Samsung 2012 PNxxE450 Thread - Page 9

Hi, just signed in to this great forum.
I live in Kenya where the Samsung E450 is not available but we have the E470. I got my 43" E470 5 days ago and used the CNET settings for E450 and am saying coming from Samsung EH4000 26" LED this is day & night, the PQ is just awesome. My question is E450 the same as E470 but different regions? Also here I have DSTv satellite which is SD what are the best pic settings for SD also in daylight

Cell20
Brightness and contrast depend on The cablebox setting rgb( softer) and ycc( more pop)I prefer rgb.
Cont80-100) I use 80-82.your preference as long as whites are not discolored or too bright compared to rest of picture
Bright35-55.i use 37.in dark room turn down until black bars go black then raise it up until you see a Slight glow.youll know it's too bright if a lot of scenes look washed out. On this and all plasma the way ive adjusted there's always a few scenes that look washed out no matter what. If brightness is too dark you got a dark tv.
Sharp30-35
Color47-65.i use 65
Tint middle
Colorspace auto
Gamma0 or -1 for ycc and a higher setting for rgb maybe
Dyn cont off
Black tone off
Fleshtone 0 or -1 hd and +1 or2 sd
Warm2
Noise filter auto cleans up minor fuzzy speckles on some channels
Hdmi Blacklevel normal for softer,low for more pop
Filmode auto


Edited and still trying to figure out best settings
Edited by Vic12345 - 3/29/13 at 9:49pm

Thanks Vic12345,
Something else I need to ask, I have an up converting DVD player connected to the Tv through hdmi but when I play DVDs using it it can't compare to the tv inbuilt player which I use with USB though the tv player makes the video look smooth regardless of the settings, I am planning to get a blu ray player. Will it improve my DVDs better than the up converting player and play my USB files better than the tv player. Here the blu ray players are a bit expensive as they are to the market( being Africa & all :-) so I don't want to waste money if I will not get any difference as blu ray discs are not available I will be playing a lot of USB files on the blu ray player.
Also when I up the sharpness the a lot of artifacts are introduced on the pic. I am a fan of HD Nation and those guys say keep sharpness at 0 and one of them is one of the best calibrators a bit confused there

Thanks Vic12345,
Something else I need to ask, I have an up converting DVD player connected to the Tv through hdmi but when I play DVDs using it it can't compare to the tv inbuilt player which I use with USB though the tv player makes the video look smooth regardless of the settings, I am planning to get a blu ray player. Will it improve my DVDs better than the up converting player and play my USB files better than the tv player. Here the blu ray players are a bit expensive as they are to the market( being Africa & all :-) so I don't want to waste money if I will not get any difference as blu ray discs are not available I will be playing a lot of USB files on the blu ray player.
Also when I up the sharpness the a lot of artifacts are introduced on the pic. I am a fan of HD Nation and those guys say keep sharpness at 0 and one of them is one of the best calibrators a bit confused there

I'm not sure about your first question.I think downconverting is better than upconverting if that means anything here

0 introduces blur to me.if your using noise reduction auto it clears up some channels that have noise but it blurs picture a little so I have sharpness at 40. If noise reduction is off then sharpness is probably better around edit 25-35
Edited by Vic12345 - 3/13/13 at 3:34am

Thanks let me do the changes and see, hope they won't affect my break in period.

I just ordered the PN43F4500AF direct from Sammy site for $419 with free shipping. It appears the only new feature is the Clear Image Panel.

Other than that, I expect it has the same performance as the E450 series. Anyone hear differently?

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN43F4500AFXZA-specs

Having had this tv for two weeks, sometimes am lost for word with the PQ quality. I know it's an entry level plasma but it just awesome. Had some friends over the weekend and I popped Madagascar 3 on the blu ray player using USB and they were lost for words, the clarity was mind blowing considering the file was in avi. I say this with some authority no low or mid level led can match this. Waoh!!!!

Keep us in the loop, I'm thinking about getting the same set.

Well I got it this weekend and played with the settings using some of the ones listed here and I absolutely love the tv. I give it a 9 out of 10 for price point and picture. ** The only downside in pciture I see so far is on watching hockey (see my name) that some warm and cool spots are noticeable on the screen with white background panning back and forth. It's not bad, but if you look for it you can see it with a lighter line developing between the two major zones just slightly offset from the middle of the screen. Normal viewing of movies doesn't show this flaw at all, but it is a little disappointing that it's even there. I'd expect a uniform white balance across the entire screen so I'm not sure what the cause of this would be honestly. I ran the burn-in scrolling image for about 3 hours to see if it was some sort of issue that would get better with break-in but it did not change.

Compared to my 5 year old Samsung plasma, the picture is much better with blacks and I really like the Gamma, Black level and Dynamic Contrast settings in the advanced menu that wasn't available in the older models. I tried several of the user listed settings and some of my own tweaks as well and honestly, any of the settings seem to look great, just some look better for specific viewing material than others. So much better than the LED 1080 picture I had previously.

The clear image panel anti-reflection isn't that noticeable, so it still has the traditional glass-like reflective qualities you'd expect in a plasma display but I watch in fairly dark room with the windows behind the set to I'm not getting bothered by that.

Overall the best features to me are the cell light setting, test pattern screens in-menu, along with access to so many advanced settings (although for someone like me that can be a bad thing because I'll be playing around with them all the time rather than just settling for basic brightness/contrast like my old 50" plasma which still has a great picture imo). None of this is probably new compared to the previous model as I found settings for everything I looked at here in this thread, but it's a great value tv at this price and I am very happy with the purchase.

Another slightly annoying thing was the HDMI slots come in from the side on the back of the tv so close to the edge of the screen that you see them and if you don't pay special attention to hiding them, they just hang off the side and are visible.

If anyone wants me to post menu pictures I can for comparison purposes to previous models.

**edit

I have since investigated this further and have come to learn all about banding. I have never noticed this problem on my other plasma, nor on any of my LCD displays so it's about time I got to enjoy this annoying phenomena. Compared to some other out-of-box sets with banding issues, mine is about a 2 on a 10 scale so I am not going to bother returning it or complaining about it any more. Very minor and would not deter me from recommending this tv to a friend or family.
Edited by HD Hockey Guy - 3/19/13 at 1:03pm

This works for me.

Movie - Mode
Cell Light 20
Sharpness 0
Brightness 50 daytime / 35 to 30 for evening/dark room
Contrast 100 daytime / 90 to 80 for evening/dark room
Color 52
R/G Tint 50/50
Color Space - Native
Gamma 0 for daytime ( -2 for night
Black Tone - Darkest
Dynamic Contrast - off
Flesh Tone - 0
Color Tone - Warm1
Digital Noise Filter - Off

Hi all,

yesterday I bought PN43E450 and I must say i'm super pleased with the picture on the screen. It's perfect. The sound is mediocre as I suspected from the reviews.

But I have one huge complaint. I get the annoying BUZZING when I turn it on. And it continues throughout the movie. I cant hear it through most of the movie but where there are some quiet moments in the movie there is definitly some buzz.

I don't know what to do. Is this a faulty set or is it normal on this sammy? I also have a 7 year old Panasonic plasma and it doesnt produce ANY buzz...

Thank you in advance,
Peter

Hd hockey guy I don't have any warm and cool spots on my ice, and I watch hockey,but I dont look for it and I sit back 12 ft.If it's there it's minor.One of the things I liked most about this set(e450) is how uniform and smooth it looks compared to a lg plasma I had which had different color Blobs on screen.Some people have problems with red pinking( too much red) in some whites, which is corrected by turning contrast down or possibly turn red gain down. But your problem seems like a different one.I have seen some slight warm patches on some white areas in color bar patterns.If it's noticeable and bothering you I would consider returning it until you get one that does not have that problem.As long as you know that you will find problems if you look hard enough on any tv.

suhelp I've read if your at higher elevation it will buzz more(they all buzz at least a little).Return it until you get one that does not buzz much.As long as you know that the other one may have a different problem which may require a return until satisfaction guarantee or whatever the store policy is.
Edited by Vic12345 - 3/20/13 at 5:06am

Yes, I have some pinkish whites in the spots where that banding is happening. I will try toning down the red gain and see if that helps. I have the contrast set to 88 but will see if taking it down to 80 helps. I watched a game last night and the picture quality was superb and I didn't notice it. It seems some poor HD broacasts where the details aren't there exaggerate the issue because the ice detail is not there making the ice more monotonous like a solid color which we know shows banding more.

Thanks for the comments.

Vic12345 thank you. I will return the TV and demand a refund. I'm now looking for another TV (42-46inch). Is there a review on the new samsung plasmas?

Hdhockeyguy lowering the contrast is the better option.if you lower the red gain too much you lose too much color out of it.you could lower the color to 0 so its black and white and see if it shows any color spots/patches on any shows.if It does I would return it.Try it with brighter gamma setting as well too see if it shows the bad colors.

I tried setting the contrast to 80 last night and lowered red gain to 22. Looking pretty good.

Sorry to break it to you guys, but apparently your PNE450 is not a widescreen TV !!

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463804/samsung-pn43e450-wide-screen-or-not

shame on you Randy, fanning flames... :-)

Wide enough for me.

If you have a pvr cablebox where you can pause screen- that has a guide button ( when pushed will show small screen window) you can set the contrast somewhat accurate...You put it on an all white screen like some commercials and pause pvr.Push guide button so you get small all white window.The goal is to make small white window fairly close too the same color tone and brightness as the full screen white .( you don't want too match the full white screen to the small white window). . Keep flicking it back and forth too check if the little white window looks close to same as the full white screen.This will require warm2 setting, lowering the contrast Possibly around 80, then probably lowering blue gain and raising red gain.......this works if your bright whites are too bright like some plasmas have.it will give a dimmer screen.I still get washout on some bright screens.still trying to figure out how fix it.

After trying rgb setting because it does not crush the black as much I think the ycc 4:4:4 may be the better setting.Not as washed out as rgb

You will have to adjust the brightness and, for gamma if it's all over the place lower the cell light a bit.



Edit the small screen white window should look a little brighter than full screen white window.


EDIT

Contrast now 75-85 on mine.

You could try getting a screen that is (with color at 0)average to fairly bright and even brightness (as long as its not to dark)that also has several bright white patches.Then with the bias control adjusting up and down to match the screen to the same color as the bright white patches.Just keep going back and forth with each bias color.



Updated sound settings.sounds good with music.have to have Thick cardboard or something lining the whole back to form speakerbox.
Standard
Balance middle
All the way to the right
5 from far right
7 from far right
2 from far right
3 from far right

I'm using 20 tv sharpness settings ,with cable box sharpness setting 3 out of 5
Edited by Vic12345 - 5/13/13 at 6:18pm

Lion Rider, yes, HD Nation guys are right, I'd never put the sharpness other than 0 for 720p and 1080p videos, for SD (576i) content I like it around 10. Settings higher than that would lose or distort some information in the original material and I dont like that personally at all. If the sharpness around 10 is not good enough the video must be so bad that I wouldn't watch that quality anyway.

Also, I wouldn't use any noise reduction settings which you can turn off.(There is some kinda noise reduction you can't turn off anyway which isn't interfering too much and is very good in Samsung TVs.) They would distort the original material the same way, losing lots of details in some situation, I'd rather watch videos with some blocks and noise/grains in it (lots of details there) than smeared away overprocessed soft fuzziness (for which you'd need more sharpening which leads further away from the original pic).


I use color setting at 48. Higher than that makes some of the colors clip. Can't see how anyone could use over 53. Probably their reds clip a lot.

Overall I don't like the colors on this TV at all.

Thanks CalibEye thought so to.
After having this set for a while i decided to look at the D450 forum.
Found some settings there that really improved the PQ of my set.
I started with Nutdotnet's for HDMI (movies) and Grimmy84 (Dish-Decoder here we don't have cable)
Din't know whether they would match with the E470 but am really surprised. The pq quality was transformed.
I agree CalibEye, the skin tones of this TV are not the best but am working on the settings hope I will achieve something even better.

Nice picture Randy.Youve changed.

Calibeye what's wrong with the colors? Accurate grayscale makes accurate colors but you need meter. you'll drive yourself nuts trying too get it right and youll probably never get it right.you can only move the white balance controls a notch or two IF you see something obvious( the red bias needed to be turned down a few notches on mine to make blacks blacker).Did you crank up color too 65 and then adjust tint too get an overall tint average for various different skin tones on various programs. Turning flesh control down 2 notches might help oversaturated skin color on some shows a bit

The way I'm trying it now
and the key is getting the brightest white patches(watch various shows with color control turned to zero) the right color with the gains,then matching the less bright parts to the brightest ones with bias like I've described in previous post.You should see some Mild pink color in the brightest white patches ( you should not be seeing blue,magenta,bluegreen,yellowgreen or superbright torchlike whites or flat/dull whites.) Contrast has to be turned down so on some screens the brightest whites/patches don't look like a torch compared to rest of screen.I'm using gamma-1 too edit gone back to gamma 0.it works best on mine.




I'm not near tv Now but will get more accurate description the color of brightest whites I Have

Edit the brightest whites/bright white patches on mine are a very very pale pink yellow color temperature( have to be in a pitch black room).You can't completely get rid of the overblown whites on this tv.You would have to put the contrast down to an unwatchable level and use too red/warm of a color temperature.



Edit --too adjust colors write down all Your settings and reset regular tv menu,set contrast to around 75-85( could try it with 100contrast but be sure too turn it back too around 80 for regular tv watching),turn color to zero.all extra settings off, gamma0,brightness around 55 or higher.On a total sunny day at around 12 noon,watch tv until you see the brightest white you can find, pause it,look at something pure white outside like a big white wall,fence( something far away is better)Observe the color on wall surface,then match the bright white on tv to outside white wall with gains.then later in the evening find a screen with average brightness with various bright white patches on it like ive described in previous post then make color of the darker parts the same color as bright white patches with bias control.Repeat this for 4 or 5 days.This is the best way I've found too get colors.you have too take breaks too let your eyes reset/adjust.adjusting gains effects the darks quite a lot, and adjusting bias effects brights but not nearly as much of effect as gains effecting darks.


****If your tv looked like mine when I got it on warm2 setting,knowing what I know now I've got redbias 23,greenbias25,bluebias25,redgain25green gain,23,bluegain20

Contrast 82,bright 60

Edited by Vic12345 - 5/19/13 at 1:22pm