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post #2101 of 2546
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Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post

hello everyone.

im hoping i can get a non biased answer since this is the eh6000 thread.

im debating whether or not to get the unxxes6100 or the unxxeh6000. should i pay the extra $200 and get the ES ? I dont care about the "smart" features but i heard the panel is slightly better

Which Panel did you hear is slightly better, ES or EH? I've had both the ES6100 and EH and currently in the market for another 55"eh6000 with TS01 Panel. The first two EH6000 Sets I had had different panels that didn't look right to me so I'm going after the TS01 Panel.
The ES6100 suffers greatly from flashlighting and various issues of screen uniformity. There is a "Clear-Coat Screen" on the ES6100 that makes colors look a little off, IMO. It is not the same as an Ultra Clear Panel. Motion Resolution was nice on both the ES and EH. The EH6000 has a Direct-Lit backlighting system not Edge-Lit like the ES. There are no screen uniformity issues with the EH other than two discolored one inch vertical sections on the right and left side of the screen. It's only noticable on an all white screen and even then you have to really look for it to see it. The ES is thinner than the EH, Edge-lit vs. Direct-lit. I think the extra $$$ is because of the Smart TV on the ES, not PQ. IMHO, I'd get the EH6000 and save the $200.
post #2102 of 2546
Justin thanks for the reply. Is there anyway to see which panels the eh model has from the box or does it need to be opened? I was told the es has a higher dynamic contrast ratio and overall the pq was slightly better. But I haven't seen them side by side
post #2103 of 2546
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Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post

Justin thanks for the reply. Is there anyway to see which panels the eh model has from the box or does it need to be opened? I was told the es has a higher dynamic contrast ratio and overall the pq was slightly better. But I haven't seen them side by side

On the side of the box it should say Version #________ right under Model #_________. The ES might have a higher dynamic contrast but it has uniformity issues and the difference would be very subtle IMO between the two. If you don't mind flashlighting go with the ES6100. TS01, I've heard, is the best Samsung Panel this year. TS01 will be the first four letters of the VERSION #. Good luck.
post #2104 of 2546
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Originally Posted by GeForceFX5200 View Post

As I am getting quite desperate in my search for a TV capable of playing street fighter, I saw in the EH5xxx thread that 46 6030 had no input lag and no ghosting. But I'm having a hard time finding the input lag numbers on 6030, and of course subjective statement on no perceived lag for a street fighter player is a bit scary to just go by.
Does anyone know or would be kind enough to test their 6030 for input lag? smile.gif

ive got the 46eh6030 and haven't noticed any bad input lag, playing mw3 my k/d ratio was as good/poor as usual smile.gif

i can't give any exact figures as don't have anything to measue it with, but would guessimate that the 30-40ms quoted on a youtube video i saw is about right

i also find even with motion plus settings on the lag isn't too obstructive but maybe im not as sensitive to it as others
Edited by rolandjones - 2/25/13 at 11:33am
post #2105 of 2546
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Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post

hello everyone.

im hoping i can get a non biased answer since this is the eh6000 thread.

im debating whether or not to get the unxxes6100 or the unxxeh6000. should i pay the extra $200 and get the ES ? I dont care about the "smart" features but i heard the panel is slightly better

The ES models are generally considered to be a step up from EH. But I think that is mainly due to the smart features and thinness. If you look at reviews for the ES6100 it seems like a lot of people have had screen uniformity issues with them, because they are edge lit rather than back lit. Personally I would go with the EH6000 unless you really want the smart features (which you say you don't) or the super thin frame (which would be handy for wall mounting).
post #2106 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nwener View Post

The ES models are generally considered to be a step up from EH. But I think that is mainly due to the smart features and thinness. If you look at reviews for the ES6100 it seems like a lot of people have had screen uniformity issues with them, because they are edge lit rather than back lit. Personally I would go with the EH6000 unless you really want the smart features (which you say you don't) or the super thin frame (which would be handy for wall mounting).
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

On the side of the box it should say Version #________ right under Model #_________. The ES might have a higher dynamic contrast but it has uniformity issues and the difference would be very subtle IMO between the two. If you don't mind flashlighting go with the ES6100. TS01, I've heard, is the best Samsung Panel this year. TS01 will be the first four letters of the VERSION #. Good luck.

thanks

so i went to costco and for the EH model they only have TS02 and HS03. The ES model did have a TS01 panel... thoughts? I did some research and turns out i can disable the auto dimming (assuming thats what you mean by flash lighting?) on the ES model
post #2107 of 2546
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Originally Posted by absoluteczech View Post


thanks

so i went to costco and for the EH model they only have TS02 and HS03. The ES model did have a TS01 panel... thoughts? I did some research and turns out i can disable the auto dimming (assuming thats what you mean by flash lighting?) on the ES model

flashlighting is hot spots on a black screen in the 4 corners of the tv. screen uniformity is a big issue with all of the ES models including the ES8000. On an all black screen there are patches of light leaking through, bleeding into the blacks, hence screen uniformity. very noticeable on letterboxed movie and any "dark" content,(lord of the rings, harry potter, etc...)
I'm not for sure but I think the ts02 panel would be fine.
post #2108 of 2546
Many folks (me included) have a TS02 (Samsung sourced) EH panel and like them. The screen isn't perfectly uniform if I nitpick but overall it's exceedingly good.
post #2109 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bewlaybrothers View Post

Many folks (me included) have a TS02 (Samsung sourced) EH panel and like them. The screen isn't perfectly uniform if I nitpick but overall it's exceedingly good.

If you were to nitpick, what is not unifmorm about your eh6000 screen?
post #2110 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

If you were to nitpick, what is not unifmorm about your eh6000 screen?

The very furthest corners are ever so slightly darker which is only an issue on very bright scenes, and it doesn't bother me - it's actually improved over the months I've owned it.

Somewhat more noticable is a faint bright veritcal banding in one area which is only noticable during credits and extremely dark scenes. But even this can be helped by a lower backlight setting which I use.
post #2111 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bewlaybrothers View Post

The very furthest corners are ever so slightly darker which is only an issue on very bright scenes, and it doesn't bother me - it's actually improved over the months I've owned it.

Somewhat more noticable is a faint bright veritcal banding in one area which is only noticable during credits and extremely dark scenes. But even this can be helped by a lower backlight setting which I use.

That is nitpicking! The HX950 has more issues with the screen than that. I get your point though. No tv is perfect. Since you have a ts02 panel does the picture get washed out much when seen from off angle?
post #2112 of 2546
Guys, hi, I'm about to buy the 40eh6030, anyone has any objections?, or do you think is a good buy?.

Thanks.
post #2113 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Justin Sullins View Post

That is nitpicking! The HX950 has more issues with the screen than that. I get your point though. No tv is perfect. Since you have a ts02 panel does the picture get washed out much when seen from off angle?

Yes, this happens to some degree in all these sets but again seems to be mitigated by turning down the backlight setting. It's also dependent on how dark the image displayed is.
post #2114 of 2546
Hello, I recently purchased a 60eh6000 model after returning a samsung pdp. The eh6000 model performs better in my brightly lit living room. However, my biggest concern as mentioned in previous posts is how limited the off angle window is on this set. I've noticed the problem is really dark scenes such as the ending battle in Skyfall-any slight movement on my couch results in a greenish tint on flesh tones, blacks also begin to wash out. From reading posts it appears that this problem may be alleviated with calibration to a certain point. I'm wondering how others are coping with this problem. Have you returned the set? Have you contacted samsung? Could a future firmware update fix this problem? My 30 day return window already passed so I have contacted PC Richards warranty department to have it serviced. I'm curious to see what the technician will have to say or recommend.
post #2115 of 2546
Just got UN40EH6000 TS02 A panel *SPVA*

Really pleased with the viewing angles on this. Almost as good as my IPS monitor. I lose slight contrast but colors accuracy doesn't really change unlike it does with the non SPVA panels.

Also black levels are deep like on a plasma and im comparing this to my friends samsung PN51E7000FFXZA that has perfect black.
I was really surprised to see plasma like blacks on and LCD panel.

Here couple vids i made since doesn't really seem to be anything on youtube
Also *Sorry crappy quality its camera phone. Also ignore the ceiling light reflecting on screen i never use, had to turn on so camera would focus somewhat properly.


UN40EH6000 viewing angles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8PzfrYylo&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQxcNXcp2Zo&hd=1
Edited by demo23019 - 2/27/13 at 6:05am
post #2116 of 2546
Quick question for owners of this set. It seems that the eh5000 and eh6000 are basically the same tv, except the eh6000 has the amp feature, which it seems most are turning off. I'm between these 2 tv's , a big video gamer, and sports watcher. I'm needing another capable gaming tv that will be good with sports for the bedroom. Ideally I could get by with a 32 inch, which only comes in the eh5000, since my bed is only 3 to 4 feet from the tv, but then I wonder if I would be better off with the amp feature. Any thoughts, people that use this tv to watch sports, are you using the amp ?
post #2117 of 2546
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Originally Posted by demo23019 View Post

Just got UN40EH6000 TS02 A panel *SPVA*

Really pleased with the viewing angles on this. Almost as good as my IPS monitor. I lose slight contrast but colors accuracy doesn't really change unlike it does with the non SPVA panels.

Also black levels are deep like on a plasma and im comparing this to my friends samsung PN51E7000FFXZA that has perfect black.
I was really surprised to see plasma like blacks on and LCD panel.

Here couple vids i made since doesn't really seem to be anything on youtube
Also *Sorry crappy quality its camera phone. Also ignore the ceiling light reflecting on screen i never use, had to turn on so camera would focus somewhat properly.


UN40EH6000 viewing angles

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW8PzfrYylo&hd=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQxcNXcp2Zo&hd=1

looks good
post #2118 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Quick question for owners of this set. It seems that the eh5000 and eh6000 are basically the same tv, except the eh6000 has the amp feature, which it seems most are turning off. I'm between these 2 tv's , a big video gamer, and sports watcher. I'm needing another capable gaming tv that will be good with sports for the bedroom. Ideally I could get by with a 32 inch, which only comes in the eh5000, since my bed is only 3 to 4 feet from the tv, but then I wonder if I would be better off with the amp feature. Any thoughts, people that use this tv to watch sports, are you using the amp ?
Well if yhou get 6000 pretty sure they start off at 40 inch

The AMP is nice with sports, nature, concerts and other live events running at 60fps. Movies and even most TV shows I turn off.

As for 5000 and 6000 I actually got 5000 TS02 SPVA and had notible ghosting but not so much with the 6000.
TBH the 5000 could have been defective IDK ..both were TS02 and had A panels which are SPVA

Also bestbuy has the 2 on sale UN40EH5000FXZA is $497.99 and the UN40EH6000 that i have is $550
post #2119 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bucknuts07 View Post

Quick question for owners of this set. It seems that the eh5000 and eh6000 are basically the same tv, except the eh6000 has the amp feature, which it seems most are turning off. I'm between these 2 tv's , a big video gamer, and sports watcher. I'm needing another capable gaming tv that will be good with sports for the bedroom. Ideally I could get by with a 32 inch, which only comes in the eh5000, since my bed is only 3 to 4 feet from the tv, but then I wonder if I would be better off with the amp feature. Any thoughts, people that use this tv to watch sports, are you using the amp ?

I've owned both and I recommend the EH6000. The Auto Motion Plus feature is very useful to have. Many people turn it off but you can set it to "clear" and get some of the benefit without any of the soap opera effect. The EH6000 also seemed to have a less strong backlight because the corners of the screen were noticeably darker than with the EH6000. In addition the EH6000 supposedly has a better contrast ratio although it's debatable whether that really means anything.

The price difference between the two is really so negligible at this point that you might as well go for the slightly better version, especially considering the AMP feature.
post #2120 of 2546
I received the UN55EH6000 yesterday and spent several hours trying to calibrate it. i can't for the life of me get this TV to look right. While it does not look bad, there is dullness or washed out look to it. I have also noticed a little motion blur. I have used several different HDMI cables and tried using both my Mac Mini running Plex and a Blu-Ray player. It just doesn't seem to have that pop or sharpness my old Sharp Aqous had. I was going to update the firmware as I read it could solve some problems, but my set shipped with 1018 and the latest firmware on the Samsung site is 1012. It is a TH02 panel.

I really want to like this TV and would appreciate any guidance in finding a setting I may be missing or some basic calibration settings that might point me in the right direction. I would hate to have to return this thing after reading all of the good reviews.
post #2121 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

I received the UN55EH6000 yesterday and spent several hours trying to calibrate it. i can't for the life of me get this TV to look right. While it does not look bad, there is dullness or washed out look to it. I have also noticed a little motion blur. I have used several different HDMI cables and tried using both my Mac Mini running Plex and a Blu-Ray player. It just doesn't seem to have that pop or sharpness my old Sharp Aqous had. I was going to update the firmware as I read it could solve some problems, but my set shipped with 1018 and the latest firmware on the Samsung site is 1012. It is a TH02 panel.

I really want to like this TV and would appreciate any guidance in finding a setting I may be missing or some basic calibration settings that might point me in the right direction. I would hate to have to return this thing after reading all of the good reviews.

This exact conversation occurred a month ago in this thread with another member. He described the picture as "too English". When pressed, he defined it as too washed out. You also use the words "doesn't seem to have the pop..."; possibly the screen is too "matte" for you. Did your Sharp have a glossy screen? Higher numbered Samsungs like the ES7100 have an ultra clear panel, which is a glossy screen. Possibly head to a store and compare. Good luck.
post #2122 of 2546
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Originally Posted by dfp View Post

This exact conversation occurred a month ago in this thread with another member. He described the picture as "too English". When pressed, he defined it as too washed out. You also use the words "doesn't seem to have the pop..."; possibly the screen is too "matte" for you. Did your Sharp have a glossy screen? Higher numbered Samsungs like the ES7100 have an ultra clear panel, which is a glossy screen. Possibly head to a store and compare. Good luck.

My Sharp screen is more Matte than the Samsung and I am pretty sure that is not the problem. Another way I would describe it is smoothed out. It's like the small details are not as sharp and are rendered down like lowering detail settings on a computer game.. Perhaps I have not spent enough time with the settings..
post #2123 of 2546
I would also like to know which input/label I should be using for my mac mini/htpc. If i change the label to dvi/pc I loose several configuration options. Do the labels all have pre-configured settings? I am not sure what the best way is to hook this up.
post #2124 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

My Sharp screen is more Matte than the Samsung and I am pretty sure that is not the problem. Another way I would describe it is smoothed out. It's like the small details are not as sharp and are rendered down like lowering detail settings on a computer game.. Perhaps I have not spent enough time with the settings..

Based on what you are describing, I would try turning down the backlight and brightness settings. Then I would fiddle with the contrast setting to see if you can come up with something you like.

You might even try setting the gamma at -1, though I would try that only after fiddling with the above settings.
post #2125 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

I I was going to update the firmware as I read it could solve some problems, but my set shipped with 1018 and the latest firmware on the Samsung site is 1012. It is a TH02 panel.
There is no 1018 firmware you TV is displaying wrong 1012 is latest and is OK to update.. Your TV wont update if the firmware you're trying to flash is older.
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

I would also like to know which input/label I should be using for my mac mini/htpc. If i change the label to dvi/pc I loose several configuration options. Do the labels all have pre-configured settings? I am not sure what the best way is to hook this up.

For watching movies with HTPC i wouldn't use PC
Movies look much better with higher contrast and other options not available threw PC mode.

But desktop web browsing ...ect id use PC mode
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

My Sharp screen is more Matte than the Samsung and I am pretty sure that is not the problem. Another way I would describe it is smoothed out. It's like the small details are not as sharp and are rendered down like lowering detail settings on a computer game.. Perhaps I have not spent enough time with the settings..
Try disabling noise filter with it on you lose sharpness and things tend to look smoother and its worst the higher you set it.
If you enable then increasing the sharpness might help with the smoothness also.

Also go to auto motion plus and set it to clear it should reduce any motion blur.

Took me a while to fine tune mine also wouldn't use your cable HD as reference use a bluray or other HD source
I have Comcast and HD IQ is a joke your settings might look good for one channel then look like garbage on another
Edited by demo23019 - 3/1/13 at 12:50pm
post #2126 of 2546
Can someone clarify something. This tv says 120hz but sticker says 240 clear motion. What's the difference? Is the eh5000 120hz too or 60hz with 120 clear motion?
post #2127 of 2546
Ignore clear motion it does noting its samsung marketing gimmick

auto motion plus "120hz" is what makes things smoother

the 5000 doesn't have this feature the 6000 does
post #2128 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

I received the UN55EH6000 yesterday and spent several hours trying to calibrate it. i can't for the life of me get this TV to look right. While it does not look bad, there is dullness or washed out look to it.

I really want to like this TV and would appreciate any guidance in finding a setting I may be missing or some basic calibration settings that might point me in the right direction. I would hate to have to return this thing after reading all of the good reviews.

A washed out picture would usually be because the black level is set to high (brightness), the white level is set too low (contrast), or some combination in between.

Also gamma set to high can wash out the picture, and having the "HDMI black level" set mismatched to the source will either wash out or crush the picture.
post #2129 of 2546
My HDMI black level is grayed out on both my Cable STB and my mac mini. I have read that it is not something I need to worry about if the option is not available. Will setting my STB to RGB help?
post #2130 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Skep1 View Post

My HDMI black level is grayed out on both my Cable STB and my mac mini. I have read that it is not something I need to worry about if the option is not available. Will setting my STB to RGB help?

No. If it is greyed out then it should be matching correctly.
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