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post #1381 of 2322
12/18/12 at 2:01pm
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Originally Posted by smp0887123 View Post

Does anyone have any good calibrated settings for 55 inch eh6000 with a TH02 panel? I have tried a bunch of setting but cannot get the picture to look all that great

My set is for the most part the equivalent of yours. Start with tigerdave's post back on page 28 of this thread (or you can click here to go there directly) and read forward from there. Ultimately, the best way forward will be to do a basic calibration using one of the available blu-ray discs (Disney WOW, AVS HD 709, Digital Video Essentials, etc.) and/or get a colorimeter and some calibration software to perform something more advanced and really dial it in. There are some pretty knowledgeable people on this thread that have posted very useful information. As a "newbie" I've been able to benefit greatly from their words of advice and I'm sure you will too. I've only done a basic callibration and configured the picture settings according to most peoples' opinions and my picture looks great. Good luck.
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post #1382 of 2322
12/18/12 at 4:03pm
I'm having my set ISF Calibrated tomorrow. I'll post my settings tomorrow. I have a TH02 panel on my 55EH6000 as well.
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post #1383 of 2322
12/18/12 at 6:13pm
Ok thanks please let me know what you come up with once calibrated
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post #1384 of 2322
12/18/12 at 6:18pm
So I got the 46EH6000 recently and although I don't know the terms, the automatic brightening and poor off-angle viewing is killing it for me.

I've turned off anything eco-related and tried almost every single combination of settings but nothing works.

I guess other HDTVs must be really bad because if you guys consider this to be really good, then I need to wait a few more years until they get the technology right.

I'm taking this TV back after Christmas and sticking with my old school 32" Vizio until the time is right.

Can someone recommend a better TV without that distracting brightness changing?
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post #1385 of 2322
12/18/12 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Not really :\
That still doesn't mean much to me as "clarity" is a vague term.
A couple more specific aspects of picture quality:
Black level, peak brightness, contrast ratio, white balance, greyscale, gamma, color accuracy/gamut/saturation, motion performace/resolution, sharpness, etc...


Sharpness would be a good word. Black level I don't think is great either. I also completely agree with channels having different levels of qualities. Heck I've even been watching the local news (which generally has a good picture) go out to a reporter in the field and have a side by side picture and you can tell the difference in those two. Discovery channel probably has the best hd channel on directv IMO. My biggest thing on the tv is that I feel there are more channels that doesn't look good on this tv vs the plasma. This tv does have a good bluray picture but that's not where the majority of my tv watching comes from. It's from watching the news, any sports games, whatever the wife watches, etc..... I am going to try the Disney wow disc and see what I can come up with. Past that I'm kinda lost on trying anything anymore in depth a would have not a clue what I was doing. Thanks for y'all's time. I've have really learned quite a lot off of this website.
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post #1386 of 2322
12/18/12 at 8:02pm
Can anyone confirm if the EH6000 series does or does not have "Anynet+" (HDMI-CEC feature)? I see conflicting feature sets online, and trying my pulse-8 cec adapter for my xbmc box "seems" to indicate it does NOT have it? (Then again, it's such a pain to setup I could go either way).
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post #1387 of 2322
12/19/12 at 7:59am
Is there any settings that would help the improve "poor" quality of sitting off center of my 40" Samsung 6000. I sit about 7' off center, darn couch that is in the center is so uncomfortable and my nice comfortable Lay-Z-Boy:) is 7' to the left.
Thanks
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post #1388 of 2322
12/19/12 at 8:51am
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Originally Posted by ganzhimself View Post

I'm having my set ISF Calibrated tomorrow. I'll post my settings tomorrow. I have a TH02 panel on my 55EH6000 as well.

if you could also post the pre and post calibration charts/data, it would be helpful to see how much of a difference the calibration makes
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post #1389 of 2322
12/19/12 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by rkleffelm View Post

got this eh6000 last week from Best Buy. I really like the tv. I actually downgraded from a 47 inch LG, but the picture is like an upgrade. really like this tv. only thing that its missing which i'm really thinking hard about is 3D. does anyone here know how this would compare to a UN40ES6500? i would hate to return it to get this other tv and then not have as good of a picture.9.gif

you want a 3D version of the EH6000, get the EH6030... the 3D's not perfect (there is quite a bit of crosstalk/ghosting with most 3D sources), but there's no guarantee the ES6500 will perform better

furthermore, the ES series is edge-lit and as such will suffer from uniformity issues like flashlighting, clouding, and bright spots that EH series models won't
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post #1390 of 2322
12/19/12 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by isamudaison View Post

Can anyone confirm if the EH6000 series does or does not have "Anynet+" (HDMI-CEC feature)? I see conflicting feature sets online, and trying my pulse-8 cec adapter for my xbmc box "seems" to indicate it does NOT have it? (Then again, it's such a pain to setup I could go either way).

I had one before and it did not have that feature. As far as EH series models go, I think only the 60Hz EH5300 Smart TV has it.
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post #1391 of 2322
12/19/12 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by Ralph289 View Post

Is there any settings that would help the improve "poor" quality of sitting off center of my 40" Samsung 6000. I sit about 7' off center, darn couch that is in the center is so uncomfortable and my nice comfortable Lay-Z-Boy:) is 7' to the left.
Thanks

the main issue off-axis is that the gamma tends to lighten up and wash out the picture.. lowering the gamma setting will darken the gamma and make the off-axis washout less noticeable
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post #1392 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by Dellamorte13 View Post

So I got the 46EH6000 recently and although I don't know the terms, the automatic brightening and poor off-angle viewing is killing it for me.
I've turned off anything eco-related and tried almost every single combination of settings but nothing works.
I guess other HDTVs must be really bad because if you guys consider this to be really good, then I need to wait a few more years until they get the technology right.
I'm taking this TV back after Christmas and sticking with my old school 32" Vizio until the time is right.
Can someone recommend a better TV without that distracting brightness changing?

try movie mode, the backlight stays fixed in this mode, except for all black screens (in which the backlight goes to zero and the TV appears to be off)

make sure eco sensor and energy saving are off as well

BTW, what kind of panel tech do you have?

Txxx: S-PVA

Hxxx: ASV/UV2A

Axxx: A-MVA

Bxxx/Cxxx: S-MVA
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post #1393 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by walsey View Post

Sharpness would be a good word. Black level I don't think is great either. I also completely agree with channels having different levels of qualities. Heck I've even been watching the local news (which generally has a good picture) go out to a reporter in the field and have a side by side picture and you can tell the difference in those two. Discovery channel probably has the best hd channel on directv IMO. My biggest thing on the tv is that I feel there are more channels that doesn't look good on this tv vs the plasma. This tv does have a good bluray picture but that's not where the majority of my tv watching comes from. It's from watching the news, any sports games, whatever the wife watches, etc..... I am going to try the Disney wow disc and see what I can come up with. Past that I'm kinda lost on trying anything anymore in depth a would have not a clue what I was doing. Thanks for y'all's time. I've have really learned quite a lot off of this website.

if you feel plasma provides a better picture for certain sources/overall, by all means get plasma... but make sure you properly calibrated the set first and check what panel tech your set has before returning it (in other words, give it a fair chance before returning it)
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post #1394 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

the main issue off-axis is that the gamma tends to lighten up and wash out the picture.. lowering the gamma setting will darken the gamma and make the off-axis washout less noticeable
Thanks......will give it a try .
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post #1395 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:24am
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

if you feel plasma provides a better picture for certain sources/overall, by all means get plasma... but make sure you properly calibrated the set first and check what panel tech your set has before returning it (in other words, give it a fair chance before returning it)


I have the th02 panel and yeah defiantly going to calibrate it before I make my decision. Speaking of off angle viewing, I know sitting at an angle left or right has an affect on the picture. What about if the tv sits above you? Mines on a fireplace so I look up at the tv. Also what do you recommend for a calibration disc. I was looking at Disney wow because I've read they are easier to understand and do if your not tech savvy.
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post #1396 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by smp0887123 View Post

Does anyone have any good calibrated settings for 55 inch eh6000 with a TH02 panel? I have tried a bunch of setting but cannot get the picture to look all that great

Copying someone else's settings will rarely give you what you need as all panels will behave differently even if the same models.

There are some easy tools to do a basic calibration without fancy equipment.

There is a step by step at the post below to help you with that
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/420#post_22233258
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post #1397 of 2322
12/19/12 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by Ralph289 View Post

Is there any settings that would help the improve "poor" quality of sitting off center of my 40" Samsung 6000. I sit about 7' off center, darn couch that is in the center is so uncomfortable and my nice comfortable Lay-Z-Boy:) is 7' to the left.
Thanks

You should try some of the suggestions here, but at the end of the day you may want to consider a TV with a different panel. Panasonic's IPS panel is supposed to have very good viewing angles compared to the S-PVA and especially S-MVA. Of course, you may have to consider trade-offs such as lesser color performance (I believe Samsung is markedly better than Panasonic in that area).
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post #1398 of 2322
12/19/12 at 2:53pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

the main issue off-axis is that the gamma tends to lighten up and wash out the picture.. lowering the gamma setting will darken the gamma and make the off-axis washout less noticeable

I've had my 55EH6030 for a few days and this is one of the biggest things I've noticed. When viewed off axis the image washes out and the blacks become light gray. This occurs more quickly when the viewer moves off-axis vertically but it also occurs horizontally. Can you elaborate more on how the gamma setting fixes this? What value should I use and what is the penalty if you go too far?
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post #1399 of 2322
12/19/12 at 5:46pm
Here are my calibrated settings. I don't have the pre/post graphs, unfortunately. I'm supposed to get an email with them at some point... I think the brightness is a bit too high, IMO.

Mode: Movie
Backlight: 13
Contrast: 89
Brightness: 62
Sharpness: 20
Color: 53
Tint: 50/50
Color Space: Auto

White Balance Settings:
Offsets:
R: 25
G: 25
B: 21
Gains:
R: 15
G: 25
B: 35
Gamma: -1
Dynamic Contrast: off
Black Tone: Off
Flesh Tone 0

Color Tone: Warm 2
HDMI Black Level: Low
Auto Motion Plus: Clear
LED Motion Plus: Off
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post #1400 of 2322
12/19/12 at 5:52pm
Thanks for the settings!!!
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post #1401 of 2322
12/19/12 at 6:16pm
Aside from the brightness, the picture is absolutely gorgeous. I'm reserving judgement on the brightness until after my eye dilation drops wear off... Had a full eye exam this morning and my pupils are still crazy dilated.
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post #1402 of 2322
12/19/12 at 7:01pm
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

try movie mode, the backlight stays fixed in this mode, except for all black screens (in which the backlight goes to zero and the TV appears to be off)
make sure eco sensor and energy saving are off as well...

UN46EH6000:

Movie mode is the only mode in which the brightness doesn't change. I keep it on Movie mode but any combination of settings I've tried still makes the picture look dark.

Anything eco is all turned off.

This TV also has terrible off-angle viewing. I was at Costco tonight and (even though I looked like a fool) I kept stepping off to different angles to view their Samsungs and none of them had as bad of a picture when viewed at an angle.
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

BTW, what kind of panel tech do you have?
Txxx: S-PVA
Hxxx: ASV/UV2A
Axxx: A-MVA
Bxxx/Cxxx: S-MVA

I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by this? I'm not very tech savvy...yet.

Does anyone think setting it to Store or Demo mode will help?

The TVs in Costco looked so good I wanted to buy one but when I get home to the one I own, I just want to return it.
Edited by Dellamorte13 - 12/19/12 at 7:46pm
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post #1403 of 2322
12/19/12 at 7:43pm
Ok this piece of crap is going back to the store! Does anyone else see white light around the entire frame of the tv? It's almost like watching tv through a picture frame. I though this tv was not edge lit? I am done with LED the technology is complete garbage
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post #1404 of 2322
12/19/12 at 8:29pm
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Originally Posted by Dellamorte13 View Post


This TV also has terrible off-angle viewing. I was at Costco tonight and (even though I looked like a fool) I kept stepping off to different angles to view their Samsungs and none of them had as bad of a picture when viewed at an angle.
I'm sorry but I don't know what you mean by this? I'm not very tech savvy...yet.
Does anyone think setting it to Store or Demo mode will help?
The TVs in Costco looked so good I wanted to buy one but when I get home to the one I own, I just want to return it.

Setting the TV to Store mode will not affect the viewing angle.

You can check to see which panel you have (look at my sig) , as some of them have better viewing angles than others. For this set, I believe the S-PVA panel has the best viewing angle.
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post #1405 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

Setting the TV to Store mode will not affect the viewing angle.
You can check to see which panel you have (look at my sig) , as some of them have better viewing angles than others. For this set, I believe the S-PVA panel has the best viewing angle.

I have the TS02 (UN46EH6000) and if I can just get the viewing angle issue fixed, I would keep the TV but it doesn't seem as if I can change that, can I?

If I took it back to the store, would they have a different version? I'm really clueless on things like this.

I feel the brightness issue is fixed but if viewing at an angle is an issue, then it's kind of a deal breaker for me.

Thanks for responding and for the links!
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post #1406 of 2322
12/19/12 at 9:41pm
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Originally Posted by Dellamorte13 View Post

I have the TS02 (UN46EH6000) and if I can just get the viewing angle issue fixed, I would keep the TV but it doesn't seem as if I can change that, can I?
If I took it back to the store, would they have a different version? I'm really clueless on things like this.
I feel the brightness issue is fixed but if viewing at an angle is an issue, then it's kind of a deal breaker for me.
Thanks for responding and for the links!

The TS02 is an S-PVA panel and should have good viewing angles. I have the same panel and I think the viewing angles are great for an LCD. Reviews of samsungs with S-PVA panels also usually say the viewing angles are good.

I don't know why the sets at the store would look any better.

You can take a pic of it both head on and off angle so we can see if it's unusual if you want.

AFAIK, S-PVA has the best viewing angles of VA based panels. IPS also has good viewing angles, but they have lighter blacks and off angle the blacks can glow purple.


FYI ALL LCDs have issues with viewing off angle, so if you're always going to be viewing it off angle for some reason (?) you may want to look into a plasma.
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post #1407 of 2322
12/19/12 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by chicolom View Post

The TS02 is an S-PVA panel and should have good viewing angles. I have the same panel and I think the viewing angles are great for an LCD. Reviews of samsungs with S-PVA panels also usually say the viewing angles are good.
I don't know why the sets at the store would look any better.
You can take a pic of it both head on and off angle so we can see if it's unusual if you want.
AFAIK, S-PVA has the best viewing angles of VA based panels. IPS also has good viewing angles, but they have lighter blacks and off angle the blacks can glow purple.
FYI ALL LCDs have issues with viewing off angle, so if you're always going to be viewing it off angle for some reason (?) you may want to look into a plasma.

Thanks, you've been a big help! I've never read anything about the panels and I've been doing a lot of reading!
A friend of mine has a Vizio that has great viewing angles. I can't remember if it's LED or LCD but it looked good.
I'll try to get some pictures but I don't think they'll come out good enough. We'll see.

Thanks again!
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post #1408 of 2322
12/20/12 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

I think the problems you are having is with a poor cable picture coming in. I notice this too on my set sometimes. Some channels look incredible while others can look downright awful. With regard to football, specifically, I've found ESPN and NBC to be great, while CBS and FOX are mediocre to bad (that probably varies from area to area).
It's not the TV's fault and the only thing you could really do to "fix" it would be to buy a sh!tty TV so every channel has the same low-quality picture. Your real beef is probably with your cable company.
I have heard that DirecTV can get you a better picture because they aren't compressing it off the satellite feed to send it out over cable. I have not verified this myself though. Can anyone chime in on that?

No, DirecTV is compressed too. They are trying to cram as many HD channels as possible onto their limited set of satellites. Different technical challenges, same result; they try to compress as much as they can without impacting pq. You can argue all day long about who is better at it on the HDTV forum on this site (or several other sites out there).

Blu-Ray is the best way to test your picture quality.

Seems like some people get a new big TV and start to notice artifacts their old TVs did not make obvious. For me, HD Football on any channel always looks stellar on their closeup shots because of the shot itself. When they pan out or switch cameras to a wide view of the field, it never looks as good as the closeups. It's a contrast between shots, not a failing of the TV.
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12/20/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

You should try some of the suggestions here, but at the end of the day you may want to consider a TV with a different panel. Panasonic's IPS panel is supposed to have very good viewing angles compared to the S-PVA and especially S-MVA. Of course, you may have to consider trade-offs such as lesser color performance (I believe Samsung is markedly better than Panasonic in that area).

don't forget that IPS panels have the worst black levels/native contrast ratios of any LCD panel tech and S-IPS panels have narrow vertical viewing angles
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post #1410 of 2322
12/20/12 at 9:16am
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Originally Posted by walsey View Post

I have the th02 panel and yeah defiantly going to calibrate it before I make my decision. Speaking of off angle viewing, I know sitting at an angle left or right has an affect on the picture. What about if the tv sits above you? Mines on a fireplace so I look up at the tv. Also what do you recommend for a calibration disc. I was looking at Disney wow because I've read they are easier to understand and do if your not tech savvy.

Disney WOW Blu-ray is good (I have it) but I prefer the free AVSHD709 and GCD (Gamut Calibration Disc) on the Display Calibration Sub-Forum.
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