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post #121 of 381
Agree on what ur saying the hmz-1 is lacking in the wow department
post #122 of 381
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Originally Posted by space123321 View Post

Now the initial reviews on the ST1080 are stating that the poput on the unit is good! I am now holding make my urges to order until additional reviews come in.

Technically, any 3D display device can only display the the left and right views that are encoded on the disc and those are fixed views so how would the 3D look any different on an HMD versus a large-screen display when each eye is receiving the exact same input in both cases ?

Only thing that comes to mind is maybe the eye sees a real 100" screen from 10' away as being larger than the 100"-from-10' screen simulated by the HMD so the depth looks greater on the physically larger display.

Hopefully not, as this would spell 3D doom for all HMDs in general
post #123 of 381
I don't know what could cause it either but I definitely don't get the sense of popout on my HMZ that I get from my 3dtv. The 3d on the HMZ is colorful and bright with a nice sense of depth but the popout is not there. I am hopeful that the reports of actual popout on the ST1080 are true. Can't wait for more user reports to get out there
post #124 of 381
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post

I don't know what could cause it either but I definitely don't get the sense of popout on my HMZ that I get from my 3dtv. The 3d on the HMZ is colorful and bright with a nice sense of depth but the popout is not there. I am hopeful that the reports of actual popout on the ST1080 are true. Can't wait for more user reports to get out there

Actually all of the popout data is visually displayed on the HMZ. The eyes just have no reference to be able to differentiate the negative planes that tell the brain the planes are moving outside the screen. The eyes see all the visual depth of the negative planes, but without the emotional thrill of perceived theatrical popout via the point-of-screen reference. IMO, it actually comes closer to mimicking real-world (natural) visual experiences and a desired effect for realistic & scientific purposes and can be preferred when watching discrete-3D movies for some people like me. It will be interesting to test the ST1080s 3D visual plane reference abilities.
post #125 of 381
Mine was shipped on Friday, I got a tracking number. A bit upset however, it's shipping from Korea.. That's right next door to Japan, I asked can they just ship here to Japan and never got an answer.. TWICE
So now the dang things on it's way to the USA, where it will then turn around and come back to Asia.. Pointless...
post #126 of 381
I've been quite happy with the sound of things from the few reviews out there right now, and I'll pull the trigger as soon as I hear that they've resolved these two things to everybody's satisfaction:

1. 720p scaling
2. Nvidia 3D Vision support
post #127 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Mine was shipped on Friday, I got a tracking number. A bit upset however, it's shipping from Korea.. That's right next door to Japan, I asked can they just ship here to Japan and never got an answer.. TWICE
So now the dang things on it's way to the USA, where it will then turn around and come back to Asia.. Pointless...

Congrats! Music to my ears that they were shipped! Maybe they knew it would take longer to eventually get to you (after reading your two emails) and shipped it early so you get it around the same time as, hopefully, other March first preorders.
post #128 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Mine was shipped on Friday, I got a tracking number. A bit upset however, it's shipping from Korea.. That's right next door to Japan, I asked can they just ship here to Japan and never got an answer.. TWICE
So now the dang things on it's way to the USA, where it will then turn around and come back to Asia.. Pointless...

Did you chose for priority shipping? ;-)
post #129 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Mine was shipped on Friday, I got a tracking number. A bit upset however, it's shipping from Korea.. That's right next door to Japan, I asked can they just ship here to Japan and never got an answer.. TWICE
So now the dang things on it's way to the USA, where it will then turn around and come back to Asia.. Pointless...

Well, one thing that will make this even more funny, is when they realize what you said, and will ship it back to Korea so that it can be reshipped properly straight to Japan.

What dumbasses...
post #130 of 381
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post

I don't know what could cause it either but I definitely don't get the sense of popout on my HMZ that I get from my 3dtv. The 3d on the HMZ is colorful and bright with a nice sense of depth but the popout is not there. I am hopeful that the reports of actual popout on the ST1080 are true. Can't wait for more user reports to get out there

If you have a ps3, try playing Child of Eden.. It definitely has the pop out effect.

I have a 3D jvc lcos projector, 3D samsung plasma tv, and the sony hmz. The hmz has the best overall 3D of them all. I'd really like to see material that "pops out" where it works better on a TV than it does on the hmz. Can you name some material where there's an obvious difference...?
post #131 of 381
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Originally Posted by stumlad View Post

If you have a ps3, try playing Child of Eden.. It definitely has the pop out effect.

I have a 3D jvc lcos projector, 3D samsung plasma tv, and the sony hmz. The hmz has the best overall 3D of them all. I'd really like to see material that "pops out" where it works better on a TV than it does on the hmz. Can you name some material where there's an obvious difference...?

I think the idea is that you don't have to be looking so hard (for specific games/movies) to get pop out effect. You should play any 3D movie and have it there in your face in all its "poppiness". It should be good in pretty much all 3D material as standard, and great in others. Judging from reviews of HTZ its popout effects ranges from weak (standard) to good (where it should be great).

I don't own neither, but that's the impression I got from reading this forum.
post #132 of 381
I should have been clearer that I was referring to movies when talking about popout on my HMZ. I do most of my gaming with PC and can get good popout on my games by adjusting the settings. It is in my 3d blu-ray movies that I don't get the same level of popout effect on the HMZ that I do on my 3dtv. Having said that I still like the overall feel of the movies on the HMZ better because of the higher brightness, better colors and ease on the eyes. I would just like to also have the stronger popout effect.

Oh the most recent movie example I had was when watching the 3d previews on the Rio blu-ray (I think it was Rio at least). I had watched the movie on the 3dtv and there was a 3d preview for another Madagascar movie and the 3d pop-out was very evident. I thought to myself at the time that I really want to check that out on the HMZ and when I did it just didn't have the same level impact.
post #133 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Actually all of the popout data is visually displayed on the HMZ. The eyes just have no reference to be able to differentiate the negative planes that tell the brain the planes are moving outside the screen.

I believe you have hit the nail on the head as that explanation makes a lot more sense.

In regards to the general bitching when it comes to lack of popout in 3D films, I would suggest a test using a specific scene from a specific movie know to have popout so you can easily tell the difference.

The potato cod scene from the IMAX docu Under The Sea is probably the best one.

The fish got REALLY close to the camera and it was filmed in 3D so people have reported the fish literally sticking 10ft+ out of their screens.
post #134 of 381
I really want to order this or the HMZ, my biggest concern is that this is a startup company, I have to order it from overseas, no real reviews especially from an AVS member and I cannot seem to find warranty and return policy information. At least with the HMZ I know it's from Sony and I can return it here in the states if it doesn't work for me.

Not sure if I should just take a chance on the HMZ first and hope its comfortable enough to keep.
post #135 of 381
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

I cannot seem to find warranty and return policy information.

Read the links at the bottom of the instructions on the left side on this page.

There is a huge thread on the HMZ-T1 so if after looking through that, you still want to go with the ST1080, you dont have much of a choice as those seem to be the only two major choices right now in terms of HMDs.

The control box on the ST01800 is also firmware upgradeable so any major bugs CAN be addressed in the future if that is a deciding factor.

I, too, am waiting for reviews but barring any really major flaws that I haven't seen yet, I WILL get it.
Also, in my case, the only other 3D option for me is a projector, namely the Optoma HD33 or HD3300 but that involves a somewhat complicated re-jig of my current projector setup which is a moot point with the ST1080.
post #136 of 381
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Originally Posted by nikonf5 View Post


Read the links at the bottom of the instructions on the left side on this page.

There is a huge thread on the HMZ-T1 so if after looking through that, you still want to go with the ST1080, you dont have much of a choice as those seem to be the only two major choices right now in terms of HMDs.

The control box on the ST01800 is also firmware upgradeable so any major bugs CAN be addressed in the future if that is a deciding factor.

I, too, am waiting for reviews but barring any really major flaws that I haven't seen yet, I WILL get it.
Also, in my case, the only other 3D option for me is a projector, namely the Optoma HD33 or HD3300 but that involves a somewhat complicated re-jig of my current projector setup which is a moot point with the ST1080.

I have decided to wait until a number of reviews come in before making a decision. I would rather wait and get the right unit.
post #137 of 381
I was excited about this (and the Sony) for quite a long time. However, I went to see the Avengers at a theater that had active 3D glasses and the weight of them made my nose hurt after awhile. I much prefer passive glasses because you basically forget you are wearing them and don't feel them. In the case of the ST1080, I would imagine the same problem would happen. I think the best solution would be a light weight hat version that doesn't touch your nose or forehead at all or at least very little.
post #138 of 381
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Originally Posted by thorr View Post

I was excited about this (and the Sony) for quite a long time. However, I went to see the Avengers at a theater that had active 3D glasses and the weight of them made my nose hurt after awhile. I much prefer passive glasses because you basically forget you are wearing them and don't feel them. In the case of the ST1080, I would imagine the same problem would happen. I think the best solution would be a light weight hat version that doesn't touch your nose or forehead at all or at least very little.

None of the reviewers had a slightest complaint about comfort of ST1080.
post #139 of 381
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Originally Posted by Nuieve View Post


None of the reviewers had a slightest complaint about comfort of ST1080.

None of the 2 reviewers? Wow!
post #140 of 381
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

None of the 2 reviewers? Wow!

Well, none of HMZ reviewers did NOT complain about comfort.
post #141 of 381
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Originally Posted by Nuieve View Post

Well, none of HMZ reviewers did NOT complain about comfort.

LOL good point. Even the very first impressions of the HMZ mentioned right away that the unit became uncomfortable to wear fairly quickly.

I am anxious to read more impressions on this issue also but I exchanged a few questions with the reviewer Jeffrey and he sounds like a level-headed individual and I suspect that if the ST1080 was uncomforatable that he would have mentioned it. Especially since he talked about using it for several hours. Maybe it is the rear head strap that comes with the unit that helps it cantilever over the nose somewhat so that there is no pressure there. Since the unit is so light I can see how that would be possible.
post #142 of 381
I have modded my HMZ so that it doesn't touch my nose with any weight , any pressure more than, say active 3D glasses would be unbearable for me for more than 30 minutes .
post #143 of 381
I have my HMZ modded so that it doesn't rest on my nose either. I used the welders helmet. Having said that I still can't say that it is totally comfortable for me to wear. It is better than it was with the original straps but it is still not totally comfortable for me
post #144 of 381
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, I spoke with Silicon Micro Display recently and they said that unit scarcity has prevented them from shipping out review units to the big publications yet (ie: Good Guy SMD has been filling pre-orders instead of shipping to reviewers). Big publications should start happening soon and then we'll finally get some solid reviews. I should be getting one soon and I'll have a detailed review of it on my blog.

In the mean time, I've tracked down a few user reviews which might not be detailed enough but at least give us some indications of the performance and comfort (both of which are looking pretty good). Here's the first:

http://roadtovr.wordpress.com/2012/0...s-hit-the-web/

And the other here:

http://roadtovr.wordpress.com/2012/0...opens-a-forum/
post #145 of 381
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Originally Posted by benz145 View Post

Hey guys, I spoke with Silicon Micro Display recently and they said that unit scarcity has prevented them from shipping out review units to the big publications yet (ie: Good Guy SMD has been filling pre-orders instead of shipping to reviewers). Big publications should start happening soon and then we'll finally get some solid reviews. I should be getting one soon and I'll have a detailed review of it on my blog.

In the mean time, I've tracked down a few user reviews which might not be detailed enough but at least give us some indications of the performance and comfort (both of which are looking pretty good). Here's the first:

http://roadtovr.wordpress.com/2012/0...s-hit-the-web/

And the other here:

http://roadtovr.wordpress.com/2012/0...opens-a-forum/

Unfortunately, those are articles about the two existing reviews that everyone has already seen.

As far as I can tell, so far only two people have this HMD, and they are the two who have written the two reviews.
post #146 of 381
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Originally Posted by DAP View Post

Unfortunately, those are articles about the two existing reviews that everyone has already seen.

As far as I can tell, so far only two people have this HMD, and they are the two who have written the two reviews.

Correct.

At least a few of us here have received shipping notices, including me, so it shouldn't be very much longer.

Paul
post #147 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Correct.

At least a few of us here have received shipping notices, including me, so it shouldn't be very much longer.

Paul

Please let us know what you think of the product after receiving it, I am on the fence right now eagerly awaiting some solid reviews from AVS members.

Thanks in advance!
post #148 of 381
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by dolphinc View Post

Please let us know what you think of the product after receiving it, I am on the fence right now eagerly awaiting some solid reviews from AVS members.

Thanks in advance!

I've also been checking in to see if there are any reviews from knowledgeable people here at AVSF. Looking forward to your review, Paul.
post #149 of 381
Thread Starter 
There's some very interesting news in the HMD department today that anyone interested in HMDs should have a look at (90 degree field of view HMD)! As I mentioned in the HMZ-T1 thread, I don't want to hijack the discussion so please see the aforementioned news and start discussion here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...6#post22080696
post #150 of 381
Regarding difference in perceived pop-out: according to my back-of-napkin diagrams, 3d effects (depth and pop-out) increase with the interocular distance for the HMD's (a separate screen for each eye, converging on a virtual screen), while decreasing for a real single screen. So if you have wider eyes, you see better 3d with an HMD. I wonder how the adjustments of the HMD's (does the HMZ have that?) affect this.
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