or Connect
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › Official Panasonic DMP-BDT 220/320/500 Owners Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official Panasonic DMP-BDT 220/320/500 Owners Thread - Page 115

post #3421 of 4169
So here is the issue with the numerous complaints of poor wireless performance / range on this unit (as opposed to the BDT210 which worked fine in the same location).

The number of bars of signal strength is misleading (if people use that as the sole gauge of its ability to connect to wifi networks) and here is why:

In my family room (downstairs in the opposite corner of my house, I am still getting 4 bars (out of 5 max) of signal strength (this is the receiving end) of my BDT220's wifi adapter, thanks to my top-rated router strong far-reaching 2.4Ghz signal (on smallnetbuilder.com).
BUT, and this is why it fails to do anything at long distances (even when it says it is connected), the BDT220's wireless adapter also has to transmit data (talk) back to the router. The wifi adapter in the BDT220 is not able to properly / consistently talk back to the router at longer distances (i.e. its transmit power is likely too weak, something that was not an issue on the BDT210).

I moved the BDT220 to my bedroom (room right next to the room the router is in) as a test and the BDT220 worked fine instantly for network connectivity in that room.
Downstairs, however, it eventually says 'connected', but the connection test fails every time even though it shows 4 bars the whole time (option to test connection can be found under IP address settings), which shows it is probably on the BDT220's transmit side.
You can have the best router in the world, but if it can't hear (receive) the signal coming back from the BDT220's adapter (transmit side) because the BDT220 is not talking back (transmitting) loudly enough. In this cases, you won't get wifi apps to work well, it at all.

After rebooting my router yesterday I was able to FINALLY get the BDT220 Netflix to work fine for a while in the far away location. But after turning the power back on today, the BDT220 was back to its old tricks again of not connecting properly to my wifi network.

Extremely disappointed and frustrated (spent hours on this on and off since yesterday) since my BDT210 worked fine in the exact same location where the BDT220 fails to connect!

So for those who are having no issues, you likely either
a) have it in wired mode
b) have your BDT220 in a location not all that far from the router (not on the far opposite side of a home on a different floor e.g.).

I am most likely going to get a network switch and run it in wired mode to end the frustration (quite frankly I plan to use it mostly for Blu-Ray and DVD playback only since my Roku 3 is much faster for streaming app loading Netflix anyway) and it also supports 1080P for Netflix)..

The elimination of 5GHz wifi capability (the BDT210 had it, BDT220 does NOT) I can live with easily since 2.4 GHz band on my router works fine in my house (interference / congestion is not an issue). In addition, 5 GHz by nature has less range anyway so it is only for those who are having major interference on 2.4 GHz in locations not too far from their router.
However, the poor 2.4 Ghz performance of the BDT220 is unacceptable. I am just lucky I have alternatives (Roku insead or connect the BDT220 via ethernet); others may not be so lucky.
The BDT210's wifi adapter should have been kept for the BDT220...
Edited by ia1z - 3/18/13 at 4:04am
post #3422 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by jtrippe View Post

Anyone? I couldn't find where the sensor is on the unit by a google search or in the manual

Page 7 of the manual
post #3423 of 4169
Thank you!
post #3424 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by ia1z View Post

So here is the issue with the numerous complaints of poor wireless performance / range on this unit (as opposed to the BDT210 which worked fine in the same location).

The number of bars of signal strength is misleading (if people use that as the sole gauge of its ability to connect to wifi networks) and here is why:

In my family room (downstairs in the opposite corner of my house, I am still getting 4 bars (out of 5 max) of signal strength (this is the receiving end) of my BDT220's wifi adapter, thanks to my top-rated router strong far-reaching 2.4Ghz signal (on smallnetbuilder.com).
BUT, and this is why it fails to do anything at long distances (even when it says it is connected), the BDT220's wireless adapter also has to transmit data (talk) back to the router. The wifi adapter in the BDT220 is not able to properly / consistently talk back to the router at longer distances (i.e. its transmit power is likely too weak, something that was not an issue on the BDT210).

I moved the BDT220 to my bedroom (room right next to the room the router is in) as a test and the BDT220 worked fine instantly for network connectivity in that room.
Downstairs, however, it eventually says 'connected', but the connection test fails every time even though it shows 4 bars the whole time (option to test connection can be found under IP address settings), which shows it is probably on the BDT220's transmit side.
You can have the best router in the world, but if it can't hear (receive) the signal coming back from the BDT220's adapter (transmit side) because the BDT220 is not talking back (transmitting) loudly enough. In this cases, you won't get wifi apps to work well, it at all.

After rebooting my router yesterday I was able to FINALLY get the BDT220 Netflix to work fine for a while in the far away location. But after turning the power back on today, the BDT220 was back to its old tricks again of not connecting properly to my wifi network.

Extremely disappointed and frustrated (spent hours on this on and off since yesterday) since my BDT210 worked fine in the exact same location where the BDT220 fails to connect!

So for those who are having no issues, you likely either
a) have it in wired mode
b) have your BDT220 in a location not all that far from the router (not on the far opposite side of a home on a different floor e.g.).

I am most likely going to get a network switch and run it in wired mode to end the frustration (quite frankly I plan to use it mostly for Blu-Ray and DVD playback only since my Roku 3 is much faster for streaming app loading Netflix anyway) and it also supports 1080P for Netflix)..

The elimination of 5GHz wifi capability (the BDT210 had it, BDT220 does NOT) I can live with easily since 2.4 GHz band on my router works fine in my house (interference / congestion is not an issue). In addition, 5 GHz by nature has less range anyway so it is only for those who are having major interference on 2.4 GHz in locations not too far from their router.
However, the poor 2.4 Ghz performance of the BDT220 is unacceptable. I am just lucky I have alternatives (Roku insead or connect the BDT220 via ethernet); others may not be so lucky.
The BDT210's wifi adapter should have been kept for the BDT220...

One of the best things I noticed from Wi-Fi on my BDT-220 was that it had a 40Mhz option. I've never seen that before in any of my wi-fi consumer electronic devices. I run all my APs in 40Mhz mode so my BDT220 had plenty of bandwidth when I was running it from a wireless connection.
post #3425 of 4169
Saw the 230 at best buy yesterday, they had one of the shelf.. no display though. Sold out of all 220's.

But that being said, im kinda waiting to see what the 230 brings to the table. But that being said, I also noticed the 320 is only like $10 more then the 220.. so thats something im also considering.

Just still debating.... oh PS3 you did well until recently.....
post #3426 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

One of the best things I noticed from Wi-Fi on my BDT-220 was that it had a 40Mhz option. I've never seen that before in any of my wi-fi consumer electronic devices. I run all my APs in 40Mhz mode so my BDT220 had plenty of bandwidth when I was running it from a wireless connection.

The 40 MHz option is the same as having bandwidth set to Auto which will then pick 20 or 40 MHz.
Auto is preferable because, as the warning on Panasonic BDT220's setting page also indicates, 40 MHz mode can actually have a detrimental effect under certain circumstances...

20 MHz was usually up to 150 Mbps maximum, so that is plenty of bandwidth anyway (in fact real world throughput will usually be a lot lower than the 'link rate').
Netflix 1080P Super HD's highest bitrate is 5800 Kbps and they recommend 5, preferably, 7 Mbps internet bandwidth..
I use LAN Speed Test to check real world throughput.
post #3427 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by ia1z View Post

Netflix 1080P Super HD's highest bitrate is 5800 Kbps and they recommend 5, preferably, 7 Mbps internet bandwidth.

5 Mbps service may get you the lower, 4300 Kbps "Super HD" encodes; you'll need at least 7 Mbps to stay ahead of the 5800 Kbps ones.
post #3428 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

5 Mbps service may get you the lower, 4300 Kbps "Super HD" encodes; you'll need at least 7 Mbps to stay ahead of the 5800 Kbps ones.

That makes sense and is probably why they give the range and say at least 7 Mbps is preferred / ideal.

It is ironic:
My 50 Mbps cable internet plan gets actual speeds of 59 MBps (using a DOCSIS 3.0 cable modem to help with channel bonding which prevents the old lower speeds during peak hours syndrome, so I have room to spare.
My router has excellent coverage.
But, a network connection is only as good (or bad) as its weakest component: Too bad the BDT220's wifi module has low transmit power (becomes an issue for longer range situations).

I ordered an unmanaged 5 port gigabit network switch this morning (excellent reviews on both newegg and amazon yet still under $20 shipped including tax for a mfr refurb - did not want to spend more than I needed to, especially since I had planned to use my Roku 3 for all of my streaming).
The BDT220 will be primarily for BD (and other disc) playback.
If I compare the video quality of the BDT220 vs. the Roku 3 for Netflix Super HD material and find the Panny to be superior, I might reconsider. At this point I did not notice any clear differences but have not done any serious comparisons (yet).
The Panny's 24 fps could help in some situations but even then some people say 'shudder' is something one might not even notice in movies that have it when played at 30 fps.
post #3429 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by kreepy View Post

Saw the 230 at best buy yesterday, they had one of the shelf.. no display though. Sold out of all 220's.

But that being said, im kinda waiting to see what the 230 brings to the table. But that being said, I also noticed the 320 is only like $10 more then the 220.. so thats something im also considering.

Just still debating.... oh PS3 you did well until recently.....

Where are you located? Where did you see the 230?
post #3430 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by CruelInventions View Post

I'm debating between picking up either a refurb'd DMP-BDT 210/215 or a new DMP-BDT 220.

I've had the DMP-BDT 110 before so I am pretty familiar with these players.

Just wondering if the player advanced from one generation to the next in terms of networking features or consistency. Beyond this aspect, searching this thread, it appears the 220 can play at least one more file format (mp4). Anything else to warrant the BDT 220 over a pre-Cinavia instituted 210/215 player?

It's up in the air at this point for me regarding my need and follow-thru for ripping blu-rays for streaming and for playing mp4 content. My initial instinct is to just get a player for discs and eventually get something more advanced for streaming (a Dune player or the like), which would *probably?* negate any Cinavia concerns.

Thoughts welcomed and encouraged.

I'm not sure if you a sports fan or care, but the 220 offers the streaming service for MLB, the 210 does not.
JAG
post #3431 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG Audio View Post

I'm not sure if you a sports fan or care, but the 220 offers the streaming service for MLB, the 210 does not.
JAG

The BDT220 also offers 24 fps output of network VOD sources (Netflix, VUDU, Amazon, etc). Sadly you have to turn it on every time you fire up a player you want to use it with, but it's available.
post #3432 of 4169
Thanks for all the feedback guys. Still wrestling with the choice but leaning towards just going with the 220.
post #3433 of 4169
I can understand not being sure about wanting to take the plunge. I bought the DMP-BDT320 after using a Samsung BDE5400/ZA for a while (a lower end blu ray player that also does wifi/DLNA).

Honestly, I am not very impressed with any of the current set top boxes or Smart players. We (girlfriend and I) had better Netflix interface response than the boxes with an MHL adapter and a smart phone (Sprint Galaxy Nexus). IMO, these smart players nowadays are under-powered, under-designed stop-gaps until processors that can handle the communication, decoding, display, and OS overhead robustly get cheap enough to put in a $100 unit.

Even the touchpad interface on the remote you use to navigate the menus can get a little wonky if you try to do things too quickly.

I spent most of yesterday trying to figure out why I cannot convince my DMP-BDT320 to successfully play a transcoded movie file from my PLEX server. It seems to be a software issue because my Panasonic TC-L42D30 TV plays them just fine with the same settings. Its a little frustrating to run into (artifical) roadblocks trying to get the device to work as advertised.

About the only thing I have not yet done with the DMP-BDT320 is play a disc in it. At least that should be hassle free.
Edited by Tarzanman - 3/19/13 at 5:15am
post #3434 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by jansh84 View Post

Where are you located? Where did you see the 230?

Harrisburg, PA ... Not sure how much.. didnt do a price check.
post #3435 of 4169
MSRP for 230 is $129 which is what BB has it at right now.

S~
post #3436 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by ia1z View Post

The 40 MHz option is the same as having bandwidth set to Auto which will then pick 20 or 40 MHz.
Auto is preferable because, as the warning on Panasonic BDT220's setting page also indicates, 40 MHz mode can actually have a detrimental effect under certain circumstances...

20 MHz was usually up to 150 Mbps maximum, so that is plenty of bandwidth anyway (in fact real world throughput will usually be a lot lower than the 'link rate').
Netflix 1080P Super HD's highest bitrate is 5800 Kbps and they recommend 5, preferably, 7 Mbps internet bandwidth..
I use LAN Speed Test to check real world throughput.

Real world throughput is at most half the link rate. Which is why I like to get linkrates of 200Mb/s to 300Mb/s with my wireless devices. I can get throughput rates of 150Mb/s from my laptop over wireless but of course most of my wireless devices get less throughput than that. I recently switched my BDT220 to it's wired connection anyway. I had been having issues with my wireless and the speeds were cut in half. But I found out that this was caused from my Roku 3 and it's WiFi Direct connection with the ROku 3 remote. I was able to force it to a different channel which solved my issue. But I decided to keep my BDT220 on a wired connection.(The BDT220 was never really affected since it was using 2.4Ghz while the Roku3 WIFI DIrect was using 5GHZ and affected some of my faster wifi connections)
post #3437 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachsac View Post

MSRP for 230 is $129 which is what BB has it at right now.

S~

Yes, I've seen them at three BestBuy stores in my area now(but still nothing from BestBuy online). I never saw a display but they had anywhere from 2 to 5 boxes on the shelf. Still waiting for someone to try out a BDT230. I'm curious if it has access to the 3D titles from Netflix.
post #3438 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Yes, I've seen them at three BestBuy stores in my area now(but still nothing from BestBuy online). I never saw a display but they had anywhere from 2 to 5 boxes on the shelf. Still waiting for someone to try out a BDT230. I'm curious if it has access to the 3D titles from Netflix.
Check the owner's thread. As for 3D. That is very complex right now. Only PS3 and LG tvs are supported right now. In addition, your ISP must be connected to their open connect. Mine isn't.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1463719/official-panasonic-dmp-79-89-230-330-owners-thread-2013

S~
post #3439 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Real world throughput is at most half the link rate. Which is why I like to get linkrates of 200Mb/s to 300Mb/s with my wireless devices. I can get throughput rates of 150Mb/s from my laptop over wireless but of course most of my wireless devices get less throughput than that. I recently switched my BDT220 to it's wired connection anyway. I had been having issues with my wireless and the speeds were cut in half. But I found out that this was caused from my Roku 3 and it's WiFi Direct connection with the ROku 3 remote. I was able to force it to a different channel which solved my issue. But I decided to keep my BDT220 on a wired connection.(The BDT220 was never really affected since it was using 2.4Ghz while the Roku3 WIFI DIrect was using 5GHZ and affected some of my faster wifi connections)

It depends on one's needs - I was going to note real world throughput but in my case it is still significantly higher than needed for streaming Super HD.
But, if you're not having interference issues with the 40 MHz bandwidth then by all means go for it so as to get higher link rates and higher throughput.

My real world throughput, via wireless, in the far downstrairs room was still at least 21 MBps (or so; been a while since I ran tests with LAN Speed Test) with a reasonable wifi adapter which is far more than the 7 MBps needed for Super HD (leaves headroom for fluctuations etc.).
I am now using ethernet for the Roku 3 in that room and my ethernet switch is arriving today so I will hook up the BDT220 via a wired connection as well.

Thanks re. the Roku 3. I read it uses 5 GHz though for WiFi Direct and the BDT220 is single band, 2.4 GHz only, so the 2 should not interfere.
Edited by ia1z - 3/19/13 at 10:39am
post #3440 of 4169
My 220 just took a firmware update; any reports on what that did possibly? I’ll check the site here in a few….

http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/DMP-BDT220?t=downloads&support#tabs

Viera connect compatibility... hum -
post #3441 of 4169
What are the best settings for the bdt220, as far as video goes??? I tried searching the thread, but couldn't find anything. Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
post #3442 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by kreepy View Post

Harrisburg, PA ... Not sure how much.. didnt do a price check.

Thanks! I am in Canada though, anyone saw it here?
post #3443 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggmorton View Post

I bought a DMP-BDT220, and I am having some issue with the sound on occasion. It is hooked directly to a LCD tv with an HDMI cable. When using Netflix, it occasionally outputs no sound at all. Selecting a certain movie will make the sound start working, and from that point on there is no issue. This sounds like a firmware bug to me. I did upgrade to the newest firmware when I was setting it up. Has anyone seen this before?

When it is in this mode, I think I will try a blu-ray to see if it is also misbehaving.

This problem is cropping up again for me. I did update to the newest firmware (1.53). Blu-rays seemed to play ok for sound.
post #3444 of 4169
Hi, Just got the BDT-220. It was pretty easy to connect it to my wireless router, upgrade firmware, and connect to Netflix to watch a movie. But how to watch YouTube, and go to other internet sites? the manual doesn't seem to be clear on that. thanks, Jason
post #3445 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by seafan View Post

Hi, Just got the BDT-220. It was pretty easy to connect it to my wireless router, upgrade firmware, and connect to Netflix to watch a movie. But how to watch YouTube, and go to other internet sites? the manual doesn't seem to be clear on that. thanks, Jason

Push the button on your remote labled "INTERNET" and that takes you to all the sites. There are also other ways to get there from the "Home" menu.

Al
post #3446 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by seafan View Post

But how to watch YouTube, and go to other internet sites? the manual doesn't seem to be clear on that. thanks, Jason

In the manual that I'm looking at there's a section labelled "Enjoying Network Service (NETFLIX, etc.)" in the "Playback" chapter on page 19.
post #3447 of 4169
I have the 220 and recently have a problem with Amazon Streaming video and Setup. Amazon Streaming Video will start flashing a greenish yellow color. The unit reports a firmware update but when I go to setup nothing is displayed. I have rebooted a bunch of times and the behavior is the same. Are there any potential solutions to try? Thanks in advance.
post #3448 of 4169
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

I have the 220 and recently have a problem with Amazon Streaming video and Setup. Amazon Streaming Video will start flashing a greenish yellow color. The unit reports a firmware update but when I go to setup nothing is displayed. I have rebooted a bunch of times and the behavior is the same. Are there any potential solutions to try? Thanks in advance.

Firmware update 1.53 is the latest update available. If that's the one you have installed it has to be something else. I don't stream Amazon on my BDT500 and won't be until my player will do the 5.1 audio Amazon offers.

When the player reports the firmware update does it ask you if you want to download it? If not, that report for a firmware update must be coming from Amazon so something must be up with the player. What that could be, I have no idea as I don't know your set up and settings.

Al
post #3449 of 4169
I wasn't clear in how I wrote my post. The firmware update is a Panasonic firmware update for the player, not for the Amazon app. I am having two failures. I was hoping the BDT220 firmware update would address my Amazon app problem, but I cannot perform the BDT220 firmware update. When i first startup the unit the BDT220 firmware tells me a firmware update exists and to navigate to the Setup screen to perform the update. When I navigate to the Setup screen it shows the standard BDT220 background with no icons or navigation on it at all. It is completely blank. The only way to get out of this is to turn off the unit.

Is there someway to force a hard reset to see if that will at least address my Setup issue so I can perform the BDT220 firmware update?
post #3450 of 4169
The reset procedure is in the owner's manual in the troubleshooting section. Try unplugging the player for a minute first.

S~
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Blu-ray Players
AVS › AVS Forum › Blu-ray & HD DVD › Blu-ray Players › Official Panasonic DMP-BDT 220/320/500 Owners Thread