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post #241 of 381
If they solve the light issue and blurr of the picture im more intrested again cool.gif More n more glad i didnt jump in the preorder ones
post #242 of 381
I finally got my tracking number today. It is on its way from Korea.

I spoke to Paul Jin and he told me that my shipment was delayed due to the quality control issues. They have mostly resolved the reported quality control issues such as corner blurriness, top half blurriness, dust in the display and light bleeding.

In a way, I am glad that mine was delayed so that some of the problems can be fixed. It was a blessing.

I should receive it next week. I returned the Sony HMD due to the discomfort so I am eager to try this out.

Well, at least I saved $100 by pre-ordering and riding the second wave. I feel sorry for the people who rode the first wave.

Fingers crossed......
post #243 of 381
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Originally Posted by Vancomycin View Post

I finally got my tracking number today. It is on its way from Korea.
I spoke to Paul Jin and he told me that my shipment was delayed due to the quality control issues. They have mostly resolved the reported quality control issues such as corner blurriness, top half blurriness, dust in the display and light bleeding.
In a way, I am glad that mine was delayed so that some of the problems can be fixed. It was a blessing.
I should receive it next week. I returned the Sony HMD due to the discomfort so I am eager to try this out.
Well, at least I saved $100 by pre-ordering and riding the second wave. I feel sorry for the people who rode the first wave.
Fingers crossed......

Good luck pal ! i hope you will have the best of experience with st1080
please do post ur thoughts for all of us once u play with it to ur heart's content

some say black is not black for st1080 but the fact is i like LCoS more than OLEDs as the image is smooth with full color [no pixel grid seen] despite black is grey.
i like z800[800x600 OLEDS,superb optics avg quality image,40 fov] for it's optics only but always go back to headplay PCS [ 800x600 LCoS,small exit pupil but great image quality,34 fov ] for a full color movie experience of a true LCD !

so that way my obvious choice becoz of experience is ST1080 ONLY! sorry no HMZ please !
i will not use HMZ even if someone is gonna give me that for free!
Edited by ancjob - 6/16/12 at 2:35am
post #244 of 381
I hope that the new versions really have eliminated all of the reported problems with the first shipments. I'll have to keep an eye out for impressions on the units that have gone through the improved quality control process. If they are truly better then I will be interested again. I love the image given from my HMZ but I would love to have something with better focus and lighter weight. The increased resolution will be a bonus for when I play 2d PC games on it.
post #245 of 381
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post

I hope that the new versions really have eliminated all of the reported problems with the first shipments. I'll have to keep an eye out for impressions on the units that have gone through the improved quality control process. If they are truly better then I will be interested again. I love the image given from my HMZ but I would love to have something with better focus and lighter weight. The increased resolution will be a bonus for when I play 2d PC games on it.

At least they are honest enough to admit that they are capable of making low quality units in high volume if the customers are willing to accept and keep them - hehehe smile.gif

i am also interested but the quality of first shipments and their draconian T&C makes me wait endlessly before i give into my propensities to splurge smile.gif

ppl are demanding that the issues be resolved and display port and 'Tilt-adjustment' be added just like in Vuzix headsets [AV920,VR920 etc]

i still feel that st1080 is more of a prototype and needs to be fine-tuned further before being accepted by me smile.gif

BTW - i think i will buy once they have 4k2k version released as a perfect HMD till then my old HMDs are ok
Edited by ancjob - 6/16/12 at 8:13am
post #246 of 381
Ancjob is probably one of the biggest teases I've ever seen. First, he's against the ST1080, then for it, then against, then for it, and finally after all that and the new desktop resolution they added for him, he completely dismisses the ST1080 as a prototype and says he's waiting for the 4k2k. Which is fine to say if you going to do it, but it's pretty pimpy to string along a company and say you're going to buy it, and then never actually do it. But that was pretty funny how much he complained.
post #247 of 381
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Originally Posted by printer2 View Post

Ancjob is probably one of the biggest teases I've ever seen. First, he's against the ST1080, then for it, then against, then for it, and finally after all that and the new desktop resolution they added for him, he completely dismisses the ST1080 as a prototype and says he's waiting for the 4k2k. Which is fine to say if you going to do it, but it's pretty pimpy to string along a company and say you're going to buy it, and then never actually do it. But that was pretty funny how much he complained.

My friend ! it's all abt usd$900 and the quality !

i am fascinated with tech. - portable small pocket-able TVs with full 3d support hence my interest and i believe these will be the things that will make traditional LCD/LEDs panels obsolete someday ! the future is already here but it needs commitment and support and a collective effort by the top notch companies to make this a reality .

SMD has the tech. to make it 'undisputed' as currently it's the best viz-a-viz FOV , resolution,3D support ,HDMI interface and 'glasses like design-lightweight' - all they have to do is fine-tune this further with display port added , tilt-mechanism added and stringent Quality control so that every unit shipped out is marvel of engg. putting HMZ-T1 into oblivion ! i hope SMD accomplishes this soon and becomes undisputed.

now for usd$900 - if i am spending so much i expect absolute quality NOT lame excuses like MFG variability,prism de-lamination,dusty panels leading to dead pixels ....That's i call it BS !

From what the reviews have been so far - it looks like a prototype to be fine-tuned further and guess what am not in a hurry to buy either !

So if they have to stay in business they have to listen to feedback and make the product worthy! else they end up like TDvisor did! - which vanished in thin air after selling a few prototypes.

i can pay them usd$1200 for their 4k2k straight provided it's indeed quality ! ooops they have not perfected the 1080p yet let alone 4k2k so it's long wait then!
Edited by ancjob - 6/18/12 at 7:16am
post #248 of 381
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My friend ! it's all abt usd$900 and the quality !............................................

SMD has the tech. to make it 'undisputed' as currently it's the best viz-a-viz FOV , resolution,3D support ,HDMI interface and 'glasses like design-lightweight' - all they have to do is fine-tune this further with display port added , tilt-mechanism added and stringent Quality control so that every unit shipped out is marvel of engg. putting HMZ-T1 into oblivion ! i hope SMD accomplishes this soon and becomes undisputed.
rolleyes.gif Please!
Can't see them ever puting the HMZ-T1 into oblivion given the technological differences.eek.gifconfused.gif

For Movie entertainment via BD 3D and BD discs, the OLED technology that the HMZ-T1 has, demonstrates that it can produce a far superior quality image; where IMO, the ST1080 LCoS display will never be able to replicate.frown.gif

And that is comparing both units, HMZ-T1 @ 720P and ST1080 @ 1080P.
Eventually Sony increasing the OLEDs to 1080P and beyond can only improve the already stellar "reference" performance for image quality.cool.gif

Paul
Edited by Paul H - 6/18/12 at 9:00am
post #249 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

rolleyes.gif Please!
Can't see them ever puting the HMZ-T1 into oblivion given the technological differences.eek.gifconfused.gif
For Movie entertainment via BD 3D and BD discs, the OLED technology that the HMZ-T1 has, demonstrates that it can produce a far superior quality image; where IMO, the ST1080 LCoS display will never be able to replicate.frown.gif
And that is comparing both units, HMZ-T1 @ 720P and ST1080 @ 1080P.
Eventually Sony increasing the OLEDs to 1080P and beyond can only improve the already stellar "reference" performance for image quality.cool.gif
Paul

Paul i really hope that ur wish comes true for 1080p OLEDs to be a reality but i do not think so !

1)they have made HMZ to be PS3 accessory which in it's present form is adequate and since the unit is already on pre-order everywhere except USA so 1080p version is gonna be a long long wait:)

2)As for tech comparison i have z800 as well as headplay[LCoS based] - true that LCoS cannot produce deep black but the full blown colors keep the z800 at bay ! coz for movies i always prefer headplay over z800 although optics of z800 still are the best which cannot be matched by these NEW HMDs [HMZ,st1080] or any HMD worth it's salt..

the issue is the 'pixel grid' i always see pixel grid in z800 and color is overly balanced whereas in headplay PCS it's like watching a true LCD ! with rich full blown colors and 'grey' blacks and superb details of skin tone etc - headplay is my favorite so far despite it's BAD optics and low FOV ! but then it's my personal opinion !

Too bad that u 'd to return the st1080 but i guess st1080 is the 'ONLY' decent option for it's FOV and interface,ergonomics let's see if the SMD really are true to their word and have resolved all the issues reported with their first shipment! - for me usd$125 for a trial is too much

Regd. HMZ - the design is real scary for me to even think for a moment ! Too bad with such a huge control box , still they 'd to have controls on board HMD making it bulky to say the least! The person who designed HMZ 'd fired and taken to backstage and shot ! Were they heavy on drink/dope while being on drawing board to design HMZ - how 'd they have come up with a design like that ?
Also hey must have somebody there to test the prototype - how did it pass the tests for ergonomics/optics etc ? did nobody care at all - why ?
Too bad nobody seems to have answers to questions above so st1080 is the ONLY option for me as a decent upgrade .

So in a nutshell

emagin z800 [ superb optics,avg image quality]
Headplay PCS [bad optics , superb image quality]
st1080 - not sure sure abt either optics / image Q

seems like designing an HMD with optics like that of z800 and pristine image quality seems more complicated than rocket science !
Sony with it's tech might still unable to provide optics/ergonomics on par with z800 - some hope with st1080 which time will tell only !

i'd love to hear from somebody who has st1080 and headplay to make a detailed comparison !

BTW Paul - have u tried / used Headplay PCS ever ?
Edited by ancjob - 6/18/12 at 1:16pm
post #250 of 381
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

Paul i really hope that ur wish comes true for 1080p OLEDs to be a reality but i do not think so !
1)they have made HMZ to be PS3 accessory which in it's present form is adequate and since the unit is already on pre-order everywhere except USA so 1080p version is gonna be a long long wait:)
2)As for tech comparison i have z800 as well as headplay[LCoS based] - true that LCoS cannot produce deep black but the full blown colors keep the z800 at bay ! coz for movies i always prefer headplay over z800 although optics of z800 still are the best which cannot be matched by these NEW HMDs [HMZ,st1080] or any HMD worth it's salt..
the issue is the 'pixel grid' i always see pixel grid in z800 and color is overly balanced whereas in headplay PCS it's like watching a true LCD ! with rich full blown colors and 'grey' blacks and superb details of skin tone etc - headplay is my favorite so far despite it's BAD optics and low FOV ! but then it's my personal opinion !
Too bad that u 'd to return the st1080 but i guess st1080 is the 'ONLY' decent option for it's FOV and interface,ergonomics let's see if the SMD really are true to their word and have resolved all the issues reported with their first shipment! - for me usd$125 for a trial is too much
Regd. HMZ - the design is real scary for me to even think for a moment ! Too bad with such a huge control box , still they 'd to have controls on board HMD making it bulky to say the least! The person who designed HMZ 'd fired and taken to backstage and shot ! Were they heavy on drink/dope while being on drawing board to design HMZ - how 'd they have come up with a design like that ?
Also hey must have somebody there to test the prototype - how did it pass the tests for ergonomics/optics etc ? did nobody care at all - why ?
Too bad nobody seems to have answers to questions above so st1080 is the ONLY option for me as a decent upgrade .
So in a nutshell
emagin z800 [ superb optics,avg image quality]
Headplay PCS [bad optics , superb image quality]
st1080 - not sure sure abt either optics / image Q
i'd love to hear from somebody who has st1080 and headplay to make a detailed comparison !
BTW Paul - have u tried / used Headplay PCS ever ?
Never tried Headplay PCS.

There are several aspects of the Sony HMD that are wanting for specific situations. Comfort, size, audio channels, all are issues. Sony correctly advertises the model as a personal 3D viewer that can be used as "a private movie theater" and that is where the performance excels.

Your description of "rich full blown colors and 'grey' blacks and superb details of skin tone etc -" would appropriately describe the quality image rendition that the OLEDs in the HMZ-T1 produce, the grey scale resolving all the way to deep black, but I can't compare the Headplay PCS quality differences.

As stated, the 720P OLEDs produce IMO, a reference quality HD image with a micro-pixel structure that's negligible when viewing BD & BD 3D movies. Higher resolution would always be welcome, but the HD images the HMZ-T1 produces is a very satisfying experience for my needs.

Paul
Edited by Paul H - 6/18/12 at 1:54pm
post #251 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Eventually Sony increasing the OLEDs to 1080P and beyond can only improve the already stellar "reference" performance for image quality.cool.gif
Paul

When "reference" image quality consists of being able to see pixels and blurred corners, that is not saying much about the product or the competition.
post #252 of 381
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Originally Posted by nickoakdl View Post

When "reference" image quality consists of being able to see pixels and blurred corners, that is not saying much about the product or the competition.
Reference quality is the term I use for describing two twin displays that produce the best image I've seen in a 720P resolution display to date. The HMD optical technology that is used to view the display in its current state is capable of obtaining focused corners with modifications and also with facial positioning adjustments. Both the ST1080 and HMZ-T1 models have room for improvement in their current state for 100% clarity without adjustment. The close proximity of the eye distance to OLED micro-pixels at their most excessive visible articulation point actually only represents a "rough" texture description to the naked eye and only when at the most excessive rendition points. When viewing movies, micro-pixels are usually invisible to the naked eye disguised as parts of camouflage in patterns and I've personally never been able to see "individual pixels", like the kind that are described as a screen-door-effect from a 720P projector that is produced when standing close to a screen, in any media I've tested for that very experience.

Paul
post #253 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Reference quality is the term I use for describing two twin displays that produce the best image I've seen in a 720P resolution display to date. The HMD optical technology that is used to view the display in its current state is capable of obtaining focused corners with modifications and also with facial positioning adjustments. Both the ST1080 and HMZ-T1 models have room for improvement in their current state for 100% clarity without adjustment. The close proximity of the eye distance to OLED micro-pixels at their most excessive visible articulation point actually only represents a "rough" texture description to the naked eye and only when at the most excessive rendition points. When viewing movies, micro-pixels are usually invisible to the naked eye disguised as parts of camouflage in patterns and I've personally never been able to see "individual pixels", like the kind that are described as a screen-door-effect from a 720P projector that is produced when standing close to a screen, in any media I've tested for that very experience.
Paul

try headplay PCS they are for just usd$299 here : http://www.rangevideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=218

trust me the image Q is almost like real LCD panel but only issue being the screens are highly reflective and exit pupil is very small - HMD requires continuous adjustment as it slips too often!
but i prefer to use headplay instead of z800

what i want is someone 'd post the subtle differences . between HMZ and headplay regd image Q as the exit pupil in both is very small
post #254 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

Reference quality is the term I use for describing two twin displays that produce the best image I've seen in a 720P resolution display to date. The HMD optical technology that is used to view the display in its current state is capable of obtaining focused corners with modifications and also with facial positioning adjustments. Both the ST1080 and HMZ-T1 models have room for improvement in their current state for 100% clarity without adjustment. The close proximity of the eye distance to OLED micro-pixels at their most excessive visible articulation point actually only represents a "rough" texture description to the naked eye and only when at the most excessive rendition points. When viewing movies, micro-pixels are usually invisible to the naked eye disguised as parts of camouflage in patterns and I've personally never been able to see "individual pixels", like the kind that are described as a screen-door-effect from a 720P projector that is produced when standing close to a screen, in any media I've tested for that very experience.
Paul


with HMZ and st1080 only the two competing for the top slot - i at times get tempted to try HMZ but the design of it scares me so i discard the idea of buying[trying] it - seems unless they redesign HMZ i may not buy that ever !

Paul - try headplay PCS they are for just usd$299 here : http://www.rangevideo.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=13&products_id=218
trust me the image Q is almost like real LCD panel but only issue being the screens are highly reflective and exit pupil is very small - HMD requires continuous adjustment as it slips too often[same issues as HMZ] !
but i prefer to use headplay instead of z800 purely for the sharpness of the image and detailed skin tones which are always missing in z800 and in z800 the pixel mesh/grid irritates me

what i want is someone 'd post the subtle differences . between HMZ and headplay PCS regd image Q as issues with both are similar !
post #255 of 381
Oled is perfect with colour blacks n fantastic contrast the only sight downer on the hmz-1 is the only 720p .. Whos ever intrested in 2D hmds in 2012 ? eek.gif 3D is here on the sony with the right movie its fantastic
post #256 of 381
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Oled is perfect with colour blacks n fantastic contrast the only sight downer on the hmz-1 is the only 720p .. Whos ever intrested in 2D hmds in 2012 ? eek.gif 3D is here on the sony with the right movie its fantastic

and in countless reviews - it's said that u cannot get full focus of all 4 corners of screens - edges being blurry! to test this right /wrong - usd$900 is too much to pay and let alone the design which as scary as hell!
post #257 of 381
oops wrong post
post #258 of 381
There is no point arguing with him - it is useless... this is a very exciting time for HMD's again - not alot has changed over the years however we are at the beginning stages of something big! Just let him wine and cry about the glorious 1080p and 720p OLED panels while we have the pleasure to test, mod and enjoy what 2012 has to offer! Again - thanks to Sony and SMD the VR community will be alive once again!
post #259 of 381
Theres simpley ways to get the hmz-1 blurry free so rolleyes.gif its no problem wink.gif
post #260 of 381
Another rave review from thegameveda has just been posted.

http://the-games-veda.blogspot.ca/

I wish he would take a video of the screens to allow us to see it in action!
post #261 of 381
Until I start to some some reports that collaborate what the Game Veda has been reporting from the beginning I'll have to take what he writes with a huge grain of salt. Hopefully his units really are free of the manufacturing defects that seem to plague the few other users who have posted impressions. No one else has reported being able to get a completely blur free clear image across the entire ST1080 screen. No one. Not a single other User has stated this. Unless the people who have gotten a "perfect" unit aren't bothering to post impressions then I'll remain sceptical of what he reports. I would love to have my doubts proven wrong once impressions of the second wave of ST1080s with improved quality control measures come out. If it really can be as good as what the Game Veda is reporting then I would pick one up in a heart beat. I
post #262 of 381
Mine will be here in Japan on Monday night and I'll be sure to review the 2 I get.
post #263 of 381
Thanks - I look forward to your review and comparison! Would be amazing if you could get a video of the screens in action - if at all possible!
post #264 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Mine will be here in Japan on Monday night and I'll be sure to review the 2 I get.
Hey bravia, think you might be able to do a couple of videos like these ... GT5 on the HMZ and demo of Tron on the HMZ (skip to around 11:80 and forward)?
Edited by tomin - 6/20/12 at 11:15pm
post #265 of 381
I'll try my best once they arrive smile.gif
post #266 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Mine will be here in Japan on Monday night and I'll be sure to review the 2 I get.

Good luck Pal - really looking forward to ur review - i hope you will be happy once u receive them - plz do review it here so that we get some idea about the shipment Quality since they claim to have resolved issues reported earlier with previous shipments .

BTW -one thing i do not understand is - how they 'd roll out 'LOW Q defective' sets under selling pressure ?mad.gif
they 'd have been wary of Q scale as they knew the entire world was watching them after the 'FULL HD Headset' hype generated all across
yet their CEO had the courage to say openly that they were capable of rolling out 'Low Quality units' in high volumes as well - now that's something ! mad.gif

Even Sony despite still being in pre-order across Europe / Asia have their high q intact albeit the intrinsic design flaws[ ergonimics/optics]

i am very skeptical of this company SMD if they are really capable of rolling out top Q headsets ever !
let's wait and watch! smile.gif
post #267 of 381
Surprisingly mine came in today early. I opened the black one and haven't fooled with it to much, but with the 10 minutes I did fool with it I'm not impressed. Connected it to my Sony 3DBD player and popped in Grand Canyon and turned on the glasses. Had the thing resting on my nose as it has a nose piece and seems that's how it goes, but all I could see was the bottom of the screen and what looked like a horrible refelction under the screen. I had to lift the damn glasses way off my nose just to get a full screen view, and when I finally did that holding it with my hands... It looks like the movie wasn't even full screen?! I see a screen and the movie didn't fill the whole screen, had white lines all the way around the top and bottom. Best I can describe it is shining a projector on a screen but not taking up the whole screen. So I tried other movies with the same problem, what the hell gives?!
It looks horrible that way and the edges were super blurry, the center is nice and clear...

I'm gonna fool around with it much, much more tomorrow and open the white one as well. But so far.. I am wanting ALL my cash back.
post #268 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

Surprisingly mine came in today early. I opened the black one and haven't fooled with it to much, but with the 10 minutes I did fool with it I'm not impressed. Connected it to my Sony 3DBD player and popped in Grand Canyon and turned on the glasses. Had the thing resting on my nose as it has a nose piece and seems that's how it goes, but all I could see was the bottom of the screen and what looked like a horrible refelction under the screen. I had to lift the damn glasses way off my nose just to get a full screen view, and when I finally did that holding it with my hands... It looks like the movie wasn't even full screen?! I see a screen and the movie didn't fill the whole screen, had white lines all the way around the top and bottom. Best I can describe it is shining a projector on a screen but not taking up the whole screen. So I tried other movies with the same problem, what the hell gives?!
It looks horrible that way and the edges were super blurry, the center is nice and clear...
I'm gonna fool around with it much, much more tomorrow and open the white one as well. But so far.. I am wanting ALL my cash back.
Suggest you don't open the white HMD. An unopened box has only a $25.00 restocking fee and they may be kind enough to wave that, given the circumstances. You open it and it will more than likely cost you another $125.00 restock fee per their posted return policy. Only SMDs goodwill can change that, as they are the ones who already have your money.

As far as quality control, they will most certainly want to remind you that your two units were sent from the first problem batch.

Hoping it works out amiably for you. Your efforts have been appreciated.

Paul
post #269 of 381
i will be waiting for a review from anybody who ordered after 15th june [when in the blog they mentioned of having resolved all reported issues] and got their tracking number !
too bad for u bravia3d - i hope they resolve the issues with your shipment amicably !

Good luck bravia3d

so far looks like HMZ is the best bet par se:) my instincts tell me to wait and watch - why ? why i am hoping that these koreans 'd deliver their promise ? why ?
Edited by ancjob - 6/22/12 at 9:26am
post #270 of 381
Oh is it really that bad? Hoped the new units was better than the first bach mad.gif
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