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Subwoofer recommendation to match Paradigm Studio

post #1 of 13
2/22/12 at 8:40am
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I need some advise regarding a subwoofer to match my 7.0 Paradigm Studio setup, I just bought a studio setup 100, 690, and 4 590 surround. The dealer who sold me the speaker have recommended a Sub 15 with my setup. However, I am lean toward the SVS PB-13 Plus sub for my 20'x14.4'x8.5' dedicated room. (thought about dual sub setup too)

In term of availability in my region. I live in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia and the speakers dealer is in Dubai so I will be shipping them from there which is not a big problem. On the other hand, the SVS I will be buying online shipped to my sister's apartment in NY and I will pick it up when I visit my sister in April, and of course I will pay green to ship a 150 lb sub with me. So price wise they will be the same $2k for the sub plus shipping which will be around $600, and for the Sub 15 they gave me an offer on it since I bought the speaker from them for about $2,133, they are holding the last one they have from last year's stock until the end of next week. I read about the JL Audio f112 and I contacted the dealer in the region and his prices was almost the double of what I was offered on the Paradigm!

But in term of performance how would a sealed 15" 1,700 RMS compare to a ported 13.5" 1,000 DPS?
My use will be 30% music and 70% HT.

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post #2 of 13
2/22/12 at 8:54am
Not sure how it would compare to the PB13-Ultra, but the SUB 15 - like the Servo-15 v2 before it - is an awesome sub in its own right. If you want to optimize its performance, see if you can get Paradigm to include the Perfect Bass Kit (PBK) with it.

Since you might be interested in duals, one option to consider is dual ChaseHT SS-18.1 subwoofers (two 18" passive sealed subs, powered by a Dayton SA1000 amp that puts out 2 x 475W). I run them with my Studio set-up (60v4s, CC-690v5 and 20v4s) in my ~15' x 30' x 7.5' = ~3,375 cu.ft. room (click on my signature, below). They look good, play loud, hit hard and sound great.
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post #3 of 13
2/22/12 at 8:38pm
I'm not sure if you're considering a PB13 Ultra or a PB12 Plus since there's no such animal as a PB13 plus....but if it's the Ultra, I can attest that the sub kicks ass with my Studio setup. Eljay's setup looks very interesting also especially considering you get 2 subs for one SVS.

I didn't think I would even consider another sub but it looks like another Ultra will be sitting beside my left speaker soon.
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post #4 of 13
2/22/12 at 9:01pm
I am running the HSU VTF-15H with studio's V3's but really any of the quality ID subs would work its just a matter of budget and how much room you intend to fill at what level.
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post #5 of 13
2/22/12 at 9:17pm
I run two hsu research vtf15s and the bass is impressive, clean and fluid. All subs integrate well with any speaker honestly. You just need to decide if you prefer sealed to ported, how much punch you want. I would consider duals if your receiver can EQ them.
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post #6 of 13
2/23/12 at 1:37am
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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

Not sure how it would compare to the PB13-Ultra, but the Sub-15 - like the Servo-15 v2 before it - is an awesome sub in its own right. If you want to optimize its performance, see if you can get Paradigm to include the Perfect Bass Kit (PBK) with it.

Since you might be interested in duals, one option to consider is dual ChaseHT SS-18.1 subwoofers (two 18" passive sealed subs, powered by a Dayton SA1000 amp that puts out 2 x 475W). I run them with my Studio set-up (60v4s, CC-690v5 and 20v4s) in my ~15' x 30' x 7.5' = ~3,375 cu.ft. room (click on my signature, below). They look good, play loud, hit hard and sound great.

I would love to have the variety to choose from just like you guys have in the US, but all we have locally is Velodyne, Polk Audio, and Yamaha. All except to Velodyne DD are average subs. Dual subs like what you have is mouth watering I would love to have such a setup. How a dual PB-13 Plus would sound if money and shipping is not an issue?

Your setup looks amazing, the two subs are massive compared to already tall Studio 100's.

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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

I'm not sure if you're considering a PB13 Ultra or a PB12 Plus since there's no such animal as a PB13 plus....but if it's the Ultra, I can attest that the sub kicks ass with my Studio setup. Eljay's setup looks very interesting also especially considering you get 2 subs for one SVS.

I didn't think I would even consider another sub but it looks like another Ultra will be sitting beside my left speaker soon.

I am considering SVS PB-13 Plus for my setup, dual subs will never be wrong especially if you're getting the monster PB-13 Plus .. The thing with it is I have to have it specially made. Electricity will have to be 230v and then I will have to ship them with me. I will contact the SVSound see how much they can ship it directly.
I know a lot of guys who can pick the PB if one sub is enough. I might make profit too

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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

I am running the HSU VTF-15H with studio's V3's but really any of the quality ID subs would work its just a matter of budget and how much room you intend to fill at what level.

My room is about 2,500 cu.ft. filling that room will not be a problem I think, but I am looking for a quality sub. My latest sub was a JBL that I bought with my JBL 890L and that sub was below average and I didn't like it. Now, I don't want to do the same mistakes that I did before buying a sub from the same brand as the speakers thinking they would match perfectly.

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Originally Posted by Venomous View Post

I run two hsu research vtf15s and the bass is impressive, clean and fluid. All subs integrate well with any speaker honestly. You just need to decide if you prefer sealed to ported, how much punch you want. I would consider duals if your receiver can EQ them.

I have seen dual HSU 15's with Studio's in Blu-ray.com and heard a youtube video of them working with together, they look great! I don't have a set preference in terms of sealed or ported, I just want a good sub for about $2K. I will be using my Aventage 2000 for my HT.

So no one recommended the Sub 15, because no one have heard that sub or the SVS is much better choice if they were on equal value?

Thanks for the help
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post #7 of 13
2/23/12 at 3:13am
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Originally Posted by mlakaaa3 View Post

I am considering SVS PB-13 Plus for my setup, dual subs will never be wrong especially if you're getting the monster PB-13 Plus ..
So no one recommended the Sub 15, because no one have heard that sub or the SVS is much better choice if they were on equal value?

Thanks for the help

SVS does not make a PB-13 Plus. They do have a SB-13 plus; compact sealed sub. They also make a PB-12 plus and a PB-13 Ultra; large ported subs.
The Paradigm sub 15 is also a great sub. If you can get one at SVS prices I would not hesitate to buy this sub.
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post #8 of 13
2/23/12 at 4:52am
In a room the size of yours, either the SUB 15 or the PB13-Ultra would be monster performers. The HSU VTF-15H, by all accounts, would also work very well, as would the Rythmik FV15HP.

If you prefer to restrict your choices to the SUB 15 or the PB13-Ultra, IMO either one will be very satisfying. (The PB13-Ultra has multiple tuning frequencies and DSP, but Paradigm offers PBK (click here for info.) for the SUB 15.)

So...flip a coin, take one home with you and enjoy!
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post #9 of 13
2/23/12 at 7:05am
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Originally Posted by Henry Lambert View Post

SVS does not make a PB-13 Plus. They do have a SB-13 plus; compact sealed sub. They also make a PB-12 plus and a PB-13 Ultra; large ported subs.
The Paradigm sub 15 is also a great sub. If you can get one at SVS prices I would not hesitate to buy this sub.

^ This. I assume he means the PB13-Ultra, as that is more in the price range of the Sub 15. The PB12-PLUS would also rock in that sized room, as would the Paradigm Sub 15 I recon.
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post #10 of 13
2/23/12 at 10:12am
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Originally Posted by mlakaaa3 View Post

I would love to have the variety to choose from just like you guys have in the US, but all we have locally is Velodyne, Polk Audio, and Yamaha. All except to Velodyne DD are average subs. Dual subs like what you have is mouth watering I would love to have such a setup. How a dual PB-13 Plus would sound if money and shipping is not an issue?

Your setup looks amazing, the two subs are massive compared to already tall Studio 100's.

I am considering SVS PB-13 Plus for my setup, dual subs will never be wrong especially if you're getting the monster PB-13 Plus .. The thing with it is I have to have it specially made. Electricity will have to be 230v and then I will have to ship them with me. I will contact the SVSound see how much they can ship it directly.
I know a lot of guys who can pick the PB if one sub is enough. I might make profit too

My room is about 2,500 cu.ft. filling that room will not be a problem I think, but I am looking for a quality sub. My latest sub was a JBL that I bought with my JBL 890L and that sub was below average and I didn't like it. Now, I don't want to do the same mistakes that I did before buying a sub from the same brand as the speakers thinking they would match perfectly.



I have seen dual HSU 15's with Studio's in Blu-ray.com and heard a youtube video of them working with together, they look great! I don't have a set preference in terms of sealed or ported, I just want a good sub for about $2K. I will be using my Aventage 2000 for my HT.

So no one recommended the Sub 15, because no one have heard that sub or the SVS is much better choice if they were on equal value?

Thanks for the help

I am a big fan of Paradigm and still feel they offer great products its just that when it comes to subs I feel the ID co's offer a matched or better than performance for the money.
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post #11 of 13
2/23/12 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by Yosh70 View Post

I'm not sure if you're considering a PB13 Ultra or a PB12 Plus since there's no such animal as a PB13 plus....but if it's the Ultra, I can attest that the sub kicks ass with my Studio setup. Eljay's setup looks very interesting also especially considering you get 2 subs for one SVS.

I didn't think I would even consider another sub but it looks like another Ultra will be sitting beside my left speaker soon.

Instead getting another Ultra, you should try the Geddes approach, if you haven't already, using three subs, one big LF sub (which you have) and some smaller subs to handle the midbass.
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post #12 of 13
2/23/12 at 3:12pm
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Originally Posted by Henry Lambert View Post

SVS does not make a PB-13 Plus. They do have a SB-13 plus; compact sealed sub. They also make a PB-12 plus and a PB-13 Ultra; large ported subs.
The Paradigm sub 15 is also a great sub. If you can get one at SVS prices I would not hesitate to buy this sub.

Yes I am soory, I meant the PB-13 Ultra. I actually got the Sub 15 for less than the PB-13 Ultra (Considering that the shipping will not be an issue money wise) The thing is that I would like to have a sub from a sub specialized company. Its just I feel they offer better performance since the company assumably would be more focused on their sub performance.

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Originally Posted by eljaycanuck View Post

In a room the size of yours, either the SUB 15 or the PB13-Ultra would be monster performers. The HSU VTF-15H, by all accounts, would also work very well, as would the Rythmik FV15HP.

If you prefer to restrict your choices to the SUB 15 or the PB13-Ultra, IMO either one will be very satisfying. (The PB13-Ultra has multiple tuning frequencies and DSP, but Paradigm offers PBK (click here for info.) for the SUB 15.)

So...flip a coin, take one home with you and enjoy!

I am not restricting my choices I just didn't read any reviews for the subs you mentioned. I heard a lot of good things about SVS and Sub 15 if offered locally. I will call the sales lady tomorrow see if she could sweetened the offer by throwing a PBK in the package. If she agreed to do so that would be very tempting

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Originally Posted by Nuance View Post

^ This. I assume he means the PB13-Ultra, as that is more in the price range of the Sub 15. The PB12-PLUS would also rock in that sized room, as would the Paradigm Sub 15 I recon.

Yes I meant the PB-13 Ultra, I keep calling it plus but what I was referring to is the Ultra ported sub.

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Originally Posted by oztech View Post

I am a big fan of Paradigm and still feel they offer great products its just that when it comes to subs I feel the ID co's offer a matched or better than performance for the money.

Exactly how I feel. I bought a Anthem MCA-30 to push the front and center although I wanted an Emotiva. I don't think that the Anthem is not good enough, but I don't want my theater to be a Paradigm/Anthem showroom!

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Originally Posted by Auditor55 View Post

Instead getting another Ultra, you should try the Geddes approach, if you haven't already, using three subs, one big LF sub (which you have) and some smaller subs to handle the midbass.

In my current room I already wired a LFE cable from the equipment room to the seating area in case I needed to install a back sub of buttkickers, a big sub with two small ones will fill my room with bass and I don't think that will sound nice.

I contacted a friend of mine who works in used cars exporting. I asked him for the best shipping company if I bought a SVS PB-13 "Ultra" and he offered to ship it to me for free in one of his containers. He will let me know by tomorrow if there any regulation or any thing that will hurdle shipping a subwoofer in cars container. I am not very comfortable shipping a $2k sub to a warehouse in NJ. I will contact the Paradigm sales lady see if she can offer the PBK with the package too.

Thanks for the help guys.
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post #13 of 13
1/19/13 at 3:19am
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Just an update, I ended up getting a dual PB-13 Ultra .. I haven't set the subs up but will post some pictures when I do.

Thanks,
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