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Has anyone on AVS with in-ceiling speakers installed Height speakers?

post #1 of 9
2/21/12 at 9:14am
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I have been told by Chris of Audyssey that he doesn't think having Height speakers would work because Height speakers need to be higher than the rest of the sound system.

Chris, a while back, also said that Wides may not work. I did gamble on Wides and they work fantastic. This is why I am considering Heights BUT did not want to gamble this time by spending the $$$ for two more speakers and cutting holes in the ceiling.

My question to you is: Has anyone on this Forum with in-ceiling speakers given Heights a try? If so, do you have an opinion?

Any thoughts out there?



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post #2 of 9
2/21/12 at 9:52am
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Originally Posted by JimShaw View Post

I have been told by Chris of Audyssey that he doesn't think having Height speakers would work because Height speakers need to be higher than the rest of the sound system.

Chris, a while back, also said that Wides may not work. I did gamble on Wides and they work fantastic. This is why I am considering Heights BUT did not want to gamble this time by spending the $$$ for two more speakers and cutting holes in the ceiling.

My question to you is: Has anyone on this Forum with in-ceiling speakers given Heights a try? If so, do you have an opinion?

Any thoughts out there?



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What's higher than the ceiling? Where would you put these height speakers relative to your already in-ceiling speakers?
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post #3 of 9
2/21/12 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by ivanhoek View Post

What's higher than the ceiling? Where would you put these height speakers relative to your already in-ceiling speakers?

They would bet set in at 45 degrees from the center speaker and could be placed to the left and right and almost directly above the main seating spot. That way any sound like rain, etc. would be almost overhead coming down upon the seating area. I could also use two speakers with a ultra wide dispersion that would spread the sound over a large area. Just thinking!!!
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post #4 of 9
2/21/12 at 6:13pm
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They would bet set in at 45 degrees from the center speaker and could be placed to the left and right and almost directly above the main seating spot. That way any sound like rain, etc. would be almost overhead coming down upon the seating area. I could also use two speakers with a ultra wide dispersion that would spread the sound over a large area. Just thinking!!!

Well, if anything it will sound different. You may like the effect, even if it's not the same effect others hear when using the "height speakers".

Let us know how it goes after you try it!
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post #5 of 9
2/22/12 at 3:13am
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Well, if anything it will sound different. You may like the effect, even if it's not the same effect others hear when using the "height speakers".

Let us know how it goes after you try it!

Same goes for him using wides. If using ceiling mounted speakers then obviously accurate/realistic sound quality is a low priority. So just making it sound "more gimmicky" of different is what the OP is after.
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post #6 of 9
2/22/12 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by William View Post

Same goes for him using wides. If using ceiling mounted speakers then obviously is a low priority. So just making it sound "more gimmicky" of different is what the OP is after.


You can not be more incorrect.

Because of my situation, in-ceiling speakers have to be used even if towers are preferred.

My goal is to achieve "accurate/realistic sound quality" as best as I can with what I have.

If I wanted "more gimmicky" than I would have installed without asking for advise on the forum regarding installing Heights.

The type of speakers I used for Wides work damn good, not "gimmicky"

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post #7 of 9
2/23/12 at 3:36am
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...Because of my situation, in-ceiling speakers have to be used even if towers are preferred....

This may be the case but there is no way to get accurate imaging/sound-field from ceiling mounted speakers. Adding hight speakers to celling speakers mains can't make an improvement in imaging since the algorithms are to create a sense of space above your mains (like rain falling down). Since hight's are to be mounted above your mains how are you going to accomplish this or mount them?
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post #8 of 9
2/23/12 at 9:02am
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They would bet set in at 45 degrees from the center speaker and could be placed to the left and right and almost directly above the main seating spot. That way any sound like rain, etc. would be almost overhead coming down upon the seating area.

There's a lot more sound than rain, though. The algorithms pick quite a bit out from the fronts to generate sound, but they can't pick out individual sounds that would be appropriate. You may get car sounds or such coming from directly overhead. Kind of destroys your "accurate/realistic sound quality" goals.

If you must use inceilngs, I wouldn't bother beyond what you already have.
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post #9 of 9
2/23/12 at 12:20pm
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There's a lot more sound than rain, though. The algorithms pick quite a bit out from the fronts to generate sound, but they can't pick out individual sounds that would be appropriate. You may get car sounds or such coming from directly overhead. Kind of destroys your "accurate/realistic sound quality" goals.

If you must use inceilngs, I wouldn't bother beyond what you already have.

Tulpa

First sensible post that I have read on why Heights would not work in my case.

Yes, in-ceilings is a must. Therefore, it sounds like Heights will not work properly in my case. So, I have decided not to spend the $1,700.00 to give it a try.

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