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post #481 of 768
what happened to this project/ Product?
post #482 of 768
I guess the talk of this being introduced at CEDIA has died down.
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post #483 of 768
Red has a habit of making announcements and then taking MUCH longer than anticipated to deliver...But they usually do deliver.
post #484 of 768
Same here, yeah, bulb replacement sucks but I put maybe 500 hrs a year on one and my coffee-maker draws more power and I'm not loosing any sleep over how much energy/heat I'm wasting. I'd much rather have a 4K pj without LED for half the price. LED/laser have had more than enough time to mature and haven't. Apparently there's a reason UHP lamps have prevailed, they drive revenue (make money) and are simple to use.
post #485 of 768
I'm more concern with PQ of the Red projector than it being bulbless
post #486 of 768
For me PQ (at a given price point) is also paramount.

However, I still hope for LED/Laser (other?) light source because I like the idea of an image that maintains (more or less) constant brightness over its life and that maintains color uniformity as well. Every time I buy a new bulb for any PJ that I've owned it's like a long lost friend returning as I have one of those "so *this* is how good my PJ can look... woooowww" moments. What that means is that as the bulbs age we're not enjoying the projected image promised by the specs of the device or by our first impressions... they get dimmer and duller and colors shift... and it's in a "non-optimal" state of the bulb life that we spend most of our viewing hours!

LED/Laser light source can change all that... and keep providing us with day-one picture quality for a very long time. Hopefully machines can ultimately get smaller too making installation easier.
post #487 of 768
Well, after experiencing the current generation JVC lamp issues and the usual gamma shifting, I'm looking forward to no lamps. I've had enough of being JVC's lamp beta tester to dump mine at a loss and will likely stay away from them going forward. Their 3D leaves a lot to be desired too. I want something that can be calibrated once (or twice) and last several years. Lasers seem to be the technical answer on paper, just need it to be a marketable reality at a reasonable price. 4K with prerequisite quality optics is also a very attractive feature. It needs to have solid PQ of course which means decent black floor and shadow detail. It also needs great 3D too. Put all that into one PJ and you have a big winner. Think Sony 1000 with lasers at under $10K.

It will be nice to get of the PJ upgrade karma wheel. Here's hoping that Red comes through with a killer product.
post #488 of 768
New release approximate for the RED laser projector.

From the RED forum yesterday;
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Originally Posted by Jarred Land
Projector starts rolling out end of the year to some select installations... we have a period of Field FCC testing that takes place before they can be shipped to random people. They should be in the store for normal purchase sometime in the first few months of 2013.


REDRAY as mentioned will be ahead of the projector...

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SO many questions I may burst...

How simply will content creation for REDRAY be provided for? Will RED provide an SDK to software houses creating authoring tools, or just provide a RED application for this process? What degree of interactivity could be supported?
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Originally Posted by Jarred Land
Great question.. and after spending 3 days f***ing around with X264 settings to compress this video and still not even come close to the quality of REDRAY encoding it makes me appreciate RR even more.

There will be a standalone and an RCX integrated solution for encoding to RedRAY format.
post #489 of 768
"Projector starts rolling out end of the year to some select installations... we have a period of Field FCC testing that takes place before they can be shipped to random people. They should be in the store for normal purchase sometime in the first few months of 2013."

To me, this basically means it'll be about a year before we see them.
post #490 of 768
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Originally Posted by stevenjw View Post

Well, after experiencing the current generation JVC lamp issues and the usual gamma shifting, I'm looking forward to no lamps. I've had enough of being JVC's lamp beta tester to dump mine at a loss and will likely stay away from them going forward. Their 3D leaves a lot to be desired too. I want something that can be calibrated once (or twice) and last several years. Lasers seem to be the technical answer on paper, just need it to be a marketable reality at a reasonable price. 4K with prerequisite quality optics is also a very attractive feature. It needs to have solid PQ of course which means decent black floor and shadow detail. It also needs great 3D too. Put all that into one PJ and you have a big winner. Think Sony 1000 with lasers at under $10K.
It will be nice to get of the PJ upgrade karma wheel. Here's hoping that Red comes through with a killer product.

Im glad Im waiting I was very close in picking up a JVC X70 today ( salesman wasnt honest ) but will wait.
post #491 of 768
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Im glad Im waiting I was very close in picking up a JVC X70 today ( salesman wasnt honest ) but will wait.

The X70 is an excellent projector, best projector under $10,000. Don't know how someone could lie about that.
post #492 of 768
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Originally Posted by blee0120 View Post

The X70 is an excellent projector, best projector under $10,000. Don't know how someone could lie about that.

Wow didn't know you were there today, please enlighten us all what exactly was said. It didn't have anything to do with the projector specs it's what he did and how he went about it.
Edited by Franin - 8/30/12 at 9:29am
post #493 of 768
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Originally Posted by Franin View Post

Wow didn't know you were there today, please enlighten us all what exactly was said. It didn't have anything to do with the projector specs it's what he did and how he went about it.

I was responding to you quoting the other guy who never had the X70, then you said you almost picked one up. If you didn't pick it up because of someone who never had the X70 but almost everyone is satisfied with the projector, then you are misinformed. All I said is that the salesman can't lie about it being an excellent projector. Since, you didn't include anything the salesman said, that's my fault for saying its a great projector. Since, you posted on the forum and didn't want a response, you should have included that in your message. Instead of asking why I thought that way and see if you was actually misinformed, you want to get upset and be unreasonable. Its not that important buddy.
post #494 of 768
Now we want to know what that "lie" was all about. biggrin.gif
post #495 of 768
I think Franin is talking about an attitude, some salesmen come across honestly and forthrightly, others can be less than that, slimy, sly & manipulative comes to mind.

I too would walk away from the latter.smile.gif
post #496 of 768
Anybody know if this will support 1080p60 3D signals (3DVision)?
post #497 of 768
Why care about a Red projector? Their Red One camera stinks to high heavens. Panasonic and Viewsonic are coming out with affordable laser-LED projectors. Why care so much about Red's project?
post #498 of 768
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

Why care about a Red projector? Their Red One camera stinks to high heavens. Panasonic and Viewsonic are coming out with affordable laser-LED projectors. Why care so much about Red's project?
Stinks to high heavens, right. rolleyes.gif
post #499 of 768
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

Why care about a Red projector? Their Red One camera stinks to high heavens. Panasonic and Viewsonic are coming out with affordable laser-LED projectors. Why care so much about Red's project?

When you can shoot in RAW.....LMAO....right it's the camera's fault......biggrin.gif
post #500 of 768
The Red One cannot do colors worth beans. If I want to make a black and white movie, I might consider it. Why trust color blind people to build a projector? Will everyone's face come out looking yellow and made of wax just like the camera?
post #501 of 768
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

The Red One cannot do colors worth beans. If I want to make a black and white movie, I might consider it. Why trust color blind people to build a projector? Will everyone's face come out looking yellow and made of wax just like the camera?

Ahhh.. so that is why Prometheus and the clips I have seen from The Hobbit look so horrible.. /s
post #502 of 768
Those weren't shot on the Red One.
post #503 of 768
That's right. Red Epic.
post #504 of 768
I read that RE: Retribution was shot in 3D and in 4K resolution with a Red Epic camera system (replacing a Sony). Does this camera also stink to high heavens (cannot do colors worth beans)???

OT:
Michelle Rodriguez wearing high heels, without a gun and driving a Pruis??? I've got to see it to believe it this weekend.
post #505 of 768
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

The Red One cannot do colors worth beans. If I want to make a black and white movie, I might consider it. Why trust color blind people to build a projector? Will everyone's face come out looking yellow and made of wax just like the camera?


Are you talking specifically about the Red One or Red in general? Sounds kind of like in general as they've changed chips and moved to new models of course....prior to the projector coming out. If you shoot in RAW though wouldn't that be problems with post rather than the camera, or what is the known issue with which part of Red you are referring to? You're not the first person I've read go on about their colors. I have a friend who works in house A/V for a major resort and their equipment building looks like Bexel when you walk in. They had 3 original Reds which are now upgraded to the Epic 5K chips. They shoot a lot of Planet Earth style and fashion / sexy footage for proprietary in house use. I have a sample 40 minutes burned to bluray at 1080P of underwater footage at a major reef. It looks like IMAX Under the Sea quality.

I remember he remarked to me a couple of years ago though that it had taken them some time when they were new with the cameras to learning the ins and outs and how to get the best results from the RAW processing.
Edited by RonF - 9/4/12 at 5:32pm
post #506 of 768
Would you guys mind taking the camera discussion to some other thread?
This one already lost its way once before due to vitriol about cameras.
post #507 of 768
+1
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Originally Posted by JerryW View Post

Would you guys mind taking the camera discussion to some other thread?
This one already lost its way once before due to vitriol about cameras.
post #508 of 768

Whatever deficiencies the Red pj may have when released aren't nearly as important as it simply being released at a competitive price point.  This will be the stimulus for other manufacturers, especially Sony and JVC, to jump into the 4K pj game at similarly competitive prices with hopefully improved pq.

post #509 of 768
End of the year is approaching and we read very little about the promised Red projector. Has it been pushed back? If it were a smartphone, we'd be placing advance orders by now.
post #510 of 768
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Originally Posted by Pete View Post

End of the year is approaching and we read very little about the promised Red projector. Has it been pushed back? If it were a smartphone, we'd be placing advance orders by now.

All I know, the RED community have been praising the new Red Ray Player like its the greatest thing they ever heard. They haven't released any specs to even know its capabilities. Also, I am assuming they all must have 4k displays, because without a 4k display, it doesn't seem that amazing, at least to me it doesn't. New release date on the red ray player or red ray projector.
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