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post #1021 of 2546
Would anyone be able to post picture settings for movies and standard tv for un40eh6030? smile.gif
post #1022 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

BTW I would not take a reviewer who raves about the SQ of the down firing speakers of this TV very seriously smile.gif Heck my old 24" SONY WEGA has better speakers than the speakers in any of the LCD/LED/Plasma TV's. LOL. I am having a hard time selling that CRT TV. I also dont want to just throw it away, giving an impression to the neighbors that I am very wealthy smile.gif

I must have missed the sarcasm font when I was typing it, hahaha.

It is interesting to read how many people are unhappy with the TV though. Is the picture of the 6000 10% better? Since that's the cost difference, is it the picture quality or just the worry of who made the panel? What sucks is the Panasonic w/ 3D I was looking at for 879 is back up to 1399 it looks like on their website. Oh well, still not unhappy with the purchase after having played with the picture settings. Gonna mess more after the DVE and the Disney WOW discs come just to see how they look.
post #1023 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PacketHauler View Post

I just picked up the UN55EH6000 today from BB. I've played with a few of the settings so far, based on posts in this forum. I've found your settings in Movie mode to be the best so far. I have to ask, how do you get the black level option to show up? Right now it's grayed out and I'm unable to change it.

ok, I spent lot of time reading through this forum and still can't figure out what is best settign for 55". Still havjg some fuzzy picture, black background looks not black etc..
Please post your best setting!!!!!! Too many people have differant choices, why??? Just to watch movie does it need to be so differant and difficult to set up????
Appreciate in advance your reccomendations.
post #1024 of 2546
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Originally Posted by pesnya View Post

ok, I spent lot of time reading through this forum and still can't figure out what is best settign for 55". Still havjg some fuzzy picture, black background looks not black etc..
Please post your best setting!!!!!! Too many people have differant choices, why??? Just to watch movie does it need to be so differant and difficult to set up????
Appreciate in advance your reccomendations.

The settings I've found to be the most 'Plasma' like (I still own a Panny UT50 and a Sammy D7000 PDP), are chicolom's settings, which can be found here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/300#post_22368244

Even though it's in the EH5000 owners thread, the settings still apply to the EH6000.

I set mine to movie mode, and followed the settings he used. It's still not as good as a plasma. However, this TV is used for the kiddies where static content seems to be the norm, and energy savings is of the utmost importance.
post #1025 of 2546
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Originally Posted by p51mustang View Post

I just picked up a Samsung UN55EH6001FXZA and so far I'm not happy with it. It has that horrible soap opera/video look and has frequent screen tears and jerkiness with any kind of fast motion. It is driving me nuts. I am so sorry I bought this thing. The 51" looked ok in the store, I had been looking at a Sharp Aquos 52" and was pretty happy with the picture on that, should have just gotten thta. I don't care for this TV at all. Even if I can turn off the image interpolation or whatever is causing the Mexican soap opera look, I'm not sure I'm interested in keeping this set.

I bought a UN55EH6001FXZA yesterday at BB and after setting it up, turning it on and watching a variety of programs (HD as well as SD) as well as a bit of Blu-ray (the recent Pixar movie "Brave"), I came to the same conclusions as P51mustang. I attemped to calibrate some of the settings using the "Maximize" option that's included on the "Brave" BR disc, and also played around with a number of the modes and settings in an attempt to get a picture I could live with, much less really enjoy. What a dissapointment this TV turned out to be. I guess I should have realized that $799 was too good to be true for a a 55" 120 Hz LED with the Samsung brand on it. The last thing I did before leaving for work this morning was watch a few minutes of a HD broadcast of "Seabiscuit," specifically the scene in which Toby McGuire initially runs the untrained horse as fast as he can. The blurriness and artifacting were unmistakable. What a bummer.

Reading several pages of highly informative and candid posts on this thread only confirmed what I suspected. So I decided to take some of my lunch hour and go talk to someone at Best Buy. After explaining that I wasn't happy with the set and that I thought it was most likely due to the poor quality of the panel, the salesman told me that all LED sets suffer from this "soap opera" effect. He then told me which options I should turn off to improve the picture. But I'm not convinced.

I will go home tonight and follow some of the advice given earlier in this thread and will also confirm the version (AH or CH) that I bought. But I'm not confident it will help much, especially since the Blu-ray disc didn't seem to have the same issues. Since we watch a lot more HDTV in this room than we watch Blu-ray discs, we need a set that produces a great picture from the FIOS STB, not just the Blu-ray player.

So I have a few questions if you don't mind:

1. Is the salesman telling the truth - that all LED sets will look like this and that it's something you have to get used to over time? I'm finding that hard to believe. I was expecting that same oooh/aaah feeling I got 10 years ago when I first saw the picture on my 50" Sony Grand Wega (rear projection LCD).

2. Will I be better off buying a Samsung model that Best Buy has been selling for a while and still typically sells? How can I be assured that the panel is one of the "good" ones? These are the options I'm considering at the moment:

UN55EH6000FXZA - regularly 1399.99 but now on sale for 879.99 - this seems to be basically the same set as the UN55EH6001FXZA only not the BF "special"
UN50EH6000FXZA - regularly 1149.99 but now on sale for 799.99 - this is the 50" version and again doesn't seem to be a BF "special"

3. Should I be looking at a different retailer such as Amazon?

4. If not a Samsung, what are other good 50"-55" brands LED models to consider? Or should I consider Plasma rather than LED? I like the energy efficiency and potentially increased longevity I think I'll get with a LED set.

5. I use my Onkyo 5.1 receiver for HDMI switching between my STB and Blu-ray player and just run the single HDMI into the TV. Could that be causing any of these issues? It worked great with my Sony Grand Wega.

Any additional thoughts are certainly appreciated. I will report back after I've tried additional tweaks tonight, but at the moment, I'm pretty sure I'm going to return this set.
post #1026 of 2546
spend the extra 50-100 bucks to get the non BF model. If you still dont like the TV, try another model or another brand.
post #1027 of 2546
I would choose the EH6000 or EH6030 model rather than the EH6001 model. The 6001 is a Black Friday special for Best Buy, and may not quite have the same quality control specs as the regular models. The 50EH6000 was $799 and the 55" version was $879, which were still very good prices. And the better versions have the Samsung panel, which is identified on the lable as Version TS or TH. The 50EH5000 was priced at $699, but being 60hz I was not sure if it would handle motion blur as well as the 6000 at 120hz.. I normally prefer plasma, but the direct backlighting on the EH models helps minimize clouding and flashlighting, and these models look better to me than some of the higher end ES versions.
post #1028 of 2546
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I would choose the EH6000 or EH6030 model rather than the EH6001 model. The 6001 is a Black Friday special for Best Buy, and may not quite have the same quality control specs as the regular models. The 50EH6000 was $799 and the 55" version was $879, which were still very good prices. And the better versions have the Samsung panel, which is identified on the lable as Version TS or TH. The 50EH5000 was priced at $699, but being 60hz I was not sure if it would handle motion blur as well as the 6000 at 120hz.. I normally prefer plasma, but the direct backlighting on the EH models helps minimize clouding and flashlighting, and these models look better to me than some of the higher end ES versions.

I'd have to agree with that assessment. The EH6000 does look better than all of the edge-lit LEDs that I've seen so far, just from a screen uniformity standpoint. I also prefer plasma, but this is a great set for those wanting an energy efficient option and a decent sized set.
post #1029 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bewlaybrothers View Post

The latest firmware fixed for me an annoying bug where Auto Motion Plus would go back to default settings between power ons. Haven't read any reasons why not to do it, so I'd say go for it.

Thanks for the tip. I guess the lesson learned is wait until November-December to buy a TV because prices can fall $300 from July-November. On the other hand, I got an HS01 panel and it looks great.
post #1030 of 2546
You can just buy a Roku to get Internet apps, no need for a PS3.
post #1031 of 2546
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

I would choose the EH6000 or EH6030 model rather than the EH6001 model. The 6001 is a Black Friday special for Best Buy, and may not quite have the same quality control specs as the regular models. The 50EH6000 was $799 and the 55" version was $879, which were still very good prices. And the better versions have the Samsung panel, which is identified on the lable as Version TS or TH. The 50EH5000 was priced at $699, but being 60hz I was not sure if it would handle motion blur as well as the 6000 at 120hz.. I normally prefer plasma, but the direct backlighting on the EH models helps minimize clouding and flashlighting, and these models look better to me than some of the higher end ES versions.
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Originally Posted by PacketHauler View Post

I'd have to agree with that assessment. The EH6000 does look better than all of the edge-lit LEDs that I've seen so far, just from a screen uniformity standpoint. I also prefer plasma, but this is a great set for those wanting an energy efficient option and a decent sized set.

Did some more research on "Soap Opera" effect and discovered it's a well-understood issue with a well-understood solution although the solution may not necessarily please everyone in my household. Apparently it first came about with the advent of 120Hz, which is too fast a refresh for the 24 FPS used in standard film. So the 60Hz sets may actually do a better job with films broadcasted in HD, but perhaps are not as good for HD video, such as sports broadcasts, Blu-ray or gaming. Sure enough, I looked up the specs on my old Grand Wega and it appears to be a 60Hz set.

So perhaps the "fix" is to simply change the picture settings depending on what we're watching. The only problem is that when switching back and forth between programs, we might not want to continuously change the Clear Motion or whatever setting it is on this set. I'm actully wondering if a 60Hz set might make more sense for us. It would certainly be less expensive!

Anyway, will check back in later. Thanks again.
post #1032 of 2546
The "Soap Opera Effect" is a byproduct of 120hz + TVs trying to upscale the framerate of content. TV is usually around 24, 30, frames a second. Reality TV and news programs are 60 frames per second. Movies are almost always ~24 frames per second.

Most 120hz TVs by default will take those 24/30/60 frames and try to stretch them to fill 120 frames per second. In order to do that they have to interpolate (make up) new frames in between the source's original frames. When you see those weird pixely artifacts or where the motion seems to speed up then slow down then speed up again inconsistently, it means the TV did a bad and inconsistent job of interpolating the new frames.

A reason it's called the soap opera effect is because soap operas are shot at 60 frames a second. The 120hz upscaling processing ends up making all content, even films, look like a Soap Opera or reality TV show because of the increased framerate.

If you haven't figured it out already, on the Samsung TV's this processing is called "Auto Motion Plus."

On good TV's you can disable this processing, in which case the TV will stop interpolating new frames and will just multiply the existing framerate until it fills the 120hz (120 fps) framerate.

When people say a TV is 24p compatible, it means that the TV can evenly multiple the 24 frame source to fill its native framerate. For example, 120 / 24 = 5, so the TV just multiples the 24 fps source frames 5 times to fill the native 120fps of the TV. It doesn't have to unevenly divide any frames.

This process of fitting one frame rate into another frame rate is called framerate pulldown.
post #1033 of 2546
I joined up here just to comment on the extreme level of Chicken Little posting here in this thread. Many of the problems that people complained about and others ascribed to the "Garbage" (to use some of the hyperbole in this thread) panels had nothing to do with the panels and in some cases, not even the TV. At the prices these TVs are selling for they are SWEET. I know this is an enthusiast forum, but if you want perfection you have to PAY FOR IT.

Chicolom, you seem to have a balanced/realistic view of the whole situation. Thank you for your knowledge and your willingness to share it.
post #1034 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PacketHauler View Post

I'd have to agree with that assessment. The EH6000 does look better than all of the edge-lit LEDs that I've seen so far, just from a screen uniformity standpoint. I also prefer plasma, but this is a great set for those wanting an energy efficient option and a decent sized set.

I got UN55EH6050 from Costco for $850 and have some of same problems with fuzzy picture. Its been advertized as Rear-Lit LED/LCD.
post #1035 of 2546
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Originally Posted by HongoKiller View Post

Many of the problems that people complained about and others ascribed to the "Garbage" (to use some of the hyperbole in this thread) panels had nothing to do with the panels and in some cases, not even the TV.

Chicolom, you seem to have a balanced/realistic view of the whole situation. Thank you for your knowledge and your willingness to share it.

You're welcome smile.gif
post #1036 of 2546
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Originally Posted by HongoKiller View Post

I joined up here just to comment on the extreme level of Chicken Little posting here in this thread. Many of the problems that people complained about and others ascribed to the "Garbage" (to use some of the hyperbole in this thread) panels had nothing to do with the panels and in some cases, not even the TV. At the prices these TVs are selling for they are SWEET. I know this is an enthusiast forum, but if you want perfection you have to PAY FOR IT.
Chicolom, you seem to have a balanced/realistic view of the whole situation. Thank you for your knowledge and your willingness to share it.

Hey HongoKiller, you could easily be the BB salesguy I spoke with earlier today! LOL! In any case, guilty as charged ;-) I got caught up in the discussion (and the emotion) without really first understanding what I was getting into. Now that I've had a chance to learn a thing or two from those on this thread as well as some outside sources, the issues with the set seem to be resolved. There might be some further tweaks needed but by and large, the picture now looks great, in other words pretty much what I expected when I bought the set. biggrin.gif

So I'll enable Auto Motion Plus when watching Blu-ray discs or live video, like a football or basketball game. For everything else, I'll just disable it. Does that seem like a reasonable strategy?
post #1037 of 2546
My general assessment of the 46eh6000 is that if the motion-blur could be cut in half it would be a great tv. Football games look great(and I imagine basketball as well) because the typical zoomed-out camera view actually makes any blur much less noticeable. Blur becomes the most noticeable when there are a lot of close-up shots with movement, such as in typical network programming/movies. That's also the case on my older 26 inch Sony LCD, but I think it's more noticeable on the new Samsung(not terrible, but noticeable). I'm sure my Dad must notice it considering he is new to LCDs(old crt just crapped out) and he's the primary viewer of this tv, although he hasn't complained about anything. Perhaps with some types of programming the Auto Motion Plus settings could work well, but I have turned it off because my Dad is too much of a novice to be messing around with menu settings. It really would be great if OLED can become mainstream in the next several years so we wouldn't have to deal with any motion crap anymore.
Edited by Kelud - 11/26/12 at 11:27pm
post #1038 of 2546
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Hey HongoKiller, you could easily be the BB salesguy I spoke with earlier today! LOL! In any case, guilty as charged ;-) I got caught up in the discussion (and the emotion) without really first understanding what I was getting into. Now that I've had a chance to learn a thing or two from those on this thread as well as some outside sources, the issues with the set seem to be resolved. There might be some further tweaks needed but by and large, the picture now looks great, in other words pretty much what I expected when I bought the set. biggrin.gif
So I'll enable Auto Motion Plus when watching Blu-ray discs or live video, like a football or basketball game. For everything else, I'll just disable it. Does that seem like a reasonable strategy?
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Hey HongoKiller, you could easily be the BB salesguy I spoke with earlier today! LOL! In any case, guilty as charged ;-) I got caught up in the discussion (and the emotion) without really first understanding what I was getting into. Now that I've had a chance to learn a thing or two from those on this thread as well as some outside sources, the issues with the set seem to be resolved. There might be some further tweaks needed but by and large, the picture now looks great, in other words pretty much what I expected when I bought the set. biggrin.gif
So I'll enable Auto Motion Plus when watching Blu-ray discs or live video, like a football or basketball game. For everything else, I'll just disable it. Does that seem like a reasonable strategy?

I admit, I freaked out when I initially posted regarding this TV. I did post an amended review later on. After extensive testing, I believe all the problems I saw were due to a poorly compressed Uverse signal and the problems that Automotion had dealing with it.
For the price, it is not a bad set. It is a definite step up from my 32" Aquos.

I think with any complex product like this, there is always the feeling or fear that you could have gotten something just a bit better or gotten a better deal.
The manufacturers don't help matters any and the sales staff are not always knowledgeable. There seems to be a large spread of permutations even within the same product line. At the end of the day, we are all only human and make the best decisions we can with limited input.

It seems like regardless of whether I spend a ton of time researching a purchase ( I researched laptops for a year before getting one, once) or going with my gut, there is always some level of buyers remorse.
post #1039 of 2546
I wouldn't worry too much about getting the 65. I got the 65 and it looks fine after tuning. Other than a slight vignetting in the corners, the picture looks very comparable to my 55 lg. Picture quality is pretty subjective, so play around with the settings. Personally I like the movie mode settings, so good luck.
post #1040 of 2546
going to try to take a look at the 65 inch at BB today. I'll be moving from a 58" Panny plasma (it's going somewhere else in the house) if I buy it, but I'm still a little hesitant. The Samsung would be going in my primary viewing area where I watch TV/sports (all HD), movies, and game. The room is pretty light controlled and is usually dark when watching movies.

Anyone moved from a plasma to one of these that has any comments on the difference between the two?
post #1041 of 2546
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Originally Posted by clevername View Post

going to try to take a look at the 65 inch at BB today. I'll be moving from a 58" Panny plasma (it's going somewhere else in the house) if I buy it, but I'm still a little hesitant. The Samsung would be going in my primary viewing area where I watch TV/sports (all HD), movies, and game. The room is pretty light controlled and is usually dark when watching movies.
Anyone moved from a plasma to one of these that has any comments on the difference between the two?

I just happened to do this. I have a Panny UT50 plasma and a Sammy D7000 plasma. Both of them have much better PQ in my opinion. The EH6000 works great in rooms with lots of ambient light and daylight, as it controls reflections very well. But the black levels and motion blur don't hold a candle to the plasmas in a controlled lighting environment. However, I've been happy on input lag while gaming, and it does throw off a lot less heat. Since it's the primary TV my kid uses, it will be savings on my power bill.
post #1042 of 2546
Hey fellas, got a quick question for EH6000 owners.

I recently purchased the 46" version of this set (TS01 panel) and, after some tweaking, I generally love the picture quality. BUT I am having one big problem with shadowing. Most of the time it is barely noticeable, if at all. But when I get a screen that is all one color, especially a white screen, or red, or, God help me, purple, the shadowing becomes extremely bad. All four corners show a shadow going a few inches into the screen, and sometimes there is even a good 3-4" band of shadow running up and down both sides of the TV.

I was able to ameliorate this problem in some situations by turning up the backlight. Putting the gamma at +2 seems to help as well, but then I get a degraded picture.

Anyone have any ideas on this? Is it something that I just have to live with on the set, or is it possible that my set is defective? Thanks in advance for your help.
post #1043 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

Hey fellas, got a quick question for EH6000 owners.
I recently purchased the 46" version of this set (TS01 panel) and, after some tweaking, I generally love the picture quality. BUT I am having one big problem with shadowing. Most of the time it is barely noticeable, if at all. But when I get a screen that is all one color, especially a white screen, or red, or, God help me, purple, the shadowing becomes extremely bad. All four corners show a shadow going a few inches into the screen, and sometimes there is even a good 3-4" band of shadow running up and down both sides of the TV.
I was able to ameliorate this problem in some situations by turning up the backlight. Putting the gamma at +2 seems to help as well, but then I get a degraded picture.
Anyone have any ideas on this? Is it something that I just have to live with on the set, or is it possible that my set is defective? Thanks in advance for your help.

I haven't seen this at all on mine. Not sure what it is - maybe some of the LEDS have failed or are failing?
post #1044 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PacketHauler View Post

I just happened to do this. I have a Panny UT50 plasma and a Sammy D7000 plasma. Both of them have much better PQ in my opinion. The EH6000 works great in rooms with lots of ambient light and daylight, as it controls reflections very well. But the black levels and motion blur don't hold a candle to the plasmas in a controlled lighting environment. However, I've been happy on input lag while gaming, and it does throw off a lot less heat. Since it's the primary TV my kid uses, it will be savings on my power bill.
thanks.

I wasn't blown away at BB by the 6000 units I saw. They had the 60, 55, and one in the 40something range. The smaller two looked better than the 60, but none of them knocked me out. Think I'm just going to wait at this point.
post #1045 of 2546
I was reading in one of the reviews on amazon that UN55EH6030 is only 60hz in 2d. Anyone who bought this tv can confirm (or deny) this?
post #1046 of 2546
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Originally Posted by p51mustang View Post

I haven't seen this at all on mine. Not sure what it is - maybe some of the LEDS have failed or are failing?

Thank you, I suspected that it might be a problem with my set. I suppose the next step is to investigate other inputs to see if it happens with other things besides my cable box.
post #1047 of 2546
Just got my 65" delivered, got the MH01 panel.
Doesn't seem to be any info on this?

Letting the set warm up before I start tinkering with it.
post #1048 of 2546
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Also, what are my chances of actually seeing a demo model on the floor at some point?

The 40" 6000 I bought on Friday was being demoed at the Best Buy I bought it in. It looked better (to me) than all the other TVs around it in the same size/price range.

As far as the people complaining about the 120hz look...it's funny because I feel like I don't get enough of it! Call me weird, but I like the effect it adds. Just makes things "pop" more and adds depth to the picture.

Like someone else said earlier in the topic, I think this series of TVs are fantastic for the price you can get them at now. As said before, if you want the "best" you're gonna have to pay for it. For $500, I couldn't be happier with my purchase.
post #1049 of 2546
Just picked up the UN55EH6050F last night at Costco on the last day of the sale, $1,550 marked down to $850. Didn't like the motion affects or the blacks. The blacks were either on or off. Either it was black or it wasn't with no shades in between. When watching a dark set of people in court it looked like everyone had on a black suit coat or a black dress when they were actually just dark shades of colors.

After using most of the settings from this link, thanks to chicolom, this picture isn't half bad for an $800 55" TV.... Running in movie mode and turning off all the garbage features I can now see colors other than black in the dark scenes. Now hopefully this set will work well with the HTPC I'm about to build. Wish me luck.


http://www.avsforum.com/t/1406151/the-official-2012-samsung-eh4000-eh5000-eh5300-owners-thread/300#post_22368244
post #1050 of 2546
Had the UN65EH6000 set delivered today from Amazon,(great service by the way, on time very courteous) and after letting it warm up to room temp (cold here today) I turned it on and quickly started tweaking and wound up using chicoloms settings for the most part.

It's got a decent picture, not quite as good as my 52" 750 from a few years back but close.
I see no issues right now, and will continue to fine tune to my tastes.
I'm not blown away by the look, but for the price, I think it looks good enough to keep it around.

I did wind up getting an MH01 panel so not sure if that's good,bad or indifferent,

I have to say though, the inputs are really scarce on this set, which I knew going in but I use my Denon receiver for all input switching so shouldn't be an issue.

Is it possible to turn off the tv's speakers? I use my Denon receiver for sound.
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