Samsung 2012 PNxxE450 Thread - Page 8

When studying the manuals for the Samsung 4 series and 8 series, both created in the spring 2012, March and April, it doesn't look good - Motion JPEG upto 1080 resolutions is supported in the 8 series but not in the 4 series where it is upto 480p only. :/
No idea about whether the later firmwares have changed this or not.

Wow, thank you so much for the explanation. That makes sense now. I wish mine had given me the "resolution" message rather than the generic "file not supported." It's at least good to know what the problem is, even if there is no solution.

I don't really understand why Samsung would make the max resolution for mjepgs 640x480 on a 720p television, given the fact that they already have firmware which will accomodate HD resolution. It would be one thing if they just hadn't developed the firmware yet, but why not put it on the TV if they have it available? Some might suggest it's to try to get people to buy the higher-end models, but I can't imagine that's really a determining factor for too many folks.

Anyway, thanks again!

Oh, one more question. Regarding firmware, do you know whether Samsung numbers firmware releases in reverse numerical order? I only ask because its website has version 1011 posted as the most current version, but my TV already has version 1014 on it. So either Samsung names in reverse order, or their website is not up to date.

Not sure what is your exact model but the newest update on the local Samsung site seems to me released on 29th of January 2013 and is described as:

1. Title
2012 model Firmware for self-upgrade

2. Applicable Model
LCD TV E4 Series
LED TV EH 5300 / ES 5300 Series Below
PDP TV E450 - E530 Series

3. Description
T-MST9DEUC-1023.0


The file location: http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/content/FM/201301/20130129204747628/T-MST9DEUC_1023.0.exe

Not sure what this upgrade would bring along.

Quoting myself just to be sure you wouldn't download the wrong firmware accidentally. Maybe this firmware is for european models only, don't know, but can't see any signs of that other than suspicious letters, 'EU', in parts of the file name.

I think they wouldn't number the firmware upgrades in reverse numerical order.


Since I dont like messing around with my TV I wont apply this upgrade to my TV unless I know there are some new useful features for me or some more ways to calibrate the TV in the menu system, at least not at the moment.

I guess this upgrade is for european models. Although I am not 100% sure. There should be one for US soon I think because the upgrade for EU is just two days old.
Whether it would change anything regarding playing Motion JPEG is not known.

Anyway, don't use this firmware if your TV model starts with the actual PNxx, unless it is confirmed they use the same firmware upgrader file. Everyone beware of that.
I think it is for PSxx models although it is not specified in the file description's 'Applicable Model' section.

That's interesting that your model has that recent of an upgrade available.

Here is the page for my model, and it shows 3 June 2012 as the last time new firmware was released for it.
http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/PN51E450A1FXZA

I realize that the US and European models will be a little different, but I wouldn't think there would be that big of a disparity between firmware updates. I'm beginning to think that the page I just linked to is not up to date, and I'm wondering if there is a different route to the latest firmware than the one I have taken. What path did you take to get to your firmware update?

After looking into this further, I think Samsung may offer updates more often for its higher-end models. Taking the same route I took before (Main Page>Support, etc.), I looked to see what was available for the other models. At the higher levels (beginning with the 7000 series, if I remember right) there were firmware updates from a couple of days ago. Interestingly, these were also the same models which support HD resolution for motion jpegs.

And I reckon that makes sense for Samsung to take better care of the customers who paid more.

I went to the US page for E450 series earlier today already and yes, the latest firmware available there was the 1011.13 issued on 3.06.2012.

Since the major difference between these european and US models is the TV tuner only I think I am pretty sure they fixed there something not related to the tuner only in the latest firmware, so it should be coming to US soon as well. Can be months though judging by the previous updates.

When I was using the Estonian Samsung site earlier today where I browsed to my product, then to 'Support' section -> firmware, there was still the 11 months old firmware there, so I found the new firmware through the main support web address I was directed to (this one is in Estonian) - http://www.samsung.com/ee/support/download/supportDownloadMain.do

When going to the local Samsung's page for my product page again now few minutes back there was this new two days old firmware there too on that page when browsing to support section. So this firmware is that new they are updating the links on the websites still.
There was an update to the european E450 models in the 4th of October 2012 as well (I remember downloading it, but not applying). So no idea about when they bring the upgrade to the US models and no idea what it would fix or make better.
The newest downloads for my model for example are here (firmware is found in the left column called 'Püsivara')- http://www.samsung.com/ee/support/model/PS43E450A1WXBT-downloads

In English, this is UK's download for PS51E450A1W (works for all european plasma E450 - E530 models and LCD 4 series and up to EH/ES 5300 LED's) - http://www.samsung.com/uk/support/model/PS51E450A1WXXU-downloads


There is no description as to what this latest upgrade does to the TV. :/ I am hoping some of the PSxxE450 owners finds this out and posts it here too!! What this upgrade does can be found out in some extent from all the E4 series, ES 5300/EH5300 and below series owners too, LCD, LED or Plasma. You can contact them to find out if the new fix changes the video player behaviour to them.

It won't show any new firmware for your model indeed. I tried it with samsung.com/us/support

It is a good idea to contact the Samsung I think. I hope they answer you. Then the upgades might happen quicker and you can find out more info on the video player capabilities when asking them.

Here's the reply I got from Samsung. (My email to them was sent before you pointed out that the issue was the resolution.)

We appreciate you contacting Samsung Electronics and being a valued customer. We are sorry to hear that you are not able to play all of your videos on this television.

We do have a firmware upgrade that became available on December 20, 2012. If you have already upgraded then we would like to advise you that a new firmware update will be available sometime in the early portion of spring.

I have sent a reply asking where I can get the December 20 upgrade, since it isn't on the product's support page. But I haven't heard back yet. At least it sounds like they do offer regular firmware updates, even though this isn't a high-end model. So maybe one of the updates will boost the max resolution for motion jpegs.

Lets hope so!

They do update the 4 series' firmware as well regularly, yes. Maybe just not that quick and often as the higher end models. For the PSxxE450 there have been at least 3 updates that I know of since the product launch.

When I got home today, I verified that you were correct. I changed the setting on the camera to shoot at lower resolution, and it worked just fine on the TV. Obviously, it's not HD, but it at least confirms what you said. Thanks again!
I'll post back when I hear back from Samsung regarding the latest firmware.

Np. Okay.
It would be interesting to hear back from Samsung, indeed.

I think I'll contact the local Samsung representatives as well to ask them about the latest firmware as to what it actually does to the TV.

My old (2007) Panasonic plasma died last night, so I went to Best Buy and bought the PN43E450 for $380. I saw it in the store and did some research on my phone....a no-brainer at this price.

Congrats, Dave. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine.

I do find the tv a bit DIM so I'm now running gamma+2 ,, brightness up high but not too washed out,contrast100and the color control turned up as much as possible without making skin tones oversaturated but enough so it's not too washed out.i also use the motorola cable box setting that does not crush white or black as much(rgb setting )and has a smooth transition between the grayscale levels.black tone off,hdmi level normal on tv.Trying this way and seeIng how it goes.There is more gamma changes going on this way. Maybe flesh control up a few notches to counteract the washout.
Edited by Vic12345 - 2/12/13 at 6:14pm

Vic12345 be sure the 'cell light' is at the max of 20.

DiamondDave, I bought this TV for a cheap bedroom TV and I was blown away with the quality. Of course it doesn't have all the bells and whistles but I was mostly looking for good picture. I was also looking at a Toshiba 40" 1080P LCD and there was no comparison. The Samsung smoked the Toshiba.

Hi sonyfan remember me ((())

I'm also trying native color space (which raises and adds greens, and others,reduces red) and Also raise fleshtone up to 4 ( raises reds,Orange, yellows and colors with reds).

I agree with foresureman on some of his settings and that when you calibrate with disc it can look dull which looks bad on this tv.The white balance determines mostly what the colors and fleshtones look like but is hard to get right without a meter.

.I've read fleshtone control doesn't help much and auto color space is better Than native but each tv is different and they seem to be helping right now but it could be because I don't have 6500k grayscale.got lots of pop in the yellows and greens,and lots of color saturation.
Edited by Vic12345 - 2/15/13 at 3:50am

I asked the Samsung about the latest firmware updates in PSxx450 and their answer is as follows:



Hello.



This is the answer to previous letter.

We did receive information from technician in Korea in Samsung Head Quarters. But detailed information about of what consists each update is confidential, but they did approve that mainly upgrade consists of bug fixes, and we strongly recommend to update your TV to the newest firmware.

Best Regards.
Samsung Electronic Baltics.

I am considering picking up the 43" E450, and I was wondering one thing. Does anyone that owns this TV use it for gaming, and if so, how does it handle gaming? Any IR/BI issues?

Yeah I used mine for gaming a lot and it faired well. Absolutely no IR and handled fast motion well. The only problem I had was when game mode on the tv was on I couldn't get the picture quality I wanted. so I turned it off, and just tweaked movie mode until I got the quality I wanted.

if using a pc, set resolution to 1024X768 and use the pc/hdmi port
if using an xbox 360 set rgb range to expanded, and also use 1024X768, and click on widescreen

if using a ps3 set rgb range to full, and rename the hdmi 1 port to pc to turn off any post processing.
the only thing you may need to tweak is the contrast and brighness settings, but i personally leave it on entertain(which th tv defaults to whenever it gets native resolution content)
no burn in or lag for the 6 months ive owned to tv.

Just picked up the 43" E450 yesterday. Great picture for the money. I do notice one slight thing. When watching hockey last night, the ice was not perfectly white. I notice some slight color variations on a totally white background. Light touch of pink in some areas. Cause for concern, or will it settle over time? I don't notice any of this during normal viewing. No dead pixels. What I don't want to start doing is playing TV roulette. Reading thru some of the threads here, seems like a common "issue" with plasmas.
Edited by dont24 - 2/22/13 at 9:58am

I think it's the best buy for 43" anything.
My set needed at least 1000 hours
before shadow detail and brightness
reached full potential.

This works great on my E450.

Mode - Movie
Cell Light 20
Brightness 50 daytime / for evening and a dark room 35 to 30
Contrast 100 daytime / 90 to 85 for a dark room
Sharpness 0
Color 52
R/G Tint 50/50
Color Space - Native
Gamma 0 for daytime -2 for a dark room
Dynamic Contrast - off
Black Tone - Darkest
Flesh Tone - 0
Color Tone - Warm1
Size - Screen Fit
Digital Noise Filter - Off

I have to agree. Which is why I made the purchase for our bedroom. I'll try tweaking the settings a bit. I started with some of the settings listed in this thread. My hockey viewing is done on my main TV. Since that's the only time I noticed, I'm not too overly concerned. Contrast 100 daytime / 90 to 85 for a dark room ? Seems on the high side, when breaking in a new set?

I never did any of that break in jive.
You don't need to baby it.
Leave the set on 24/7 for a week to age the phosphors.
use channels with the least solid logo or no logo.

Dont24 hockey looks duller on a plasma.you could reduce red gain in white balance 2 or 3 clicks maximum if the red is really bothering or watch hockey in a cooler temperature setting.
Edited by Vic12345 - 2/22/13 at 5:18pm

Regarding the firmware upgrades -

Mine is at http://www.samsung.com/us/support/owners/product/PN51E450A1FXZA, which gives the minimal description of the upgrade as -


Upgrade File(USB type) (Firmware) (ver.1011.1)

1.This firmware is for TV Models: PN**E450 and PN**E4402 The version is 1011.13. This firmware update will improve the following:
- Makes better picture quality and solves sound noise with ''Auto Volume On''.
- Optimizes picture brightness change on Eco Sensor On.
All OS
Jun 3, 2012
ENGLISH
5.92

I don't suppose anyone has any further details on what "MAKES BETTER PICTURE QUALITY" means?

Thanks,

Pat

I have firmware 1015 here.build date 8/4/12. Not sure if that's 8th day or month.

I thought I read in another thread that changes to adc results settings are one change on different firmwares.im not totally sure though.there is info in the Pnd8000 calibration thread and google.Unless you have an obvious problem with picture quality I doubt you would notice much difference. You trade problems with different settings.There is a bunch of different things that contribute to picture quality..; I have never noticed noise with auto voluMe on but i dont look for it..The Eco sensor should always be off as the tv is already fairly dark.
Edited by Vic12345 - 2/26/13 at 7:37pm