Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol - Page 11

You should have seen that shot in the theater where he steps out the window. Whoa. It must have been truly amazing in IMAX.

My brother in law brought it over, I think it was from Target, not sure - single disc. Yeah, hopefully we'll get the opportunity to meet up at an upcoming meet, maybe RayJr will open his up again, kind of midway between us. Or if you're ever down in the LA area, let me know so we can get together.


Wow, I just assumed this was all gone with green screens and CGI - I might just have to pop for the 3 disc set with the extras just to check that out (I hardly ever watch "extra" content, and just skip to the movie).

+1
I have never understood why so many dislike him because of his religion.
AFAIK, he isn't an axe murderer...

The guy can act and entertain...that's all I care about.

It's not his religion that's the problem. Other famous Scientologists such as John Travolta, Kirstie Alley, Will Smith, etc. don't have the PR image problems that Cruise does. His smug (and entirely wrong-headed) behavior during the Today Show interview really rubbed people the wrong way.


At the end of the day, that's what's important to me as well.

I agree with you. I hate shaky cam films. The Bourne series were totally ruined for me because of the hand held cameras. I know it's to give the effect that you are in the middle of the action. But it shouldn't be used in place of properly positioned cameras to get a great shot.

Man, I bet! This would have been a great movie to see at the IMAX.

Franin, I agree. It was a fantastic track all around.

I am sooo happy to see you guys comment on this. I agree with you guys totally. I am appearing via Skype tomorrow with the film department of a college about the role of cinematography in narrative film. For discussion, I'm using one of my films, Frailty (speaking of axe murderers ), because it is shot in a rather classic manner despite it's non-linear story structure. I certainly use it juxtiposed against the current trends of chaotic cutting and kinetic camera technique (which I call "the epileptic camera operator technique"). Hopefully, it's going out of style. In the mean time we have to endure the current rage to flare anamorphic lenses into oblivion. I noticed there is not much of that, if any, in Ghost Protocol...despite JJ's presence.

Even a shifting AR Blu-ray (which I would have liked nonetheless) couldn't top that. That was really something, the frame opened, and bang, we were 'up in the air' I saw it at the Montreal IMAX, it was amazing, and the sound was earth-shaking too

Not to go completely off-topic here, but I absolutely loved Frailty. Frailty was actually the film I chose to write about for my final paper in one of my cinematography classes when I was in college. I thought it was beautifully shot. Hats off to you, good sir!

Awesome.

I can take screenshots of the regular edition, but I'm going to need some actual timecodes. The closest thing I see to "artifacts" are what I would describe as discolored blotches.



Comparison to High Def Disc News' PNGs of the 3-disc release. Honestly, they're so close they aren't even worth looking at. The biggest difference is caused by the chroma resampler they used, not the encode.

Thanks for the screenshots. The main part I'm seeing the issue with, or what stood out to me at first was the scene where Jeremy Renner is telling his back story to Simon Pegg and Paula Patton. If you could provide a screenshot of the 1:26:56 mark, I would be able to compare it to what I'm seeing. If you have time for a second screenshot, then I would like to see it from the 1:27:06 mark. If possible.

Seeing it in motion from the 1:26:24 mark the grain pattern seems a bit odd to me as well. It isn't fine looking grain but rather more clunky or grouped together, with some strange little blocks appearing randomly. Excuse the lack of correct terminology, I just called it how I saw it

How do I take screenshots? I have an external BD player/recorder but no software.

I don't see anything wrong with the Renner closeups personally, but the cutaways are hazy.



For screenshots: you need a Windows PC. Download the AnyDVD HD trial (to decrypt on-the-fly) and also install MPC-HC (to playback and use the Save Image function). Open 00800.m2ts from the BDMV\\STREAM folder, save images as PNG, upload to ImageShack or another host that doesn't recompress large files.

I think that haziness of the cutaways was intentional. Considering how it was lit (strong edge/backlighting and very little fill in front) and how smoky the room is, I don't see anything wrong with it.

Thanks. I was able to switch between the shots you posted and my BD copy on the same HD monitor. Admittedly so they look pretty similar, in fact i would say that my BD freeze frame looks slightly ever more stable, if I stopped it at the exact same frame. But when in motion, I just see it unstable and it's something I haven't seen in other new theatrical Paramount Blu-ray movies. Now I'm wondering if what I'm seeing is what you referred to as discolored blotches? I'm not 100% familiar with that term though. As to the Jeremy Renner scene, the problem I see it's with his close up but with the grain pattern to his left. Also, someone else noted another scene at BD.com that has a similar grain patter. It's around the 3:18 mark. No screenshot needed, just look to the grain pattern on the wall directly to the right side of the prisoners head as he is walking towards the camera. To me it appears very blocky instead of natural looking grain.

Either way, thank you for your time and help. It just continues to look odd to me for a new release. I really haven't seen it look like this in other new theatrical releases I've purchased.

A different question for the screenshots. When ever I play a BD on my computer, it seems that the video card, I guess, softens the image quite a bit and it ends up looking much softer than what it actually is. Is there a way to disable this noise reduction feature for future reference? If that is what is occuring on my pc.

One more thing lol. In that first screenshot of with Paula Patton, her neckline is smooth. So when that scene is playing for me, the colors seem to be jumping back and fourth. I guess that would be a bit more detailed discription of what I'm seeing. I thought the colors should have stayed more stable and her neckline would have been linear. Just to point out one of the things I saw.

The grain looks fine to me in both cases. The back wall in that prison shot is sort of posterized.

You didn't say whether your video card is AMD, Nvidia, or Intel. I only know AMD: in AMD Vision Engine Control Center, Video tab -> Video Settings and turn off basically anything that isn't deinterlacing. I don't know if the others enable that crap by default like AMD does.

Ok thanks for that. I'll give the disc another view soon enough to see how I take in those things.

As for my video card, it is a very old ATI Radeon Xpress 200. I'm not sure if there is much hope in it. I purchased a new Nvidia video card but my motherboard didn't accept it. It's time for an upgrade on that too. Thanks.

Guys doing screenshots.... if you have the 3-disk version.... load up the end where Cruise and Renner are talking about Hunt's wife. Or load up the part where Hunt is tied to the chair and talking to the arms dealer. All the shadow and dark areas are loaded with chunky blocks of crap.

Just a heads up, the 3-disc set at Best Buy is currently 14.99 with their whole trade and save deal.

Dannng

Yep. I picked it up today along with Conan the Barbarian and Psycho for 4.99. I know Psycho has a crappy transfer but I couldn't resist the price and I highly doubt Universal is going to fix anytime soon. Same with Ghost Protocol, I usually would hold-out until the IMAX release or something but again I think Paramount won't release that for a time and that's even if they do.

Not to throw this thread even further off topic, but can you trade in any eligible DVD towards this and say, Psycho?

Yeah, I think there's a thread elsewhere on these forums. Best Buy does this whole Trade & Save deal about every few months or so. I also picked up the blu set of Justified Season 2 for 14.99. Basically any dvd works as long as it has its original case. So, you could even trade in promo dvds. I think it's actually intended to rip-off "regular" customers but people who are savvy and know how to pay attention walk away with some pretty decent deals. Basically any blu-ray at BB priced at 9.99 is 4.99 with the trade-in.

I went though the whole film again last night, and looked in the all the sections that have been questioned. The closest I came to seeing any blockiness was in the train yard, but I think it was really a blue lens flare. I saw no artifacts in any other scene, including the end, which I paid careful attention to.

3-disk BB exclusive
Room: Dedicated black velvet lined theatre room.
Display: AE7000 480hz 3D PJ
Screen: High Power 2.4 gain 106"
FI set to 2 (out of 3)
Digital Clarity set to 5 (very aggressive)
Viewing distance: 9 feet

As you can see above, I sit close to a fairly large, bright, screen. I also have very aggressive picture settings that could amplify any artifacts - certainly not remove them. Unless there are some bad disks out there, I have to believe this is equipment related.

I have to agree. I have a cheapo, 55" Sony, and I can't spot any artifacting. I have enjoyed watching the flick multiple times trying to find problems though. :-)

Hmmmppphhh!

Well then.... maybe I'll test this with another BD player and see if that does anything.

Which scenes are filmed in IMAX? The only scenes i noticed an increase in detail was the scenes in dubai.

It's crazy how shooting in 70mm gives that much of jump in clairity. Same resolution on bluray, but the 70mm shots are night and day from the 35mm shots. Source, source, source, source, source!