RED 4K 3D laser projector = $10K - Page 24

And here in Japan I have 1000mb/s with no cap for about $45 US.

ya ya rub it in. competition is a good thing!

Well, in Bermuda you have to pay the cable company to rent the cabled connection and then an ISP for your internet service. Our paltry 8mb connection costs us about $200 a month. The fastest connection you can get is 25mbps and that costs close to $400 a month

Of course, there are no digital copyright laws here so it sort of evens out

Lol! I suspect it wont be long before you guys get similar services though.

A lot of curiously interesting material and info I’ve been reading about the 4k Red projector. The more I read, the more intriguing it sounds. Love the idea of laser lighting. Sounds eye dazzling if it works the way they say. Might need some tweaking yet! I’ll wait to read reviews from future buyers before I make a move though.

I so hope this product will arrive, even if the price is higher that the announced price.
4K laser projector with Passive 3D is what i want.
Before there is even one product on the market, they will probably never reach reasonble prices.
Very seldom is technology developed and then hitting the market at a consumer och prosumer price level.

4K is well enough for 100" screens, and probably a bit bigger as well.
Laser is a great way to make sure the "lamp" will last the "lifetime" of the product, you are probably itching to upgrade long before it burns out.
And passive 3D, even if it is only at 2x 1080p on a 4K on a projector, would be enough to deliver great 3D experience. At full 4K, it would be awesome for future releases.

Since (as far as I know) Sony is still to release specs for 4K blurays, I would understand if no one is pushing a product like this on to the market.
Let's hope both the specs and the first 4K laser passive 3D projector lands soon (no matter what price level).

Sony does not set Bluray specs. The Bluray Coalition of which Sony is a member sets the standards. They are away off but might happen later this year. That by no means means that discs meeting the soec will be produced and players made and sold. There is very little demand at this point because there are so few 4K displays in consumers hands and it wil take a long time for 4K to reach sizable market penetration. If you say 4K video to a consumer, the most likely respone will be he already has a retirement plan and it isn't doing well.

Re the Red HT 4k Projector, my opinion is that it will net beoffered for sale this year and my guess is next year either. I have discussed this in the 20K forum and on the reduser forum which of course is not a forum on AVS. Iwould refer you to those discussions. How strongly do I feel at this point, I would take any bet on no 4K HT laser machine from Red this year, not a chance and say 3 or 4 to one no machine the following year either. There wil be a commercial red projector by then but it will be way over $10K.

Mark -

It seems to me that in the case of 4K Ultra HD we have a "chicken and egg" situation. Unlike the introduction of consumer HDTVs a little more than a decade ago, where we had an HD source in the form of broadcast TV at 720p and 1080i, its hard to see 4K being accepted by even many early adopters unless there is a viable 4K source.

Of course a few of us here on the AVS Forum will be exceptions. For example several of us here on AVS, myself included, invested in a HD capable professional grade CRT front projector a full decade before HD broadcasts started in the USA. The MSRP for such projectors in the late 1980's and early 1990's was similar to that of the VW1000 today and if adjusted for inflation they were much more expensive that today's consumer UHD displays/projectors. The only video source in those days was 480i, e..g., from broadcast or laser disc, along with a multi-thousand dollar line doubler just to scale 480i to 480p (I'm aware that there was limited HD programming offered in Japan in the 1990s using the analog HD MUSE system). I have no data to suggest how many such projectors were being sold to consumers annually in the USA two decades ago for use in their home theaters, but it may have only been in the hundreds. That is essentially the parallel to what you have today with your VW1000 or what any owner of a new 4K flat panel UHD TV will have (i.e., very expensive high resolution display with (built-in) upscaling of lower def. video, but no native UHD source). For UHD it appears that a next generation of broadcast digital TV may go that route, perhaps jumping directly to 8K UHD, sometime in the first half of the next decade. As a result it appears to me that for manufacturers to actually begin selling 4K UHD displays/projectors even to the broader early adopter crowd there must be some industry standard-based UHD video source. I don't realistically don't expect to see a standard for a Blu-ray UHD disc before 2014 and production players and movies before 2015. But if the manufacturers were to decide this needs to be a priority, we might perhaps have initial products by the Xmas 2014 holiday season, but this is not likely. Perhaps the PS4 platform may still have a roll for an early UHD roll-out if its hardware is UHD capable and there is an upgrade path via firmware to support playback of of a UHD blu-ray discs, but even Sony cannot currently know if that will be the case since a Blu-ray UHD standard is yet to be developed.
Edited by Ron Jones - 2/28/13 at 9:20am

I was one who had an in excess of 1080p 60 projector probably longer than 10 years ago. These were the used electrohomes the same series as the $40K videkrons but we purchased them for about $3k, retubed them and modified them and going full boat had maybe $15K invested in them. Without the mods they with new tubes might have been around $10K.

At this point, it looks like the coming this summer/fall Sony 4K server solution, which we have no details on, but probably internet down loads, will be our most likely first source of $4K content. The Redray playe should be shipping in April but there is no viable source of consumer content.
Edited by mark haflich - 2/28/13 at 11:25am

Some new information from Sony:

http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/28/4040932/sony-4k-movie-service-will-work-with-ps4-require-100gb-plus-downloads

• PS4 will include a 4K video download service.
• Files will be in the neighborhood of 100GB.
• They don't seem bullish on a 4K disc format.

I'm in the unusually lucky position of having 1Gbps ISP service, which would take about 15-20 mins to download such a file. If you've got high-end service from your cable company, say 50Mbps, it would take 4-5 hours. 25Mbps would obviously be double that and so on. So basically for most people it would be an overnight wait. Storing these movies locally will be another matter. A 1TB drive will hold 10 movies...

I suspect they may offer lower bitrate versions that would be considerably smaller. iTunes files are currently around 5GB, so a 4K movie at the same compression rates would be 20-25GB?

I've never seen a 4K display in person but if seeing it feels anything like the transition from traditional desktop/mobile displays to "Retina" displays on the iPhone 4 and later, I think it will be well worth wait and storage space.

Not to get sidetracked but those 1080p itunes files nearly always look worse than the 720p versions. They really are bitrate-starved to the point of reducing 1080p to a meaningless marketing checkbox. I don't know what will be appropriate for 4K with h.265 encoding, but if Sony follows Apple's example it will be worthless.

Worthless is too optomistic a word. It will kill the desire for 4K. Sony recognizes that 4K will have to offer more than 4K pixels to generate consumer desire. A much wider colorspace and longer bit lengths will be required and Sony has pushed for this in its input into the perhaps coming 4K or 4HD Bluray standard.
Edited by mark haflich - 3/1/13 at 8:47am

Asked about the potential for 4K on Blu-ray discs, he noted that "there has been some progress" on a new industry standard, "but there's no conclusion, and I have to let that forum do their work."

Sony Electronics President and COO Phil Molyneux.

:)

You must live in Kansas City

No, San Francisco Bay Area.

Cool, didn't know they offered 1gig ISPs there. I assumed you were using Google Fiber.

Officially it was originally only 100Mbps. Last year they told us they were upping it to 200Mbps for no additional charge. Turns out, if you have a fast enough router, it's really 1Gbps, they just don't say so. I'm in a large building, so I believe it's fiber to the curb, and all the wiring inside is gigabit switches and CAT5e/6. It would probably actually be way more expensive for them to install equipment to meter and rate cap individual customers. Yeah, it's pretty cool.

p.s. It's only $35/mo. WHAT.

It is actually the same company - in the SF bay area it is Sonic.net that provides gigabit internet to residential. Google has contracted with Sonic to handle the Kansas City gigabit system too.

Plus, there are a handful of pockets around the country like Chatanooga, TN, Burlington, VT and Lafayette, LA where big telecom's oligopoly strangle-hold has been loosened enough to permit other organizations to offer gigabit to the home. Although the pricing isn't always quite so cheap as google's, it is still within the realm of affordable.

http://stopthecap.com/2011/12/15/independent-gigabit-broadband-for-san-francisco-while-att-struggles-to-provide-u-verse/
http://stopthecap.com/2010/09/17/epbs-1gbps-service-embarrasses-big-telecom-who-are-the-real-innovators/
http://stopthecap.com/2012/11/05/beleaguered-burlington-telecom-making-a-comeback-with-1gbps-broadband-149month/
http://stopthecap.com/2012/04/05/publicly-owned-lus-fiber-launching-gigabit-broadband-for-lafayette-louisiana/

Just my personal opinion, but I see 3D as a major step forward in adding to the dimension of a viewable experience in a movie. Just like surround sound audio is compared to stereo in the audio realm; It only 'adds' to the experience. 3D may be taking off slower than expected, but it will certainly never die. It will only be improved upon. One day soon there will be no need for glasses to enjoy the experience of 3D. I look forward to that day. .
Edited by Steven414 - 3/3/13 at 12:23pm

Why is the above post in this thread?

 

Don't know...  But just guessing, maybe to put the thread back on topic!

 

It's the original post that started the thread.  The last 20+ posts talk about everything except a $10K RED 4K 3D laser projector.

 

Edit:  Looks like Steven414 mixed his comment in with the quote of the original post.

Edited by b curry - 3/3/13 at 8:52am

Only USB 2.0? How much more would USB 3.0 have added to the $1500 price tag?

Was the quoted material about the Red projector? It doesn't existb yet and the quote seemed to be about an existing product I knew not what.

Sorry folks... my previous post wasn't intended to end up here. My mistake. Opps!


Hmmm! Well I tried to delete and move it to it's appropriate place, but no can do. It's stuck here forever...
Edited by Steven414 - 3/3/13 at 12:27pm

Thanks for the post. One less mystery of life to solve.
Edited by mark haflich - 3/3/13 at 3:09pm