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post #2011 of 2545
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I have no such issue on my UN46EH6030 with the S-PVA panel. I also had the EH5000 and EH6000 before (both also S-PVA) and had no such issues on them either. Maybe this issue is region and/or panel specific?

Yes, it's panel specific, some type/brand are more affected then others, but try decrease the BRIGHTNESS to 30 and watch some dark moving/panning object with bright background movie. Probably you also will see that purple/dark-red blur around the moving object!
post #2012 of 2545
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

Yes, it's panel specific, some type/brand are more affected then others, but try decrease the BRIGHTNESS to 30 and watch some dark moving/panning object with bright background movie. Probably you also will see that purple/dark-red blur around the moving object!

if I did that, I'd have no shadow detail whatsoever and an unwatchable display... what would be the point of this exercise?
post #2013 of 2545
Well I figured I'd take a chance and picked up a UN46EH6000 with a TS02 panel at BB today to replace my beloved Pioneer Elite 940HD that is suffering from black bar burn-in.

So far so good! It's surely not on par with my Pio but it is still surprisingly good (no black bar burn-in!) and so far I like it a lot. If I continue liking it this much once I do a WOW calibration my Pio Elite will be moved out to my garage.

Thanks for the very helpful thread!
post #2014 of 2545
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Originally Posted by BillKen View Post

Well I figured I'd take a chance and picked up a UN46EH6000 with a TS02 panel at BB today to replace my beloved Pioneer Elite 940HD that is suffering from black bar burn-in.

So far so good! It's surely not on par with my Pio but it is still surprisingly good (no black bar burn-in!) and so far I like it a lot. If I continue liking it this much once I do a WOW calibration my Pio Elite will be moved out to my garage.

Thanks for the very helpful thread!


The Disney WOW disc is good but the free AVS HD709 disc here on AVS is better , in my opinion for some settings. Also, keep the Back Light setting down to 25% or 30% of max or lower to preserve best black level on an LCD. I've included some basic starter settings that you will probably want to tweak. Make sure you have film mode (for 24fps) off when watching cable and other non 24fps material. (24fps should only be used for Blu-rays or other material produced at that frame rate).

Once you make some toned down settings, just watch the TV for a few days from a variety of material. Resist making changes to settings and never make any changes till the TV has been on for at least 30 minutes. Settings may need to be different depending on the signal source so minor adjusts may be necessary. Enjoy. .. . for an LCD in this price range, it is a decent LCD/LED TV.

Here are some basic starter settings:

EH6000 Basic Starter Settings.txt 0k .txt file
Edited by Phase700B - 2/7/13 at 5:20am
post #2015 of 2545
Anyone knows if the image in the UNXXEH6000 can be flipped vertically (upside down) from the TV settings?
post #2016 of 2545
Are you watching it in a mirror or something?smile.gif The only way you might do that is to mount it upside down on a wall mount or stand of some sort.

AFAIK, only some monitors have the ability to flip image formats on the screen with user controls. There is nothing is the user settings to accomplish what you wish. Maybe that will be the next thing. . . make TVs like iPads and tablet PCs with positioning features.
post #2017 of 2545
FYI, firmware 1011.0 was released for the UNxxEH6030 and UNxxEH6070 yesterday. I just updated from 1006.1 right now. It didn't reset my picture settings at all.
post #2018 of 2545
notes:

This firmware is for TV Model(s): UN**EH6030, UN**EH6070
The version is 1011.0
This firmware update will improve the following:

- Solves sound delay issue on HDMI source

- Improves picture quality.
post #2019 of 2545
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

Yes, it's panel specific, some type/brand are more affected then others, but try decrease the BRIGHTNESS to 30 and watch some dark moving/panning object with bright background movie. Probably you also will see that purple/dark-red blur around the moving object!

Yes, the blue/purple ghosting issue seems to be isolated mainly with the Sharp LCD panels as was just stated a few posts back in #1980 in case someone may have missed or ignored it.
post #2020 of 2545
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

going down to 1080i seems to help a lot, but the problem still persists to a smaller extent

I'm having this same problem with my Xbox360 over component video. 1080i is fine, 1080p has that ghosting. 720p for that matter too. Would love to know what's causing it.
post #2021 of 2545
Has anyone with the 6030 or similar 3d model connected his tv to the pc at 120hz?
The highest I could manage was 75hz with low resolutions
I tried custom resolution but it doesnt work. Gives me mode not supported message.

If you have can you please state your graphics card and what cable you are using?
post #2022 of 2545
The EH6000 series can not accept a 120HZ sync or frame rate. 120HZ is the refresh rate of a TV LCD panel in the case of this TV. The refresh rate of 60, 120, or 240Hz is not the same as the input signal capability. This is different than what a TV can accept as a sync rate from a signal source be it a DVD, Blu-ray player, or computer graphics card. The TV is doing good it it accepts 75Hz.

If you wish to have more info on the difference between LCD panel refresh vs. sync or frame rate, you can Google it.
Edited by Phase700B - 2/7/13 at 7:40pm
post #2023 of 2545
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Originally Posted by karoloydi View Post

Has anyone with the 6030 or similar 3d model connected his tv to the pc at 120hz?
The highest I could manage was 75hz with low resolutions
I tried custom resolution but it doesnt work. Gives me mode not supported message.

If you have can you please state your graphics card and what cable you are using?

No current HDTVs will accept 120hz signals.
post #2024 of 2545
ok thanks. So how can I play full 3d movies from my computer?
I have a couple of full SBS 3D movies and I managed to play them with stereoscopic player but I Im not sure if they are playing at full resolution.
post #2025 of 2545
Most of us here are like you. We have to look for answers to things also. You are not likely to find an answer to 3D from computer in this thread.

Use the search function above. I did and found this thread: There may be more like it. Somewhere you will find what you can . . . and can not do with your PC to 3d TV hookup.

[URL=http://www.avsforum.com/t/1240499/faq-for-the-3d-htpc/1230[/URL]
post #2026 of 2545
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Originally Posted by squibber View Post

I'm having this same problem with my Xbox360 over component video. 1080i is fine, 1080p has that ghosting. 720p for that matter too. Would love to know what's causing it.

What you are seeing is probably frame-doubling from 30fps games! and is normal due to low framerate conversion to 60Hz TV display.
You can download here a testclip to verify this issue:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1456808/30fps-vs-60fps-motion-test-frame-doubling-motion-smoother-cmr-trumotion-motionflow-etc#post_22932981

Read this link all about the differences of 1080i/1080p/720p etc.:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57524867-221/1080i-and-1080p-are-the-same-resolution/
post #2027 of 2545
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

What you are seeing is probably frame-doubling from 30fps games! and is normal due to low framerate conversion to 60Hz TV display.

There is another reason he may be getting "ghosting" around objects. If he is using component input instead of HDMI, it can cause such issues if cheap or excessive cable length is utilized. People forget that the component input is analog and thus subject to induce ringing of the video RGB signals. It is wise to use the shortest component cables possible to reduce any possibility of signal degradation. Also, cables of higher quality with proper shielding and impedance matching will insure minimal signal affects.

If component inputs are used, it is also possible the TV itself is the culprit. These inputs are an afterthought in today's TVs and not always high on the list of implementation. So lower cost components, signal routing, and internal shielding can also cause signal quality issues. I bought 2 TVs for family members, fully tested them, and made the video settings for them, as well as checking all inputs. In both of them, (one Vizio and one LG) the component inputs had ringing issues even with a 3 foot high quality component cable. It wasn't severe, but I could see it and my personal TVs had no such issue.

EDIT: One way to see if ringing is the problem would be to try using only the "Green" component cable connection to the TV. Leave the Red and Blue cable ends disconnected. The result should be a monochrome (B&W) picture on the TV. Sometimes, ringing will be absent if just passing through the luminance portion of the analog signal. I realize that the Xbox component cable has a special connector on the Xbox end of the cable, so it may be difficult to find a high quality 3rd party replacement cable.
Edited by Phase700B - 2/8/13 at 7:47am
post #2028 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

There is another reason he may be getting "ghosting" around objects. If he is using component input instead of HDMI, it can cause such issues if cheap or excessive cable length is utilized. People forget that the component input is analog and thus subject to induce ringing of the video RGB signals. It is wise to use the shortest component cables possible to reduce any possibility of signal degradation. Also, cables of higher quality with proper shielding and impedance matching will insure minimal signal affects.

If component inputs are used, it is also possible the TV itself is the culprit. These inputs are an afterthought in today's TVs and not always high on the list of implementation. So lower cost components, signal routing, and internal shielding can also cause signal quality issues. I bought 2 TVs for family members, fully tested them, and made the video settings for them, as well as checking all inputs. In both of them, (one Vizio and one LG) the component inputs had ringing issues even with a 3 foot high quality component cable. It wasn't severe, but I could see it and my personal TVs had no such issue.

EDIT: One way to see if ringing is the problem would be to try using only the "Green" component cable connection to the TV. Leave the Red and Blue cable ends disconnected. The result should be a monochrome (B&W) picture on the TV. Sometimes, ringing will be absent if just passing through the luminance portion of the analog signal. I realize that the Xbox component cable has a special connector on the Xbox end of the cable, so it may be difficult to find a high quality 3rd party replacement cable.

Any idea why the problem would be present in 720 and 1080p but not 1080i? Also, my Wii outputting 480p does not exhibit the ringing issue.
post #2029 of 2545
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Originally Posted by squibber View Post

I'm having this same problem with my Xbox360 over component video. 1080i is fine, 1080p has that ghosting. 720p for that matter too. Would love to know what's causing it.

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Originally Posted by squibber View Post

Any idea why the problem would be present in 720 and 1080p but not 1080i? Also, my Wii outputting 480p does not exhibit the ringing issue.

I think I also had this issue back when I owned a LN32D550 LCD. I think it's the display, not the cable since I'm using the official Wii Component Cable and it's the standard 6' length. Why the issue is far more pronounced with progressive signals vs. interlaced ones I don't know (though even with 1080i you can see it if you look very closely at text and the like... lines/shapes/etc.).
post #2030 of 2545
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Originally Posted by iBrad View Post

What you are seeing is probably frame-doubling from 30fps games! and is normal due to low framerate conversion to 60Hz TV display.
You can download here a testclip to verify this issue:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1456808/30fps-vs-60fps-motion-test-frame-doubling-motion-smoother-cmr-trumotion-motionflow-etc#post_22932981

Read this link all about the differences of 1080i/1080p/720p etc.:
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57524867-221/1080i-and-1080p-are-the-same-resolution/

it happens with apps like netflix on the Wii U and even on the main menu... not just games... it basically shows up on everything on the Wii U, not just specific content

post #2031 of 2545
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Originally Posted by karoloydi View Post

Has anyone with the 6030 or similar 3d model connected his tv to the pc at 120hz?
The highest I could manage was 75hz with low resolutions
I tried custom resolution but it doesnt work. Gives me mode not supported message.

If you have can you please state your graphics card and what cable you are using?

the optimum PC settings for this TV (and all 1080p ones for that matter) is 1920 by 1080 at 60Hz
post #2032 of 2545
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Originally Posted by squibber View Post

Any idea why the problem would be present in 720 and 1080p but not 1080i? Also, my Wii outputting 480p does not exhibit the ringing issue.


Why the ringing is not a problem at 480p would most likely be that the frequency of a 480p signal is much less than either a 720p or 1080p signal. Therefore, no noticeable ringing. as far as 1080i goes that is interesting. rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

I would try a shorter higher quality cable if possible. Even name brand cables have been know to be problematic at times. rolleyes.gif

Also, it is is very possible that the TV is the culprit as I stated in my previous post. The analog inputs are not even present on some newer TVs and even TVs that still have component inputs may have had less attention in the design and implementation or the component input.
post #2033 of 2545
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

Most of us here are like you. We have to look for answers to things also. You are not likely to find an answer to 3D from computer in this thread.

Use the search function above. I did and found this thread: There may be more like it. Somewhere you will find what you can . . . and can not do with your PC to 3d TV hookup.

[URL=http://www.avsforum.com/t/1240499/faq-for-the-3d-htpc/1230[/URL]

Thanks. That thread is great
post #2034 of 2545
Anyone knows what sharpness setting is actually 0 in PC mode? I cant figure it out.
In non PC mode if you turn it to 0 itv abviously 0. You can really tell. But in PC mode its not 0. Its somewhere between 40 and 50. But Its not 40, its not 50, its not 45. Its weird. It really bothers me. Im using it as a PC monitor and it looks like the text is coming in and out of focus cause the sharpness is not right.
post #2035 of 2545
Phase700B,

Thanks for the settings you and others have posted. I am scratching my head at your sharpness setting on my Costco EH6050. Your setting was 6 and I've seen others recommending in the single or low double digits. While it may work with some films, especially more than a few 1970's thru the late 1990's films, the low settng really seems to cut out alot of detail.

For instance, I ran across "Ice Station Zebra" broadcast in HD on one of my Comcast channels and was floored at the detail for an older film like that. There was one wide scene of the ice flow where the Sub team was hiking in the far distance in two single file columns. With the lower sharpness settings, most of the men were blurred and those at the end were almost unrecognizable. With a sharper setting, the detail of all the men was clear without any graininess.

It's a personal preference of course, but I prefer more detail, especially when the content and the TV seem to handle it without losing PQ. Am I missing something? wink.gif


Thanks.
post #2036 of 2545
Well, sharpness settings can be highly preferential. That said , it is best set with a pattern from a test disc that has multiple fine lines both horizontally and vertically. Plus, each TV may differ a bit. So , it's best to set sharpness by viewing a sharpness pattern for a test disc such as the AVS HD709. Brightness is also a setting that largely depends on the amount of ambient light in your room and mainly the back light setting you have. If you at least download the AVS HD709 pdf instructions it will explain some of this. If you just want a quick idea of what goes into making TV settings. . .. you can do a search on YouTube for" HD Nation Revison 3 calibration". there are several parts and each will help you better understand the settings. This same series of video tutorials is also on the *FREE* AVS HD709 test disc you can download and burn here form AVS.
post #2037 of 2545
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Originally Posted by bluewatermako View Post

Phase700B,

Thanks for the settings you and others have posted. I am scratching my head at your sharpness setting on my Costco EH6050. Your setting was 6 and I've seen others recommending in the single or low double digits. While it may work with some films, especially more than a few 1970's thru the late 1990's films, the low settng really seems to cut out alot of detail.

For instance, I ran across "Ice Station Zebra" broadcast in HD on one of my Comcast channels and was floored at the detail for an older film like that. There was one wide scene of the ice flow where the Sub team was hiking in the far distance in two single file columns. With the lower sharpness settings, most of the men were blurred and those at the end were almost unrecognizable. With a sharper setting, the detail of all the men was clear without any graininess.

It's a personal preference of course, but I prefer more detail, especially when the content and the TV seem to handle it without losing PQ. Am I missing something? wink.gif


Thanks.

I can't believe how gullible I was. I set sharpness to zero since it's supposed to be the most accurate setting. Bullsh--. I prefer at least a 10-15 setting with most blu rays, and will set it even higher still for OTA HD content, 25 or higher.

Watching blu rays with sharpness set to zero is flat out depressing. Might as well watch a blu ray, at least I know and expect that it will look like crap.
post #2038 of 2545
ironically, those who claim a neutral sharpness setting of zero (or close to zero) seems to cut out a lot of detail don't realize the sharpness control is really an edge enhancement control once you go past the neutral point (which is at or near zero on these EH series Samsungs)... this means the higher you crank sharpness up, the more actual picture detail you cover up with ringing/edge enhancement

so, if the goal is to preserve as much actual picture detail as possible then keep sharpness at/near 0... if you goal is to artificially sharpen the edges/outlines of objects at the expense of covering up the real picture detail, by all means do it

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm
post #2039 of 2545
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

I can't believe how gullible I was. I set sharpness to zero since it's supposed to be the most accurate setting. Bullsh--. I prefer at least a 10-15 setting with most blu rays, and will set it even higher still for OTA HD content, 25 or higher.

Watching blu rays with sharpness set to zero is flat out depressing. Might as well watch a blu ray, at least I know and expect that it will look like crap.

No worries. . ..cool.gif * That's kind of why I stated in my earlier post that sharpness can be a highly preferential setting. Besides differences between individual TVs, it's possible there may even be differences between panels. The best way to tell if there is any added enhancement (which is really added contrast to edges of objects) is use a fine line test pattern on a disc such as AVS HD709. But even then, there are those who would say one setting is causing halos or "ringing" around objects and others who see no particular issue till the sharpness is set much higher. It is an observed quality, so visual acuity does enter into it somewhere.tongue.gif
Yet, those who state a particular settings be it "0", 5, 2, 0r 12 will point out all sorts of articles stating what too much sharpening will do, yet it is still up to the TV owner.


A practical way of seeing if Sharpness is set too high is to look at a live HD (1080i at least) broadcast of some sports or news announcers (especially women with long hair) and see how their hair looks. As you increase sharpness, fine strands of hair will start to take on a frosted look, almost as though they are coated with white. You can start at zero while watching something like I just stated and adjust sharpness till you just start to see it make the hair have that frosted look .. . and then turn it down a digit or two. Once you find that setting where "false edges" start to appear, that is where you want it and a bit lower. That setting should be the same no matter what you are watching, be it Blu-ray, DVD, HD cable, broadcast TV from OTA (antenna), or a game system. If some program material does not look "right" or appears too soft or dull, it is the lack of quality of that program material. . . and sharpness should be still left alone rather then increased.

Another issue also is one TV maker will start the sharpness at some arbitrary mid point such as 50 on a 0 to 100 scale, and others start at 0 and go to 20, 30, 50, etc. One other point is that there is no way to really tell if EVERY TV made in a particular model line has the same "zero sharpening point". But some folks like to believe it should be the same for all TVs in a model line, but at the same time point put other settings are unique to a particular TV. That would be an assumption. wink.gif



LCD and plasma TVs are still relatively new to us, so it may take some time to understand how flat panels behave and what we are really seeing.
Edited by Phase700B - 2/8/13 at 7:00pm
post #2040 of 2545
Been playing with my samsung 6030 for the past 2 days.
Compared to my old samsung 6 series (le46a656a) my old tv had a lot better motion. But the 6030 has a lot better blacks. Im not sure about the colors yet cause I had my old tv calibrated with a colorimeter. I need to buy a new colorimeter and calibrate the new tv now to compare.

The one thing that I was pleasantly surprised about was 3D. I went to the cinema to watch drive angry and I wasnt really impressed. I watched Resident evil and Alice in wonderland at home and I was mesmerised. Really impressive.

One thing is that I am not happy about is that the PC mode is not true PC mode. You can tell there still some kind of processing being done. Theres still a lag. Its somewhere between game mode and pc mode on my old 6 series.
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