RED 4K 3D laser projector = $10K - Page 8

and the picture at the demo is "not" 24" big

We should be proud!! We accomplished this in only 2 pages, but it took them 12 pages in the Red forum

Have you guys checked out Endgadget today ?
There is an extensive (by Endgadgets standards) article on the REDray 4K Laser projector with lots of pictures and comments from the company's reps, including the promise that a home theater version will be available later this year for less than $10.000,00.
The writer also stated that the image was being displayed on a 24" screen...
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Do you guys know how to post videos on Facebook? lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h03oaRIJ8W0

Engadget corrected the typo.

No specs?
Max. Lumens?

LOL!


The warning printed on the side of the projector;

From The Verge report;


4K 3D for both eyes is quite impressive and much needed for displaying 3D properly.
Must be the first projector to do so?

The article you quoted is 4 years old and with many flaws. The now 2 year old Epic resolves 4k easily with its 5K sensor. We work with Red footage daily and have edited over 20 feature films shot with Red Ones and Epics. Our rental company has provided Red Ones and Epic to over 30 feature films and hundreds of commercials...and we are just a small company. Red cameras have shot hundreds of feature films, including major blockbusters like the upcoming Spiderman, The Hobbit Trilogy, TGWDT, Prometheus just to name a few.
I referenced TGWDT because not only was it shot at 4k, but is was finished in 4k and delivered via DCP to the cinemas in 4k. If you watched in projected digitally from a 4K projector, the difference is clearly visable. I also saw a 35mm print which looked nice, but not as good as the 4k DCP

The Hobbit is being shot in 5K 3D at 48fps...can any other current cinema camera do that?

RED CEO Jim Jannard "now it's real and it's running"

what is the article wrong about? it isn't about epic specifically but about the marketing of resolution in general. And we know how important marketing is in this cut-throat camera industry (i assume you're at HCI or keslow, but didn't something happen at arri burbank with their computers?) The hobbit is ostensibly '5k'. we both know the epic can only resolve to around 4k, and it is slightly less. I have still not seen 4k from their 5k sensor that did not have some aliasing. I did see GWDT at arclight on the christies. maybe with leicas it's possible? I just left sony studios this weekend after watching footage from the f65 and leica summilux-c lenses on state of the art 4k projectors. It is the only true 4k I have ever seen. there is no need to shoot anamorphic anymore even with the 8k sony sensor. I watched as the DIT blew the F65 image up and he pulled stuff out of the shadows and highlights that I have never seen done before in my life. There was 20+ stops available. It was UN. REAL.

Call me old fashioned but even on the new 4k cine projector that I watched the footage on with the colorist still did not handle motion as well as film. 48/60fps is a whole different game but seasoned and stubborn cinematographers still like 24, it's just something we've got to deal with. Though I was amazed at what I saw from sonys new 8k sensor (both greater resolution as well as greater latitude than film and any other '4k' camera i've seen), for some reason I walked out of the lot reminding myself it's still a freakin camcorder. Then again I've never managed to get even 13 stops out of 35.

I know Epson/Seiko was working on a 4k lcos chip about 3 years ago. Sony just dropped a bomb with its vw 1000. Is this projector going to be the big bertha and kill everything else off with this monumental technological breakthrough? Red just killed off the planned obsolecence of their competitors. I wonder if this could bring sbout the demise of some companies

The projector looks BIG... perhaps too big for my hush box...

So we know it exists, now we need data - lumens, contrast ratio, physical size, noise ratings...

Nonsense. No camera has 20 stops to offer for now. The Sony is at 14-15 stops max. And it ain't 8K for sure. Not enough pixels for that. It's a solid 4K though.

I mean... It's just a fact. That is spec. It doesn't resolve 8k. But it is 8k in the sense that red is 5k. I saw the dynamic range with my own eyes in the color suite. There are about 15 stops which could be deemed usable but for kicks we were able to push it more (don't expect to see that in a film, but the information IS there). It can do up to 120 fps in true 4k downsampled from 8k. In the future it will be interesting to see how far they can push the sensor. I suspect approaching 5k.

Yeah, RED hasn't been very good with predictions when it comes to price and availability of their gear.

But don't forget, they basically started at zero and are still a relatively small company. They sure have more experience manufacturing their stuff now than they did when their first camera was announced.

There is a post on the red forum that states "Yes, I was told that it requires a silver screen and that the one used in the demo is a Stewart screen with 2.0 gain."

So looks like a new screen will be needed if you don't have silver one already.

Would be good if they offered an active solution as well for HT for those who don't wish to change their existing screens........................

Or even better with offering spectral filtering, such as Omega. Seems that they could provide filter retrofit options, since they are cool with modular design ethic. I can see Omega or third party providing filters - it would likely be one of the first "mods" to this projector when it comes out if spectral isn't offered as an option. Too many people are not find of silver screens (I'm too happy with my 148" 2.8 HP scope screen)

I really wish that RED would release some specs. I can't believe that no one at NAB has yet asked what kind of imaging technology is being used (why this would be a secret is beyond me). What does "no calibration" mean?

This seems like it was either revealed too early or was revealed just to screw with the market.

I hope that I am wrong but this seems like a case of "all sizzle, no steak."

It does not have to be active; Dolby 3D works without special screen and I really I hoped Red would have moved into that direction, with a few leaps forward of course... I'm quite disappointed about the the silver screen requirement. I bet their 4K 2D looks mind blowing until those of us hyper-allergic to the speckles/screen texture start noticing that. Their NAB demo is said to use a 2.0 gain Stewart Silver 5D which has much much more visible gain layer than my current ST130.

Suggested modular filtering would obviously be super-nice, too.

Using a screen that retains polarization with simultaneous L+R 3D makes engineering sense.

However I guess many can and will use this projector without a silver screen to project plain vanilla laser gamut,4K high frame rate 2D

Initial reports is that image quality is extraordinary, however would be great to have more objective data & reporting (seems a lot of 'fanboy' activity on the red forum).

I don't think you can use filters with lasers. Lasers are very narrow bandwidth, if you filter them there is nothing left. The Dolby type systems relies on two distinct wavelengths for red, green and blue respectively. Since the laser only has one wavelength of each color to begin with you can't filter it and get two like a lamp based system which starts off with a spectrum.

In order for it to work you would need 6 lasers with different wavelengths. That seems very expensive and I don't even know if there are available lasers with the suitable wavelengths.

Active glasses should work though. Especially since it seems to have a very high update rate with 120 fps possible.

That forum is out of control with the hype and spin. It makes the AVS forum look rational in comparison. I didn't think that was possible.

Yes, even beats the apple hype
And there seems to be a few detractors as well. Strange for a pro video company to have such polarised opinions about it in the market.

This projector certainly looks interesting, it has the potential to be groundbreaking, however how much of it is hype is yet to be seen.

So what happens why you try to project 3D with one of these passive systems on a non-silver screen, e.g. a Stewart ST130?

You will get almost complete cross-talk. I.e. it will look more or less like the image without using glasses.

at page number 10 post 188 i have already explain it why it will not work today with laser but other explain it as well.