Official Samsung UNXXEH6000 Owners' Thread - Page 20

With the SPDIF on my mobo, I only get 5.1 when the source is DTS or DD. Any games or avi files, for example, won't go 5.1 even though they normally would when I was using analog 5.1 outputs. I've heard that using the HDMI out with nvidia cards will give you full-time 5.1 like it should be.

Thanks. I'll also give that a shot.

Edit: I REALLY like these settings. Best picture so far.
Edited by Dragonfly47 - 8/30/12 at 2:52pm

Hey does anyone here have the stand for a un60eh6000? I am getting the tv open box for a crazy ass price but it does not have its stand in the box...can anyone help a guy out?

Thanks guys!!!

Just picked up the UN55EH6000 at BB for $1159.00. Even with a little tweaking, dynamic is terrible. I put it on standard with the backlight raised a bit and the colors look pretty good. I'm not totally satisfied with PQ but I'll take a mediocre picture with damn-near perfect screen-uniformity over a great picture with bad uniformity any day. Was going to snag the EH6070 but I personally didn't think the active 3-D warranted an extra $400. Anyone have a Tivo Premiere with their EH6000? Everything yellow in my Tivo Guide looks too white-washed. Would calibration fix this? I could probably get BB to give me a free calibration if I threaten to return but I don't know if I want to go through the hassel of some Geek-Squad Tech coming out and screwing with my set.

Did you try warm 2? Did you calibrate it?

I have the temp on standard. Warm 1 and 2 throw the pic off too much. Calibrated with Disney WOW. Didn't have to actually change much. After watching a little more it's not bad. I got on the Tivo Website and pictures of the guide on their site were pretty accurate to what i'm seeing on my tv.

Try here: http://www.samsungparts.com/partslist.aspx?Catalog=Parts_and_Accessories&Category=UN60EH6000F

There is an "F" model and "FXZA" model, prob the same? You can also search on the returned parts numbers and locate alternative sources to save a buck or two. Remember the stand is two parts, doesn't appear to include screws as that's a third selection.
Edited by pyronn - 8/31/12 at 3:57am

PS3 owners: Do you typically leave game mode on or off while watching Blu-Rays? Thanks!

Anyone hear clicking noises on this set? Everytime I turn tv on I hear two or three clicks in the top-left portion of the tv. Only happens while I'm turning tv on.

The yellows look off on my set. I can't put my finger on it and I don't fully understand the white-balance enough to mess with it. I have a Tivo Premiere. Below are two images of what the guide is supposed to look like. Notice everything in yellow or gold and the "V" in Tivo at the top-left.



This is what it looks like on my set.



My camera is not the poblem with making this image look bland it is the tv. I've had TVs that look identical to the 1st two pics. I'm very happy with the overall picture (flesh tone, color, and screen uniformity) but this problem is driving me crazy. Would a professional or Geek Squad Calibration resolve this issue?
Edited by Justin Sullins - 9/1/12 at 11:15am

I think I might have fixed the issue. I never noticed much of difference through regular program material but when I had my guide up I changed the color space from Auto to Native and the yellow appears to be more normal looking. It's supposed to look gold and it's pretty close.

I turned the gamma to -1 and it looks even better.

Anybody using apple tv 3rd gen with their tv? I have the 6070 and notice lip sync issues after 15-30 min. On iTunes videos or tv shows. I've turned off all processing also. It's fine on directv.

Just apple. I've tried different cables etc

1st impressions of the EH6000 were pretty good. I liked PQ at first but now I'm not so sure after tweaking it a bit. I calibrated using Disney WOW and I have the settings at Standard, backlight at 14, brightness at 41, contrast at 98, color at 52, dynamic off, black level at dark, gamma -1, amp at clear, color temp at standard, color space native, and it's still too bright for me and the colors(mainly blacks and whites) are too purplish and pinkish. Skin tones are great. They look natural but at times it seems too red.

I've looked at many different TVs this summer and atleast another 60-70 on the net. They're all the same. Flashlighting, backlight-bleed, bad colors, S.O.E., and terrible blacks. I thought I could live with the imperfections of the EH6000 since it had great screen uniformity and ok blacks but I don't think I can. Aside from the Sony HX850 and the XBR-HX929 I can't think of any TV that would be suitable for me to purchase in 2012 and they're obviously a fortune. Maybe the Vizio M3D550KD. It does have great PQ and passive 3-D. Screen issues were the reason I took it back.

So, I will be taking the EH6000 back to BB for a refund. I'm not sure what I'm going to do for a replacement until 2013 tvs roll out.
LN46D630 has my eye at the moment.

Did you try the calibration settings posted by chughes737 and quoted several times in this thread? I'd be interested in your feedback. I have the 60" EH6000 reserved (layaway where I work) until after a bunch of nephews and nieces leave and get the better-half "fully" on board. I tried the Sharp 640U, I couldn't get it to where I like with football. All the reviews I read are pretty good, so I've been watching this thread and others closely in anticipation of getting it in the house.

I picked up the UN55EH6070 last week. By all accounts this is the same device as the UNXXEH6000 but adds 3D. Same direct lit (economy version of full array back lit), same power consumption specs, and all other non-3D specs seem to match with the 6000. I assume it is ok to post about the EH6070 on this thread since it was mentioned several times already and lacks its own thread. The 6070 is the same as the 3D 6030 but comes bundled with a Wifi 3D Blu Ray player (E5900) and glasses.

To save time later, the first thing I did after initial startup was to load last week's new EH6070 firmware 1006.1 which claims in the release notes of the zip file to have "image quality improvements". To my surprise it took me a few days to calibrate this screen. The options are limited but not too bad and certainly easy to work with. But I initially had a consistent problem fixing blown out yellows/limes/cheddar cheese colors. At first I was alarmed thinking that perhaps the new and cheaper direct lit technology sacrificed digital dynamic range. And I also had to deal with a seemingly old school 1990's overly red flesh tones problem. I tried multiple EH6000 calibration settings posted on this thread and multiple review sites but was not satisfied. I was considering returning it.

Finally, duh, I pulled out my Disney WOW calibration Blu Ray which I used to use on my previous home's dedicated home theater projection setup. It seemed like I hardly changed a thing, but somehow that calibration did the trick. Brightness and contrast were already perfect, but I did make minor changes to other settings. Everything looks pretty close to perfect now. The calibration on my old Epson 8700UB projector setup took about 20 minutes at our old house. And I think I calibrated our recently demoted-to-master-bedroom Vizio SV472XVT once for 10 minutes nearly three years ago and never really had to adjust after. Initial impressions are that the Vizio has higher end components with full backlit array versus Samsung's new direct lit. However, despite something slightly inferior with the Samsung in overall screen micro-light management appearance, the Samsung beats the Vizio in depth of color rendition. The Vizio might win for watching standard TV dramas and news. But the Samsung wins clearly when watching high depth modern animation like Toy Story movies etc and video games.

The direct lit technology uses fewer LEDs to reduce cost by quite a bit. There is a small price to quality which I can see but is hard to describe. Less micro management of light I guess. More like the first LCD's. When you bring up the all white screen on the Disney WOW calibration tools you can clearly see each section of LED lighting with grey gaps between each section and slight grey blotches in the upper left and right corners about 4 inches from the edges on the 55 inch model. I did not try this on the Visio, so nothing to compare this to. Whatever I see in difference is small enough that I don't really care however because the overall image produced on the screen during normal viewing is quite beautiful. I probably would never have noticed all this had the EH6070 been better calibrated out of the box.

So in the interest of helping others, here are my hard earned current beloved EH6070 calibration settings.
Backlight 19
Contrast 100
Brightness 44
Sharpness 12
Color 47
Tint G51/R49
Advanced
Dynamic Contrast Off
Black Tone Off
Flesh Tone -1
RGB Only Mode Off
Color Space Auto
White Balance G-Gain 26, all others 25
Gamma 0
Motion Lighting Off
Picture Options
Color Tone Standard
Digital Noise Filter Off
MPEG Noise Filter Off
LED Motion Plus Off

By the way, the reason I bought this model (and you might) over ES6500, ES7100 or other?:
-No need for an edge lit slim TV since this is a corner installation in family room. Also I can see the edge lit uniformity issues on the Costco showroom floor if I stand and stare long enough. The problems with edge lit screens would not bug me very much, but I really do not feel the need to pay extra for it.
-The EH6000/6070 TV has a mostly (but not a pure) matte screen. Plasmas and edge lit screens are almost entirely glossy to improve black levels. Glossy creates strong reflections. I can't watch anything when there is a light reflection on the screen. I just stare at the light and lose focus of what I am watching. We have kitchen lights in the distance behind one sofa and my wife likes to keep a light on around the sofa. The black levels on the EH6070 are great as far as I'm concerned. Black is seriously black. So don't worry about that if you are worried.
-3D for the kids! I had never before seen 3D on a TV. And while not a fan of 3D except for kids movies, I was impressed with Hugo and the Lorax. It's no more slightly distorted/weird than viewing in a movie theater. It is actually quite high quality and pretty cool in your home. Modern 3D is still for kids, or kids at heart. While nothing to compare too but movie theater 3D, this TV seems to do a good job with 3D. I also watched a quarter of NFL football in 2D to 3D conversion mode and it was kind of cool. You see the depth somewhat as if you were at the stadium so you can better tell the height and direction of movement of the players and the ball. For serious viewing I still classify 3D in the gimmick category. I would much rather watch a good non-kid's movie in 2D. But I do think the technology will improve and become more practical for sports and such, it is kind of nice to know where the ball is going before the play is over. The glasses must go though. Kind of annoying and inconvenient for making sandwiches in the kitchen and watching a movie at the same time!

Can't comment on sound quality. I have never used the TV speakers, in favor of my AV receiver and speakers.

Hello, I'm still a bit doubtful about near perfect screen uniformity on this model. I tried 2 different 40" and while both had great, perfectly even black in a (medium) bright room, whith light dimmed they revealed a really poor screen with lot of bright patches on an almost black screen (or on bars in movies).
For those who have a good panel, did you try to look at it on a black or near black screen with light turned off and (fundamental) in Cinema mode (which doesn't dim the screen)? Would you mind taking some shots?
Thank you very much

I'm currently using his settings. They do look good but there's just something about this tv that looks off to me. It's all preference and I know a lot of people like this set with those settings. Best way to tell if you like a tv or not is to try it out. Hopefully the place you buy it from has a return policy incase you don't like it.

I just got the un40eh6000.Is flicker on objects normal when panning in a 24fps movie even with 120hz?

Also does updating the firmware void the warrenty?

I watched Super 8 on blu-ray in 1080/24p and I did not notice any flickering while watching it. Is your AMP setting on smooth, standard, clear?

I don't think it voids the warranty because the update is coming from Samsung.

clear or off i see flicker on objects when panning, standard or smooth reduces it.Also when setting auto motion plus to standard or smooth i get this stuttering effect as if it is going from a higher to lower framerate every few seconds.

On most TVs, including the EH6000, when the defenition or frame-rate changes, the display box will pop up in the top-left or top-right portion of the screen with (1080/60i,1080/60p,1080/24p,etc..)
Are you seeing any of that while it's stuttering?

no

Are you only seeing this on 1080/24p? Personally, I've never had a problem with stuttering or jerky frame-rate but cnet did say it had issues with 1080/24p. It could be normal for the EH models. Like I said, I watched Super 8 on Blu-Ray in 1080/24p and had no issues but that was the only thing I watched in 24p so far. Sorry about your troubles.
Edited by Justin Sullins - 9/5/12 at 11:44am

Ok so i think the judder i see in 24fps movies is normal but when i turn the auto motion plus setting to standard or smooth in either movies,video games,or tv instead of being consistently smooth it looks as if its moving between 60 and 24fps every couple seconds.

Question:

1) Does anyone know what "Motion Lighting" does??

The canned answer in the manual isn't very descriptive. It says it automatically adjusts the brightness of the screen based on the brightness of "the room". I have a feeling this is incorrect, unless it's referring to "the room" as the picture on the TV. The TV menu says "reduce power consumption by brightness control adapted motion"? Sill cryptic to me.

I think it dynamically adjusts the backlight based on the percentage of blackness on the screen - like local dimming, but not localized Toshiba TV's have a feature like this called "Dynalight". It's only available on standard, and if "Motion Lighting" is actually doing what I think it is is, that "Standard" mode seems to have it enabled all the time- regardless of whether you have it set to On or Off. Just pull up a dark scene like a credit reel and you can see the backlight dim - try pushing "info" on the remote and you will see the screen get lighter. The only difference I can see between Motion lighting ON or OFF, is whether the screen will stay dimmed if you have a TV menu up.


2) What exactly does game mode do?

It has horrible sharpnness and dynamic settings initially, but once you calibrate it to look the same as standard I notice zero differences between them. I can't see that it's doing anything at all (disabling processing) compared to "Standard" mode. It even still does the auto backlight dimming on dark scenes!

The manual says "you may notice slightly reduce picture quality" and "If you display the TV menu in Game Mode, the screen shakes slightly", but I see none of that. It looks exactly the same - I can toggle it ON and OFF and picture doesn't even flicker like it's changing the processing.
Edited by chicolom - 9/5/12 at 12:33pm

I'm not sure what motion lighting does either. The backlight always dimms in dark scenes and on material where the majority of the screen is dark no matter which picture setting you use. It's annoying at times but does help produce a deeper black-level even if it is cheating somewhat. Game mode is for lag but honestly I've never experienced input-lag on any tv that i've owned so I've never used Game Mode. I can't imagine anyone actually using that setting as it looks terrible.

My backlight doesn't dim on Movie mode. "Motion Lighting" is also disabled on movie mode. Coincidence? I think not.

Game mode looks exactly like standard, it just has all the settings turned up. If you turn them down, it looks identical to standard (non-game mode). That's why I don't think it's doing anything.

I measured the input lag with Game mode ON and OFF and there is no substantial differences.


I think Game Mode is just an extra picture mode, with the same processing. I don't think it disables response time compensation or DNIe or anything like that.

I don't understand why Samsung says it will degrade the picture and make the TV menu shake - unless they just threw it in the manual as a universal disclaimer to cover their higher end models where it actually changes the processing.

Well, if it doesn't dim on Movie Mode it's probably because Movie Mode is already pretty dim to begin with. It's all preference but I've never found Movie Mode to be any good. I know everyone calibrates using Movie Mode but I just don't get it. No offense if you like Movie Mode. I have mine on Standard with tweaks by Disney WOW. I also have the Dynamic Contrast to off and the Motion Lighting is off and the screen still dims on dark content. Game Mode initially is an extra picture mode but it usually looks very bad. I notice on mine that's it's pretty similar to Standard though. You could be right about it being more for the higer-end sets.

anyone know what the service menu code is to get in? like to see whats available in there..thnkz..

mine dims also but you get used to it,,,tv is wonderful though.
Edited by gexxxy - 9/5/12 at 4:40pm