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post #751 of 2546
They are basically the same TV, but the 6030 has 3D. It is not a smart tv. There will be minor regional variations in tuners etc, but same PQ I suspect for 2D. The 6030 has been available for a while in the uk but there are no reviews really. What you can search on it suggests it's ok. I'm swapping an eh5000 for a eh6030 Monday so will see what it's like then.
post #752 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

I really cant offer anything more than an opinion. Research the hell out of the 6030 because that juwt sounds fishy. If you are satisfied that it is a good tv then get it but make sure you have a good return policy.


Buyers beware:

If you have indeed read through the posts in this thread you should then realize the following information based on buying one of these TVs.

The 6030 and 6070 may not have the same LCD panel which is key to best picture quality. Having 3D, WiFi and other features does not mean it will look better. An S-PVA LCD panel over all is what offers best viewing angle and black level combined. Be aware also that one TV may have good panel uniformity (ie even lighting in all areas of the screen and no flash lighting , banding, or clouding) and another panel of the same type may not.

So before you go returning an EH6000. . . . if it has good picture quality know that if you change your mind again and want it one back, you may not get one with the same panel nor one having the best even lighting. It's apples and oranges when buying a TV even of the same brand since Samsung uses several different LED back lighted LCD panels and all panels will not measure up the same.

Be aware also, that the added 3D circuitry may alter picture quality in 2D mode or affect other visible aspects of picture quality that may not be the case with the 2D version. More is not always better.
Edited by Phase700B - 10/20/12 at 3:10pm
post #753 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

My local BB has six UN46EH6030's in the back, all TS01 Samsung S-PVA panels. Nothing on display yet, though. I will probably go for it to future-proof my purchase a bit more.
http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN40EH6030-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B0083KGX96/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350775748&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+eh6030 There is after all something fishy. It is not wifi as stated earlier so that makes it begin to make sense. 3d seems to be the most obvious difference but why would they add 3d and make it cheaper? Is it because Samsung is just so kind? Read the review at this link and look at the comparison. It may be helpful. It should be very interesting to see what Hawkshot has to say after he gets it set up. That should give everyone a better idea.
Edited by Bond 007 - 10/20/12 at 4:50pm
post #754 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Bond 007 View Post

http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN40EH6030-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B0083KGX96/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1350775748&sr=8-1&keywords=samsung+eh6030 There is after all something fishy. It is not wifi as stated earlier so that makes it begin to make sense. 3d seems to be the most obvious difference but why would they add 3d and make it cheaper? Is it because Samsung is just so kind? Read the review at this link and look at the comparison. It may be helpful. It should be very interesting to see what Hawkshot has to say after he gets it set up. That should give everyone a better idea.

Best Buy usually sells "newer" tvs cheaper than everyone else. Give the 6030 a few weeks and it won't be $800 anymore. I bought the EH6000 50" when it was released and picked it up for $749. Three weeks later it was $1000. Don't get me wrong, I'm not at all defending the 6030/6070 or Samsung but BB could be the reason it's so cheap not that it's inferior to the EH6000.
post #755 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

It's WiFi ready (requires USB adapter for WiFi) and has a Ethernet port. It's like the 6070 without the BD player included and it's 800 at BB while my 6000 was $760 there (before I price matched it to $730). The review is pretty pointless since it's comparing the EH series to the ES series and D series and earlier. I don't see anything fishy here.
I stand corrected. If it has an ethernet port then that is helpful but it has no browser or apps. 3d of course is nice. If you are certain that you can get a good panel type then I can see the interest. Hopefully Hawkshot can give some more input before long to help in the decision.
post #756 of 2546
Update*

My 46eh6000 is verson #CS01.... The only issue I've noted are ghosting (every once in a while when watching sports) and some blurryness during fast moving scenes... Ive spent a lot of time calibrating the set and the colors are very accurate and pq is pretty decent.. However I haven't read any good things about the CMI Panels. Are the issues im seeing directly related to the panel or could it be the signal? Am I better off returning the set and seeing if I can find a unxxeh6000 with a true Samsung panel (i.e. txxx)? Are there any noted issues with the Samsung panels that may not be present on the CMI panels?
post #757 of 2546
UN46EH6030, Panel Version TS01, Build Date September 2012, Firmware Version 1011





Samsung UN46EH6030 Picture Settings Standard 9-16-13.docx 17k .docx file
Edited by PlasmaPZ80U - 9/16/13 at 1:46pm
post #758 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

Both the 46EH6070 and 55EH6070 are good entry level 3d bundles from looking at them in a couple stores. I think with proper settings, 2D looks as good as the EH6000. . . 3D is good to ok depending on source material.
One thing. . . check the current Sears price on both EH6070 bundles. as of yesterday they were about $100 to $300 cheaper than BB or even other online prices. You MUST register with Sears online to get the price though and can go to a local store for pick up. All you have to do is check "local availability". If you do not register with Sears on line the price is the same as other places. I am tempted.cool.gif

It looks like my observation way back in mid August, about the EH6070 being a good mid priced buy for 2d/3D were spot on. Back then, some folks were pointing out professional reviews from "respected sources" rolleyes.gif and said that source indicated the EH6000 series had serious issues. Now it appears, that as noted, with an S-PVA panel it provides a lot of what people want for this price range.

Good to know that sometimes pro reviews are not all they appear to be. Some of these earlier reviews may have had some of the other LCD panels that suffer from less than stellar performance, unlike the TS01.
post #759 of 2546
PlasmaP so do you prefer the 6030 with the Samsung panel over the 6000 with the Samsung panel? Which tv do you think is better?
post #760 of 2546
Btw the geek squad white balance settings on page 14 or 15 I forget what page but they're actually spot on.... I'm on warm1 instead of warm2 and am very pleased with the colors....
post #761 of 2546
I am the new owner of a 55EH6000, being delivered tomorrow. I was just wondering how to tell which Panel it has when I unbox it? the TS01 seems to be the best as per what I have been reading. I tried searching for the answer but could not find it so I apologize if it is posted somewhere already. I plan on calibrating per previous post using AVS right away biggrin.gif

Thanks guys!
post #762 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Outlaw420 View Post

I am the new owner of a 55EH6000, being delivered tomorrow. I was just wondering how to tell which Panel it has when I unbox it? the TS01 seems to be the best as per what I have been reading. I tried searching for the answer but could not find it so I apologize if it is posted somewhere already. I plan on calibrating per previous post using AVS right away biggrin.gif
Thanks guys!

Click the link in my sig....
post #763 of 2546
Thank you!!!!
post #764 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I'm watching Inception (Blu-ray) right now in 2D and the PQ is solid... I suppose motion resolution is a bit worse given there's no AMP, but it looks like 2:3 pulldown is avoided with 24fps sources (5:5 pulldown used instead). Overall, the 2D PQ appears noticeably better at the moment.

So it looks like you have decided to get the 6030. I watched most of Sherlock Holmes Game of Shadows last night and it looked pretty good. Calibrated it myself using AVS HD using the basic calibration.

I am a little worried because the two HDMI ports are relocated to the back. When I plugged in the cables I could feel the motherboard flex.
post #765 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

I prefer the TS01 panel over the TS02 since it has 500:1 extra CR, perfect color, and very linear gamma.

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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Yes TS01 is best, better than even the TS02.

I'm not sure that can be generalized yet (based on one example). For example, maybe the 6030 uses a slightly different panel than 6000 and that accounts for the changes....
post #766 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Yeah, and while I haven't returned my 6000 just yet, I will be doing so once I'm 100% sure this TV is the better choice (probably 99% sure right now).
Regarding the rear inputs, I wouldn't worry about a little flex since it's normal for sets with a plastic back panel like the 6030. My LG 42LK450 does the same thing when plugging in HDMI cables to the back panel.
I prefer the TS01 panel over the TS02 since it has 500:1 extra CR, perfect color, and very linear gamma.
Where you watching Inception at the store when you were commenting on the PQ of the 6030 or do you have them both at the house?
Edited by Bond 007 - 10/22/12 at 10:13am
post #767 of 2546
I'd like to hopefully add a little to this discussion if i can. And BTW i am coming from a (seams to be) very good 27" CRT.

I have at home now both a 46" EH6000 - TS02 1017.1 FW built september 2012 that i ordered in October from Amazon.
Also i was able to get in on there deal for a $1000 55" 6070 - TH01 built May 2012; FW updated from 1005 to 1006 that also came with the 3d blu ray player and glasses.
I'm having a hard time deciding which to keep; so i thought i would post my general thoughts on the matter here and hopefully contribute.
Impressions: I really like the 46eh6000, I also happen to like the AMP sometimes, so it's a nice feature to have.
I've noticed that it seems to me that the 46 has a better tuner when hooked up to the same OTA antenna. While watching the same material on both TV's i seem to prefer the 4heh6000 just a little more, but I'm not sure if it isn't just bias from what i had previously read about the ts02 panels being very good. I don't have an actual meter, but i did eyeball the AVSforum calibration disc and use PlasmaP's settings as well.

I actually opened up a ticket with Samsung trying to get some more technical details, but besides not giving me a return call as promised, I'm told that the TH and TS panels are supposed to be the same and the letter just denotes they are manufactured in a different country/facility. Also i have looked at the service menu of the 6070 and noted two things: it actually thinks it's a 6030(so i guess 6070 is just the bundle version) and it has a 60 HZ panel, when looking up the panel identifier. I'm not sure then why this is labelled a 240 CMR set...
Oh one more thing, Samsung told me the 6070 is what general goes to club type stores(costco, sams, etc...) and it was the lower volume set and that reliability would _probably_ be better on the regular eh6000 series. Anyone else have any thoughts on this or information?

So now I'm not sure which i should keep.. is the extra 9 inches and and 3d blu-ray player worth ~$300? I'll probably get a PS3 anyway, making the blu-ray player redundant?.

P.S. I tried the 3d; nice to have i suppose, but it didn't do anything for me.
P.P.S oh also I have to say i was not impressed with Amazons "white glove service" despite bringing it in the house; they were going to leave after bringing the box in. When i asked about it they actually pulled it out of the box and bolted it too the stand. However they managed to smudge the corner and the stands it sits on now causes to tilt back about 5-10 degrees. Is this how anyone else 6070 is or did they just not get the stand in incorrectly?
post #768 of 2546
I'd like to hopefully add a little to this discussion if i can. And BTW i am coming from a (seams to be) very good 27" CRT.

I have at home now both a 46" EH6000 - TS02 1017.1 FW built september 2012 that i ordered in October from Amazon.
Also i was able to get in on there deal for a $1000 55" 6070 - TH01 built May 2012; FW updated from 1005 to 1006 that also came with the 3d blu ray player and glasses.
I'm having a hard time deciding which to keep; so i thought i would post my general thoughts on the matter here and hopefully contribute.
Impressions: I really like the 46eh6000, I also happen to like the AMP sometimes, so it's a nice feature to have.
I've noticed that it seems to me that the 46 has a better tuner when hooked up to the same OTA antenna. While watching the same material on both TV's i seem to prefer the 4heh6000 just a little more, but I'm not sure if it isn't just bias from what i had previously read about the ts02 panels being very good. I don't have an actual meter, but i did eyeball the AVSforum calibration disc and use PlasmaP's settings as well.

I actually opened up a ticket with Samsung trying to get some more technical details, but besides not giving me a return call as promised, I'm told that the TH and TS panels are supposed to be the same and the letter just denotes they are manufactured in a different country/facility. Also i have looked at the service menu of the 6070 and noted two things: it actually thinks it's a 6030(so i guess 6070 is just the bundle version) and it has a 60 HZ panel, when looking up the panel identifier. I'm not sure then why this is labelled a 240 CMR set...
Oh one more thing, Samsung told me the 6070 is what general goes to club type stores(costco, sams, etc...) and it was the lower volume set and that reliability would _probably_ be better on the regular eh6000 series. Anyone else have any thoughts on this or information?

So now I'm not sure which i should keep.. is the extra 9 inches and and 3d blu-ray player worth ~$300? I'll probably get a PS3 anyway, making the blu-ray player redundant?.

P.S. I tried the 3d; nice to have i suppose, but it didn't do anything for me.
P.P.S oh also I have to say i was not impressed with Amazons "white glove service" despite bringing it in the house; they were going to leave after bringing the box in. When i asked about it they actually pulled it out of the box and bolted it too the stand. However they managed to smudge the corner and the stands it sits on now causes to tilt back about 5-10 degrees. Is this how anyone else 6070 is or did they just not get the stand in incorrectly?
post #769 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

perhaps, but the way I see it the TS01 is a slightly different panel than the TS02 (and I did own two TS02's; on the 5000 and 6000)... so essentially we are saying the same thing
it's a shame no one else has calibrated these sets yet with a meter... which makes it difficult to know these things for sure (and the 'expert' reviews can't be trusted, as the panel versions are not stated and the testing methods could vary)

Do you think (while you still have both) you could take a close up pic off the sub pixels to see if they differ? They could be two different S-PVA variants...
post #770 of 2546
It looks like the tv we are getting is the 46eh6000. I've been reading through this forum today and read all the stuff about the different panels and it sounds like the best panel would be a Txxx if I can find it. I went out this evening and discovered that the place I want to buy from(family member gets a discount) apparently has a tv in their stockroom with TS01 on the box. I was just thinking the voice on the walkie talkie could have said CS01, but I think it was T. I guess I'll find out tomorrow when I go to buy it and they bring the box out.
Edited by Kelud - 10/22/12 at 6:37pm
post #771 of 2546
Even if it is a CS01 use these settings before you return it...

Movie
Backlight 15
Contrast 93
Brightness 55
Sharpness 30
Color 48
G52/R48
Color space native
White balance:
25
27
23
20
24
25
Gamma -1
Dyn cont off
Black tone - dark
Flesh 0
Warm 1
Size 16:9
DNF off
Hdmi black low
Film off
AMP custom
Blur 7
Judder 5
Led motion plus off
post #772 of 2546
So I received a version CH02 (S-MVA?). It arrived an hour before I had to work, so I didn't really get to do much with it other than upgrade firmware from 1008 to 1012.3. I'll have to check the service menu when I get home to be sure exactly what panel it has. Going to calibrate before making any judgements smile.gif
post #773 of 2546
I am worried the 46" may be too big considering my Dad likes to watch tv while laying on his side on the floor 6 ft away. He currently uses an old CRT with the same screen height as a 38" hdtv. Even for HD content that seems pretty close, but he also still watches a lot of SD content. How well or poorly does the EH6000 display SD tv shows? I'm concerned SD content may look pretty lousy on a 46" screen from 6 ft away. I was leaning toward getting the 40" to minimize this issue, but he said he wants a bigger screen.

There is a chair and a sofa that sometimes get used to watch tv, and those viewing positions are 9 ft away from the tv, so a 46" would certainly be ok there. I may be able to get my Dad's typical floor viewing spot moved back a foot to 7 ft.
Edited by Kelud - 10/23/12 at 6:46am
post #774 of 2546
Hey guys, is the UN40EH6030 back lit or edge lit?
post #775 of 2546
I just bought the 46eh6000 from Target. I went to the store that's closer, thinking they may have the TS01/02 version like the store on the other side of town did. They brought out a TS02 so I went ahead and got it. So if the sticker on the box says TS02 it is definitely the Samsung S-PVA panel, is this right?
post #776 of 2546
I'm swapping an eh5000 for a eh6030 Monday so will see what it's like then.[/quote


Just a quick update. I did get the eh6030, but I have sent in back already. Despite some better motion handling though the AMP (and the 6030 in the uk has this) its overal PQ was not as good as my 46 eh5000 (less good with contrast and not as good with blacks). Both were/are 01 Samsung panel spva versions (checked in the service menu). The 6030 set was also far less robust than the 5000 in terms of build quality. So I'm sticking with my 5 series which is a great 'value' TV.
Edited by lostremote - 10/24/12 at 3:10pm
post #777 of 2546
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

"Direct Lit" (means full array/back lit but with fewer LEDs than even edge lit models... still, the set is very uniform and bright and my TS01 46" EH6030 has incredible PQ for a set at this price)

Cool. That's what I'm looking for. Thanks for the confirmation.

Need a small 40 incher for the bedroom. This guy is going to be the one. Going to pick it up from Sears tonight. Are the "TS01" version indicators on the box itself (so you can see which one you're buying)?
post #778 of 2546
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Originally Posted by [omen] View Post

Are the "TS01" version indicators on the box itself (so you can see which one you're buying)?

On my box there is a sticker on each end with bar codes and some other stuff, and near the bottom of the stickers it says "Version: TS02".
post #779 of 2546
I've been watching the new tv this evening. Earlier, when I first had the tv up on the stand in the corner of the room, it didn't seem that big so I was happy I got the 46". However, once I was watching various programming it really struck me how big this is. I'm just not used to watching such a large screen. I typically watch a 26" lcd from about 6 ft, so watching a 46" from 7-9 ft is quite a noticeable change. If this was my primary viewing tv I think I'd prefer the 40". My Dad is used to watching a 38" equivalent CRT screen from 6 ft so hopefully this new one won't be such a shock to his eyes. I have to say that right now my eyes are feeling a bit uncomfortable just from watching the new tv for a while.

I have played around with the motion stuff. I can definitely see the soap opera effect everyone talks about when I turn on the 'smooth' setting. I don't think it's that bad, but prefer the normal motion. Even if I loved the SOE, however, it's pretty clear the processor/software sometimes have trouble with it. I see a lot of errors and weird effects that are quite noticeable and detract somewhat from the viewing experience, especially with fast arm and hand movements. Right now I have it set to custom with blur reduction at 10 and judder at 0(I'm not really sure what the tv is doing with blur reduction at 10, but it looks pretty normal so I'm assuming maxing out the judder is what would cause the soap opera effect?) The motion is certainly not perfect regardless of the setting, but I suppose that's to be expected from an LCD. I'm also guessing the closer you sit and the larger the screen the more you'll notice the motion blur. I'm still an LCD novice so I'm not sure how motion on this tv would compare with others. I suppose the same goes for everything else about the tv as well.

I have a question about the 'sharpness' setting. A couple of the expert reviewers(CNET, etc) have sharpness set to zero in their list of ideal settings, but when I set it that low the picture loses all the crispness and doesn't look very good. Why do the experts have it set to zero?

One little annoyance... a lot of times when I switch channels(I use an HD cable box) the video source info pops up in the upper left corner of the screen and stays there for a few to several seconds. Is there any way to stop it from doing that?

Edit: Just remembered one other issue. At times I've noticed the audio and video are not sync'd up perfectly. I just noticed this again during a commercial when people were talking and also during Sportscenter. The lips and voices are slightly out of sync and that kind of thing drives me nuts. Any idea what could be causing this? I'm not seeing it on my 26" lcd.
Edited by Kelud - 10/23/12 at 8:38pm
post #780 of 2546
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Originally Posted by Kelud View Post

I have a question about the 'sharpness' setting. A couple of the expert reviewers(CNET, etc) have sharpness set to zero in their list of ideal settings, but when I set it that low the picture loses all the crispness and doesn't look very good. Why do the experts have it set to zero?.

The reason is because increasing sharpness is technically adding information to the signal, it's not preserving the original signal. If one is trying to judge or appreciate the value of a signal, one would want to represent that original signal as faithfully as possible. Hence all the concern for proper calibration. You're preserving the original intent of the filmmaker, producer, etc.

The way they increase sharpness, at least historically, was by increasing the contrast at edges. At a minimal setting this is pretty, well, minimal. At a maximum setting, however, you can see hard white and black edges added to the existing edges to increase the contrast. This additional information is the NG stuff we're trying to avoid.
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