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post #1 of 83
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I got my LG 42LK450 CCFL-LCD TV professionally calibrated about two weeks ago. I've attached the calibration report for the ISF Day and Night modes below and have some questions and concerns regarding the calibration in general.

1. Despite bringing a Photo Research PR-650 Spectrometer with him, he only used a Klein K-10 Colorimeter to do the calibration. When I asked why he did not profile the K-10 off the PR-650 on my display before starting the calibration, he told me the difference would be slight at best and that CCFL lighting is similar enough that profiling is unnecessary. Naturally, I wasn't happy about this since I've read time and time again from experts on this forum that profiling a colorimeter with a spectrometer must be done on the actual display at the time of the actual calibration session AND that the profiling must be verified at the end of the calibration by taking post-calibration readings directly with the spectrometer. I did express my concern about this to my calibrator at the time of the actual calibration and later on this week after I received my calibration report and settings. He did not feel his approach was less than ideal nor did he like my mentioning the matter at all, since apparently I was questioning his methods.

2. A total video system calibration was not performed in the sense that he used a Sencore VideoPro 403 pattern generator to do the entire calibration. I paid for a single input calibration of my PS3, which was being used as a BD player. He did not bring any DVD or BD discs to calibrate the PS3 and his reference material was on a portable media device that had some movies and test patterns ripped to a hard drive. So, he did not actually check anything with my PS3 until I mentioned I had a copy of the AVSHD709 Disc, which he then reluctantly used on my PS3 to make sure it was passing video levels and not PC levels. According to him, the only check needed with the PS3 or any other HDMI source device is checking that video levels are used instead of PC levels. Component vs. RGB (HDMI Colorspace) doesn't matter nor do any other settings on the PS3. In a nutshell, one HDMI input on my TV was calibrated to agree with his pattern generator and nothing was done to verify the calibration on the PS3 aside from checking it was outputting video levels only after I mentioned it several times.

3. The backlight setting on this TV does introduce some color shifts in grayscale and gamut if it is changed after setting grayscale and gamut. All grayscale and gamut calibrations (for both modes) were done with backlight at 100% (maxed out) and then backlight was adjusted before the post-calibration readings were taken. This meant the dE's went up for grayscale and gamut the moment the backlight was dialed down, especially for Night mode as it used a very low backlight setting of 22% (Day mode used 52%).

4. This part corresponds to the calibration report and other attachments. Peak white was supposed be 30 fL for Night mode and 60 fL for Day mode, as those were the figures we agreed upon at the time of the calibration. Last week I decided to see how close my C6 colorimeter matched the K-10 and while I know the C6 can't be trusted for color readings, the luminance values should be consistent with the K-10 for bright test patterns. The calibration report shows about 25 fL peak white for Night mode instead of the 30 it was supposed to be and 60 fL peak white for Day mode, which is as expected. My C6 measured the same 60 fL for Day mode, which is expected as well as pretty flat gamma (+/- .05). However, for Night mode it measured around 20 fL and showed a pretty high spike in gamma around 90% gray or so (see the ISF Night Grayscale screen capture). Since my C6 measured Day mode spot on, the issues it picked up in Night mode were surprising until I received the calibration report today and noticed it shows a similar trend in gamma and peak white, though it is somewhat less drastic on the calibration report with the K-10 being used. His response to what my C6 showed was that it is simply wrong because my meter costs $700 and his K-10 is $7000. Also, he says the setting he left it on (22% backlight and 25 fL peak white according to K-10) was too low to him and he wanted to raise it, even though I clearly said I wanted it at 30 fL and he agreed it was good for a dark room.

5. I noticed several typos/errors in the recorded settings (by comparing those values to the ones on my actual TV), which was a bit unsettling for a professional job. Even while he was recording the settings down during the calibration I saw that he accidentally changed some values in the TV while scrolling through the menus.

6. He was not one of the calibrators who actually educate as mentioned here. While he did answer the questions I asked him, he didn't explain anything he was doing on his own or tell me what he was doing from step to step unless I kept on asking question after question. He also didn't not reply to most of my e-mails both before and after the service and when he came to my home was only planning to do one mode on one input when I had clearly specified in two e-mails the previous day that I wanted both day and night modes for one input. In the end, he did do both modes (second mode was Night) for the same $375 base fee, but as you can see with the attachments it was not dialed in nearly as close as Day mode since he basically rushed it.

Overall, the point of my post is to see what experts on the forum and other customers who have had their display(s) professional calibrated think of this calibration and whether my concerns are valid or not. I have already contacted him about my various concerns and they were all dismissed and he has no intention of coming back to make any tweaks to the Night mode.

 

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post #2 of 83
Hi PlasmaPZ80U,

For #6, did you discuss this with the Calibrator before the appointment? I have to admit, I know you have your own gear and I would think that you would have requested the 'education' part in advance (or a Calibrator who does this).. for any Enthusiast, this is a great experience/opportunity when using a Calibrator who also incorporates education.

In regards to #1, did you ask in advance what equipment the Calibrator uses and if so, did you ask if the PR would be used to Profile the K-10 on your actual Display. I personally would have taken advantage of the PR there (if the PR is within it's re-certification or close).. Also, some Calibrators would allow you to Profile your C6 with the reference meter (with your software, assuming you have to right Licenses)......

I do also agree that some reference material should have been played with the PS3.... just IMO
post #3 of 83
Please explain to us, why someone who has purchased a C6/Calman package and spent many hours learning how to calibrate a display would pay someone to redo what they have already done?
I believe it is because you read that the tables in the C6 can be off for certain light sources if not profiled.
Rather than buy a Munki to profile your meter and satisfy your fears, you hired someone (not of this board) and expected them to do the job the way you would do it yourself, is this about correct?

This is why so many people that can do things themselves, do them, because it is hard to find someone willing to work the way we want them to work.
I am sorry it didn't work out for you, but I have been waiting for this post, I knew it would come sooner or later. What I expected to hear was, "After the pro calibrated my set, it looked the same as when I did it myself"!
And that is probably true.

I know you asked for the pros help, and I am no more experience than you are, but if I were them, I would have to ask, why didn't you hire someone from the board you trusted??

You might as well buy the spectro, you will want the display tweaked again in 6 months or a year, and you probably won't want this guy to come back. Calk it up as a learning experiences. If you have the ability to do something with the proper tools, buy them and do it, you will be happier than if you pay someone else to do what you already can do!
post #4 of 83
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Please explain to us, why someone who has purchased a C6/Calman package and spent many hours learning how to calibrate a display would pay someone to redo what they have already done?


for any Enthusiast, this is a great experience/opportunity when using a Calibrator who also incorporates education.

In his (OP) case, I would have expected him to to go with the education aspect... it shouldn't be to difficult to ask these questions in advance to the Calibrator (and of course get a reply) and/or research Calibrators here... if there are communication concerns, perhaps that's a red flag right there...
post #5 of 83
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I did find the calibrator on two websites that list a bunch of calibrators by location (not referring to the ISF and THX sites). He didn't reply to any of my e-mails before or after the service until today and I guess the main reason I went with him was because he was local and could do the job sooner rather than later. This experience has me wondering if I should have been more patient and picked one of the touring calibrators on this site that have 100's of great reviews and respond to any questions by e-mail promptly and in detail.
post #6 of 83
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Please explain to us, why someone who has purchased a C6/Calman package and spent many hours learning how to calibrate a display would pay someone to redo what they have already done?
I believe it is because you read that the tables in the C6 can be off for certain light sources if not profiled.
Rather than buy a Munki to profile your meter and satisfy your fears, you hired someone (not of this board) and expected them to do the job the way you would do it yourself, is this about correct?

This is why so many people that can do things themselves, do them, because it is hard to find someone willing to work the way we want them to work.
I am sorry it didn't work out for you, but I have been waiting for this post, I knew it would come sooner or later. What I expected to hear was, "After the pro calibrated my set, it looked the same as when I did it myself"!
And that is probably true.

I know you asked for the pros help, and I am no more experience than you are, but if I were them, I would have to ask, why didn't you hire someone from the board you trusted??

You might as well buy the spectro, you will want the display tweaked again in 6 months or a year, and you probably won't want this guy to come back. Calk it up as a learning experiences. If you have the ability to do something with the proper tools, buy them and do it, you will be happier than if you pay someone else to do what you already can do!

Yeah, I see your point. I could still sell my C6 and use that cash to get a used spectrometer (like the EFI ES-1000) and buy a cheap colorimeter to profile for speed and low light sensitivity. However, my goal with the pro calibration was to get it set right once and for all and not worry about it while learning more about calibration (first-hand) in the process. It's not like I cheaped out either, paying $375 for one input.

Subjectively, the post-cal image still looks pretty good. Day mode is dialed in quite well to the K-10 (assuming whatever profile he loaded up for it from his laptop worked correctly with my TV), but Night mode could certainly benefit from some tweaking. It doesn't look the same as what I achieved with the C6 myself but since no spectrometer was used on my actual TV, it doesn't solve that problem of uncertainty.
post #7 of 83
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He didn't reply to any of my e-mails before

hmmmm..


I'd discuss this again with the Calibrator and if you flat out have concerns (Night?), I'd try again to get the Calibrator to return, being local this should be possible... I'll be honest, this is what separates a very good Calibrator from a great Calibrator IMO....

I can assure you, many Calibrators and even touring Calibrators will come back even when they have to fly... pretty much all Calibrators (even the "Big Guns" in the industry) will have customers that have serious concerns and/or issues at one point or more... many go to great lengths to address those concerns (and fix them if necessary) - regardless if there is 2 miles or 2000 to travel.
post #8 of 83
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

Naturally, I wasn't happy about this since I've read time and time again from experts on this forum that profiling a colorimeter with a spectrometer must be done on the actual display at the time of the actual calibration session AND that the profiling must be verified at the end of the calibration by taking post-calibration readings directly with the spectrometer.

This is not necesary with your display.

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2. A total video system calibration was not performed in the sense that he used a Sencore VideoPro 403 pattern generator to do the entire calibration. I paid for a single input calibration of my PS3, which was being used as a BD player. He did not bring any DVD or BD discs to calibrate the PS3 and his reference material was on a portable media device that had some movies and test patterns ripped to a hard drive. So, he did not actually check anything with my PS3 until I mentioned I had a copy of the AVSHD709 Disc, which he then reluctantly used on my PS3 to make sure it was passing video levels and not PC levels. According to him, the only check needed with the PS3 or any other HDMI source device is checking that video levels are used instead of PC levels. Component vs. RGB (HDMI Colorspace) doesn't matter nor do any other settings on the PS3. In a nutshell, one HDMI input on my TV was calibrated to agree with his pattern generator and nothing was done to verify the calibration on the PS3 aside from checking it was outputting video levels only after I mentioned it several times.

Unless your PS3 was defective, there will not be any difference between measurements from the 403 and the AVS709 disc. Figuring out if your PS3 is defective can be eyballed with the 709 patterns after the PS3 settings are properly configured.

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3. The backlight setting on this TV does introduce some color shifts in grayscale and gamut if it is changed after setting grayscale and gamut. All grayscale and gamut calibrations (for both modes) were done with backlight at 100% (maxed out) and then backlight was adjusted before the post-calibration readings were taken. This meant the dE's went up for grayscale and gamut the moment the backlight was dialed down, especially for Night mode as it used a very low backlight setting of 22% (Day mode used 52%).

So, your precalibration measurements were taken via settings you were not using prior to the calibration??? Interesting and definitely not beneficial to you.

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6. He was not one of the calibrators who actually educate as mentioned here. While he did answer the questions I asked him, he didn't explain anything he was doing on his own or tell me what he was doing from step to step unless I kept on asking question after question.

Question.... since you have purchased your own calibration equipment and software, have participated in many calibration threads on this and other forums, have done many hours of calibration research on your own and probably have toyed with calibrating your display more than your calibrator, what exactly were you expecting to learn from him?

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Overall, the point of my post is to see what experts on the forum and other customers who have had their display(s) professional calibrated think of this calibration and whether my concerns are valid or not. I have already contacted him about my various concerns and they were all dismissed and he has no intention of coming back to make any tweaks to the Night mode.

Are the charts you posted truly post calibration? If so, your display could be better. How does it look compared to the calibration you did?
post #9 of 83
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

This is not necessary with your display.

Is this due to the CCFL light source like he mentioned? Would it be necessary with a LED light source?

Unless your PS3 was defective, there will not be any difference between measurements from the 403 and the AVS709 disc. Figuring out if your PS3 is defective can be eyballed with the 709 patterns after the PS3 settings are properly configured.

Ok

So, your precalibration measurements were taken via settings you were not using prior to the calibration??? Interesting and definitely not beneficial to you.

The backlight was set at 100/100 during the grayscale/gamma/color gamut calibration and then lowered to final values for Day (52/100) and Night (22/100). Pre-Calibration I was using Cinema mode with 'low' gamma being the only change I made from defaults.


Question.... since you have purchased your own calibration equipment and software, have participated in many calibration threads on this and other forums, have done many hours of calibration research on your own and probably have toyed with calibrating your display more than your calibrator, what exactly were you expecting to learn from him?

I was hoping to learn beyond what I currently know and perhaps see if I was doing something wrong without realizing it. Just make sure I'm doing things right with DIY calibration and maybe learn some new things.

Are the charts you posted truly post calibration? If so, your display could be better. How does it look compared to the calibration you did?

Yes, they are directly from the report I got today. I just removed the other pages of the report that had his information and my information on it. I can try uploading the pages that show close ups of each parameter.

My DIY calibration with the C6 had a more red/yellow/orange tint to the overal image, especially on skintones. It looks quite a bit cooler in color temp now.



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post #10 of 83
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My DIY calibration with the C6 had a more red/yellow/orange tint to the overal image, especially skintones. It looks quite a bit cooler in color temp now.

I am curious, I know you had made changes to the CMS on your set, did he reset to all 0 and then adjust it, or just leave it as it was and do Gray scale?
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post #12 of 83
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I am curious, I know you had made changes to the CMS on your set, did he reset to all 0 and then adjust it, or just leave it as it was and do Gray scale?
I reset the ISF modes before he came. The pre-cal snapshot is for Cinema mode (with 'low' gamma being the only change I made from defaults).

 

Part 6.pdf 174.0576171875k . file

 

Part 7.pdf 129.1162109375k . file
post #13 of 83
You're reply is extremely hard to respond to due to the color and why you responded to my post so please excuse how this post is formatted:

"Is this due to the CCFL light source like he mentioned? Would it be necessary with a LED light source?" Yes and no. There is not a lot of variation between CCFL backlights to warrant a K-10 to be profiled on site to your display. LED light sources is a different matter. There are differences between manufacturers but calibration tables can be created and stored in the K-10 prior to a calibration if the calibrator has access to different LED dispays (like what Tom does with Chromapure).

"The backlight was set at 100/100 during the grayscale/gamma/color gamut calibration and then lowered to final values for Day (52/100) and Night (22/100). Pre-Calibration I was using Cinema mode with 'low' gamma being the only change I made from defaults." Your calibrator should have measured the video mode and settings you were using prior to the calibration. What he chose to do is absolutely worthless when attempting to compare pre and post.

"I was hoping to learn beyond what I currently know and perhaps see if I was doing something wrong without realizing it. Just make sure I'm doing things right with DIY calibration and maybe learn some new things." Cool. I consider you to be a step above the regular DIY


"My DIY calibration with the C6 had a more red/yellow/orange tint to the overal image, especially on skintones. It looks quite a bit cooler in color temp now." Your grayscale is bluer than it should be. I can see how it would look cooler.


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post #14 of 83
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"The backlight was set at 100/100 during the grayscale/gamma/color gamut calibration and then lowered to final values for Day (52/100) and Night (22/100). Pre-Calibration I was using Cinema mode with 'low' gamma being the only change I made from defaults." Your calibrator should have measured the video mode and settings you were using prior to the calibration. What he chose to do is absolutely worthless when attempting to compare pre and post.

"My DIY calibration with the C6 had a more red/yellow/orange tint to the overal image, especially on skintones. It looks quite a bit cooler in color temp now." Your grayscale is bluer than it should be. I can see how it would look cooler.

Do you mean he should have taken pre-cal readings from the ISF mode defaults? The settings I was using prior to calibration was Cinema mode with the only change from defaults being made to gamma from medium to low. (I had long since reset my settings for the ISF modes arrived at with the C6 so those modes were all at defaults.)

Yes, the grayscale for both modes post-cal (Night and Day) had excess blue in the report and he said it was as close as he could get it with one click less being blue deficient, which would be subjectively worse. I'm not entirely sure about this though, since the 10-pt grayscale controls on the LG are pretty fine, except near black where it gets a bit coarse.
post #15 of 83
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Do you mean he should have taken pre-cal readings from the ISF mode defaults? The settings I was using prior to calibration was Cinema mode with the only change from defaults being made to gamma from medium to low. (I had long since reset my settings for the ISF modes arrived at with the C6 so those modes were all at defaults.)

Your pre cal report should have been Cinema not one of the ISF modes.

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Yes, the grayscale for both modes post-cal (Night and Day) had excess blue in the report and he said it was as close as he could get it with one click less being blue deficient, which would be subjectively worse. I'm not entirely sure about this though, since the 10-pt grayscale controls on the LG are pretty fine, except near black where it gets a bit coarse.

Your calibrator is wrong. Your grayscale could be much tighter.
post #16 of 83
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Your pre cal report should have been Cinema not one of the ISF modes.

Your calibrator is wrong. Your grayscale could be much tighter.

I guess I didn't explain it correctly. The pre-cal report is Cinema, it just isn't written on the report.

For the grayscale, is that the case with both modes or just Night?
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For the grayscale, is that the case with both modes or just Night?

Both
post #18 of 83
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Originally Posted by D-Nice View Post

Both

thanks for the input, the grayscale was one of my main concerns color accuracy wise
post #19 of 83
I don't have much to contribute to this thread but I applaud the enthusiasm the poster has exhibited. There's plenty of learning going on so I would say its time and money well spent.

I think the reports look "ok" but certainly not as good as other calibrations I've seen. I think I could be happy with it. But, it's likely possible to improve it.
post #20 of 83
Did he use the 10point? I mean it defaults to 2 and if you don't know you can change it (as you know) you wouldn't even know it was there...
post #21 of 83
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Did he use the 10point? I mean it defaults to 2 and if you don't know you can change it (as you know) you wouldn't even know it was there...

yes 10-pt only, he left the 2-pt at defaults
post #22 of 83
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I decided to copy the ISF Day post-cal settings to ISF Expert 1 on a another HDMI input of the TV and then use 2-pt grayscale to bring blue down to 100% across the entire range (10% to 100%). I am also lowering backlight to make it a Night mode and may make small tweaks to 10-pt grayscale/gamma and CMS if needed. I'd like to see how much closer I can get it myself since apparently the issues with the C6 are with LED-LCD's and not CCFL-LCD's. I will post my results here when I finish.
post #23 of 83
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Originally Posted by PlasmaPZ80U View Post

This experience has me wondering if I should have been more patient and picked one of the touring calibrators on this site that have 100's of great reviews and respond to any questions by e-mail promptly and in detail.

I made the same mistake before, as well. I had a local guy out for a CRT RPTV calibration years back. I ended up learning about all sorts of errors and mistakes he made once I had one of the better traveling calibrators from the forum come out - not to mention the set looked way better, as a result. You live and learn. I always try and steer people away from most local guys as well as Best Buy calibrators when they are considering a calibration.
post #24 of 83
I know nothing about how well the LG 42LK450 CCFL-LCD TV calibrates, so are we even sure the calibrator wasn't making proper needed concessions?
Something else that comes to mind, if the picture appears to have a cool look to it, could it be saturation errors from 25% to 100%?

I think gamut accuracy, luminance, and gamma are more important than tiny gray scale deviations (of course gray scale is important, but I'm saying once you get it to a certain degree), at least to my eyes, but some people may prefer differently. There is just so much variation in color depending on the movie that such tiny gray-scale variations aren't really my main concern (again this is a personal thing). Sometimes a bit of extra blue in the gray scale actually looks better in some content, even though I know it is not proper.
post #25 of 83
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I know nothing about how well the LG 42LK450 CCFL-LCD TV calibrates, so are we even sure the calibrator wasn't making proper needed concessions?
Something else that comes to mind, if the picture appears to have a cool look to it, could it be saturation errors from 25% to 100%?

I think gamut accuracy, luminance, and gamma are more important than tiny gray scale deviations (of course gray scale is important, but I'm saying once you get it to a certain degree), at least to my eyes, but some people may prefer differently. There is just so much variation in color depending on the movie that such tiny gray-scale variations aren't really my main concern (again this is a personal thing). Sometimes a bit of extra blue in the gray scale actually looks better in some content, even though I know it is not proper.
Well, I just copied the ISF Day settings to another HDMI input and repurposed it as a Night mode and was able to dial in grayscale and gamut a lot better. I think the following screen caps speak for themselves.

 

QuickView Grayscale.pdf 29.3037109375k . file

 

ISF Day.doc 23.5k . file

 

C6 2.2.pdf 95.296875k . file

 

QuickView Gamut.pdf 160.3134765625k . file
post #26 of 83
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I know nothing about how well the LG 42LK450 CCFL-LCD TV calibrates, so are we even sure the calibrator wasn't making proper needed concessions?
Something else that comes to mind, if the picture appears to have a cool look to it, could it be saturation errors from 25% to 100%?

I think gamut accuracy, luminance, and gamma are more important than tiny gray scale deviations (of course gray scale is important, but I'm saying once you get it to a certain degree), at least to my eyes, but some people may prefer differently. There is just so much variation in color depending on the movie that such tiny gray-scale variations aren't really my main concern (again this is a personal thing). Sometimes a bit of extra blue in the gray scale actually looks better in some content, even though I know it is not proper.

If your grayscale isn't correct, color will never be correct.
post #27 of 83
Looks better than it did. Too bad you had to pay someone $375 before doing this calibration.
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Well, I just copied the ISF Day settings to another HDMI input and repurposed it as a Night mode and was able to dial in grayscale and gamut a lot better. I think the following screen caps speak for themselves.
post #28 of 83
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Originally Posted by coderguy View Post

Something else that comes to mind, if the picture appears to have a cool look to it, could it be saturation errors from 25% to 100%?

I think gamut accuracy, luminance, and gamma are more important than tiny gray scale deviations (of course gray scale is important, but I'm saying once you get it to a certain degree), at least to my eyes, but some people may prefer differently. There is just so much variation in color depending on the movie that such tiny gray-scale variations aren't really my main concern (again this is a personal thing). Sometimes a bit of extra blue in the gray scale actually looks better in some content, even though I know it is not proper.

Well, an accurate grayscale is the foundation for color accuracy while gamut is basically icing on the cake. Grayscale affects all colors while gamut does not. The cool look IMO is due to excess blue across the entire grayscale, which basically places a blue tint over all content including grays and whites. It's not a massive color error, but still far more than it needs to be for a pro calibration on a set capable of perfect color (thanks to its S-IPS panel and excellent picture controls).
post #29 of 83
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Looks better than it did. Too bad you had to pay someone $375 before doing this calibration.

Yeah, my main concern at the time was the C6's accuracy but the bottom line is I was still able to get a better result myself since I got it as close as possible.

What bothers is that my calibrator told me he could not get the display any closer than he did for ISF Night without sacrificing dynamic range but if you look at my C6 settings vs. the ISF Day settings, the dynamic range is still the same. He also said my TV has limitations because of its low price but from a calibration standpoint, it's obviously quite good in this regard. It seems I got more excuses from him than results and if he had shown me the Night report right after he finished it, I would have asked him to reset my TV and simply give me a refund. Of course, I didn't get that report until yesterday.
post #30 of 83
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If the saturation tracking of the gamut is far enough off, then colors will never be correct regardless of gray-scale, so I don't know what you mean. Different saturation tracking points being off can have a massive affect on colors, more than some tiny bit of blue being added to the gray scale, I can and have seen it with certain devices...

I am talking about what looks best to my eye, I know if grayscale is off the color is off, but I'm saying most devices don't track perfectly for saturation anyhow, so you an still see error regardless of gray scale. Just because a chart looks right doesn't mean it is a good calibration, I can make a chart look perfect and still have a bunk calibration.

I can't really measure or calibrate that with CalMAN. What software do you use?
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