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post #31 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by cacophony777 View Post

Sure, in 1985 the Yugo GV was available for the low low price of $3999. In today's dollar that would be $8424.

Here's a video review of a newer, much higher spec 1988 model for those that aren't familiar:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgG8K86wK2o

My comment was only to try to understand your post with a reference to, at least for me, an unknown speaker.

That said, I do not think that Bose is good value for money and it is very telling that comparing Bose to other speakers in a B&M shop is next to impossible.
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post #32 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

Bose = Reliable
Camry = Reliable

What speakers aren't reliable? My Songtowers are reliable. Does that make them like a Camry?

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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post

Bose = Expensive
Camry = Expensive
(You can have a Mazda6 or a Nissan Altima for cheaper (or more features for the same price and they perform better in all departments of performance than a Camry)

You're just talking about personal preference here. I own a 2011 Altima, and I can tell you from first hand experience that the new Camry is much more comfortable. Handing is about trade offs, and the Altima sacrifices ride comfort to reduce body roll.

I would say the Camry is competent but boring. Bose is not competent.

But this isn't really going anywhere so maybe we should just agree to disagree!
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post #33 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:19am
Bose blows.
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post #34 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:56am
bose sucks. Don't do it. It will be like paying for a Ferrari Enzo and getting a 3 cylinder GEO metro.

i would get something like this

http://www.svsound.com/systems/produ...&category_id=3

with this sub of which you will get a 5% discount when a 5.0 system is purchased i believe.

http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/se...&category_id=6

that and a denon avr 1712. Amazing sound if you though bose sound was good, you will be blown out the water with a system like this in comparison.


this is another system worth looking at

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/enthusiast3.html

Just stay away from Bose.
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post #35 of 219
2/18/12 at 12:01pm
I have a Camry....and Paradigms.

Unlike Bose, the Camry has modern technology in it at least. I'm sure the tech in my Camry has evolved in the past 20 years unlike a well known speaker manufacturer we all hate.

I would compare the Camry more to Polk. Affordable and appeals to the masses.
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post #36 of 219
2/18/12 at 12:06pm
I think my car analogy sums it up the best, lol.
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post #37 of 219
2/18/12 at 12:11pm
on another post, you indicated the speakers you have are ..

Now for the speakers. They are all Axioms. Millenia Ti for the fronts, QS4 for the rears, and EP-125 sub. Centre is Axiom as well

is this still correct .. ??
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post #38 of 219
2/18/12 at 12:16pm
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Originally Posted by Elfather View Post

I think my car analogy sums it up the best, lol.

+1

Good analogy
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post #39 of 219
2/18/12 at 1:11pm
What's with people saying a Camry is like Bose? Toyota is a dam good brand. A Camry is far from overpriced as well. Some bad examples here.
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post #40 of 219
2/18/12 at 1:12pm
http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html
http://www.firstadopter.com/fa/archives/001749.html
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post #41 of 219
2/18/12 at 3:44pm
No by no means even close. Look other places. Bose just has a great marketing department
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post #42 of 219
2/18/12 at 5:42pm
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Originally Posted by cacophony777 View Post

What speakers aren't reliable? My Songtowers are reliable. Does that make them like a Camry?



You're just talking about personal preference here. I own a 2011 Altima, and I can tell you from first hand experience that the new Camry is much more comfortable. Handing is about trade offs, and the Altima sacrifices ride comfort to reduce body roll.

I would say the Camry is competent but boring. Bose is not competent.

But this isn't really going anywhere so maybe we should just agree to disagree!

Ah! Don't bring the new camry into the picture.

Camry had to learn and up their game to match the performance of a Mazda6. The 2011 and before Camry were not competent (at all) in the matter of performance.

Bose = Sells by word of mouth. Gullible folks who don't know what they are missing and recommend it to their friends, relatives and acquaintances because of WAF and the "premium store" service.

Camry = Sells by word of mouth, not because somebody test drove both a Mazda6 and a Camry and decided the Camry was better. Most buy the Camry because their friends, neighbor and relatives found it reliable and offers higher resale values, and the fact that they happened to ride in it and liked the smooth ride.

Mazda6 = buyers buy it because they like it, not because somebody recommended it, and don't really worry about the lower resale value because it is not sold by word of mouth.

Dollar for Dollar, a 2003 and onwards Mazda6 offers more features and performance than a 2011 and earlier Camry.

How do I know?
Because of the last 10 years I have owned 2 Lexuses (or should I say Lexi), 2 Mazdas and an Infiniti G35.

The amount of time my Lexuses have spent in warranty service is at least twice more than my Mazdas combined. People respect me when I drive in and step out of my Lexus, and turn their nose up when I do the same in my Mazda. But the Mazda offered me more fun, more features (including more trunk room), better performance in braking and handling, but lower resale value. As we all know, resale value is based upon perceived market acceptance of a used product, and people just don't want to give up their investment in a Camry and so spread the good word around to keep up their resale value, totally ignorant of the fact that in this market, there are cars that have not only become as reliable as the Camry, but beat them in other departments.

Again, this is my 2 cents, My experience with the products I am talking about, and not what the world thinks about it.
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post #43 of 219
2/18/12 at 5:44pm
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post #44 of 219
2/18/12 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by Elfather View Post

bose sucks. Don't do it. It will be like paying for a Ferrari Enzo and getting a 3 cylinder GEO metro.

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Originally Posted by Elfather View Post

I think my car analogy sums it up the best, lol.

LOL... I like this one
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post #45 of 219
2/18/12 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by sivadselim View Post


You should NOT have posted your picture Siva...

Now everytime I read your name, this will conjur up before my eyes LOL
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post #46 of 219
2/18/12 at 6:09pm
Boss? Maybe the boss of overpriced, inferior sound. Nothing like resonating bass from a plastic enclosure ruining your music.
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post #47 of 219
2/18/12 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by chikoo View Post


Ah! Don't bring the new camry into the picture.

Camry had to learn and up their game to match the performance of a Mazda6. The 2011 and before Camry were not competent (at all) in the matter of performance.

Bose = Sells by word of mouth. Gullible folks who don't know what they are missing and recommend it to their friends, relatives and acquaintances because of WAF and the "premium store" service.

Camry = Sells by word of mouth, not because somebody test drove both a Mazda6 and a Camry and decided the Camry was better. Most buy the Camry because their friends, neighbor and relatives found it reliable and offers higher resale values, and the fact that they happened to ride in it and liked the smooth ride.

Mazda6 = buyers buy it because they like it, not because somebody recommended it, and don't really worry about the lower resale value because it is not sold by word of mouth.

Dollar for Dollar, a 2003 and onwards Mazda6 offers more features and performance than a 2011 and earlier Camry.

How do I know?
Because of the last 10 years I have owned 2 Lexuses (or should I say Lexi), 2 Mazdas and an Infiniti G35.

The amount of time my Lexuses have spent in warranty service is at least twice more than my Mazdas combined. People respect me when I drive in and step out of my Lexus, and turn their nose up when I do the same in my Mazda. But the Mazda offered me more fun, more features (including more trunk room), better performance in braking and handling, but lower resale value. As we all know, resale value is based upon perceived market acceptance of a used product, and people just don't want to give up their investment in a Camry and so spread the good word around to keep up their resale value, totally ignorant of the fact that in this market, there are cars that have not only become as reliable as the Camry, but beat them in other departments.

Again, this is my 2 cents, My experience with the products I am talking about, and not what the world thinks about it.

Did Car and Driver purchase the AVS forum?
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post #48 of 219
2/18/12 at 7:16pm
LOL....I had a feeling I was digressing...
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post #49 of 219
2/18/12 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by TOA cakaroash View Post

Sure the sub is a freaking beast, but thats easy to hide

Beast indeed....
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post #50 of 219
2/18/12 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by coytee View Post

Beast indeed....

Lol, I think the OP would have a heart attack of he comes across a SVS PB13 ultra or a Submersive.
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post #51 of 219
2/18/12 at 7:53pm
people that dont know anything about home theatre or think they know everything about home theatre always say how great Bose is ....i cant stand how people would ever buy a home theatre system from them. if you even try and look up any specs on there systems they dont give you any..no watts,rms,distortion, etc the systems that bose sell are garbage!! a real home theatre system should have a seperate reciever and possibly a external amplifier, not a bluray player with a 20 watt sound board in it powering these little crappy cube speakers
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post #52 of 219
2/18/12 at 8:41pm
Ok I admit I lol'd hard at "sure the sub is a freaking beast"

Which makes me think trolololol
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post #53 of 219
2/18/12 at 9:13pm
Why do I get the feeling that the OP is going to ignore everyone's advice, go back to Best Buy, and buy the Bose?
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post #54 of 219
2/18/12 at 9:22pm
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Originally Posted by dunan View Post

Ok I admit I lol'd hard at "sure the sub is a freaking beast"

Which makes me think trolololol

I smiled at this, but even if it is not a troll, we have to remember that everyone has their own frame of reference. The thread-starter likely has not seen many if any other subs.
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post #55 of 219
2/18/12 at 9:47pm
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Originally Posted by HardBat View Post

Why do I get the feeling that the OP is going to ignore everyone's advice, go back to Best Buy, and buy the Bose?

+1
Bose...Boss...Freaking Beast
I have the feeling there is peer pressure involved too.
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post #56 of 219
2/18/12 at 10:33pm
An example of awesome bose.
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post #57 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:05pm
Bose sounds good or at least decent in their in store setup only because the speakers are right on top of you. Any speaker is going to sound good when the damn speakers are within 3 feet of your ears. Bose also chooses their demo material very carefully. Usually they pick short little clips of lots of ambient sounds and fast moving sounds that appear to give a lot of distinct high frequency detail. The problem is people don't watch movies standing up and 3 feet away from the speakers, or at least most people don't. When you put a Bose system in a good size room and force them to move enough air to get those sound waves at 12 or 15 feet to the listener, the soundstage collapses. You are then forced to crank the volume up to feel that gap, and what you end up getting is a ton of distortion.

Bose speakers basically consist of two very small compact drivers that have no room to create the kind of dispersion you need to create any reasonable depth to the soundstage. The plastic enclosures that Bose uses are both too small and too poorly manufactured to keep resonances from from literally destroying any kind of proper stereo imaging you should get from your front soundstage. In fact that detail you think you are hearing is actually the sound waves vibrating off that cheap plastic that Bose uses.

I would advise that almost any other system is better and for most practical setups will produce a fuller soundstage that will envelope you in a more cohesive top to bottom frequency range.
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post #58 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:11pm
Why you slamming Lexus/Toyota two of the most top rated in customer satisfaction. I love my Toyota Avalon/ Lexus RX 350. Is this a car forum or a speaker thread. I forget. Did the OP ask about Lexus, Mazda or Toyota?
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post #59 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:12pm
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Originally Posted by cjsiv View Post

Did Car and Driver purchase the AVS forum?

Hahaha I was about to say the same thing. There are more posts about cars than speakers on this thread it seems
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post #60 of 219
2/18/12 at 11:41pm
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Originally Posted by Browninggold View Post

Why you slamming Lexus/Toyota two of the most top rated in customer satisfaction. I love my Toyota Avalon/ Lexus RX 350. Is this a car forum or a speaker thread. I forget. Did the OP ask about Lexus, Mazda or Toyota?

Lol, funny how you're complaining about car "discussion" on the thread yet you still went ahead and partook on the same conversation lol. Just saying

But I would agree that comparing Camry with Bose wasn't the best example.
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