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post #1141 of 2546
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

mainejeepman - I've been pretty happy with mine as well. Mine also has the AH01 panel. To add slightly to your post:
  1. Another difference between the 6000 and 6001 is a Samsung-only spec they call "Clear Motion Rate." For the 6001, it's 120. For the 6000 it's 240. Many people seem to think that CMR is mostly marketing hype, so this is probably not important.
  2. All the posts I'd seen about the 6000 led me to believe they came with the TS01 or TS02 panel. But the version the Best Buy salesperson rolled out on a handtruck last night said very clearly on the box: AH03. So it seems that even the "standard" models are now using panels from AUO. This could be because of increased production volumes needed to meet the holiday demand, or it could indicate a general shift in how they manufacture. Either way, I walked out of the store without a new set, but with $200 more in my bank account.
With the decision to let it ride a bit with my 6001, I also decided to try out Chicolom's settings for "Standard" and "Movie" mode, so when I got home from the store, I sat down and applied them. They still may not be optimal for my particular TV and lighting conditions but to my eyes they were an improvement over what I had before. So my next questions is - can anyone recommend a good calibration tool? I don't have a Blu-ray burner so not sure I can use AVS 709. Is there a decent product in the general market? Disney WOW? Any others?

Have you tried a basic calibration disc such as disney's WOW? As a total novice, I found it pretty easy to use. You can go through a very basic calibration, or through a more comprehensive calibration, depending upon how much time you want to invest, and your level of interest.

Oddly, I found my non calibrated settings preferential initially, but now I use the calibrated settings more often than not.
post #1142 of 2546
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Edited by nwener - 11/30/12 at 4:35pm
post #1143 of 2546
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

EH6000s have alwaysbeen using at least 4 different panels, including the Axxx ones, so it's nothing new.
DOES THE 50 INCH EH6000 COME WITH A VERSION TS02 SAMSUNG PANEL? Or just one of the other panels? I don't want to waste time looking for something that doesn't exist. And which other panel would be recommended the most instead of the Samsung panel?
post #1144 of 2546
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

DOES THE 50 INCH EH6000 COME WITH A VERSION TS02 SAMSUNG PANEL? Or just one of the other panels? I don't want to waste time looking for something that doesn't exist. And which other panel would be recommended the most instead of the Samsung panel?

I think that the S-LCD company doesn't manufacturer 50" S-PVA panels, in which case Samsung would use other vendors to supply the panel. I remember reading that either the 50 or 55" didn't use S-PVAs, and I think it was the 50". They also don't make 37 or 39" S-PVAs.

AU Optronics would be preferable to Chi Mei. I don't know about the Sharp panels.
post #1145 of 2546
Fwiw, the 6001 model wasn't a Best Buy only model. Target also had them. A Black Friday model maybe, but definitely not Best Buy only. Target wasn't marking that thing down much at all and had them priced at $995.00.

I picked up a 55" 6030 at BB on Black Friday for $947 + tax (minus a $20 statement credit from AMEX). It's a TH01 panel so Samsung made and it's great. I used a combination of various settings others have posted in this thread and the PQ is very good. I don't have much use for the 3D but figured it couldn't hurt, plus it came with 2 sets of glasses. TV is excellent imo. Just my .02.
post #1146 of 2546
Hi everyone, new member here. I recently bought the 46EH6000 from Amazon during the black friday/ cyber monday discounts. I am happy with it so far, but I think it is defective so I am hoping someone here can give me input.

When the screen is displaying bright (or light) colors, I notice a very thin vertical line down the screen. The line seems to show the color of what is being displayed. When the line shows, it looks as if there are two separate screens with the vertical line being the seam. At the same time there is a visible difference in contrast between the "two screens." I am not knowledgeable when it comes to large lcd screens, but it definitely seems like a defect. Just wondering if anyone knows what I am talking about.

For what it's worth my panel is CS01
post #1147 of 2546
What up guys. Thanks for all of the great info in here... especially chicolom whose info I relied on a lot to do research

I ordered a 46" 6000 from Sears online yesterday for $750 (wish i would have known which tv to get a week ago and saved $100, oh well) and when I went to pick it up they came rolling out with a CS-02 version. I asked the skater dude employee to hook me up and go look in the stockroom for a TS version. He came back 5 mins later and said the 1st one he brought was the only CS version in the stockroom and all the rest were TS.... so big win for me!

I would have had no clue without this forum so thanks again.

The picture looked ok for out of the box, I can't wait to tweak it. I checked the service menu and it was an A1 panel (Samsung).

Too bad its a Christmas present so it went back into the box for a few weeks! :-(
post #1148 of 2546
There is another review on this tv (46"3D tv) on bestbuy.com. This reviewer has copied and pasted a transcript of a chat session with a samsung rep as well, apparently confirming that the tv is 120 hz in 2D:


It came to my attention The review below mine says the TV is only 60Hz in 2D but the full 120Hz in 3D. THAT IS FALSE
info: Please wait for a Samsung Agent to respond.
info: You are now chatting with 'Griffin'. There will be a brief survey at the end of our chat to share feedback on my performance today.
info: Your Issue ID for this chat is ?????????????????
Griffin: Hi, thanks for reaching out to Samsung tech support. How can I help you today?
Visitor: Hello, I recently purchased a TV, UN46EH6030FXZA and it is advertised as a 120hz refresh rate but it has come to my attention that refresh rate is only for 3D but not the 2D. Can you help me? is the 2D viewing 60Hz or 120Hz?
Griffin: I understand that you want to know the HZ that supports for 2D on the TV. Is that correct?
Visitor: that is correct
Griffin: Sure, I will help you with your request.
Visitor: thank you, Griffin
Griffin: Would you mind holding a few minutes while I gather the required information for your request?
Visitor: Not a problem
Griffin: Thank you.
Griffin: Thanks for holding. I appreciate your time and patience.
Griffin: Since this TV is designed to be operated in 120Hz, there is no option of “Turning Off or On” the 120Hz. It is always on. The info button displays the frequency of the source and not the TV itself. The TV automatically converts the 60Hz received from the source to 120Hz.
Visitor: Okay, so at no point will I ever see the 60hz rate? it gets bumped up to 120hz, correct?
Visitor: it comes in as 60hz but I see the bumped up 120hz ?
Griffin: Yes, you are correct.


However, it is not a frame interpolation set, using a backlight strobe instead. Is there a tv similar to this one with frame interpolation (auto motion plus) at a similar price?
post #1149 of 2546
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Originally Posted by mainejeepman View Post

A great start for sure I think and also check out TigerDave's post #819 back on Page 28 as he compiled a bunch of people's setting all on one spread sheet which you can download and print out as a nice guide.
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Have you tried a basic calibration disc such as disney's WOW? As a total novice, I found it pretty easy to use. You can go through a very basic calibration, or through a more comprehensive calibration, depending upon how much time you want to invest, and your level of interest.

Both great suggestions, thanks. I had seen that spreadsheet a while back, but forgot about it and will defnitely check it out. Did download the DVD version of AVS 709 and will burn the DVD and try it out this morning. I may have to go out and buy some color filters, but I think they're inexpensive. If AVS 709 doesn't pan out for any reason (like if it's for experts only and I can't figure it out) I'll order Disney WOW.
post #1150 of 2546
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Originally Posted by tylerSC View Post

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

EH6000s have alwaysbeen using at least 4 different panels, including the Axxx ones, so it's nothing new.
DOES THE 50 INCH EH6000 COME WITH A VERSION TS02 SAMSUNG PANEL? Or just one of the other panels? I don't want to waste time looking for something that doesn't exist. And which other panel would be recommended the most instead of the Samsung panel?

Don't know the answer to your question, but here's a data point. I purchased a UN50EH6000 at BB on Veteran's Day early in their sale at $799.99. At that time, they had 6 in stock, and all were CH01 panels - including the one I bought. I have checked back since T-Day weekend to see if they have other panels, but they have long been sold out. Beyond your question, just an FYI - I really like the TV I got. I have played around with setting recommendations from the forum that give me great displays, but honestly even the default settings out of the box were not bad. My personal reference for flat panels is my main TV, which for the past 4+ years has been a Sammy LN52A650. My whole family loves that TV and still raves about the picture 4 years later. No one who has watched our new UN50EH6000 panel haas made comments about it being any worse than the old TV.

What I'd like to see on this forum are voting buttons for people with panels from different manufacturers where we can get some quantitative evidence of whether bad panels are a % of the overall Samsung lot, regardless of manufacturer, or whether there are higher % of bad panels with certain manufacturers. For now, I consider myself in one of two situations - either I got lucky because I bought a CH01 panel and got a great TV, or there really are not more problems with CH01 panels or any other type - and I still got a great TV.

I don't have enough expereince on AVS to know how to set up voting buttons. But maybe I'll take the time to learn - or maybe someone else can take the initiative. This tghread's conversations and opinions have been great and informative, but it's time to put some real numbers on the "panel lottery" theory and see if it's real.
post #1151 of 2546
Hello everyone. New to the AVS Forums. I also bought the $799 Best Buy Black Friday special. It was sold out online last night and in stores so I was rather disappointed but then checked again this morning and now in stock !!

What are the optimal calibration settings I should use for this LED TV?

Jason
post #1152 of 2546
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Originally Posted by jmiller284 View Post

Hello everyone. New to the AVS Forums. I also bought the $799 Best Buy Black Friday special. It was sold out online last night and in stores so I was rather disappointed but then checked again this morning and now in stock !!
What are the optimal calibration settings I should use for this LED TV?
Jason

What panel did you get? CHxx, TSxx, etc?
post #1153 of 2546
Anyone know what I'm talking about with my issue in my previous post? I took a picture.
The vertical line is clearly visible and there is a noticable difference in the contrast between the two sides.

post #1154 of 2546
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

I think that the S-LCD company doesn't manufacturer 50" S-PVA panels, in which case Samsung would use other vendors to supply the panel. I remember reading that either the 50 or 55" didn't use S-PVAs, and I think it was the 50". They also don't make 37 or 39" S-PVAs.
AU Optronics would be preferable to Chi Mei. I don't know about the Sharp panels.

Where is the Data for such a Bold statement, that AU Optronics would be preferable to Chi Mei? I have a CS01 Version and it looks Great. According to the Statements on the Forum, It looks like I need to Throw my TV in the Garbage.
Edited by rwalsh - 12/1/12 at 9:27am
post #1155 of 2546
Hey guys and gals, I just purchased the exclusive BB Samsung UN55EH6001F. I don't know if anyone has it hooked up to a PC via HDMI but if you go to the input label's in the menu of the TV and change it to DVI/PC or PC, you will get a much better picture when connected to a PC using 1920x1080p. But note that once you change to this input you will be restricted from doing major changes in the picture options.
post #1156 of 2546
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Originally Posted by mega129 View Post

What panel did you get? CHxx, TSxx, etc?


How would you know what panel you got? Any area I should be looking at on the TV?
post #1157 of 2546
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Originally Posted by yesem View Post

How would you know what panel you got? Any area I should be looking at on the TV?

On the box or behind the tv where the serial number and other numbers are. It is the one labelled "Version"
post #1158 of 2546
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Both great suggestions, thanks. I had seen that spreadsheet a while back, but forgot about it and will defnitely check it out. Did download the DVD version of AVS 709 and will burn the DVD and try it out this morning. I may have to go out and buy some color filters, but I think they're inexpensive. If AVS 709 doesn't pan out for any reason (like if it's for experts only and I can't figure it out) I'll order Disney WOW.

I have used AVS 709 on all my TV's,(Pioneer Plasma,SamsungPlasma, and my Wife's UN46EH6000. It work really well and an improvement in the Picture is obtainable.
post #1159 of 2546
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Originally Posted by dave0021 View Post

On the box or behind the tv where the serial number and other numbers are. It is the one labelled "Version"

It Says AH01, I would also like to calibrate the TV but don't know where to start. Any idea's on which calibration tool is suitable for this type of panel?

Thanks in advance.
post #1160 of 2546
FYI changing the 6030 type from 40A6AF6D(60 Hz) to 40A1AF6D(120 Hz) reverses the picture left to right. Tried to google the correct code before I quit service menu and got the wrong answer.

ETA: Just wanted to see what was in the service menu and inadvertently changed type.
post #1161 of 2546
Regarding the CS01 panel AND NOT THE CH01 - personally, I think the CS01 is a diamond in the rough. Even though it's manufactured by Chi Mei, the S-MVA technology seems to produce a better overall picture than the version TS01 eh6030 and version TS02 es6100 (Yes, I've tested all three TV's). Hence, I decided to keep my CS01 46eh6000. I understand I may be comparing apples to oranges, but the fully calibrated picture on my version CS01 un46eh6000 is unbelievable. Also, whoever posted the conversation with a samsung rep regarding the 6030 - IT DOES IN FACT only operate at 120hz when viewing 3D content. I'm pretty sure plasma verified this. I also was able to just tell by the differences I noted when playing xbox 360 on the 6030 versus playing on my current 6000.
Edited by thelawson07 - 12/1/12 at 10:08am
post #1162 of 2546
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Originally Posted by yesem View Post

It Says AH01, I would also like to calibrate the TV but don't know where to start. Any idea's on which calibration tool is suitable for this type of panel?
Thanks in advance.
See this post
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/420#post_22233258
post #1163 of 2546
Is there a fix for ps3 overscan on the 6030? Screen fit only helps a little.
post #1164 of 2546
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Originally Posted by BMason View Post

What I'd like to see on this forum are voting buttons for people with panels from different manufacturers where we can get some quantitative evidence of whether bad panels are a % of the overall Samsung lot, regardless of manufacturer, or whether there are higher % of bad panels with certain manufacturers. For now, I consider myself in one of two situations - either I got lucky because I bought a CH01 panel and got a great TV, or there really are not more problems with CH01 panels or any other type - and I still got a great TV.
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Originally Posted by rwalsh View Post

Where is the Data for such a Bold statement, that AU Optronics would be preferable to Chi Mei? I have a CS01 Version and it looks Great. According to the Statements on the Forum, It looks like I need to Throw my TV in the Garbage.
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

it's not just about the company making the panel, but also the panel tech employed
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Originally Posted by thelawson07 View Post

Regarding the CS01 panel AND NOT THE CH01 - personally, I think the CS01 is a diamond in the rough. Even though it's manufactured by Chi Mei, the S-MVA technology seems to produce a better overall picture than the version TS01 eh6030 and version TS02 es6100 (Yes, I've tested all three TV's). Hence, I decided to keep my CS01 46eh6000. .



Some people on the forum have gotten carried away and let themselves develop an automatic prejudice about certain panels and a bias towards others. This is clearly evidenced by the number of people casually referring to some panels as "the bad panels", "the garbage panels", etc.


If you want to get your hands on a certain LCD panel, that's fine, but please try to stop badmouthing the other panels and vendors so much. It only perpetuates spreading more preconceived biases in people, and isn't really helpful. New people come to thread now and immediately start posting by aksing whether they got one of the garbage panels to see if they need to return it. They may not even have any problems with the picture, but they've got it embedded in their head that they might have a "bad" panel on their hands that they need to get replaced. I think they start to believe that certain panels are inherently faulty or defective.


To quote myself from a few days ago... (Click to show)
If you get a certain panel it doesn't mean the panel is "junk/garbage", "defective", or "bad" and needs to be replaced/returned. It just means it got a panel with a certain LCD tech in it.

It's not like Chi Mei and AU Optronics just pump out bad panels from some shady factory. These are BIG companies and are some of the largest LCD producers worldwide.

There is no perfect panel, and LCDs all have their pros and cons. The reason people like the S-PVAs on these current Samsungs is because, at the moment, they have a slight advantage in a few areas of picture quality which are weighted more importantly (such as contrast) over other panel techs. That could change though in the future, and the other companies could leapfrog them and come out with a better performing panel.


Just try to keep a little more open mind about it, so others can too.


Thanks.
Edited by chicolom - 12/1/12 at 11:45am
post #1165 of 2546
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Originally Posted by photogold View Post

Why wouldn't they? Do you really think they just buy a batch of cheap panels from a factory in Cheapping, China and hope for the best?
Actually, if you think about it, the Samsung panels that they manufacture themselves should be the cheapest because there is no markup, they don't have to buy them. And who is to say that "some" of the panels from 2nd source vendors are not better quality than their own panels? Some companies may do nothing else but make flat panels, so they should be good at it if they want to stay in business
I work in electronics and my company is very successful and a leader in the field. We buy 99% of our components, including at times flat panels. We cannot buy components unless the vendor is on our approved list. We audit the factory, and we check the components. If a vendor doesn't meet our standards, they are out.

There may be some companies that are successful in enforcing strict QC offshore but that is not the case with the majority of the companies that do outsourcing.

The main idea of outsourcing is to cut cost and use cheap labor. If they enforce strict QC, then they would not be making any profit. They would not mind return or repair under warranty for a few items when they sell several 1000's of them. In all probability the returns would be from picky customers like some people here at AVS. Most average "Joes" would only be raving about that TV after having paid $799. If you go with other cheaper brands like Dynex or whatever and Vizio it is even worse. I only see smile on the faces of people who walk out of BB carrying the Dynex box as they paid less while I am screaming to myself like "dont buy that junk". If all they want is an image on their TV, they dont have to get anything more expensive than the Dynex crap. I know there are people who rave about Vizio!!

If you want to know how exactly the offshore crap works, you have to visit the "sweat shops" in Bangladesh where they make clothing for the western countries including all the top brands. Pretty much all the factories do not meet the safety standards.. Yet they are allowed to function because if they have to close them due to safety standards, they would have to close them all!

I also work in a company that does a lot of IT/Engineering outsourcing. The quality of work that comes back is just outrageously bad. Yet most people just dont mind as they are more concerned about the low cost than the poor quality. There is absolutely no QC done at the other end, Only we here at US have to do the QC and doing QC here at the US rate is not very profitable. So I chose not to outsource at all. Though I keep telling the folks above not to outsource, they dont care. They are under the false impression that you get great quality work back. Like I said, they are only concerned about the cost and insist that I do the outsourcing. Fortunately I can focus on domestic work at high end as those cant be outsourced due to security issues and that kind of work can be billed at high US rates which is also profitable. I have seen outsourcing done in this area also and the quality of work is just pathetic.

Unless this out sourcing crap stops, the US economy will never get back on track. There may be some companies that are successful in enforcing strict QC offshore but that is not the case with the majority of the companies that do outsourcing.

IMO the synonym for outsourcing is "bad quality" smile.gif
post #1166 of 2546
Yes, outsourcing in general is bad.

What LCD manufactuers do with rotating panel supplies isn't necessarily same as the pure outsourcing used to turn profits though.

First of all, Samsung isn't the only HDTV manufacturer that rotates supplies of LCDs, others do it too. There can be several reasons why manufacturers use LCDs from multiple vendors.

For example, Samsung gets their S-PVA panels from the S-LCD company which they jointly own with Sony. They have to share the supply of S-PVAs with Sony, and they also supply some panels for Toshiba. They don't always have enough supply to keep their TVs in stock, so they substitute other panels in to fill the gaps and keep the stores from running out of stock.

Another example, is that S-LCD doesn't even make S-PVA panels in certain sizes (like 37", 39", 50", etc.). If Samsung wants to sell to the markets looking for TVs of that size, they have buy and use panels from other vendors.

Samsung has certain performance specifications that they require the panels provided by other vendors to meet.
post #1167 of 2546
Does anyone have any info or pics they can share about the eh6050 60 inch model? I am thinking about purchasing but have some questions first. How is the flash lighting on this set? Are lines visable when the camera is panning side to side I thing it's called dirt screen effect? Also how are sports? My vizio makes the football look like a blur thanks
post #1168 of 2546
Check post http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/1200#post_22665815 for Model : UN65EH6000 Calibration results.
Edited by HDMI_13 - 12/5/12 at 11:06am
post #1169 of 2546
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Originally Posted by thelawson07 View Post

Even if it is a CS01 use these settings before you return it...
Movie
Backlight 15
Contrast 93
Brightness 55
Sharpness 30
Color 48
G52/R48
Color space native
White balance:
25
27
23
20
24
25
Gamma -1
Dyn cont off
Black tone - dark
Flesh 0
Warm 1
Size 16:9
DNF off
Hdmi black low
Film off
AMP custom
Blur 7
Judder 5
Led motion plus off

Would this work for UN55EH6050F?
post #1170 of 2546
Well I ordered the 6001 model during the Black Friday weekend and am still waiting for it to arrive (supposed to be delivered later this week). Thanks everyone for all of the reviews and information, especially Chicolom.

I'm starting to have buyer's remorse and I haven't even gotten the TV yet. It really concerns me that Samsung has removed it from their webpage which means there will be no support for it going forward. Now I kinda wish I had bought the 6000 model in store when it was on sale for $879. I didn't because I couldn't figure out why there was an $80 different in TV's with seemingly identical specs.

When I receive it I will give it a chance. I'll hook it up to my DirecTV box and PS3, tweak the settings, and go from there. If I'm not satisfied I have a store just down the road and can return it.
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