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post #1111 of 2545
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Originally Posted by p51mustang View Post

Well, maybe I just got a bad panel but so far I have seen nothing but pixellation and screen tearing with this TV.
I don't really care about 3d, smart tv BS or how thin it is, either. I would like a 50 to 55" TV with good picture quality for plain old movie watching (and maybe some gaming by hooking up a PC to it) and preferably don't want to pay more than $1k. I could go as high as $1200, but don't want to spend more than that.
Any specific recommendations given my above preferences?
Hopefully they are not going to give me too hard a time about taking it back.

Have you considered the possibility that your source material may be to blame and not the tv?

It's pretty sad that you are returning this item with zero attempt at trouble shooting.
post #1112 of 2545
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Originally Posted by p51mustang View Post

I just picked up a Samsung UN55EH6001FXZA and so far I'm not happy with it. It has that horrible soap opera/video look and has frequent screen tears and jerkiness with any kind of fast motion. It is driving me nuts. I am so sorry I bought this thing. The 51" looked ok in the store, I had been looking at a Sharp Aquos 52" and was pretty happy with the picture on that, should have just gotten thta. I don't care for this TV at all. Even if I can turn off the image interpolation or whatever is causing the Mexican soap opera look, I'm not sure I'm interested in keeping this set.

This is such a bizarre post. What is the "mexican soap opera look?!?" Are you kidding me? Have you considered the possibility that you can turn off amp?!?
post #1113 of 2545
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Originally Posted by p51mustang View Post

Ok, I set the Digital Noise Reduction back to auto and I think that is what is causing the pixellation and screen tearing. I didn't notice any of that when I had it turned off.
My impressions so far: if you make the adjustments I noted and you're using a good source, it is an ok TV and $800 is I imagine a fair price. Would not pay $1500 based on what I saw out of the box. You'll need to see what you think and if you're happy with the quality. I think I'm going to try and do a return for the Aquos as I was more impressed by that picture in the store.

Have you made even the slightest attempt to calibrate the screen at all?!? Obviously not. Your constant trashing of this tv without any attempt at adjustments is really sad and irresponsible.
post #1114 of 2545
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Originally Posted by shermas View Post

yeah, those reviews sound like they're coming from samsung employees... they're so over the top. i can't believe so many people bought the tv, then went to BB website just to post great reviews. could be true, but.....

OK, let's get this straight. Those rewardzone and silver rewardzone members are ALL samsung employees who have been ordered by management to spend THOUSANDS of dollars at best buy SOLELY for the purpose of writing ONE good review that for a tv that is only going to be on sale for ONE day. Never mind the fact that these reviews will be useless for generating sales since the reviews were posted AFTER Black Friday when these tv's are pulled from the market.

This is an illogical, paranoid conspiracy pseudo-argument. Do you believe your reptilian iguana overlords are responsible for 911 also?
post #1115 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Oddly, someone on this forum contradicts this claim and states that the tv has led motion plus, which I understand is only available on 120 hz tv's on up.

LED motion plus is available on any of them. My EH5000 has it. It's the feature where the TV pulses the backlight to simulate a higher refresh rate. This technique is also known as " backlight scanning". It also cuts the brightness down by about half.


Speaking of LED motion plus, I noticed something funny with its behavior. If you enable it on one picture mode, it actually gets enabled for every picture mode and persistently stays on. If you have it on when you rename an input to "PC" mode, it actually gets "locked-on" in it stays enabled but the menu toggle becomes greyed-out for it. If you switch to another mode or input and disable it, it should turn off again for all the modes.

I turned it on yesterday accidentally and was confused why my picture today was so dim. I didn't know that turning it on for one mode was a global toggle that actually affected all the modes.


The More You Know... smile.gif
Edited by chicolom - 11/30/12 at 5:53am
post #1116 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

OK, let's get this straight. Those rewardzone and silver rewardzone members are ALL samsung employees who have been ordered by management to spend THOUSANDS of dollars at best buy SOLELY for the purpose of writing ONE good review that for a tv that is only going to be on sale for ONE day. Never mind the fact that these reviews will be useless for generating sales since the reviews were posted AFTER Black Friday when these tv's are pulled from the market.
This is an illogical, paranoid conspiracy pseudo-argument. Do you believe your reptilian iguana overlords are responsible for 911 also?
No. Just thought those gushy reviews were funny. Not sure how 9/11 has anything to do with anything. Maybe switch to decaf?

The tv's (near me, anyway) were on sale all weekend...
post #1117 of 2545
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

LED motion plus is available on any of them. My EH5000 has it. It's the "feature" where the TV pulses the backlight to simulate a higher refresh rate. This technique is also known as " backlight scanning". It also cuts the brightness down by about half.
Speaking of LED motion plus, I noticed something funny with it's behavior. If you enable it on one picture mode, it actually gets enabled for every picture mode and persistently stays on. If you have it on when you rename an input to "PC" mode, it actually gets "locked-on" in it stays enabled but the menu toggle becomes greyed-out for it. If you switch to another mode or input and disable it, it should turn off again for all the modes.
I turned it on yesterday accidentally and was confused why my picture today was so dim. I didn't know that turning it on for one mode was a global toggle that actually affected all the modes.
The More You Know... smile.gif

Wow, so the samsung 46" IS a 60 hz tv after all. eek.gif

I've been reading up on strobe backlighting. Any reports on how well it works in practice?

I am disappointed with samsung's lack of clarity in their spec sheet and advertising, and I've been defending them vigorously.
post #1118 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Or, perhaps 1080p monitors from reputable brands generally look excellent when fed an HD source.
The descriptors folks are using in this thread: "lousy" "fuzzy" a picture "tearing" apart seem like exaggeration and hyperbole. What are the odds of avs posters in particular, being hit with bad panels all at once while most everyone else receives a fantastic panel? That seems unlikely. The most likely explanation is that avs posters are explicitly SEARCHING FOR, EXAGGERATING OR EVEN IMAGINING faults in their new tv's.
Notice there are no photos of these fuzzy, lousy, or torn pictures. This is all subjective perception which cannot be perceived among 99.99% of consumers who bought the same tv's and surprisingly, aren't fretting for hours days weeks on end on an internet forum.
edit: to put it another way, if you're going to accuse consumers who disagree with your opinion and enjoy these tv's of being non-discerning, then be prepared for another possible interpretation: perhaps you are too anxiety ridden and negative to enjoy your great tv set, and therefore are predisposed, and perhaps even on a mission to find, or even invent problems with your tv.
What's good for those goose...

My EH6000 turned out to have pretty bad shadowing issues. I'm not going to post a pic but I can tell you that it affects all four corners of the TV and in certain situations runs from top to bottom on both sides of the screen. It typically isn't very noticeable but in certain circumstances it is VERY obvious, to the point where my wife even commented on it (without my prompting). She normally doesn't care at all about this kind of stuff- a TV is a TV so far as she's concerned.

It probably isn't from the panel lottery though. I checked the version when I purchased it and it was TS02 or TH02 (can't remember which exactly). From what I understand these are the "good" panels. So either the "good panels" are total garbage (unlikely) or Samsung's quality control sucks. Neither option is particularly good for them.

Needless to say, this TV is going back and I will be looking at another brand. Not sure I'll buy another Samsung product again after this. I know some have been very happy with these TVs and maybe I just had the bad luck of the draw. I certainly don't mean to crap on people who are happy with their Samsungs--I really tried and wished I could have been happy with mine.
post #1119 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

I've been reading up on strobe backlighting. Any reports on how well it works in practice?
I am disappointed with samsung's lack of clarity in their spec sheet and advertising, and I've been defending them vigorously.

Two main things cause motion blur on LCDs. One is the slow response time and transition periods for the pixels. The other is that LCDs sample and hold an image for the entire duration of the frame, which means no flicker but also can cause the image to "burn-in" on your eye. Because each frame burns in longer on your eye, when it transitions to the next frame the previous frames image is actually still retained on your eye and you perceive blur. CRTs and Plasmas don't hold the frame continuously like LCDs. They pulse or flicker the frame which breaks up the image and prevents the image from burning onto your eye.

Backlight scanning intentionally reintroduces flicker to try and break up the image retention on your eye from the continuously held frame by the LCD.

To be honest I haven't really used it much, so I'm not sure how effective it is. This is mainly because It makes me sad when it kills the brightness frown.gif


Most HDTV makers have a bad track record of listing any actual useful specifications ("1,000,000:1 Dynamic Contrast Ratio FTW !!!) , or if they do they often skew them (like only reporting grey-to-grey response times). And of course, they make up deceptive marketing terms like "CMR".

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Edited by chicolom - 11/29/12 at 11:26pm
post #1120 of 2545
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

My EH6000 turned out to have pretty bad shadowing issues. I'm not going to post a pic but I can tell you that it affects all four corners of the TV and in certain situations runs from top to bottom on both sides of the screen. It typically isn't very noticeable but in certain circumstances it is VERY obvious, to the point where my wife even commented on it (without my prompting). She normally doesn't care at all about this kind of stuff- a TV is a TV so far as she's concerned.
It probably isn't from the panel lottery though. I checked the version when I purchased it and it was TS02 or TH02 (can't remember which exactly). From what I understand these are the "good" panels. So either the "good panels" are total garbage (unlikely) or Samsung's quality control sucks. Neither option is particularly good for them.
Needless to say, this TV is going back and I will be looking at another brand. Not sure I'll buy another Samsung product again after this. I know some have been very happy with these TVs and maybe I just had the bad luck of the draw. I certainly don't mean to crap on people who are happy with their Samsungs--I really tried and wished I could have been happy with mine.

We all appreciate your honesty.

I've had two great looking samsung tv's, but I am going to seriously consider other brands for a larger tv: 46" this time. Perhaps panasonic or sony assuming the price is competitive. I would like to have frame interpolation and 3D as well.

edit: I'm going to have to eat some crow here. Yes, I've had good experiences with samsung tv's, but then again, you guys are referring to 55-65" tv's.

I walk past these jumbo sized monitors every time I walk into a costco. Quite frankly, I think they all look terrible. Even standing far away, 10 feet or more, I just don't see the point of owning one of these sets.

Yes, the screens are much bigger, but there's no point in owning one if you don't like the picture. I think 46-50" is about the limit for an excellent lcd/led tv these days, based on what I've seen.
Edited by johncourt - 11/30/12 at 1:58am
post #1121 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

We all appreciate your honesty.
I've had two great looking samsung tv's, but I am going to seriously consider other brands for a larger tv: 46" this time. Perhaps panasonic or sony assuming the price is competitive. I would like to have frame interpolation and 3D as well.
edit: I'm going to have to eat some crow here. Yes, I've had good experiences with samsung tv's, but then again, you guys are referring to 55-65" tv's.
I walk past these jumbo sized monitors every time I walk into a costco. Quite frankly, I think they all look terrible. Even standing far away, 10 feet or more, I just don't see the point of owning one of these sets.
Yes, the screens are much bigger, but there's no point in owning one if you don't like the picture. I think 46-50" is about the limit for an excellent lcd/led tv these days, based on what I've seen.

They look bad because they are in torch mode. Not a good way to judge PQ. These Samsungs look like crap out of the box and they don't adjust the settings at Costco. Even spending the time to
calibrate it the cheap way (Disney WOW Disk) is a major improvement.
post #1122 of 2545
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Originally Posted by photogold View Post

You didn't answer my questions: What is the source for your information? Are you speculating?
It's OK to speculate, but some readers may interpret your posts as fact. Yes it is possible that they would use cheaper components, but it's also possible that they do not.
Again, what might be happening is that stores like Best Buy want to advertise deep discounts on Black Friday. But they don't want other stores to price match their sales. And Samsung may not want other stores to price match them. So they give them a special black friday model. I think the same thing is going on with the Costco 6050 models. Samsung may not let them advertise a low price unless they have their own unique model. I'm not stating this as fact, I'm speculating:)

And do you have any source for your hypothesis? Yours is as much a speculation as the claim by others that 6001 is inferior.

What if Samsung did cut corners on the 6001 to reduce the cost so that they can afford to sell it at $799. The MSRP is just BS. It is like Art Van's price. A mattress is always on sale at Art Van at 50% off as they mark up the MSRP as $1000 and give 50% off. Most people are aware of that malpractice.

It is very obvious that Samsung is using several manufacturers for the panel as we see evidence of so many version numbers. I guess it either depends on the location of their assembly line or price. I really doubt if Samsung makes sure that all panels are made to the same quality as their panels.

Like someone mentioned before, people may rave about the 6001 mainly because they think they got it at almost half the price. This is all just marketing tactics like Art Van does. The actual manufacturing cost of 6001 or even the 6000 may be like a couple of 100 bucks, you know just like it cost a dollar or so to make a CD but they sell it for $15. There is hardly 1 or 2 songs in the entire CD that is worth listening. People have the option of going for MP3 as it is cheaper but low quality. But those who like high resolution have no choice except buying the CD at inflated price. I stopped buying new CD's long time back. Instead I buy used CD's on Amazon. They are almost like new and only cost 3 or 4 bucks, especially if I want older albums and those that are not blockbusters.

Anyway.... it looks like my hopes of getting the 6000 model for Christmas is fading away as I dont see any signs of the 6000 coming back in stock. The sales guy at BB also said before BF it may not happen as they get the stock for Thanksgiving and thats it. I cant risk ordering it as I wont know what version I will get. May be if I know someone who buys this 6001, I could try those options and see if it looks better and then get the 6001 again. I wish they had a display 6001 model at the store.
post #1123 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

It appears as if a member of this forum took to writing a review on the bestbuy tv:
I purchased this TV thinking I was getting a great deal on a 120Hz TV that was also 3D capable.
The advertising is very deceiving. This TV is only 120 Hz for 3D mode. It is 60 Hz in 2D!!!
See confirmation from Samsung below:
"Your Issue ID for this chat is XXXXXXXXXX.
Princess: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung Technical Support. How can I help you today?
You: What is the panel refresh rate in 2d for the UN46EH6030?
You: The spec sheet does not say for 2d. It says "120Hz Panel refresh rate (in 3D mode)"
Princess: Please give me a few minutes while I check on it.
Princess: It's 240Hz.
You: I saw that that was the clear motion rate, but that is different from the actual panel refresh rate.

Princess: Let me correct my information that I gave you. The default refresh rate is 60Hz.
Princess: We have not heard from you. Do you wish to continue the chat?
Princess: It appears that you have been away from your computer for an extended period of time or that your questions have already been answered. To assist another customer who has been waiting, I need to close our chat conversation. I apologize for any inconvenience. If you have any further queries, please contact us again through Live Chat with the ticket ID XXX."

Oddly, someone on this forum contradicts this claim and states that the tv has led motion plus, which I understand is only available on 120 hz tv's on up.


Another member also did a follow up on bestbuy:

It came to my attention The review below mine says the TV is only 60Hz in 2D but the full 120Hz in 3D. THAT IS FALSE
info: Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.
info: You are now chatting with 'Griffin'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.
info: Your Issue ID for this chat is ?????????????????
Griffin: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung tech support. How can I help you today?
Visitor: Hello, I recently purchased a TV, UN46EH6030FXZA and it is advertised as a 120hz refresh rate but it has come to my attention that refresh rate is only for 3D but not the 2D. Can you help me? is the 2D viewing 60Hz or 120Hz?
Griffin: I understand that you want to know the HZ that supports for 2D on the TV. Is that correct?
Visitor: that is correct
Griffin: Sure, I will help you with your request.
Visitor: thank you, Griffin
Griffin: Would you mind holding a few minutes while I gather the required information for your request?
Visitor: Not a problem
Griffin: Thank you.
Griffin: Thanks for holding. I appreciate your time and patience.
Griffin: Since this TV is designed to be operated in 120Hz, there is no option of “Turning Off or On” the 120Hz. It is always on. The info button displays the frequency of the source and not the TV itself. The TV automatically converts the 60Hz received from the source to 120Hz.
Visitor: Okay, so at no point will I ever see the 60hz rate? it gets bumped up to 120hz, correct?
Visitor: it comes in as 60hz but I see the bumped up 120hz ?
Griffin: Yes, you are correct.
post #1124 of 2545
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I agree with all of this. I don't know how anyone can make judgements about the picture quality based off a source like Cable and not hooked up to a PC or Blu-Ray player looking at consistent images at native resolution. When people say the picture is soft or fuzzy, that doesn't mean anything to me because I don't know if their source is fuzzy.
I have a suspicion that a lot of the people that complain that the picture is "washed out" are people who haven't changed the Black Level setting to "low". Mine was set to "Normal" by default which looks for 0-255 levels, but that is not the correct setting for the majority of sources that uses 16-235 video levels. If you don't set the black level to "low" it will always looked washed out with a 16-235 source (which most sources are).
This should only be a concern if you have a RGB signal at 16-235. A YCbCr signal should grey out the black level option because the TV knows it is a 16-235 signal and sets the black level to "low" automatically. So if your black level is greyed out, don't worry about it.

Hey Chicolom, is there a link to your settings for this TV? I could not find it and someone talked about them. Thanks smile.gif
post #1125 of 2545
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

sounds like you are referring to backlight/vertical banding, which is normal on these sets
It was on my TS02 EH5000 and TS02 EH6000 and is there to a lesser extent on my TS01 EH6030. I think it was the worst on the EH5000.

"Vertical banding" sounds like an accurate description, although I'd add that sometimes the corners are just dark (not "vertical" in the sense that it doesn't go up and down the entire screen). It ends up making me feel like I have tunnel vision or something because there's kind of an oval of darkness around the edge of the picture.

I dunno, maybe LED TVs just aren't for me. I find it hard to believe that this is a generic issue present in all LED sets because none of them would be watchable if that were the case. And I specifically went for the EH6000 model because it was backlit, which is supposed to have less uniformity issues than an edge lit model. I really think my TV is worse than others so I'm going to return it. The only thing holding me back right now is I don't know if I should try another TV of the same model, a different Samsung TV, or a different brand altogether. I am leaning towards the latter but it sounds like I might still run into the same issues or possibly even worse.
post #1126 of 2545
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Originally Posted by clutchm3 View Post

Hey Chicolom, is there a link to your settings for this TV? I could not find it and someone talked about them. Thanks smile.gif
look down... smile.gif
post #1127 of 2545
Re-posting this one more time as it's been a few days since I got my 55" set and I had a few comments to add. I'm very sorry to hear many of you are having issues with your new EH6 Series sets but I'm here to say I'm VERY happy with mine with just a little tweaking. (And no, I don't work for Best Buy or Samsung). I'm just a guy looking for a decent TV to watch football, programs and movies on!

As noted by a couple others previously, (see page 32) a couple of the differences in the 2 models (UN55EH6001 & UN55EH6000) are very slight and vary in the component and composite jacks available. From my understanding, unless you're using an old school VCR unit, you don't need the composite jack anyway. Also the EH6001 doesn't have a lighted remote. I have ALL of the mentioned settings controls I've seen posted about the EH6000 model as well. What's actually INSIDE, I have no way of knowing nor would it probably mean much to me to know which brand diode or capacitor is being used. I noted the panel below. From the BB website, I coped the specs on the jacks. Everything else shown in the specs was identical:

Model: UN55EH6000FXZA (SKU: 4834412) $879.99 Regular Sale Price
Inputs: Include 2 HDMI, 1 component video and 1 composite.

Model: UN55EH6001FXZA (SKU: 6846823) $799.99 Black Friday Price
Inputs: Include 2 HDMI and 1 component video.

Also, note that on Thanksgiving Day, I watched as Amazon dropped their $879.99 price on the UN55EH6000FXZA model to $799.99 until they sold out (quickly) so I'm not personally convinced of the "superior" evaluations of the EH6000 based on price alone. I never bother paying attention to MSRP or % savings ads so that's a zero factor for me...sales tactics which are centuries old.

So after much consideration (and ad nauseum debate with myself for the last 7 days) about the panel discussion in this thread, I went back to my local BB yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and pulled the trigger on the UN55EH6001 model noted above at $799...partially because of the extended return policy until January 24th but mostly because of the price. (insert cheap bastard disclaimer here) While I was a bit anxious from what I had read here, I simply couldn't resist the $799 price tag. I grabbed an AH01 panel (instead of a CH01 panel; the only choices) figuring the worst case scenario was to return it. I KNEW going in this was not the top of the line set of $3,000-$4,000+ quality but I never expected to be quite as pleased as I am with my purchase.

All I can say is perhaps I'm partially blind and/or exceedingly numb (both distinct possibilities!) but the set has far exceeded my expectations already and I'm personally tickled pink with it! I messed with the settings using various suggestions posted on here (Thanks to all who posted them!!) and then tweaked them to my personal viewing tastes and it's simply gorgeous. Quite honestly, it really wasn't even that "bad" coming right out of the box when I turned it on! I have none of the aforementioned issues except for initially some very slight soap opera effect while watching a DVD (on a crappy and old $20 unit using an RCA connection I might add) which once I changed the Auto Motion setting, it was gone! (I'm sure a decent DVD/BR player and HDMI connection would also help). Quite accidentally, I set the sound to 'movie' mode and it was more than fine for me. Sure, external speakers would be better but no way would I call it bad sound from the set once you tweak the settings.

At the moment, I'm still playing around a little more with the settings for my personal tastes. I checked with Samsung about the software and it's current (1018.1) and overall I'm more than pleased with my purchase. I also checked all the details on the set with the Type Number and it is what it is. I have nothing but OTA broadcast (in HD) so there's no rabbit up my sleeve here, Rocky! I'm nothing but a novice first timer with these flat screen LED TVs but for the average Joe like me, looking for a great quality picture with no frills like 3D or Smart TV, this baby ROCKS!

Seriously, for me, $800 for 55" of Basic Samsung LED 1080p at 120hz?!? SOLD!
post #1128 of 2545
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I think the 6030 is likely 60Hz (at least in 2D) since there is no AMP 120Hz feature like on the 6000 and the service menu code indicates a 60Hz panel while the service menu code for the 6000 indicates a 120Hz panel. That being said, I don't think this set does 2:3 pulldown for 24fps sources since the motion in movies appears quite a bit smoother than it did on the EH5000 when sending a 1080/24p or 1080/60i signal to the TV. I would like to get to the bottom of this matter so is there any way to measure the refresh rate of a display with a camera/meter/other device?

There have been several posts indicating that this tv is in fact 60 hz; it uses a backlight strobe, not frame interpolation to reduce motion blur. The tradeoff is reduced screen brightness.

Samsung does not seem particularly keen on revealing this fact.
post #1129 of 2545
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

johncourt, which EH series model do you own and what panel version do you have? what is your overall impression of that set?

plasma, I don't have a un series tv. I was considering, strongly considering the bby 3d 46" TV, which is why I'm reading this thread so carefully. From what I can gather, the feature set I want (amp, 3D, 46") will cost me quite a bit more than the $900 or so I'm willing to spend.

I currently have a 40" samsung ln series tv. It looks great, with some minor issues. But I want a more 'cinematic' feel hence my desire for a bigger screen. Given the large number of complaints about this series, I am holding off on purchasing.
post #1130 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

There have been several posts indicating that this tv is in fact 60 hz; it uses a backlight strobe, not frame interpolation to reduce motion blur. The tradeoff is reduced screen brightness.
Samsung does not seem particularly keen on revealing this fact.

I'm pretty sure the backlight scanning is disabled by default just like with other EH sets.
post #1131 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Mupi View Post

And do you have any source for your hypothesis? Yours is as much a speculation as the claim by others that 6001 is inferior.

Yes, and if you read my post, I said that I was speculating.
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

......I cannot prove this.....

Thank you for admitting that you were speculating.

Samsung will do what's in their best interests. Maybe they can cut costs by eliminating some features or inputs, but it is not in their best interests to sell sub-standard junk that people will return to the store, return under warranty, alienate customers, and damage their reputation. Companies always try to get a low price when they buy components, but they still need to meet their quality standards. I can't see a business strategy where the Samsung CEO meets with the VP of manufacturing and says "Hey, Black Friday is coming up, let's find a bunch of cheap, unreliable components, and we can stick it to those stupid BF shoppers."
post #1132 of 2545
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Originally Posted by mainejeepman View Post

Re-posting this one more time as it's been a few days since I got my 55" set and I had a few comments to add. I'm very sorry to hear many of you are having issues with your new EH6 Series sets but I'm here to say I'm VERY happy with mine with just a little tweaking. (And no, I don't work for Best Buy or Samsung). I'm just a guy looking for a decent TV to watch football, programs and movies on!
As noted by a couple others previously, (see page 32) a couple of the differences in the 2 models (UN55EH6001 & UN55EH6000) are very slight and vary in the component and composite jacks available. From my understanding, unless you're using an old school VCR unit, you don't need the composite jack anyway. Also the EH6001 doesn't have a lighted remote. I have ALL of the mentioned settings controls I've seen posted about the EH6000 model as well. What's actually INSIDE, I have no way of knowing nor would it probably mean much to me to know which brand diode or capacitor is being used. I noted the panel below. From the BB website, I coped the specs on the jacks. Everything else shown in the specs was identical:
Model: UN55EH6000FXZA (SKU: 4834412) $879.99 Regular Sale Price
Inputs: Include 2 HDMI, 1 component video and 1 composite.
Model: UN55EH6001FXZA (SKU: 6846823) $799.99 Black Friday Price
Inputs: Include 2 HDMI and 1 component video.
Also, note that on Thanksgiving Day, I watched as Amazon dropped their $879.99 price on the UN55EH6000FXZA model to $799.99 until they sold out (quickly) so I'm not personally convinced of the "superior" evaluations of the EH6000 based on price alone. I never bother paying attention to MSRP or % savings ads so that's a zero factor for me...sales tactics which are centuries old.
So after much consideration (and ad nauseum debate with myself for the last 7 days) about the panel discussion in this thread, I went back to my local BB yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and pulled the trigger on the UN55EH6001 model noted above at $799...partially because of the extended return policy until January 24th but mostly because of the price. (insert cheap bastard disclaimer here) While I was a bit anxious from what I had read here, I simply couldn't resist the $799 price tag. I grabbed an AH01 panel (instead of a CH01 panel; the only choices) figuring the worst case scenario was to return it. I KNEW going in this was not the top of the line set of $3,000-$4,000+ quality but I never expected to be quite as pleased as I am with my purchase.
All I can say is perhaps I'm partially blind and/or exceedingly numb (both distinct possibilities!) but the set has far exceeded my expectations already and I'm personally tickled pink with it! I messed with the settings using various suggestions posted on here (Thanks to all who posted them!!) and then tweaked them to my personal viewing tastes and it's simply gorgeous. Quite honestly, it really wasn't even that "bad" coming right out of the box when I turned it on! I have none of the aforementioned issues except for initially some very slight soap opera effect while watching a DVD (on a crappy and old $20 unit using an RCA connection I might add) which once I changed the Auto Motion setting, it was gone! (I'm sure a decent DVD/BR player and HDMI connection would also help). Quite accidentally, I set the sound to 'movie' mode and it was more than fine for me. Sure, external speakers would be better but no way would I call it bad sound from the set once you tweak the settings.
At the moment, I'm still playing around a little more with the settings for my personal tastes. I checked with Samsung about the software and it's current (1018.1) and overall I'm more than pleased with my purchase. I also checked all the details on the set with the Type Number and it is what it is. I have nothing but OTA broadcast (in HD) so there's no rabbit up my sleeve here, Rocky! I'm nothing but a novice first timer with these flat screen LED TVs but for the average Joe like me, looking for a great quality picture with no frills like 3D or Smart TV, this baby ROCKS!
Seriously, for me, $800 for 55" of Basic Samsung LED 1080p at 120hz?!? SOLD!

mainejeepman - I've been pretty happy with mine as well. Mine also has the AH01 panel. To add slightly to your post:

  1. Another difference between the 6000 and 6001 is a Samsung-only spec they call "Clear Motion Rate." For the 6001, it's 120. For the 6000 it's 240. Many people seem to think that CMR is mostly marketing hype, so this is probably not important.
  2. All the posts I'd seen about the 6000 led me to believe they came with the TS01 or TS02 panel. But the version the Best Buy salesperson rolled out on a handtruck last night said very clearly on the box: AH03. So it seems that even the "standard" models are now using panels from AUO. This could be because of increased production volumes needed to meet the holiday demand, or it could indicate a general shift in how they manufacture. Either way, I walked out of the store without a new set, but with $200 more in my bank account.

With the decision to let it ride a bit with my 6001, I also decided to try out Chicolom's settings for "Standard" and "Movie" mode, so when I got home from the store, I sat down and applied them. They still may not be optimal for my particular TV and lighting conditions but to my eyes they were an improvement over what I had before. So my next questions is - can anyone recommend a good calibration tool? I don't have a Blu-ray burner so not sure I can use AVS 709. Is there a decent product in the general market? Disney WOW? Any others?
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"Vertical banding" sounds like an accurate description, although I'd add that sometimes the corners are just dark (not "vertical" in the sense that it doesn't go up and down the entire screen). It ends up making me feel like I have tunnel vision or something because there's kind of an oval of darkness around the edge of the picture.
I dunno, maybe LED TVs just aren't for me. I find it hard to believe that this is a generic issue present in all LED sets because none of them would be watchable if that were the case. And I specifically went for the EH6000 model because it was backlit, which is supposed to have less uniformity issues than an edge lit model. I really think my TV is worse than others so I'm going to return it. The only thing holding me back right now is I don't know if I should try another TV of the same model, a different Samsung TV, or a different brand altogether. I am leaning towards the latter but it sounds like I might still run into the same issues or possibly even worse.
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sounds like you are referring to backlight/vertical banding, which is normal on these sets (unless it's very bad on yours)
It was on my TS02 EH5000 and TS02 EH6000 and is there to a lesser extent on my TS01 EH6030. I think it was the worst on the EH5000.

It's called vignetting, and it's normal for these sets to have some degree of it. Photographers even like to use vignetting as a subtle effect on photos. My guess is that it is a side effect of both the slim bezel (especially at the corners), and/or not enough LEDs in the very corners of the screen to light it as bright as the center. It''s not a generic issue present in all LED sets, because not all LED sets use same backlighting configuration.

The EH most likely still does have better uniformity then edge lit models. Edge lit models would suffer from something worse, which is uneven uniformity on all black screens. To me, that is a much more obvious visual defect, and I would gladly trade minor vignetting (that I have to go out of my way to look for) then uneven flashlighting and clouding on dark or black screens that is impossible to ignore. My EH5000 has very good black levels, AND very good uniformity on black screens, and I appreciate the heck out of that.


To say that a TV is unwatchable because of minor vignetting seems ridiculous to me.
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I really doubt if Samsung makes sure that all panels are made to the same quality as their panels.

Why wouldn't they? Do you really think they just buy a batch of cheap panels from a factory in Cheapping, China and hope for the best?

Actually, if you think about it, the Samsung panels that they manufacture themselves should be the cheapest because there is no markup, they don't have to buy them. And who is to say that "some" of the panels from 2nd source vendors are not better quality than their own panels? Some companies may do nothing else but make flat panels, so they should be good at it if they want to stay in business

I work in electronics and my company is very successful and a leader in the field. We buy 99% of our components, including at times flat panels. We cannot buy components unless the vendor is on our approved list. We audit the factory, and we check the components. If a vendor doesn't meet our standards, they are out.
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Hi all - My friend bought the UN55EH6001 on Black Friday and it's being delivered today.

Just been quickly reading thru the thread here - would Chicolom's settings be a good start for this TV?

Its been some years since I've been keeping up w/ the lastest info on TVs. I still have my Panny Plasma 42PZ85U I bought in 2008 and I remember having to do a burn-in break in disc (whether it was needed or not, I did it anyway), but I'm not at all familiar w/ the new LED TV's so is there anything my friend needs to know to start off?

He has a simple set up - just going to hook up his cable TV and a Blu-ray player. I'm thinking it should be pretty simple to connect the HDMI to the Blu player and TV cable to the TV.

Thanks for any advice.
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Originally Posted by mbnzgrl View Post

Just been quickly reading thru the thread here - would Chicolom's settings be a good start for this TV?


They worked OK for me, but I'm certainly open to other ideas and especially interested in what calibration tools are out there that are fairly straightforward to use.

Good luck and I'll certainly share anything I find out from other resources.
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With the decision to let it ride a bitewith my 6001, I also decided to try out Chicolom's settings for "Standard" and "Movie" mode, so when I got home from the store, I sat down and applied them. They still may not be optimal for my particular TV and lighting conditions but to my eyes they were an improvement over what I had before. So my next questions is - can anyone recommend a good calibration tool? I don't have a Blu-ray burner so not sure I can use AVS 709. Is there a decent product in the general market? Disney WOW? Any others?

You don't need a bluburner for the 709 test disc. There's a DVD version available which is what I used. Worked great.
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mainejeepman - I've been pretty happy with mine as well. Mine also has the AH01 panel. To add slightly to your post:
All the posts I'd seen about the 6000 led me to believe they came with the TS01 or TS02 panel. But the version the Best Buy salesperson rolled out on a handtruck last night said very clearly on the box: AH03. So it seems that even the "standard" models are now using panels from AUO. This could be because of increased production volumes needed to meet the holiday demand, or it could indicate a general shift in how they manufacture.

EH6000s have alwaysbeen using at least 4 different panels, including the Axxx ones, so it's nothing new.
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Originally Posted by mbnzgrl View Post

Hi all - My friend bought the UN55EH6001 on Black Friday and it's being delivered today.
Just been quickly reading thru the thread here - would Chicolom's settings be a good start for this TV? Thanks for any advice.

A great start for sure I think and also check out TigerDave's post #819 back on Page 28 as he compiled a bunch of people's setting all on one spread sheet which you can download and print out as a nice guide. I wrote in Chicolm's and Plasma's in the blank spaces of the sheet after. I never ended up using every one of anyone's particular settings but it was a great start before I tweaked it to my personal preferences. You'll see a lot of the common settings once you get them all side by side in the spreadsheet which was very helpful especially in the Advanced Settings section. It's also quite interesting to me to see some of the major differences in settings proving just how subjective and personal these preferences are to each of us.
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EH6000s have alwaysbeen using at least 4 different panels, including the Axxx ones, so it's nothing new.

Thanks for the clarification!
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