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post #1501 of 2546
Hi everyone, just joined. I'm trying to calibrate my new Samsung 46" LED UN46EH6000F. I tried browsing through this thread and couldn't find "best" calibration settings for this specific model. I mostly want it calibrated for sports, movies, and XBox gaming. Can someone help? Much thanks!
post #1502 of 2546
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Originally Posted by ganzhimself View Post

I think the settings pre-calibration were whatever was set by the factory. The tech opened the service menu before he started calibration which IIRC resets everything back to the stock settings... Which are just awful.

Ah, I see. Probably the "torch mode" settings or something.

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Originally Posted by assm0de View Post

Hello
Are there any owners of the 50EH6000 that can give some qualified comments about the display, such as black level, colour, viewing angle, motion blur, blue trails, input lag for video games etc.
Because it is a bit of a strange model, normally you don't get an LCD in 50", and there are no reviews of this particular model to be found. I have compared myself the 50EH6000 to the 55EH6000 and 60EH6000 in stores, and something about the 50" seems to look better (maybe because it's smaller?). I opened the built-in gray scale test pattern on each of them and found the 55-60" models were heavily tinting 90-100 stimulus yellow, and I had to reduce Contrast to around 80 to fix it, whereas the 50" did not have this problem. This might sound trivial but in fact on LCD displays you don't want to be lowering the Contrast setting as it reduces peak brightness without lowering the backlight, and so you lose a lot of contrast ratio that way.
Well anyway, if someone has the 50EH6000 please let me know what you think of it. Is it worth the pricetag of $888?
Thanks

We have the 50". See my post on the previous page:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/1470#post_22745178

It seems like a nice TV, especially for the price. Only thing I noticed is that it's a little scarce on inputs...only 2 HDMI, IIRC.
post #1503 of 2546
Hi guys,

I'm not pretty sure that the EH6030 supports full hd in 3D mode, I still want to ask for your confirmation! They havent made the same mistake as with the D6000 series, right?

thank you
Edited by cl55amg - 12/26/12 at 2:41pm
post #1504 of 2546
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Originally Posted by milehighou View Post

Ah, I see. Probably the "torch mode" settings or something.

That would be my guess... When I went into the Service Menu to see what version panel my TV had I know it lost my settings, and I think it put the TV into Dynamic (Torch) Mode. I know that what I eyeballed and had my TV set at before they calibrated it wasn't perfect, but itcertainly wasn't as bad as the "pre-calibration" snapshot.
post #1505 of 2546
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Originally Posted by mussina1983 View Post

Hi everyone, just joined. I'm trying to calibrate my new Samsung 46" LED UN46EH6000F. I tried browsing through this thread and couldn't find "best" calibration settings for this specific model. I mostly want it calibrated for sports, movies, and XBox gaming. Can someone help? Much thanks!

The calibration settings will really be hit or miss on a case by case, but here is a post from earlier in the thread that someone put together a nice breakdown:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1395734/official-samsung-unxxeh6000-owners-thread/390#post_22223232
post #1506 of 2546
Nobody can confirm that the EH6030 supports full hd in 3D Mode?

According to this samsung paper you could asume that the EH6030 doesnt support Full HD in 3D:
http://www.samsung.com/us/system/consumer/product/un/55/eh/un55eh6030fxza/7946_LED_55_6030_V7.pdf.pdf

Anytime 1080p comes up they mention that it is supportet in the 2D mode while in ES series documents they say particulary that 1080p is also supportet in the 3D mode...
Edited by cl55amg - 12/26/12 at 2:42pm
post #1507 of 2546
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Originally Posted by milehighou View Post

I see in some calibrations that people have "Digital Noise Filter" set to AUTO. Do you agree or disagree with this?
I don't think it's needed at all for HD material. For SD, I suppose it could be useful, but I did a quick test the other night on an SD channel. It was a living room scene, and looking at detail on the couch's fabric, I could see that any time the noise filter was ON, it blurred the image and detail was lost. I ended up turning it off altogether, as I usually do with all of these artificial image "enhancements."

I'd leave off any NR features (on the BD player/source device and the Display) since it can cause you to lose fine picture detail and can also make motion seem blurrier.
post #1508 of 2546
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Originally Posted by ganzhimself View Post

I think the settings pre-calibration were whatever was set by the factory. The tech opened the service menu before he started calibration which IIRC resets everything back to the stock settings... Which are just awful.

that means your set was in Dynamic pic mode defaults with HDMI Black Level set to Normal (expecting PC levels, 0-255)
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 12/26/12 at 3:06pm
post #1509 of 2546
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Originally Posted by cl55amg View Post

Hi guys,
I'm not pretty sure that the EH6030 supports full hd in 3D mode, I still want to ask for your confirmation! They havent made the same mistake as with the D6000 series, right?
thank you

I was able to get 1080/24p in 3D from by Comcast HD cable box.
post #1510 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I was able to get 1080/24p in 3D from by Comcast HD cable box.

This is not the question, the question is what the TVs makes out of the signal. The previous D6000 series reduced the vertical resolution in 3d mode.
Its possible that the EH6030 does that same thing, cause Samsung mentions 1080p only in combination with the 2D mode as you can see in the link I have posted.

Here is a link that explains the previous situation. They also provide a picture that allows you to test if the resolution is reduced in 3D mode:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1362161/samsung-led-tv-series-dxx6xxx-no-full-hd-in-3d-mode

Could you please check that with your EH6030?
Edited by cl55amg - 12/26/12 at 5:16pm
post #1511 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I'd leave off any NR features (on the BD player/source device and the Display) since it can cause you to lose fine picture detail and can also make motion seem blurrier.

Will do, thanks
post #1512 of 2546
Just got the un60eh6000. Like it so far but I have 2 problems. I cannot get sound out of my receiver unless the tv is on. This was not the case with my LG 47LH90. Does this tv not have pass through or not support audio return or what? Any ideas? Also the eco sensor does not seem to work. Where is it located? I took a flashlight in a dark room and shined it all over the bezel and it made no difference. Receiver is a Yamaha 5.1 and it is hooked via HDMI to the HDMI/DVI 1on the tv.
post #1513 of 2546
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Originally Posted by ganzhimself View Post

I have the brightness dialed back to 45 and the Sharpness at 5. Those are the only changes I needed to make to get the picture to look good to my eye post-calibration.

My brightness and sharpness are also exactly 45 and 5 respectively. Almost the precisely same settings overall.
post #1514 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

It actually says "Normal" when grayed out with YCbCr signals. However, that still means video levels in this case (16-235) and is likely referring that BTB and WTW is being passed/YCbCr is always video levels.

Would it make more sense to change the signal to RGB just so I could play with that setting? Or is it okay to leave it on YCbCr on "Normal" grayed out?

P.S. - My other TV is a 46PZ85U, which is now in my basement downstairs. Make's an awesome small man-cave set.
post #1515 of 2546
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Originally Posted by ryker99 View Post

Yes, finally had an opportunity to do this. Full reset. It was actually good for a few days, but just noticed it again right now.
So... call Samsung and have them send a tech over????

(See band at top of screen)

So... opened up a case on the samsung website and submitted my picture documentation. Local repair office called me and said Samsung said to replace the entire panel. The panel was shipped to the local repair office but came in damaged. According to Samsung's policy, if this happens then they just issue a new TV to the warrantied customer. So, I just got a new TV delivered yesterday.

Seems as though they are aware of the issue.

Let's hope this doesn't happen again.
post #1516 of 2546
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Originally Posted by assm0de View Post

Hello

Are there any owners of the 50EH6000 that can give some qualified comments about the display, such as black level, colour, viewing angle, motion blur, blue trails, input lag for video games etc.

Because it is a bit of a strange model, normally you don't get an LCD in 50", and there are no reviews of this particular model to be found. I have compared myself the 50EH6000 to the 55EH6000 and 60EH6000 in stores, and something about the 50" seems to look better (maybe because it's smaller?). I opened the built-in gray scale test pattern on each of them and found the 55-60" models were heavily tinting 90-100 stimulus yellow, and I had to reduce Contrast to around 80 to fix it, whereas the 50" did not have this problem. This might sound trivial but in fact on LCD displays you don't want to be lowering the Contrast setting as it reduces peak brightness without lowering the backlight, and so you lose a lot of contrast ratio that way.

Well anyway, if someone has the 50EH6000 please let me know what you think of it. Is it worth the pricetag of $888?

Thanks

I purchased the 50EH6000 at BB a few weeks before Thanksgiving for $799. I'm really happy with it. I have been playing with settings based on recommendations on this thread, but frankly it looks great right out of the box. Probably something I should not say on AVS Forum since it makes me look like a general purpose consumer that accepts anything. I'm actually an electro-optic engineer who usually sets high standards (without going overboard) for my AV equipment. That being said, I really do like this set. I have the CH01 panel, which almost made me take it back because of earlier thread discussions. Supposedly, Samsung panels are better, but I haven't found anywhere in this thread anyone who got a Samsung panel in the 50". I put the paranoia aside and just used my own judgement, and I decided I really like this set. Extreme off-axis viewing starts to show some color washout - I think I was able to compensate that a little bit by setting gamma to -1 or -2. Other than that, I'm really happy to get a good piece of equipment with a great value based on the price. All in my family are really pleased with it too. I'd give it a "Buy" recommendation - $888 is a good price.
post #1517 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Sparty73 View Post

Would it make more sense to change the signal to RGB just so I could play with that setting? Or is it okay to leave it on YCbCr on "Normal" grayed out?

You don't really need to play with it. If you set it incorrectly the picture will either wash out or will crush the blacks and clip the whites. If you set it correctly it will just look the same as YCbCr.
post #1518 of 2546
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Originally Posted by BMason View Post

I purchased the 50EH6000 at BB a few weeks before Thanksgiving for $799. I'm really happy with it. I have been playing with settings based on recommendations on this thread, but frankly it looks great right out of the box. Probably something I should not say on AVS Forum since it makes me look like a general purpose consumer that accepts anything. I'm actually an electro-optic engineer who usually sets high standards (without going overboard) for my AV equipment. That being said, I really do like this set. I have the CH01 panel, which almost made me take it back because of earlier thread discussions. Supposedly, Samsung panels are better, but I haven't found anywhere in this thread anyone who got a Samsung panel in the 50". I put the paranoia aside and just used my own judgement, and I decided I really like this set. Extreme off-axis viewing starts to show some color washout - I think I was able to compensate that a little bit by setting gamma to -1 or -2. Other than that, I'm really happy to get a good piece of equipment with a great value based on the price. All in my family are really pleased with it too. I'd give it a "Buy" recommendation - $888 is a good price.

I was surprised that it looked pretty decent right out of the box, too. All I did was set it to movie, tweak the backlight, brightness and contrast and it was good to go. I did not take any measurements with my i1 meter, but it looks pretty darn good:)
post #1519 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

I don't understand this. Is the suggestion that an EH6000 bought around Thanksgiving will be inferior to the same EH6000 purchased before or after Thanksgiving? I have never heard that before. I have heard that some of the holiday-specific models (e.g., EH6030, ES6003) are inferior in quality to the standard models (i.e., as compared to the EH6000), though there doesn't seem to be any actual confirmation of this.

Yup, she told me to return the one I have and turn around and buy the same model. I think it's a waste of time and effort but I was hoping someone could prove her wrong.
post #1520 of 2546
On the 55EH6030, I noticed that in the picture options submenu that Film Mode and HDMI Black Level is grayed out no matter which picture mode you're using (dynamic, standard, natural or movie). I'd like to be able to change the HDMI Black Level to low from the grayed out preset of normal and was wondering if this was even possible or if these options are always locked out.

Thanks in advance!
post #1521 of 2546
Bought this set, was excited upon getting it but since having it home for a few days I'm just not in love with the pq.

But I'm conflicted because I see a ton of people raving, but then I see a ton of people mention average pq, which is how I'd describe it so far.

I'm just not sure what to do, because I'm here at my parents with the wife and we both are noticing their 42 plasma that has what I'm looking for. I mean I'm not sure which model this is but it's a year or so old, and it has that hd crispness that I just can't quite achieve.

Is the ut or st 50 superior to anyone that switched sets? Just need to figure something out.
post #1522 of 2546
The HDMI Black Level setting will only be available if you're passing an RGB signal.
post #1523 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

Bought this set, was excited upon getting it but since having it home for a few days I'm just not in love with the pq.
But I'm conflicted because I see a ton of people raving, but then I see a ton of people mention average pq, which is how I'd describe it so far.

Yes, this is what's got me confused. Maybe try updating the firmware, because on my Samsung plasma (51D450) the picture quality with the original firmware was horrible. Gray scale was perfect, but skin tones were atrocious. After I updated the firmware it was MUCH better. It's like they had done a recalibration of the colour decoding. I've heard this happening on other sets too where people say the picture is better after firmware update, and in fact there is one firmware from samsung which actually states "improves picture quality" in the notes, but I forgot which model it was for.

Also I would avoid using the internal TV tuner as they often have undefeatable noise reduction that softens the picture compared to using an external set top box connected thru HDMI or component.
post #1524 of 2546
I'm Pretty old fashioned with tvs, so updating a tv and it's firmware I've never done. How would I go about this?

I just am torn with it all because i generally can get a set to where I am happy and I don't even think if it anymore, but this has been on my mind nonstop since I bought it.

Then I keep thinking that it's just me and I simply can't tweak it good enough.

When I get home tomorrow one thing I'm gonna try is to set it to fit to screen instead of 16:9, though I've never heard of that to be honest.

I just want to see crispness overall, the pq looks loose, nice color but sort of loose and not a crisp hd quality.

Like I said, this plasma my parents have was the icing on the cake. It's a 42, but it has an incredible pq.
post #1525 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

I'm Pretty old fashioned with tvs, so updating a tv and it's firmware I've never done. How would I go about this? .

Go to samsung website in your country, "Support" , "Downloads", "Firmware", download the file to USB stick and follow the instructions.
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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

I just am torn with it all because i generally can get a set to where I am happy and I don't even think if it anymore, but this has been on my mind nonstop since I bought it.

Is it the skin tones? Someone else said their Tivo guide was purple instead of blue. I have the Tivo so I know that the guide should be blue not purple. Purple indicates a colour decoding issue because the gray scale looks fine in these TV's. On some of the 40" EH/ES models I saw on demo, the skin tones looked horrible, even in movie mode, and there did seem to be a purple tint or haze over everything, despite the internal gray scale pattern looking fine. Then some people are saying purple trails in the dark areas too...lol what is up with purple on this set?!? The bigger issue is that I live in Australia and there are no retailers here which allow returns of TV's, once you bought it, that's it. You're stuck with it. You guys have it so lucky in the US where you have 30 day return policy.


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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

I just want to see crispness overall, the pq looks loose, nice color but sort of loose and not a crisp hd quality.

Again, are you watching TV through the TV's internal tuner? If so, try using a set top box connected externally through HDMI or component. Because I have found on all TV's I've had (including plasma) it always looks much clearer through an external input. I believe all TV manufacturers these days (with exception of maybe LG) are putting extreme lowpass filtering (softening) on everything through the TV tuner because they think it's full of MPEG artefacts, which is true, but softening doesn't fix it.

edit: also make sure you've disabled the MPEG filter and Noise Reduction filter in the advanced settings, as those soften the picture a lot too.
post #1526 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

Bought this set, was excited upon getting it but since having it home for a few days I'm just not in love with the pq.
But I'm conflicted because I see a ton of people raving, but then I see a ton of people mention average pq, which is how I'd describe it so far.
I'm just not sure what to do, because I'm here at my parents with the wife and we both are noticing their 42 plasma that has what I'm looking for. I mean I'm not sure which model this is but it's a year or so old, and it has that hd crispness that I just can't quite achieve.
Is the ut or st 50 superior to anyone that switched sets? Just need to figure something out.


I'm in the same boat. Got it in late November and after tweaking and playing around with different settings the picture is ok but it just seems flat or average. It's not bad mind you, but it just doesn't wow me like my previous purchases I've done. I have a Sony 55 929 that is truly spectacular and a Samsung 52b750 that is almost as good.Was just looking for a bigger screen.
I don't know if it's the screen size (65) or perhaps my too elevated expectations but I'm exchanging it for the 65ES8000 to see if that one satisfies my needs. Of course, reading that owners thread makes me doubt to do this but I guess I can only try and keep me from always second guessing myself after the return period expires. Thank God for Amazon!
The 60ES8000 I saw yesterday was truly spectacular in store, and I'm hoping I get a good 65 panel.
post #1527 of 2546
Well, a small update....when i posted this stuff i wasnt home with the set. I finally got home after spending literally all night almost reading posts and all kinds of stuff and soon as i got home the first big adjustment i did was change 16:9 to screen fit, and im gonna just say that the world of this tv just opened up to me...im not lying or exaggerating but my basic HD cable which is with Dish, just popped...just absolutely popped for me.

I then made a few more tweaks, just basic tweaks and man all of the sudden i felt like i had a brand new tv, or the new tv that i thought i was buying 3 days ago.

I rolled around to NFL network, Discovery, some premium movie channels and finally i can say without zero buyers remorse or anything that for the price, for the PQ, this is a great looking tv. Because this thing was gonna be in for a nice snowy ride back to Sears today if some of the tweaks i wanted to make from reading didnt work, i kid you not.

So im pretty excited...i was hoping that making the few adjustments that i wanted to make would work and they did. And now i got a nice looking, crisp HD picture, deep black levels and a bright tv for in my living room that finally popped for me. So thats my update for the day, and im a pretty happy owner of a 55" eh6000.
post #1528 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Savatage316 View Post

Well, a small update....when i posted this stuff i wasnt home with the set. I finally got home after spending literally all night almost reading posts and all kinds of stuff and soon as i got home the first big adjustment i did was change 16:9 to screen fit, and im gonna just say that the world of this tv just opened up to me...im not lying or exaggerating but my basic HD cable which is with Dish, just popped...just absolutely popped for me.
I then made a few more tweaks, just basic tweaks and man all of the sudden i felt like i had a brand new tv, or the new tv that i thought i was buying 3 days ago.
I rolled around to NFL network, Discovery, some premium movie channels and finally i can say without zero buyers remorse or anything that for the price, for the PQ, this is a great looking tv. Because this thing was gonna be in for a nice snowy ride back to Sears today if some of the tweaks i wanted to make from reading didnt work, i kid you not.
So im pretty excited...i was hoping that making the few adjustments that i wanted to make would work and they did. And now i got a nice looking, crisp HD picture, deep black levels and a bright tv for in my living room that finally popped for me. So thats my update for the day, and im a pretty happy owner of a 55" eh6000.

don't underestimate the value of a proper calibration (even a 'basic' one that leaves the white balance and gamma settings alone)... I've posted this before elsewhere on the forum, but here is a basic overview of what you should be adjusting on the EH 6 series

--Picture menu
Mode: Movie (start with Movie pic mode for best results, Standard mode is the next best choice but has undefeatable auto-dimming)
Backlight: (set to achieve desired light output)
Contrast: (set with a white clipping pattern/color clipping pattern like on AVSHD709 or GCD)
Brightness: (set with black clipping pattern like on the two discs mentioned above)
Sharpness: 0 (zero is the neutral setting but you can use a setting up to 10 without noticeable edge enhancement)
Color: (set with blue-only mode if your set has it (like the EH6030 or EH6070) or use blue filter instead with HD color bars pattern)
Tint: (same as 'Color')

Advanced settings submenu
Color space: Auto (don't use Native as it provides less accurate primary/secondary colors)
White Balance: [see below] (leave alone unless you have a spectroradiometer or colorimeter and calibration software)
Gamma: (same as white balance)
Dynamic contrast: Off (always leave off, makes calibration impossible)
Black tone: Off (always leave off, causes black crush/black clipping)
Flesh tone: 0 (always leave at zero, messes with reds/pinks)
Motion Lighting: Off (disabled and grayed out by default in Movie mode, turning this off in Standard mode still doesn't fully disable it (same thing as 'auto-dimming' mentioned above)

White Balance submenu
R-Offset:
G-Offset:
B-Offset:
R-Gain:
G-Gain:
B-Gain:

Picture options submenu
Color tone: Warm2 (or Warm1 instead if Warm2 makes whites/grays too pink)
Size: Screen Fit (must be set twice, once for 720p sources and once for 1080i/p sources)
Digital Noise Filter: Off (leave off to preserve fine picture detail and avoid adding motion blur to the source material)
HDMI black level: Low (only needs to be set for RGB signals (Low for 16-235/video levels and Normal for 0-255/PC levels)... if grayed out, don't worry about it)
Film mode: Auto (Auto1 if you have the EH6030 or EH6070... don't set to Off (or Auto2); otherwise, 480i/1080i film signals will look wrong due to lack of reverse 2:3 pulldown/improper de-interlacing)
Auto motion plus: Custom (use these settings for BD movies playing at 1080/24p; otherwise, use Clear)
-- Custom settings:
Blur reduction: 10
Judder reduction: 0
LED Motion Plus: Off (leave Off unless you want the image to lose half it's light output with no visible reduction in motion blur)

Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 12/29/12 at 10:21am
post #1529 of 2546
Im sorry if this is a newb question, but why are my settings changing for movie mode? I mean, the TV input movie mode is different than HDMI input movie mode. Isn't movie mode just over-arching no matter which input Im on? This sure is confusing!

So how many times do I have to adjust movie mode? Also, if I do have to manually adjust the movie mode for each input, can I just reuse the same settings or do I actually have to go through each one to set it?

Actually, I just thought about it, and I cant set TV input mode because the AVSHD 709 DVD wont play on TV input mode. What gives here??
post #1530 of 2546
Am I the only one that sets the Digital Noise Filter on Auto? I know most people seem to have it set to Off, but I've tried it both ways and I swear I notice no improvement in the picture with it Off and I think (though it could just be in my head) that setting it on Auto can sometimes reduce the splotchy effect you can get from a poor HD signal over cable.
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