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post #2401 of 2546
I have the 65" and I have the MH 01 panel
post #2402 of 2546
Thanks Chochy. Happy to report that the 65" EH6000 does NOT have the purple ghosting issue with panel MH-01 which I believe is the only panel version for the 65". My 60" EH6000 died and after 2 attempts to repair, Samsung offered me an "upgrade" replacement with this year's edge lit model F6300 with ugly spider stand and all. Samsung's customer service has bee excellent through and through with this as I asked for the same model but they were out of them so the other option was a refund. I took the refund with the intent of re-purchasing the 60" EH6000 but they are sold out everywhere from a reputable dealer. Costco still had 65"ers on sale + 2 year warranty + extra year with Amex for a total of 3 years. Took a chance and it's the set I've been waiting for. I went through 2 EH6050s from Costco back in January which one had severe clouding and the other had a panel wrinkle. Then got my EH6000 60" from Amazon which was much much better. Some dirty screen effect and a weird Olympic ring symbol the size of 2 tennis balls which was only noticeable on all white scenes. I kept it and was happy with it but it always bugged me a little. The purple ghosting was equally present on all 3 tvs all of which were HS-01 panels by sharp. All purple ghosting on same test material. Negligeable, but there. The 65" DOES NOT have any purple ghosting whatsoever. I checked very closely with the same material. Screen uniformity is fantastic, minimal clouding, and some slight vertical banding that is only barely noticeable on solid background scenes with panning. of the 4 sets, this one is the best!
post #2403 of 2546
Anyone else have really bad motion blur on the eh6000? I've had the set for a month and a half, was hoping I would get used to it... Dumb mistake.

Watching tv was bearable and bought Diablo 3 when I bought the tv (stationary camera resulting in no motion blur) and was the only game I had played on the new set. Recently bought GTAV and the motion blur is now driving me crazy, and has really made me notice just how bad the motion blur is on everything when the camera is moving.

I've put the new firmware on it and gone through all the motion plus features, none of which has helped at all.

Any advice? How much of a hassle is it going to be going through samsung to switch out this set or just refund me? if that is even possble. I bought it at best buy I'm guessing since they have a 15 day return policy they will be of no help. bought a 5 year warranty I wouldn't even be that upset to lose it if I could just get something that is watchable.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
post #2404 of 2546
Do you have game mode on? I have noticed the blur but only in very specific instances. I play a ton of call of duty and almost never notice it.
post #2405 of 2546
Yea I have game mode on. Still the motion blur is terrible. If it was occasional I could live with it.
post #2406 of 2546
I have the UN65EH6000 and have an annoying color bands/shades from light to dark. When TV is viewing an image that has a gradient from a color in the center to a darker shade of the same color, I see bands of color trying to blend in from the inside to the outer color, kinda like a bulls eye. Basically looks like an old PC monitor set to 255 colors. I dinked around with the setting with no luck.Any body else have this issue? Any suggestions?
post #2407 of 2546
Has anyone run into or have any info on the YH-01 Panel. I just ordered the UN65EH6000 65-Inch this week and have not been able to find any info on this panel. I just got it delivered and I am acclimating it to house temp so haven't turned it on yet to check pic quality. Any info is appreciated.
post #2408 of 2546

 I just bought a UN65EH6000, mounted it on the wall, and am in the process of cancelling all plans and forgoing personal hygiene for a few weeks at minimum to watch everything currently stored on my WDTV.

 

The picture looks more than acceptable to me out of the box - but is there any consensus on basic "must do's" regarding any of the settings whatsoever?

post #2409 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Flark33 View Post

 I just bought a UN65EH6000, mounted it on the wall, and am in the process of cancelling all plans and forgoing personal hygiene for a few weeks at minimum to watch everything currently stored on my WDTV.

The picture looks more than acceptable to me out of the box - but is there any consensus on basic "must do's" regarding any of the settings whatsoever?

Did you buy from Amazon? What panel did you get? You can find out from the box or the service menu.
Edited by nxsfan - 12/3/13 at 5:25pm
post #2410 of 2546
Does anyone know where there is an up to date list of panel versions available?
post #2411 of 2546
Unfortunately the TV is going back regardless of the great deal I got for the 65" UN65EH6000 ($997.00). The colors especially red's and greens are unnatural no matter how much I try to calibrate them using my setting or those I find online. There is judder that will not go away regardless of auto-motion on or off, this has happened on HD programming, HTPC HD, and Blu-ray. The blooming and gradient blending is horrible especially on grays and blacks. And lastly because off the back-light bleeding, 2 inch thick line that goes down both right and left side of the screen. Only way to even slightly relieve these issues is to bring down the brightness, gamma, back-light so low the picture is ridiculously dark and even then when you turn off your room lights it is still noticeable. The one good surprise was the off axis viewing which was a lot better than expected and the screen seems to be semi-matte. I have the YH-01 Panel Manufactured this year, don't remember the month. Oh well, next up Sony 70" KDL70R520A and the Sony KDL65W850A 65-Inch. Both will be quite a bit more expensive but hopefully you get what you pay for.
post #2412 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

Unfortunately the TV is going back regardless of the great deal I got for the 65" UN65EH6000 ($997.00). The colors especially red's and greens are unnatural no matter how much I try to calibrate them using my setting or those I find online. There is judder that will not go away regardless of auto-motion on or off, this has happened on HD programming, HTPC HD, and Blu-ray. The blooming and gradient blending is horrible especially on grays and blacks. And lastly because off the back-light bleeding, 2 inch thick line that goes down both right and left side of the screen. Only way to even slightly relieve these issues is to bring down the brightness, gamma, back-light so low the picture is ridiculously dark and even then when you turn off your room lights it is still noticeable. The one good surprise was the off axis viewing which was a lot better than expected and the screen seems to be semi-matte. I have the YH-01 Panel Manufactured this year, don't remember the month. Oh well, next up Sony 70" KDL70R520A and the Sony KDL65W850A 65-Inch. Both will be quite a bit more expensive but hopefully you get what you pay for.

Well that's super disappointing to hear. I saw this precise model in a local store and thought it looked great (I forgot to check the panel). Mine arrived today, was manufactured Oct 2013 and has a YH02 panel (looks like it's just you and me so far smile.gif) I haven't fired it up yet.
post #2413 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

Well that's super disappointing to hear. I saw this precise model in a local store and thought it looked great (I forgot to check the panel). Mine arrived today, was manufactured Oct 2013 and has a YH02 panel (looks like it's just you and me so far smile.gif) I haven't fired it up yet.


I really do hope you have better luck with the YH-02 panel. I'm disappointed to have to send mine back but I was unable to convince myself to live with the shortcomings of this TV. I know a lot of the flat panels have one issue or another nowadays but when the screen sizes are this big and bigger it's just that much harder to ignore the problems.
post #2414 of 2546
Did you send it back yet? It's always interesting to see photographs of the problem areas with different panels (although it would probably be difficult to capture without a good camera/tripod). I will see if I can get a photo of the pixels so we can get further in discovering the source of the panel.

YH02 Panel


UPDATE 1:
Well started playing with mine. Out of the box it was terrible even my wife who can't tell that she's watching stuff at the wrong aspect ratio recoiled. After damping down some of the settings things are getting better. There is a whole lot of grain that shouldn't be there even on still images.

I tried to get a good picture of the pixel layout but I don't have the right equipment.




This is a white background, I noticed on detail sub sections of each pixel were enabled/disabled. There was some strange paralax of the blue pixel with respect to the red and green, but this may have been an artifact of my equipment.

This looks like a panel from AU Optronics.

This post suggests that all 65" panels from Samsung are manufactured by AU Optronics, while this post states that the MH01 panel found in the earlier 65EH6000 models is also manufactured by AU Optronics.

The backlighting looks even unless you are right up close, however whenever I display a fullscreen black image the screen turns off! I'll post more pictures as I make progress.

UPDATE 2:

I used this trick to stop the screen dimming when totally black (although it washed the colours out at the same time).

I need to pay attention to how others take these photos because I had a pretty hard time. Coming from a Mitsubishi DLP I'm new to LED LCDs and there's something I'm missing about screen technology and the way it shifts relative to my position.

Here is a shot of a plain white screen:


The non-uniformity is highly exaggerated by the camera, but was perceivable to the human eye. Subtle though.

The black background from directly in-front of the panel looked like the inverse of the white panel shown above. Taking a 1 second exposure from the side really highlighted the non-uniformity. I just need to clarify these artifacts were not visible with positioned in-front of the TV and were amplified due to the long exposure. As someone with no real experience with this technology I would say the uniformity was very good.



Obviously that moire effect didn't exist in real life. Somehow it manifested despite using RAW format.

Update 3:

I viewed the samples on the Disney WOW disk and watched sections of Tron: Legacy, Moon and Oblivion on Bluray. All three movies looked fantastic - leaps and bounds more vivid than my DLP. Moon and Tron both benefit from the panels decent black levels and there was good "shadow" detail from what I could see.

I played Borderlands 2 for a while and again the panel looked great. I drove the Mitsubishi DLP and this TV simultaneously via an HDMI splitter and I can say that the latency on this set is almost identical to the WD-C9 which itself has minimal latency. This was with "GAME" mode disabled, but almost all post processing options disabled.

Update 4:

Like the bizznyc who received a YH01 panel, this panel also exhibits color banding, although I suspect mine isn't as bad as his/hers.



Please excuse the terrible photo.

Update 5:

These are my current favorite settings. These are used with an HTPC set to output at 0-255.

First you must re-label the HDMI input as PC or PC DVI - this changes the base behaviour of the panel.

Mode: Standard
Backlight: 12
Contrast: 90
Brightness: 40
Sharpness: 50 (this needs to be very low when the input is not labelled as PC)

White Balance: Untouched
Gamma: -2
Color Tone: Warm1
HDMI Black Level: Normal (experiment with this as it depends on the source).






There is something I don't understand. When I have HDMI Black Level set to Normal it looks like Blacks in the 0-16 intensity are clipped/crushed. So far so good, except the TV seems to then display that 16 in the full 0-255 color space so the blacks are grayer than they should be.


I can't seem to use my DSLR to take pictures of colourful content so I used my phone (sorry). The photos were taken in typical living room brightness (not bright but not dim by any means). The first Oblivion picture fairly shows the brightness of the room.

Wall-e 1

Wall-e 2

Wall-e 3

Tron: Legacy

Oblivion 1

Oblivion 2

Warehouse 13 on Amazon VOD


The Warehouse 13 image was included to demonstrate some of the quantization error/banding/posterization this panel displays. It's vizable on both Mika and Pete's tops. In this case it could be an artifact of the Silverlight source.

Update 6:

Well after a week with this set I have to say we have a winner.

A little about my setup.Using Windows 8.1 with a GTX 460 via an Onkyo receiver.

I use NV_RGBFullRangeToggle to set my output to 0-255 (the nvidia control panel doesn't do this correctly). You can also set this using the madNVLevelsTweaker that comes with the excellent madVR renderer.

I set both LAV and madVR to output in the 0-255 range (maybe this isn't ideal?), and the HDMI Black Level is set to Normal as indicated above.

With this setup I get consistent excellent black levels across XBMC, the Metro Netflix app and Amazon VOD.

I have to say I've gone from being pretty unimpressed to occasionally blown away by the quality of this set. Sure the banding/quantization shows up from time to time, but it's very rare and I struggle to know when I'm looking at compression artifacts versus color quantization error.

All in all for $999 I think we got a steal.
Edited by nxsfan - 12/11/13 at 5:52pm
post #2415 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

I really do hope you have better luck with the YH-02 panel. I'm disappointed to have to send mine back but I was unable to convince myself to live with the shortcomings of this TV. I know a lot of the flat panels have one issue or another nowadays but when the screen sizes are this big and bigger it's just that much harder to ignore the problems.

Did u update the firmware?
post #2416 of 2546
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Originally Posted by lightforce18 View Post

Did u update the firmware?

Panel and TV were manufactured this year in October and had the latest firmware.
post #2417 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

Panel and TV were manufactured this year in October and had the latest firmware.

Dang ok. I ordered mine but it's on back order. I'm wondering which panel I get. Any consensus on which panel is best for the 65inch?
post #2418 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

Did you send it back yet? It's always interesting to see photographs of the problem areas with different panels (although it would probably be difficult to capture without a good camera/tripod). I will see if I can get a photo of the pixels so we can get further in discovering the source of the panel.

Well started playing with mine. Out of the box it was terrible even my wife who can't tell that she's watching stuff at the wrong aspect ratio recoiled. After damping down some of the settings things are getting better. There is a whole lot of grain that shouldn't be there even on still images.

I tried to get a good picture of the pixel layout but I don't have the right equipment.



This is a white background, I noticed on detail sub sections of each pixel were enabled/disabled.

If this page is correct and my eyes aren't deceiving me this looks like a Samsung S-PVA panel? Could I be so lucky?

The backlighting looks even unless you are right up close, however whenever I display a fullscreen black image the screen turns off! I'll post more pictures as I make progress.


Definitely not my experience with the backlighting. Maybe you did get lucky and the YH-02 panels are better than the YH-01's. Didn't send it back but it is all packed up and disassembled for pickup tomorrow. Do you notice any judder? Any blooming or bad gradient blending? Let me know I am still curious if mine was a bad panel or if it is a common issue.
post #2419 of 2546

 I have bleeding in the lower left corner which is pretty large in size but not very bright but it is detectable during the darkest scenes in movies.ttHh8k

post #2420 of 2546
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Originally Posted by lightforce18 View Post

Dang ok. I ordered mine but it's on back order. I'm wondering which panel I get. Any consensus on which panel is best for the 65inch?


Not sure there doesn't seem to be much or any info on the YH panels
post #2421 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

Definitely not my experience with the backlighting. Maybe you did get lucky and the YH-02 panels are better than the YH-01's. Didn't send it back but it is all packed up and disassembled for pickup tomorrow. Do you notice any judder? Any blooming or bad gradient blending? Let me know I am still curious if mine was a bad panel or if it is a common issue.

I have tried content at 1080p60 and 1080p24 and I have to say I'm impressed, no stuttering. 1080p24 looks smoother than on my DLP (which I think does 2:3 pulldown). I have disabled Auto Motion Plus and LED Motion Plus. All LED Motion Plus seems to do is halve the brightness.

I guess I covered blooming with the backlighting discussion above. How can I check gradient blending? View a picture of a smooth gradient and look for discontinuities?
post #2422 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

Not sure there doesn't seem to be much or any info on the YH panels

Where does it say the panel number on the box? Before they deliver it I want to tell them to tell me the panel number.
post #2423 of 2546
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Originally Posted by lightforce18 View Post

Where does it say the panel number on the box? Before they deliver it I want to tell them to tell me the panel number.



This sticker is on the side of the box. So in my case the panel is YH02.
post #2424 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post



This sticker is on the side of the box. So in my case the panel is YH02.
thank you
post #2425 of 2546
Yikes! The gradient banding on this set is dreadful! I thought it was the source material until I mirrored on the DLP. Why on earth does that happen? Please tell me I can fix this somehow.
post #2426 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

Yikes! The gradient banding on this set is dreadful! I thought it was the source material until I mirrored on the DLP. Why on earth does that happen? Please tell me I can fix this somehow.

I will say you can't but I am no expert. You might want to search the threads. I tried with no luck which is one of the big reasons it's going back. My sony KDL 55" has the issue too but no where near as bad as the sammy.
post #2427 of 2546

Can you take a picture of it?  Im just curious o what it looks like.  I just bought this tv from amazon when it went on sale for 999.  I am very nervous.  Does anyone know how easy it is to return a big tv like this to amazon is?  Im a prime member if that matters.  I get my tv tomorrow

 

Sorry it didnt quote.  I was talking about a picture of the gradient banding

post #2428 of 2546
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Originally Posted by nxsfan View Post

Yikes! The gradient banding on this set is dreadful! I thought it was the source material until I mirrored on the DLP. Why on earth does that happen? Please tell me I can fix this somehow.

Im not a tv expert. What does gradient banding mean for us not so technical?
post #2429 of 2546
As long as your TV has some defect, Amazon will have Pilot or whoever was you delivery carrier pick it up with out much of a fuss and credit you once they receive it back. I am a prime member also and they didn't give me a hassle at all. I just don't know if there is any kind of fee associated with the return, I am assuming no but, I will have to wait and see.
post #2430 of 2546
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Originally Posted by bizznyc View Post

As long as your TV has some defect, Amazon will have Pilot or whoever was you delivery carrier pick it up with out much of a fuss and credit you once they receive it back. I am a prime member also and they didn't give me a hassle at all. I just don't know if there is any kind of fee associated with the return, I am assuming no but, I will have to wait and see.

Thank you! I bet Im going to have the same problems you are since we ordered from amazon so close, but my eyesight isnt very good, so maybe it wont bother me that much.

As for the banding , Im pretty sure they are talking about this.....you want what is on the right, but they are probably getting the middle

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Colour_banding_example01.png&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colour_banding&h=303&w=418&sz=19&tbnid=JIUHrU9hEiV_bM:&tbnh=91&tbnw=125&zoom=1&usg=__RLbDiuO9S8tKojGhw_eiig7d40Y=&docid=W76NmAjTPgnh_M&sa=X&ei=z1yfUveyGsXRkQeep4GABA&ved=0CDAQ9QEwAQ
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