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post #1201 of 2546
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Originally Posted by eschultz View Post

Thanks! I somewhat chalked it up to my craptastic cable provider, coupled with the nature of the compression issue on a panned out sporting angle. But after reading page after page of panel discussions, I became increasingly worried that may be a problem. The viewing angle on this tv is subpar from what I have had prior. From even a slight angle the picture begins to gray quite a bit. Perhaps adjusting the gamma setting would help?
I also found that setting everything off (as suggested by many) while setting auto motion plus to smooth was the best way to get me the clearest picture for football. I know this isn't the greatest setting for most other things, as it does appear soap opera like, it works great for football blurriness. Every other setting from clear to custom did not help as much as this adjustment did. Of course personal preference to alleviate this one problem.
The picture is just so clear on close shots but suffers when it is a full field shot...o well can't have it all I suppose.

I think it's the source material... I have DirecTV and all my "broadcast network" channels look like crap on this set... They looked like crap on my 50" Panasonic S30 as well. If I watch football on NBC, Fox, or CBS, it looks bad in the same shots you mention. I watched MNF on ESPN and it looked great. I think there's something with compression and the broadcast in 1080i or 720p (depending on the channel) that this TV doesn't handle that well. BluRay and other media looks amazing though. Not sure what the deal is.
post #1202 of 2546
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Originally Posted by rgordonpf View Post

The version of the software that was loaded into firmware of my new 55EH6030 was version1018. I went online and there was no more recent version. This is for a TH01 panel.

Can you double check that your firmware says "1018" in the system section of your 6030? I also recently got the 55EH6030 (TH01 panel) and the loaded firmware is "1008". Doing online update says no newer firmware available and I don't see a 1018 on Samsung's support site.

eta: samsung live chat confirms that 1008 is the most recent version so if you're seeing 1018 then I don't know what that's about.
Edited by d21clt - 12/4/12 at 11:45am
post #1203 of 2546
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Originally Posted by BikeLove View Post

I just purchased a UN65EH6000 from BB this week ($1500) and it too has the white cloud or non-uniformity covering most of the bottom of the screen on dark scenes (or black screen). I thought these were supposed to have dencent uniformity due to the non-edge lit screen. .. .. Did I get a bad one?

Thought I would follow up. I returned it to BB. The effect didn't show up when they tried it. Very frustrating. I exchanged out for a Sharp 60LE745 which has a great picture and no white cloud. I like it much better than the Samsung.
post #1204 of 2546
Backlight vs. Brightness settings?

How are these settings different? Or are they different? I was wondering if these settings can be optimized to compensate for slight non-uniformity/clouding on very dark or black scenes?

If you turn town the Backlight setting, that should help even out the screen so that everything is black. So can you just turn up the brightness setting to compensate for any black crush that may have resulted from the backlight being turned down too much?

I also notice that setting the Dynamic Contrast on, even the low setting, will blacken the whole screen in a hurry, but almost everybody prefers that off. There is also a Black Tone setting..

So you have Backlight, Brightness, Black Tone, and then Contrast, and Dynamic Contrast settings. Can anybody explain the difference in simple terms? How can you set them to optimize a uniform dark screen and reduce clouding without black crush?
post #1205 of 2546
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Originally Posted by d21clt View Post

Can you double check that your firmware says "1018" in the system section of your 6030? I also recently got the 55EH6030 (TH01 panel) and the loaded firmware is "1008". Doing online update says no newer firmware available and I don't see a 1018 on Samsung's support site.
eta: samsung live chat confirms that 1008 is the most recent version so if you're seeing 1018 then I don't know what that's about.


My apologizes. The version 1018 was for my new OPPO 103. There was nothing on the TV update screen to identify the update as being for the OPPO. I incorrectly assumed it was for the Samsung. I did the MUTE-1-8-2-PWR. The screen showed T-NVTE5AKVC - 1008.0 and T-NVTE5AKVS - 1012. I assume these are version numbers. I was trying to be helpful when I reported the 1018, but obviously I still don't know what I am doing with the new TV and OPPO.
post #1206 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Kelud View Post

I don't think anyone has helped Dave with his vertical line issue, yet.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/1140#post_22648691

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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Yes, that looks abnormal and if it's present all the time and not just from a particular source I would exchange the TV or have a tech look at it.

Apparently it's a problem with the LEDs and/or driver board. So I'm planning to send it back to Amazon and get a replacement.

Anyone familiar with Amazon's return policy? Do I have to ship the defective unit first before they'll send a replacement? Couldn't find the answer on their website.
post #1207 of 2546
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Originally Posted by photogold View Post

Backlight vs. Brightness settings?
How are these settings different? Or are they different? I was wondering if these settings can be optimized to compensate for slight non-uniformity/clouding on very dark or black scenes?
If you turn town the Backlight setting, that should help even out the screen so that everything is black. So can you just turn up the brightness setting to compensate for any black crush that may have resulted from the backlight being turned down too much?
I also notice that setting the Dynamic Contrast on, even the low setting, will blacken the whole screen in a hurry, but almost everybody prefers that off. There is also a Black Tone setting..
So you have Backlight, Brightness, Black Tone, and then Contrast, and Dynamic Contrast settings. Can anybody explain the difference in simple terms? How can you set them to optimize a uniform dark screen and reduce clouding without black crush?

There are some AVS Forum threads that will likely yield some answers. In general, it seems like you'll want to begin with a calibration disc. I'm learning about some of this stuff as well, so these should be good reads for both of us! smile.gif

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1351213/for-those-struggling-with-brightness-contrast-backlight-settings-on-lcds

This is the thread that touches on Samsung's Dynamic Contrast feature:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1158323/samsung-pn42b450-blacks-problem#post_16769980
post #1208 of 2546
Just spent most of the day making a kind of complicated mount for the UN55EH6000.. Finally got it all done and turned it on and even though there was some weird stuff going on at first with the HDMI from the TWC 8300HD DVR that made some squiggly lines all over the tv until I fixed it, it looks great.

Haven't checked which panel I have yet, but it's a keeper. The only thing I noticed was some uniformity "issues" on a totally black screen, but it is very minor, and can probably be tuned out, as I had the backlight cranked up pretty high. I just changed a few settings so far, but it looks great overall. For the price and size it is a great deal.
post #1209 of 2546
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Originally Posted by photogold View Post

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So you have Backlight, Brightness, Black Tone, and then Contrast, and Dynamic Contrast settings. Can anybody explain the difference in simple terms? How can you set them to optimize a uniform dark screen and reduce clouding without black crush?

Blacklight = controls the intensity of the LED backlights

Brightness = sets the black point.
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This adjustment affects what the TV displays black as and consequently will change darkness of every other color displayed on the TV. Setting this adjustment too low will cause the picture too be dark and loose detail. Setting this adjustment too high will set the black color to high and all black will look gray which again will affect all colors displayed on the TV.

Contrast = sets the white point. Raising it will eventually clip all the colors, and lowering it lead to washed out colors and whites.

Dynamic contrast = automatically extends the black and white point simultaneously, which can clip and crush the image. This will basically ruin any point to calibration because you no longer no if your white and black points are accurate.
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Setting this option can enhance or degrade the picture. If the setting is set too high it can "crush" the blacks making them darker than they should be. If not set high enough the blacks and other colors may appear to light or washed out.

Black tone = I think I read on Samsung's site that it alters the threshold for what the TV considers black. I'm not quite sure how it works, but it seems to work similiar to brightness except that instead of shifting the entire gamma range when adjusting black point, it seems to only shift lower IRE values and not shift the rest. I can see it screwing up the gamma range.
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Black Tone is closely related to the "Brightness" option. Adjusting the Black level option changes what the TV interperets as "Black". For example: Setting the option really high will change a deep navy blue color to be displayed as black. This can cause you to loose details to the shadows on dark scenes. Setting the option correctly for your viewing preferences and signal type will enhance the black colors displayed on the TV to be a nice true black


http://support-us.samsung.com/cyber/popup/iframe/pop_troubleshooting_fr.jsp?idx=167162&modelname=LN46C750R2F&modelcode=&session_id=NJ2H4hpMLRzlGdj4RzLXr0K8VYwppbvcSQyjslnTxmD1RWX8QFQq!640189940!1761676348!7501!-1!-944161233!1761676444!7501!-1!1296659975846&from_osc=
post #1210 of 2546
hey guys quick question does this tv support external hdd? i connect my ipod re-formatted too ntsf and it worked. Want to know before i go waste my money on a hdd
thanks in advance:D
post #1211 of 2546
I have been reading through this thread for what seems like days and happened on one at Best Buy for a great price with the TA02 panel. Looking forward to some time to get it flushed out over the next few days and the holidays. So far, I am verry happy with the panel quality, black levels, etc. Thanks to everyone for steering me to this model and away from the edge lit designs.
post #1212 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Ochuni View Post

hey guys quick question does this tv support external hdd? i connect my ipod re-formatted too ntsf and it worked. Want to know before i go waste my money on a hdd
thanks in advance:D

That's a good question. I would have said "I doubt the TV will read NTFS drives", but if you already tested it and it works, so....I"m not sure it will read bigger dirives, but I assume it would. I will have to test that sometime.

Unfortunately you have limited picture adjustments when in USB mode, so I still hook up a laptop instead of just playing files off a drive because I like to have control over the picture.
post #1213 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

My EH6000 turned out to have pretty bad shadowing issues. I'm not going to post a pic but I can tell you that it affects all four corners of the TV and in certain situations runs from top to bottom on both sides of the screen. It typically isn't very noticeable but in certain circumstances it is VERY obvious, to the point where my wife even commented on it (without my prompting). She normally doesn't care at all about this kind of stuff- a TV is a TV so far as she's concerned.
It probably isn't from the panel lottery though. I checked the version when I purchased it and it was TS02 or TH02 (can't remember which exactly). From what I understand these are the "good" panels. So either the "good panels" are total garbage (unlikely) or Samsung's quality control sucks. Neither option is particularly good for them.

I feel the need to update my post since I complained so vociferously earlier in this thread. I exchanged my EH6000 for another set of the same model and the shadowing issues I discussed above were just about non-existent on the new TV. The first one I got must have been defective in some way.

I love the new set and would now completely recommend this model. Just about the only issue is that it isn't super-slim, so if you're looking for a TV to wall mount you may want to consider taht aspect. Otherwise a very good "budget" option.
post #1214 of 2546
This post is applicable to Model : UN65EH6000 only.

Model : UN65EH6000

Calibrated using HCRF software , Spyder3 Colorimeter , Sony bdp-780
Updated to latest firmware downloaded from Samsung website before attempting the calibration.
Target is to get Grey Scale to 6500k , Gamma to 2.2 with light output 40ftl.

Here are the final Calibration settings and pictures. Nothing left to improve it further.

Spent about 20hours to get here. But it's worth it.

Mode : Standard

Color tone : Warm2

Back light - 12 ( 40ftl )
Contrast - 85

BRIGHTNESS 33 for Gamma 2.23 **
BRIGHTNESS 29 for Gamma 2.31 **
** all other settings remain same

Color Space : Auto

White Balance :

Red Offset - 29
Green Offset - 25
Blue Offset - 16

Red Gain - 13
Green Gain - 25
Blue Gain - 22

Gamma : 0
Dynamic Contrast : off
Black Tone : off
Flesh Tone : 0
Motion Lighting : off
Digital Noise Filter : Auto
HDMI Black Level : Low
Film Mode : Auto
Auto Motion plus : clear
Led Motion Plus : off

All other settings remain to default.

Here are the images from Calibration.








Update: 12/15/2012

Standard mode , color tone warm 2 = VIVID Color mode. Even though I am able to get the grey scale right, color are vivid and some skin tones are too saturated.


Enjoy.
Edited by HDMI_13 - 12/16/12 at 9:08am
post #1215 of 2546
In your opinions is there any advantage to setting adjustments where the Backlight is not set at 20/maximum? It always seemed like the best option to me since the brightness and contrast could be dialed down without sacrificing the LEDs quality. But lately I've been noticing more irregularities on dark screens, so I wonder.
post #1216 of 2546
I have a 55" 6030. I love this panel. I could not be more pleased with the picture. One strange thing with the cable feed. I have only internet service through cable yet when split and fed to a TV, I can get some local channels. Now, when fed to my 6030, I also get 3 premium channels. An unexpected bonus and I'm not complaining.
post #1217 of 2546
Has anyone stepped up from a 40" screen to a 55" screen?

Even when I (briefly) owned a 42" tv vs. a 40" I immediately noticed and appreciated the difference.

I watch from anywhere between 5' to 10.' I sit in one of those huge office chairs with the rolling balls on bottom so I can sit at any distance from the TV I want.

Is 55" just too much tv from say, 6 feet from the tv?
post #1218 of 2546
10' maybe, but at 6' your eyes will kill you, imo. I had a 55 at 10' and it was tough on the eyes, especially when it was new and I wasn't used to it
post #1219 of 2546
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Originally Posted by HDMI_13 View Post

This post is applicable to Model : UN65EH6000 only.
Model : UN65EH6000
Calibrated using HCRF software , Spyder3 Colorimeter , Sony bdp-780
Updated to latest firmware downloaded from Samsung website before attempting the calibration.
Target is to get Grey Scale to 6500k , Gamma to 2.2 with light output 40ftl.
Here are the final Calibration settings and pictures. Nothing left to improve it further.
Spent about 20hours to get here. But it's worth it.

Enjoy.
Do you have the MH01 panel on your 65"?
post #1220 of 2546
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Originally Posted by scooter520 View Post

Do you have the MH01 panel on your 65"?

yes, I have MH-01 panel.

Are there different panels in 65inch model ?
post #1221 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Scurbs16 View Post

10' maybe, but at 6' your eyes will kill you, imo. I had a 55 at 10' and it was tough on the eyes, especially when it was new and I wasn't used to it

Thanks. There are numerous charts out there which claim that you can watch a 55" from as close as 6 feet. but it doesn't sound like that's a good idea, practically speaking.
post #1222 of 2546
Quick Tip: A fast way to switch in and out of "PC" mode is to push Source>Tools>Enter>Enter... then turn it on or off.
post #1223 of 2546
Im curious to know which HDMI cable you began with and if the new one makes any difference.....If it did, please tell mewhich one you got....Thanks
post #1224 of 2546
I just got my new 55 inch 1080p 120hz UN55EH6001FXZA (AH01) yesterday and I'm trying to figure out the best settings.....Anyone with helpful information I would greatly appreciate...Im new to this tpye of tv as we just laid to rest out 13yr old tube tv......Also, as far as a HDMI Cable, BB had me puchase a Dynex HDMI Cable for $20.....Is this a good enough Cable for this tv??? I dont mind spending a few extra $$$ for better quality/results...... Thanks....
post #1225 of 2546
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Originally Posted by wedge5324 View Post

I just got my new 55 inch 1080p 120hz UN55EH6001FXZA (AH01) yesterday and I'm trying to figure out the best settings.....Anyone with helpful information I would greatly appreciate...Im new to this tpye of tv as we just laid to rest out 13yr old tube tv......Also, as far as a HDMI Cable, BB had me puchase a Dynex HDMI Cable for $20.....Is this a good enough Cable for this tv??? I dont mind spending a few extra $$$ for better quality/results...... Thanks....

Get an easy to use calibration disc like disney's wow. Also, you can find cheap high quality hdmi cables for $5 on amazon or monoprice.

Most of the complaining here are OCD types who assume a defect before they even calibrate their tv's. Or, there is a problem with their source which they blame on the tv. Or, they want everything to look like 4K, even though they don't know what 4K looks like.
post #1226 of 2546
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Originally Posted by wedge5324 View Post

Also, as far as a HDMI Cable, BB had me puchase a Dynex HDMI Cable for $20.....Is this a good enough Cable for this tv??? I dont mind spending a few extra $$$ for better quality/results...... Thanks....

You overpaid for that cable.
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Also, you can find cheap high quality hdmi cables for $5 on amazon or monoprice.

That's what I'd suggest as well.
post #1227 of 2546
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Originally Posted by wedge5324 View Post

I just got my new 55 inch 1080p 120hz UN55EH6001FXZA (AH01) yesterday and I'm trying to figure out the best settings.....Anyone with helpful information I would greatly appreciate...Im new to this tpye of tv as we just laid to rest out 13yr old tube tv......Also, as far as a HDMI Cable, BB had me puchase a Dynex HDMI Cable for $20.....Is this a good enough Cable for this tv??? I dont mind spending a few extra $$$ for better quality/results...... Thanks....


I got this same exact set last Saturday. And a cheap $4 cable from newegg, working perfectly. The key is that you have to configure it or it won't look good. I can't recall which atm, but there's a spreadsheet on page 28, post 819 of this thead (Link). Think it's the Gexxxy settings that looked the best. But it was @ 4 AM when I finally got it looking good and put it all down and went to bed wink.gif.

***EDIT*** BTW, Chicolom, thank you. When I first hooked it up my wife and I went "Blech" and talked about returning it. And at first after reading some other posts in this thread talking about all the problems, I got close. But then you posted in the later pages that it's not the panels, and that they need to be tuned.
post #1228 of 2546
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Originally Posted by HDMI_13 View Post

This post is applicable to Model : UN65EH6000 only.
Model : UN65EH6000
Calibrated using HCRF software , Spyder3 Colorimeter , Sony bdp-780
Updated to latest firmware downloaded from Samsung website before attempting the calibration.
Target is to get Grey Scale to 6500k , Gamma to 2.2 with light output 40ftl.
Here are the final Calibration settings and pictures. Nothing left to improve it further.
Spent about 20hours to get here. But it's worth it.
Mode : Standard
Color tone : Warm2
Back light - 12 ( 40ftl )
Contrast - 85
BRIGHTNESS 33 for Gamma 2.23 **
BRIGHTNESS 29 for Gamma 2.31 **
** all other settings remain same
Color Space : Auto
White Balance :
Red Offset - 29
Green Offset - 25
Blue Offset - 16
Red Gain - 13
Green Gain - 25
Blue Gain - 22
Gamma : 0
Dynamic Contrast : off
Black Tone : off
Flesh Tone : 0
Motion Lighting : off
Digital Noise Filter : Auto
HDMI Black Level : Low
Film Mode : Auto
Auto Motion plus : clear
Led Motion Plus : off
All other settings remain to default.

I used these settings on my UN55EH6000 and I can honestly these settings look amazing! Gonna use it a couple more days but so far everything looks great!

Thanks!
post #1229 of 2546
Very helpful. I encourage everyone to at least attempt a systematic calibration before commenting on PQ, much less contemplating a return.

Seriously, it just drives up costs for everyone: the manufacturer, the retailer and the consumer, when people return these sets willy nilly. It's also a waste of YOUR time as a consumer. Most returns are not because of defective equipment but because of knee jerk reactions of consumers who don't invest the time to learn how to get the most out of their equipment.

The strange thing is, you KNOW people have bought a tv before and should have some recognition of the fact that a tv needs to be calibrated in order to perform it's best. But the buyers here seem to have a selective amnesia: "my TV is DEFECTIVE! Boo hoo hooo! I've been singled out to be treated poorly!"

I recently reset my tv to factory settings, and PQ was very bad. And I consider PQ to be stunning on my set. Adjusted back to my preferred settings and viola! excellence once again!

You've noticed how all of the "my PQ sucks" and "my tv is defective" posts have gone away? Yeah, those people adjusted their sets in the last week or two and never came back to admit that they had a knee jerk reaction.

Again, in the interest of providing something resembling useful information, please DO NOT try to judge PQ without making some attempt to calibrate. Out of the box, pictures are set to be ridiculously bright, punchy and inaccurate to stand out on a crowded showroom floor for consumers who spend a split second evaluating PQ.

Spend an hour performing a basic calibration as HDMI has, and your efforts will be well rewarded.
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Originally Posted by HDMI_13 View Post

This post is applicable to Model : UN65EH6000 only.
Model : UN65EH6000
Calibrated using HCRF software , Spyder3 Colorimeter , Sony bdp-780
Updated to latest firmware downloaded from Samsung website before attempting the calibration.
Target is to get Grey Scale to 6500k , Gamma to 2.2 with light output 40ftl.
Here are the final Calibration settings and pictures. Nothing left to improve it further.
Spent about 20hours to get here. But it's worth it.
Mode : Standard
Color tone : Warm2
Back light - 12 ( 40ftl )
Contrast - 85
BRIGHTNESS 33 for Gamma 2.23 **
BRIGHTNESS 29 for Gamma 2.31 **
** all other settings remain same
Color Space : Auto
White Balance :
Red Offset - 29
Green Offset - 25
Blue Offset - 16
Red Gain - 13
Green Gain - 25
Blue Gain - 22
Gamma : 0
Dynamic Contrast : off
Black Tone : off
Flesh Tone : 0
Motion Lighting : off
Digital Noise Filter : Auto
HDMI Black Level : Low
Film Mode : Auto
Auto Motion plus : clear
Led Motion Plus : off
All other settings remain to default.
Here are the images from Calibration.

Enjoy.
post #1230 of 2546
Maybe I am wrong, but this TV (40" Model, TS02 panel) has the worst viewing angle of any LCD I have ever had. Not that it is terrible, and I haven't bought a new LCD in a few years, but it is easily the worst I have owned. Perhaps it is the fact that it is LED lit, but I wouldn't think that to be the case. Appears that once you pass 30 degrees from dead center, it starts to wash out, but stays pretty much in the same degree of washing out until you get pretty far off center. Given our family room, which is wide but not very deep, it does seem to present a problem. I'll need to spend more time with it and maybe I will get used to it, but the relatively cheap Insignia that it replaces had a much better viewing cone.
Edited by larrimore - 12/7/12 at 5:44am
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