Is Bose the Boss? - Page 3

I said that soooo long ago.

I think the proper analogy is that Bose is like a designer jewelry, shoes, etc. they are very overpriced for the quality of the product. You can get much better performance elsewhere. But the marketing and branding sells the product.

Perhaps the only Bose technology that impressed me is room calibration system.

bose= get hosed

If you want your power to go far, look into something efficient that gets loud with little power.

BIC, Klipsch, or Chase Home Theater for example.

Everyone here will be happy you "saw the light", but your budget took a little nose dive that will make towers and a sub a little harder. I would recommend bookshelves and these HTD level 3s

http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers

You can also look at some of the other online speaker companies like Axiom, Aperion, SVS, etc. They almost all offer 30 day money back and free shipping.

Your best quality per dollor right now would be the Boston Acoustics from Vanns.com as I said earlier. Buy 3 VS260s or 2, 260s and the 325 center for a front sound stage and 2, 240s for rears. Add a cheap $100 sub from Parts Express right now. That's close to your budget.

Everyone will say don't skimp on the sub, but I will share my experience. In one room I have a $1200 retail Def Tech Super Cube 1 sub. In the other I have a cheap $80 used Yamaha. They are both the same physical size. I placed the Def Tech by the Yamaha and difference would not be enough for most people to say one is better than the other. The Def Tech was quicker and cleaner, but it didn't go any deeper.

Ok!! So the OP now knows what car NOT to buy and what speakers he shouldn't buy!!! Trust us, you can get so much more for 2K and under. Go with an ID sub from Rythmik or HSU and go from there on the speakers. Is there a shop or store within driving distance you can go and listen to different brands?? Even at 100 or so miles it will be worth your time.

Jeff

Sent you a PM.

ah..like I said, it is my experience with these car brands (relative to each other).
On its own, I love my Lexus(es). But when I compare the money I paid for each brand, it is a different story.

Moral: Bose is expensive for what you get. There are better and lower priced brands that will give you a hell lot of more satisfaction.

I can see Bose running to the patent office to file a claim on speaker design with baffle and enclosure an integral part of the driver

In all of these digression, don't forget my recommendations...well within your budget.

You know that I almost never see?

Members of auto forums using audio analogies to try to equate to the differences in car performance:-)

"Hey Vega26, you just don't get it about my turbo vs. your supercharger. It's like you're using a Bose bass module and I have a Seaton Submersivve. Get it now?"

Less of this on AVS would be a good thing.

I thought the Camry comparison was actually pretty good. The point wasn't that the Camry isn't a quality car, it was that they sell because of friends and family that have the car and people say Ooo and Ahh and go get one for themselves. That mixed with bright and luxurious looking commercials and advertisements make it appealing to people with a chunk of money that think the more something costs the higher the quality. I can name MANY friends and family who have a Bose system and think it's great, but it's because they've never had a surround system and so they have nothing to compare it to. Once they come over and hear mine they're blown away and feel like crap for blowing $1500-$3000 on speakers that should seriously sell at Target or Walmart for $300 or so.

Oh and I got my entire 7.1 system for $1252, it's all about finding the best sales and quality used speakers.

With that $1363, (granted over a 3 month span or so) I got:

2x Energy RC-50 towers
Energy RC-LCR
2x Energy RC-10
2x Energy CR-10
Outlaw LFM-2 subwoofer

I put those with a Pioneer VSX-921 (got for $250) and the total comes out to $1613, and now I've put together a monster system for much cheaper than MSRP or even current prices.

I had a Bose surround system, it was 201s as fronts, a vcs10 as center, and 161s as surrounds. I had a crappy htib Sony 8 inch sub. The vcs10 center was complete crap, sold that all on Craigslist for about 70% of what I bought it new 10 years ago for. For about what I sold that for I got a Bic F12 sub, and Polk cs2 center and Polk monitor 50s. Paired that with a denon1712. You can just immediately tell the difference even before you hook it all up. That is a fairly cheap set up and the quality of components is just so much better. I can only imagine what 2000 could do. The Bose 201s make pretty great surrounds though. And they did last for 10 years and held their value, had no problem finding a buyer.

Just like a Camry....oh shits here I go again..noooo

The Camry/Bose analogy is an insult to Toyota who makes well designed cars that have an excellent performance value (except for their accelerator pedal fiasco). If you want to compare Bose to cars, Chrysler is a more applicable analogy. LOL

lol. chiko my last post wasn't directed to you.

I would still give my money to toyota before i give it to bose

Dipole's for the rears if possible!

Bose is like the McDonald's of speaker vendors, great marketing, lousy substance. I guess there's still lots of ill informed public that buy their little cube speakers with a modest sub woofer that think they are getting a great deal.

Actually Chrysler's are top notch now! The Grand Cherokee is sweet and the new 300 is even sweeter! We just got a new car and the 300 is what I wanted, but the wife wanted a MKX and guess who won

This is an AV enthusiast forum. Right?
How many threads/discussions do we find here discussing the merits, enthusiasm and performance of a Bose system?

Now go to any Automotive enthusiast forum. Find out how many threads are there discussing the joy of owning a Camry, discussing it's features, its advantages, and ways of improving it. None. Zilch.

Like posted above by clutch69, the Bose held their value in the layman's market. Just like a Camry does. A Nissan, Infiniti or a Mazda or for that matter even a BMW does not hold such great resale values.

A Camry is an appliance of a vehicle, and so is a Bose an appliance in the speaker world. There is no joy of ownership, no enthusiasm, no aftermarket support. Just middle of the road features and performance followed with great resale values.

Toyota is making great efforts in removing this "symbolism" and the 2012 Camry is proof of that. It is vastly different in terms of Ride, features, appearance. Waiting for Bose to follow the Camry in it's footsteps and actually make good effort to produce a worthy speaker.

The problem isn't so much that Bose is terrible, but that it's terrible for the price. For $2,000 dollars, you could get a decent receiver and some wicked speakers that would blow Bose away!

If Bose sold their Acoustimass 10 for $200-$300 dollars, I'd have no problem recommending it to someone who has space restrictions or just wants a quick easy to setup surround sound with moderate sound quality. Unfortunately, they sell all their stuff for astronomically, ridiculous prices.

Now that is great enthusiasm. Guess what? Resale values still sucks.

Lexus/Toyota just had the best rated vehicles again....worst rated Dodge/Jeep

Well, if resale value is what this is all about, you should be comparing Bose to Honda

I have no experience with Honda...so don't want to go that way.

I'm with JohnAV on this one. This is the best analogy so far, hands down.

Bose is for people who have more money and no time to research, mix and match.
Bose provides ease of setup and use. That is admirable.

Vanns 5.1 setup all RC speakers starts with RC 70 for L/R $1599 shipped

Just like the original poster, I too am looking for an AV reciever with 5.1 speakers for around $2000. I love Denon so i have decided on the AVR 2312CI for $850. I had a Denon in before when I lived in England and loved the quality, features and sound. The speakers, I am not sure about. One of the mistakes I made in my AV room in England was that I had superior speakers in the front and smaller inferior speakers in the back and I just couldnt get everything to balance properly. My next set of front L/R and rear L/R must all be the same.

I would like the experts in here to give me their comments on the following
Denon AVR-2312CI
2 pairs of Polk Audio TSi 200 (Front/Rear/L/R)
1 Polk Audio CS20 (Front Centre)
1 Polk Audio PSW125 (sub)

On BestBuy, the above comes to $2210 but I am sure they can be found cheaper by shopping around.

Thoughts, Suggestions, Comments?
(By the way, I have a Toyota Rav4)