
IIRC Dolby3D/Infitec doesn't need a special screen. Though I wonder if dicrhoic filters would work (well) with the high spectral purity of laser.
post #157 of 768
I of course assume under $10,000 means $9,999.99
post #158 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

I of course assume under $10,000 means $9,999.99

Probably or $9,995. If everything is true, its the best deal ever. Everything I can think of that I want in a projector is in this one
post #159 of 768
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

Probably or $9,995. If everything is true, its the best deal ever. Everything I can think of that I want in a projector is in this one

My guess is everything is a large carte so "lenses" will be extra.
post #160 of 768
Could, just like their scarlet camera, to get an actual useful unit, you have to spend WAY more then the base cost.
post #161 of 768
According to someone at the reduser forum, this is a laser projector so no dlp, LCD, LCOS etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_video_projector

If you want more light, you just add more lasers. Seems too good to be true.
post #162 of 768
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Originally Posted by Mark_H View Post

Three things struck me from the graphic above:

Red-Ray player inside projector - not much use to consumers who will likely need a standalone player due to placement issues.

You ingest your content directly into the internal Redray players HDD via SD/CF card or from a PC through the HDMI or HD-SDI connector.
It is possible that the content has to be converted to Redray R3D codec first, but if the internal player has the same specs as the standalone Redray player, it probably convert on the fly. It also convert 1080 to 4K.

The only standalone 4K player to be available this year will be the Redray player, maybe Bluray 4K next year.

I hope RED has thought up some content delivery system. Their Redray system is based mainly on download able content.

It is possible that "non-Redray R3D" content has to be converted first with the Red Cine-X software (free).

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Suitable for up to 15' screen - this either means low lumens as per many other current projectors or if they mean at ~16fL, high lumens. Or maybe they expect super high gain. Or not. Guess we find out later But as usual, lumens is a critical issue for most.

The projector is modular. If you lack lumens for your screen you can add a bigger (more lasers) module.
The projector is meant to be used both for HT screens and bigger cinema screens.
Also the projector head and Redray player module is upgradeable.
And the lens is changeable.

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No Calibration. As above, what does this mean. We have always accepted the need to calibrate a display for each room it is used in, so I would be (happily) surprised if it can deliver standards without calibration.

Am so hoping this is the game changer we want it to be...

Speculating here; It is possible that the Laser units maintain perfect colorimetry by their very nature of function.

Hope someone at NAB "squeeze" Red for some more essential specs, like what type of image chip they use (Lcos,DLP, GLV, Mems) and the their plans for content management/delivery.

post #163 of 768
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post



The projector is modular. If you lack lumens for your screen you can add a bigger (more lasers) module.


So does the size of the unit vary with the lumen output you seek?

Are lasers hard to cool? So does this become very large and/or noisy once you get into high lumen (2000 range) capability?
post #164 of 768
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

According to someone at the reduser forum, this is a laser projector so no dlp, LCD, LCOS etc.

Please don't repeat all the nonsense a lot of people without any knowledge tend to post at the Red forum.

If it is not posted by the Red Team it is in most cases not valid.
Particularly important just after major announcements.
post #165 of 768
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Originally Posted by hifiaudio2 View Post

So does the size of the unit vary with the lumen output you seek?

We don't know yet. The only beta version of the projector is in the Red booth at NAB this moment.
Before anybody can see the projector and give some valid review how the design/build is, and maybe ask Red some prober questions we won't know.

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Are lasers hard to cool? So does this become very large and/or noisy once you get into high lumen (2000 range) capability?

About the same cooling requirements as LED projectors. Need for staying at a certain temperature to get right colorimetry.
Good for liquid cooling.

The projector will run a movie directed by Ridley Scott's son Luke Scott called "Loom", produced by Red in collaboration with Ridley Scott, as a demo at NAB.
(clickable thumbnail)
post #166 of 768
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Originally Posted by Lawguy View Post

According to someone at the reduser forum, this is a laser projector so no dlp, LCD, LCOS etc.

"Laser" does not preclude the use of an imaging chip, you could use lasers as just the illumination source for a more "standard" design (think LED DLP, or "LED" lit LCD TVs). So the fact that it's "laser" doesn't really say much about the actual design other than it uses laser for it's illumination in some way.
post #167 of 768
I am trying to get my best friend to go and check this pj and the Sony pj out. Unfortunately, he has some big animation project that he is working on. I told him if he isn't animating Cylons anymore then it doesn't matter. Hopefully his sister in law will give him some feedback though.
post #168 of 768
First (crappy) pictures (via Twitter).
How is it that an expo full of photographers and no-one seems to ever be able to manage to take pictures with acceptable quality.

This is probably an empty display case. Lens look to be a Red Pro Prime and the lens mount to be a Red PL mount.

It does now 2K 3D as expected, but a reputable Twitter message said; "they are working on doing 4k 3d playback in a couple days off 4k laser projector". Take it as rumour/speculation at best, but would be great.





post #169 of 768
Sounds like folks are getting in line for the first showing. I still wanna see what kinda of glasses everyone will be getting.
post #170 of 768
The Red forum is just rabid !
post #171 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

Sounds like folks are getting in line for the first showing. I still wanna see what kinda of glasses everyone will be getting.

Passive 3D. And if the glasses are not made by Oakley I would be very surprised.
post #172 of 768
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Originally Posted by Cinema626 View Post

When Red releases a camera that can REALLY do 4k I'll buy into the hype. Why release a consumer grade projector when there isn't a single source for true 4k outside of the very very new sony cameras? As it stands they use false marketing and their products are a nightmare to navigate. The only source capable of resolving true 4k that I have seen with my own eyes is the sony F65.

WHAT??? .... are you talking about?
post #173 of 768
Yep I'm aware it's passive 3d. Per some previous comments, is it polarized passive 3d, dolby passive 3d, or something else.
post #174 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

Yep I'm aware it's passive 3d. Per some previous comments, is it polarized passive 3d, dolby passive 3d, or something else.

According to Red, they have a unique self developed 3D system.
post #175 of 768
Interesting, can you provide the links of where you are pulling this info from?
post #176 of 768
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/16/r...aser-hands-on/

Engadget with some first thoughts..
post #177 of 768
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Originally Posted by coolscan View Post

According to Red, they have a unique self developed 3D system.

Hopefully that means they did their own version of what Infitec and Omega make
post #178 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/16/r...aser-hands-on/

Engadget with some first thoughts..

From the article ...
The projection was incredibly sharp on the 24-inch screen, despite the film being displayed with 2K for each eye, rather than the maximum 4K.

24 inch screen? Is that a typo?
post #179 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/16/r...aser-hands-on/

Engadget with some first thoughts..

From engadget: ".....The projection was incredibly sharp on the 24-inch screen......"

Demo'ed on a 24 inch screen - really? Hopefully Red is doing a demo at NAB on a reasonable size screeen that's measured in feet, not inches.
post #180 of 768
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Originally Posted by TimShadler View Post

http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/16/r...aser-hands-on/

Engadget with some first thoughts..

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...dedicated access panels for the lens filter, the laser phase adjustment oscillator and the angular refraction aberration indexer.

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