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post #1351 of 3709
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Originally Posted by SoCal11 View Post

I have the Panny 220 and a Denon AVR-791 with hdmi connections. Do you think it matters to bitstream to the AVR or let the 220 do the processing? The Denon is one of their better units. Thanks for any input.

Use HDMI bitstream any time the AVR is new enough to handle it. I would set the video resolution to 1080p for SD sources. BR will be 1080p or 1080i (concerts, etc) anyway.
post #1352 of 3709
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

Yes they could be causing a problem. That's why I suggested a test cable from Monoprice that is lighter and more flexible. It's very important to reduce strain on any HDMI connection.

I don't really follow how cheap, lighter cables would improve throughput on any sort of wired connection including HDMI, but I do believe I have such a cable at home. Maybe it will be a sufficient test - connecting the 320 directly to my TV with this none Monster cable which is rated high speed - to tell us something.

I do understand about "Hollywood" upping requirements and this perhaps explaining different results on the older player. However, I don't understand why a brand new 2012 player would not have the processing power to handle any such requirements without incident.

Also, Star Wars is not that new a release - September 16, 2011. If anything was added to firmwares of Blu Ray players to handle Star Wars, I would expect the firmware included with a new 2012 player to include any "fixes" applied already to older models.

The whole concept that buggy Java code on the Blu Rays is to blame (which I do understand is an issue on this format) is just the tip of the ice berg of what seems to be an utter mess when it comes to delivering beautiful HD Audio and Video to the masses.

I spoke to the store and they want me to bring the unit in so they can test it... so sounds like swapping at the store for another unit is going to be an uphill battle.
post #1353 of 3709
Thank you slimoli. Your thoughts are well thought out. including the streaming improvement of the Uniphier chip. Will be using the Blu-ray primarily for video playback and less for streaming. Again, thank you!
post #1354 of 3709
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Originally Posted by joeltbay View Post

I don't really follow how cheap, lighter cables would improve throughput on any sort of wired connection including HDMI, but I do believe I have such a cable at home. Maybe it will be a sufficient test - connecting the 320 directly to my TV with this none Monster cable which is rated high speed - to tell us something.

With a digital signal over shorter runs not greater than 20', there is no performance difference, other than solid connections, between "cheap, lighter cables" and "heavy cables".

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I do understand about "Hollywood" upping requirements and this perhaps explaining different results on the older player. However, I don't understand why a brand new 2012 player would not have the processing power to handle any such requirements without incident.

It has nothing to do with processing power. The latest players are required to follow handshake instructions which take time. A series of failed handshakes, not caused by the player, will take more time to process. That extra time can result in what you are reporting.

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The whole concept that buggy Java code on the Blu Rays is to blame (which I do understand is an issue on this format) is just the tip of the ice berg of what seems to be an utter mess when it comes to delivering beautiful HD Audio and Video to the masses.

Isn't it ironic that the very folks that are punishing their valid customers for the actions of pirate vendors, are also making their legitimate product less enjoyable to everyone.

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I spoke to the store and they want me to bring the unit in so they can test it... so sounds like swapping at the store for another unit is going to be an uphill battle.

Be sure to take your problem disk with you. If it plays on another player then I would think that should help you get an exchange.

I won't pester you with any more diagnostic suggestions.
post #1355 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

Which is just the S390 with 3D features, right?

Yop + a time elapsed display on the front panel which is handy.
post #1356 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

Doesn't even tell you how far you are into your movie, such as 1:37?

Quite honestly the front display is worthless ... Even on the 590 and 790. Just hit display on the remote and you get all the info you need on your tv/display
post #1357 of 3709
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Originally Posted by NateDoggg View Post

that puppy is slightly out of my price range. I was more in the price range of the S590, but it wasn't as highly rated as the Panny 220 or 320. I appreciate the info though - I just can't find the S790 for under $250, and my price limit is about $160.

you said you own the 2011 & 2012 Panny's...do you like them? and which models do u own?

The Sony is just as good. Both the Panny and the Sony have their strengths and weaknesses. Can't go wrong with either. A matter of taste. I went with the Panny after all because of faster load times, the CNET review, and slightly better success with WiFi in my own individual case (may not be true for others though. I moved my router closer to get better reception. Probably would have work for the Sony too). But, no subtitle button on the remote, and scrolling in the apps shows a slight delay on the Panny. The Sony is a very competent player in it's own right.
post #1358 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

Doesn't even tell you how far you are into your movie, such as 1:37?

No, not on its non-existent front display. The only indicator on the enclosure is an LED to indicate that it's in the ON state. You can get elapsed time, etc, up on the screen while playing a disc.
post #1359 of 3709
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Originally Posted by idreos View Post

was planning to by a 220 soon but saw the bdt215 at costco is now down to 100!

Are any of you familiar with the 2012 Panasonics that know the major differences between the 220 and the 215?? I am concerned if the 215 and 220 differ on the tyoes of video files they can handle off an sd card.
Thanks for your help!

Buy a 220. The 215 is a 210 with a history of Netflix issues. I don't know about the files question.
post #1360 of 3709
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Quite honestly the front display is worthless ... Even on the 590 and 790. Just hit display on the remote and you get all the info you need on your tv/display

That's true. Never mind.
post #1361 of 3709
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Quite honestly the front display is worthless ... Even on the 590 and 790. Just hit display on the remote and you get all the info you need on your tv/display

Don't make that UNTRUE statement about the Sony S790.

The DISPLAY Button on the S790 is the BEST I have seen
to date. It shows me everything I care to know.
post #1362 of 3709
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

I won't pester you with any more diagnostic suggestions.

No worries! I really appreciate your detailed input, assistance, and depth of knowledge. It's helping me get a handle on a perplexing problem!

I was too busy today to do further testing or go to the store, but I hope to get all that done this weekend. Will update you with the results.
post #1363 of 3709
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


Don't make that UNTRUE statement about the Sony S790.

The DISPLAY Button on the S790 is the BEST I have seen
to date. It shows me everything I care to know.

I think you mis read what I said. The physical display is pretty much worthless however the on-screen display works fine using the display button on the remote.
post #1364 of 3709
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Originally Posted by joeltbay View Post

I was too busy today to do further testing or go to the store, but I hope to get all that done this weekend. Will update you with the results.

Good luck.
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Originally Posted by tenashus1 View Post

Yop + a time elapsed display on the front panel which is handy.

Oh, so the 390 doesn't have the time elapsed display and the 590 does? I don't need the 3D, but I might fork over $40 more to get that display. Seems like highway robbery but what can you do?

Um, anyone speak to the subtitles button? Can you program the 390/590 to toggle subtitles on having chosen your default subtitle or does it progress through all the subtitles on the feature?
post #1366 of 3709
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

No, not on its non-existent front display. The only indicator on the enclosure is an LED to indicate that it's in the ON state. You can get elapsed time, etc, up on the screen while playing a disc.

How easy is it to do this? Is it a configuration thing or can you get it with a single button push?
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Quite honestly the front display is worthless ... Even on the 590 and 790. Just hit display on the remote and you get all the info you need on your tv/display

Ah, OK, I guess I'll get the 390 then. I don't need the 590 enhancements, AFAIK. Thanks.

The real reason I'm returning my Panny 220 and getting a Sony, as I said in my first post here, is the subtitle button. That's obligatory.
post #1367 of 3709
The latest players are required to follow handshake instructions which take time. The Sony is just as good. Both the Panny and the Sony have their strengths and weaknesses.
post #1368 of 3709
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Originally Posted by joeltbay View Post

My understanding is the brains of the 220 and 320 are identical. The 320 adds a sleeker design, the slot drive, and the (in my opinion useless) touch pad remote. But, anything to do with processing the video and sending it out over HDMI is identical (in Canada, the 320 does add DivX support). So I would conclude that if the 220 can't handle Nemesis, the 320 can't either. I have to find my Nemesis DVD this weekend and test it out. Do you remember what time index the problem happened?

Unfortunately, no. It's fairly close to the beginning and at the start of a chapter.
post #1369 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

How easy is it to do this? Is it a configuration thing or can you get it with a single button push?

Ah, OK, I guess I'll get the 390 then. I don't need the 590 enhancements, AFAIK. Thanks.

The real reason I'm returning my Panny 220 and getting a Sony, as I said in my first post here, is the subtitle button. That's obligatory.

I don't know if you are going to experience what I did, but I had the 590 and the 220 side-by-side and the 590 had a noticeably softer picture than the 220. Enough so, that my wife even made a comment on it. We were looking at the same blu-ray, switching back and forth between the players.
post #1370 of 3709
Using Netflix on my 220, there is a slight audio lag. I was watching "The Long Good Friday" (great movie). I turned on the Roku box and resumed playing the movie with no lag. All connections use hdmi cables through the Denon avr 791 receiver. I know many others have posted this problem. Any new tricks to resolve the problem?

Edit: I powered the 220 off when I tested the Roku. When I went back to the 220, the lag was gone... (I am wirelessly streaming by the way).
post #1371 of 3709
I came across an interesting issue with my 220 yesterday:

Until recently I had the color space set to 4:4:4. However, I found out that I could get closer to ideal settings on my Samsung PN64D7000 (brightness, color, tint, set using the free AVSHD 709 DVD) with the player set to 4:2:2. Then yesterday I tried watching a 3D movie and that didn't work at all with 4:2:2. I got a green/yellow pixelated image until I changed back to 4:4:4. It's not something I'll lose sleep over as I can either just change to 4:4:4 whenever I watch 3D or use my PS3 for that, but I wonder if it's a bug or something that's to be expected. Either way, if someone else has issues with 3D it might be an idea to check the color space setting.
post #1372 of 3709
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Originally Posted by MrRoy View Post

I don't know if you are going to experience what I did, but I had the 590 and the 220 side-by-side and the 590 had a noticeably softer picture than the 220. Enough so, that my wife even made a comment on it. We were looking at the same blu-ray, switching back and forth between the players.

Yeah, I've always thought that Panasonic players had sharper video than the Sonys. I've noticed this in past years' players as well. Like you, I think the difference is pretty obvious.
post #1373 of 3709
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Originally Posted by MrRoy View Post

I don't know if you are going to experience what I did, but I had the 590 and the 220 side-by-side and the 590 had a noticeably softer picture than the 220. Enough so, that my wife even made a comment on it. We were looking at the same blu-ray, switching back and forth between the players.

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Originally Posted by LDBetaGuy View Post

Yeah, I've always thought that Panasonic players had sharper video than the Sonys. I've noticed this in past years' players as well. Like you, I think the difference is pretty obvious.

Can anyone speak to this? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. Usually people say that blu-ray players' playback of disks is pretty much the same. Is it a problem? Is the difference significant? Is the Panasonic playback a better experience?
post #1374 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post


Can anyone speak to this? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. Usually people say that blu-ray players' playback if disks is pretty much the same. Is it a problem? Is the difference significant? Is the Panasonic playback a better experience?

I had both players and did not notice this. I turned all the default video enhancements off however. BD looked the same to me.
post #1375 of 3709
I gave up on the BDT-220. The UI is too abominable. Installed the Sony BDP-S790 last night and WOW. Clean UI, fast response times (like the Panny), all the online streaming options I can possibly need. DSD is a nice bonus as well.

In short, if you're not sure about the BDT-220 fitting the bill, give the Sony a shot. I'm super happy with it! (just make sure to turn "BD Mix" off to get the original bitstream instead of 7.1 PCM).
post #1376 of 3709
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Originally Posted by Muse View Post

Can anyone speak to this? It's the first I've heard of such a thing. Usually people say that blu-ray players' playback if disks is pretty much the same. Is it a problem? Is the difference significant? Is the Panasonic playback a better experience?

You're dealing with human perception. It's like herding cats.
post #1377 of 3709
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

I had both players and did not notice this. I turned all the default video enhancements off however. BD looked the same to me.

It may be what each person recognizes as well. I have an eye for it and once noticing the difference, I would not be satisfied what I perceive to be the inferior player.
post #1378 of 3709
I settled with the 220 after all, but I actually thought the 590 had a richer picture.
post #1379 of 3709
This touchpad remote on the 320... At first I thought I had a defective remote. I was expecting some sort of display on the touchpad. Almost ended up calling Panasonic before I realized that it's meant to be like that. LOL. I'll stick to my harmony.
post #1380 of 3709
I just got a panny 3d1 camera. I put in the sd card and it is a breeze to watch the stills and the movies, nice match.
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