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post #2341 of 4172
I watch dvd's more than anything else as most foreign films dont come on bluray. I am unhappy with the ps3 for this job so how good is the panasonic 500 compaired to the sony 790
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Originally Posted by OtherSongs View Post

Is there an AVS forum for streaming media players?
If not, perhaps an AVS thread that you could provide a ref to?

There are a couple of forums that are specifically about streaming media players, being "Video Download Services & Hardware" and "Networking, Media Servers & Content Streamers"; the former is less hardware oriented and more about the services.
post #2343 of 4172
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Originally Posted by dbox1080p View Post

I watch dvd's more than anything else as most foreign films dont come on bluray. I am unhappy with the ps3 for this job so how good is the panasonic 500 compaired to the sony 790

I have a panasonic 220 and it is clearly superior to the sony (590) for dvd playback. Colors are much richer and the picture considerably sharper. And you can't replicate the effect by boosting color and sharpness using tv controls with a sony player: this simply results in a highly pixelated picture and obscures detail.

If DVD's are your first priority, I can give a hearty recommendation for the panasonic. Sony is the equal of panasonic at blu ray, and vastly superior at streaming and file support.

If you like dvd's blu rays AND streaming, I would suggest getting both a sony and panasonic if your budget allows.
post #2344 of 4172
Is it so that BDT220 does not have playback information window where you can see video and audio codecs and bitrate? Which of the new models have that?
I saw this question was asked many times before but no definite reply.

Does 220 still have the same picture modes as x10 series and do they still work so that you can have unmodified gamut, gray scale and gamma? Will advanced chroma processing in BDT220 alter output as it did in older x10 series?
post #2345 of 4172
Hi, do you know how to take region blockade by original Panasonic remote. Please help.
post #2346 of 4172
Ive owned the Sony S590 and S790 and currently own the DMP-BDT500.I agree with the PQ is sharper on the Panny,and the other reason why I left the S790 and went to the Panny was the 3D mode,its much more in depth and HD quality,although I will say this,I dont know if its due to the recent firmware upgrade,but when streaming netfix movies,Ive noticed intermittent audio delay issues with the Panny,NEVER has this occurred with any of my Sonys.I also did experience this with the Samsungs Ive owned in the past also.Anyone else experiencing this audio delay issues with some netflix movies?I didnt have to do any adjustments while streaming with the Sonys,they just never had this issue.Am I the only one?Anyone else please chime in,thanks in advance!
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Like a lot of folks here, I have been comparing the Panny 220 and the Sony 590 (actually the 390 since I don't need 3D). I have come down to 2 questions that I need answered before I pull the trigger on either. I have done some searching but I haven't been able to navigate this whole thread so I could use some advice.
1. Is the Netflix problem with the Panny 220 reliably fixable with the reset procedure I read about and...
2. I understand the Panny doesn't do divx or xvid but I am totally new to streaming video and I don't know what's available in these formats. I guess my question is, what will I be missing if I don't have this capability?

Thanks in advance, Kirk.
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^^^ Oops, I meant to post that in the "Help me choose a player" thread. Mods, please move my last post if you feel it's appropriate.
post #2349 of 4172
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Originally Posted by antivirus View Post

If you use factory firmware, this functionality (Advanced Video Status Information) is available on the DMP-BDT500 and on the DMP-BBT01
If you use enhanced Panasonic Blu-ray firmware, Advanced Video Status Information is available on all 2012 Panasonic Blu-ray players (DMP-BBT01,DMP-BDT120/220/221/320/321/500)
The available picture modes and picture handling algorithms on the 2012 models are the same as on the 2011 models.

It is shame they left out such useful function in their popular models. As far as I know there are very little perfomance gain from 500 model and price is double compared to 220.
I'm aware of that firmware site but as far as I know you need to make an application for modified firmware and then pay for it if your application was made right way. But if I understood correctly, you must pay for each version so you need to buy several versions per year. I have no idea what they charge but even with modest two digit dollar amount per version it does not take long until you have paid for updates as much as the player cost originally. No thanks. Please correct me if any of my understading/impression about this was wrong.

It seem very hard to find nice standalone player with all the features I need. I already decided I was not going to buy another PS3, and then I have been considering Sony BDP-S590 or 490 (which turned out it may not be the same as 590 without WIFI). Then I was considering Sony BDP-s790 but even that seems to have certain features I don't like and seems in some reviews that it is slower than this year Panasonics, or in some cases about the same speed or even slower than 590 model. Then I started to consider Panasonic BDT220 only to find it lack certain basic features all mentioned Sony models or even PS3 has.

Maybe I need to reconsider PS3 after all. I got so good offer for it that it is even slightly cheaper than BDP-S590 or BDT220. At least it has good playback information and it has absolutely best firmware support for all new titles.
Edited by Big Lebowski - 9/26/12 at 12:54am
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Originally Posted by jroptop View Post

Ive owned the Sony S590 and S790 and currently own the DMP-BDT500.I agree with the PQ is sharper on the Panny,
Do you mean Panny seems sharper even with blu-rays? Are you running Panasonic in normal picture mode without any sharpening added?
Have you got experience with PS3 blu-ray picture and how would you compare it to mentioned Sony and Panasonic models?
post #2351 of 4172
I just purchased the 220 and have a newbie question. I discovered how to set a bookmark (green button) and how to see the bookmarks (search button). How do I go directly to a bookmark? I can fast forward to one, but is there a way to skip directly to a bookmark?
post #2352 of 4172
Does anyone know if/how the 220 has web browsing capabilities? I looked in the Market but there wasn't a web browser. Everything online says built in web browser. I really need that option.

thanks in advance
Foxybabe
post #2353 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Foxybabe View Post

Does anyone know if/how the 220 has web browsing capabilities? I looked in the Market but there wasn't a web browser. Everything online says built in web browser. I really need that option.

Sorry, but no web browser yet. (I believe they've promised one which has not materialized). A comparable Sony model has a web browser out of the box (BDP-S590 if you want 3D, -S390 if you don't need it).
post #2354 of 4172
Hey all,

I've had the 220 for a few months now. Last night while watching Avengers on 2D blu-ray, I noticed the picture brightness fluctuating in dark scenes when the camera angles changed. A specific spot I can recreate the issue is at 45:37, just after Thor says, "do you remember none of that?". When the camera cuts to Lokie, the picture starts darker then lightens as he responds, "I remember a shadow".

I'm 99% sure it's not my plasma television as I've had it for several years and have yet to see this issue; I double-checked all of the energy and picture settings to ensure nothing has changed. So I'm convinced its some setting on the player but can't seem to figure out what it could be. Anyone?
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

Hey all,
I've had the 220 for a few months now. Last night while watching Avengers on 2D blu-ray, I noticed the picture brightness fluctuating in dark scenes when the camera angles changed. A specific spot I can recreate the issue is at 45:37, just after Thor says, "do you remember none of that?". When the camera cuts to Lokie, the picture starts darker then lightens as he responds, "I remember a shadow".
I'm 99% sure it's not my plasma television as I've had it for several years and have yet to see this issue; I double-checked all of the energy and picture settings to ensure nothing has changed. So I'm convinced its some setting on the player but can't seem to figure out what it could be. Anyone?


Can be the disc?
post #2356 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Brian-HD View Post

Can be the disc?
I wondered that as well, but after further testing I now believe it is in fact the tv. I experienced the same brightness shifts when playing the digital copy from an Apple TV on the television, but the same brightness pops did not appear when playing the digital copy on an iPad. I can't even begin to understand why my 3 year old plasma would suddenly start fluctuating brightness in dark scenes, an issue I've read about in more modern plasmas and LED backlight-LCD's but never experienced on my own plasma until now.
post #2357 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Do you mean Panny seems sharper even with blu-rays? Are you running Panasonic in normal picture mode without any sharpening added?
Have you got experience with PS3 blu-ray picture and how would you compare it to mentioned Sony and Panasonic models?
I'd like to know the answer to that question as well. We already know from the reviews that sony is bit perfect for BD. So any added sharpness is artificial. Likewise, panasonic adds quite a bit of artificial sharpness to upconverted DVD by default. So I suspect this is what the OP is seeing. I personally think the super resolution effect on panasonic players ruins the picture. I prefer the more accurate representation with the effect turned off. When this is done, the PQ is very close to sony. However, I do find the PS3 to have the softest DVD PQ of the lot.
post #2358 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Spanbauer View Post

I wondered that as well, but after further testing I now believe it is in fact the tv. I experienced the same brightness shifts when playing the digital copy from an Apple TV on the television, but the same brightness pops did not appear when playing the digital copy on an iPad. I can't even begin to understand why my 3 year old plasma would suddenly start fluctuating brightness in dark scenes, an issue I've read about in more modern plasmas and LED backlight-LCD's but never experienced on my own plasma until now.

Does your plasma TV have a feature called something like "dynamic contrast"? That could be adjusting the overall brightness to darken darker scenes and brighten brighter scenes in order to increase the apparent contrast ratio past the native contrast ratio of the panel. Actually, I think it's more common in LCD TVs. I certainly had to turn it off in my (several year old) Mitsubishi to avoid noticeable shifts in brightness right after a scene change.
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Does anyone use a video playlist to access video titles on a DLNA server? If so, what do you use to create the list?

.TS (or .TP) playback. I capture ATSC compliant transport streams from OTA and DVB-S and play them back using a MIT MDP-130 tuner card. My DMP-BDT 220 will play the same files fine if they are transferred to my Synology DS-212j NAS drive but it will not play the same files from a USB hard drive. Anyone know why? I have file translation turned off in the NAS drive.

The DMP-BDT 220 has no problems using music playlist that I create with VUPlayer and saving as a .M3U list.
post #2360 of 4172
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm sorry but, "have to"? You can go and start your own "Panasonic DMP-BDT220/320/500, BD Playing Issues Only" thread and never read the "sad stories" posted here again.
Your and Pothog's complaints about people discussing their problems with the advertised and documented functions of these devices are not useful and totally off-topic here.
My dislike of such discussions concerning the secondary, gimmicky marketing features bundled with this product line is valid opinion that is not off topic at all because these players are not advertized as being streaming players. They are primarily and foremost advertized as Blu-ray Disc Players. This thread is intended for Blu-ray players for BD playback. There is another thread, Networking, Media Servers & Content Streamers, which may be better suited for you. However, I really put the blame on Panasonic. I can empathize with you. They bundled such a poorly implemented feature like Viera connect with a Blu-ray player to give it a marketing advantage since more and more people are turning to streaming movies off the internet. I suppose they are getting an earful of complaints too. If so, that is good.
post #2361 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Star Hawk View Post

...these players are not advertized as being streaming players.

Bull--they're advertised as playing all of these streaming services on their cartons. The description that Panasonic gives to their sellers begins with a run-down of Viera Connect streamers; from the beginning of the "Product Description" section of its page on Amazon (wrapped in [SPOILER] tags to protect the uninterested smile.gif):

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Panasonic’s 2012 Blu-ray Disc players focus on smart home networking, high-quality picture and sound, ease-of-use, eco-efficiency, and sleek design. The BDT-220 is a Full HD 3D Blu-ray Disc player that features expanded VIERA Connect functionality, FLAC (Free Lossless Audio Codec) compatibility, and superior sound image and quality.

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VIERA Connect IPTV -- More Fun Comes Via a Cloud Service

Panasonic’s IPTV platform VIERA Connect, now under the Smart VIERA umbrella, has been expanded for 2012 Blu-ray products and now utilizes cloud technology to present an unlimited number of entertainment, social networking, gaming, health & fitness, sports & news sites. Learn more about the world of Smart VIERA and VIERA Connect here.

Enhance your Blu-ray Experience with Popular Apps
Enjoy sites such as Skype, Netflix, Amazon Instant Video, You Tube, huluplus, CinemaNow, Vudu, Pandora, Facebook, Twitter, My space, and Flixster. With 2012 models, you have access to a wide variety of Internet content from the comfort of your living room.

Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching
Find your favorite movies and video content easily with one-step searching, which allows you to cross search from multiple VOD services. For ease-of-use, use the quick keyword input on VIERA Connect to help retrieve your desired content faster. Customize your screen by grouping commonly used apps and displaying them on the screen for easier use.

Communicate with Family and Friends
The social networking TV app allows you to access social network sites and communicate with your loved ones while simultaneously watching TV. Watch live sports games while upping the excitement by chatting with your friends as the game unfolds. Record an original message and set it as your answering voice message. Callers can record messages onto an SD Card (min. 512MB required), while you are away. *Skype camera not included with TV purchase.

Only after all of that verbage about its streaming and Skype capabilities do they begin to speak about its BD playing function. That's how they're advertising it. Panasonic knows that lots of their customers don't want to have several devices at every television in their home and want their BD players and other network-connected devices (TVs, AVRs, etc) to be able to handle their favorite streaming services; even their very cheapest models feature players for a few of them. They also know that if their products don't do these things well it will reflect poorly on them in magazine and tech blog reviews. (Like Panasonic's ad copy on Amazon, CNET's review of the DMP-BDT220 starts with a rundown of its streaming capabilities.
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This thread is intended for Blu-ray players for BD playback.

The discussion in this thread has been going on since late February; your first post in it was made last month. You did not start the thread and you don't get to define what it's about. The top post mentions Viera Connect and DLNA and NAS playback as functions of these BD players and they are therefore part of the topic. Again, if you want a DMP-BDT220/320/500-BD-playing-functionality-only thread, start one--it's easy.

By "thread" you're probably referring to the forum, and you'll find that every device specific thread in it contains discussion of every function of those devices. If you have a problem with this, take it up with the actual moderators; I'm sure that they'll tell you to go away and stop bothering them biggrin.gif.
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They bundled such a poorly implemented feature like Viera connect with a Blu-ray player to give it a marketing advantage since more and more people are turning to streaming movies off the internet.

Actually, Viera Connect performs pretty decently, depending upon which streamer you're using. Its VUDU player performs at a very high level, as well as VUDU on any platform; its Netflix player's library browser could be more responsive, but it's a full implementation of the GUI and playback is as smooth as on any dedicated streamer. It's one of a tiny group of devices capable of outputting true 24 fps from its network streamers, something that many streaming player users place a high premium on. I've used a few dedicated streamers and believe me, most don't perform any better than the streaming players on the best of the BDPs.

(God, when will I learn to stop feeding the frickin' trolls rolleyes.gif)?
Edited by michaeltscott - 9/30/12 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Actually, Viera Connect performs pretty decently, depending upon which streamer you're using.

The only things missing for me is my Amazon Playlist, the lack of creating my own video playlist (see post above) and why it will not play my .TS files via a USB drive.

The DMP-BDT220 seems to do most of the things the new Oppo 103 will do for less than ¼ the price ($113 vs $500). It does not do DVD-Audio or SACD. It does much more than my >$1000.00 DMP-BD10 did and is many times faster.
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Something that I noticed when I copied description from Amazon is:
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Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching
Find your favorite movies and video content easily with one-step searching, which allows you to cross search from multiple VOD services. For ease-of-use, use the quick keyword input on VIERA Connect to help retrieve your desired content faster.

What in hell are they talking about? It's in the description of every device they sell featuring Viera Connect--televisions, disc players, STBs. There's nothing that I can see in the Viera Connect menu and nothing in the Viera Connect store. I thought that it might be in the IP remote app, but it ain't there either. Sounds potentially useful, if it actually exists.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

What in hell are they talking about?

It appears that feature (Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching) is available on certain models with VIERA Connect and only when you have “Personalization” setup. This info is from a DMP-BDT500 info page here.
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The BDT500 also comes with a new remote control that has a touch pad for intuitive operation and easy navigation through the GUI on the screen.

I will have to setup a Personalized remote for the DMP-BDT220 to see if it offers anything extra.
post #2365 of 4172
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

It appears that feature (Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching) is available on certain models with VIERA Connect and only when you have “Personalization” setup. This info is from a DMP-BDT500 info page here.

I'm sorry, but could you quote what you see on that page which states or implies that?

I have personalization turned on to select a custom dark background, but I didn't do anything else with it. I'll take a look at the options and try the touchscreen interface in the Android IP remote.
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm sorry, but could you quote what you see on that page which states or implies that?

Hey man, it was just a guess!

This from the “Personalization” section:
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The BDT500 also comes with a new remote control that has a touch pad for intuitive operation and easy navigation through the GUI on the screen.

If VIERA Connect has Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching available on the DMP-BDT220 then they have done a good job of hiding that feature!
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Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

Hey man, it was just a guess!
This from the “Personalization” section:
If VIERA Connect has Clicker - Video on Demand Cross Searching available on the DMP-BDT220 then they have done a good job of hiding that feature!

I have searched and searched and while I've run across mention of it in a couple of reviews (of various products, not the BDT220) which say how great it is, not one has stated how to use it or offered a demonstration. Perhaps it's obvious how to use it if your Viera Connect or Viera Smart equipped product has it. Whatever rolleyes.gif.

The Panasonic Blue-ray Remote 2012 has a gesture mode which operates like that touchpad (there's an iOS version as well, for those of that persuasion). The mode works fine on the BDT220, which I think is the only 2012 model which doesn't come with the touchpad. I suspect that the touchpad remote would work with it as well.
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After reading the home theater magazine review of this player, I've changed my player settings to user so all picture settings are at 0 and all changes are done through the TV. The reviewer suggested to set chroma processing to advanced, and that the detail sharpening didn't have much of an effect, so I left that off. I got a slightly better picture with these settings. LOVE THIS PLAYER!
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Hi,

Pardon my inability to read all these pages but I have a simple issue with this player so I'm hoping that the experts in this forum would help me.

I just bought this player from Amazon and I'm happy with it so far. I'm testing it The Dark Night movie and I find it odd that sometimes, the screen displays is full and sometimes, it displays horizontal black bands on top and bottom of the screen. Can you please help me understand why it does that and how to get a consistent display, preferrably with full screen without zoom option?

My tv is Samsung HL67A750.

Thanks!
post #2370 of 4172
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

I just flat out dislike the streaming interface on the 220. You can't even choose movies to put on your watchlist in amazon prime. Plus, you can only view two rows of selections at a time. There is significant lag with the interface in general as well.
Unless you are a heavy and/or picky dvd watcher, I cannot recommend the panasonic at all. Get a sony.
This is a valid subject for those arguing that these players are not primarily intended for streaming. But the bottom line for my case is that until last month's firmware update, Netflix streaming was damn near impossible to do. It would not work. It may be silly to expect it to be as pretty as Roku or AppleTV but it damn well is supposed to work.
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Originally Posted by Star Hawk View Post

This thread is intended for Blu-ray players for BD playback. There is another thread, Networking, Media Servers & Content Streamers, which may be better suited for you.
Please look at the title of this thread and explain to us where you get the notion of this discussion being about BluRay players for BluRay playback. The title says it is for owners of these players and NOTHING ELSE. That's all of us who own one of these players and what concerns us about them. It says NOTHING about the intent of this discussion other than that. Perhaps a better argument would be to not mention other brands here. Please stop this foolishness. Streaming is a VALID ADVERTISED FEATURE. As I have already stated, I don't expect it to be great but I goddamned well expect it to work and I don't need some tool telling me I shouldn't complain when it doesn't.
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