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post #331 of 381
For the people having issues with 3D, categorically stating that there isn't any [last 5-7 posts], you just need one person who IS seeing 3D effects on the same device to make your setup suspect.

This is not a personal remark or an insinuation of any kind, just a statement of fact as there have been posts made by people saying the 3D on the SMD went from either good to very good.

Remember that because pop-out depends on a screen point of reference in space, that might be muted on the SMD, but depth should still be present.
The prevailing trend amongst artisans considers 3D to be more about depth than pop-out which was always seen as a gimmick from earlier 3D efforts which didn't last.
Avatar is a good example of depth chosen over pop-out and it was done this way on purpose.

John Q. Public though, still refers to 3D thinking ONLY of pop-out and then they say there is no 3D but they don't qualify their remarks.
The telecom guy who sits next to me at work bitched about the 3D in Prometheus not being all that great and then went on about how their wasn't any pop-out which made his assessment very suspect but I have known his preference for a while and didn't pursue it further.

In terms of what could be wrong technically, lets assume from this point forward, you are not seeing 3D at all, neither depth nor pop-out.

There is only one way you wouldn't be seeing 3D on the SMD even though you are playing a 3D source and the player and cable are not suspect, which basically would stem from the SMD not being detected as a 3D device by the player and a 2D image being sent which would be copied to both screens identically and would not be recognized by the brain as a 3D image.

It IS, however, very easy to rule this out.

Just pause on any part of the movie with a lot of detail in it [animated titles are best for this if you can] and look at both screens.
If the objects in the pictures on both screens are in the exact same spot, then you are actually playing a 2D image.

HTH smile.gif
post #332 of 381
Its easy to test the pop 3D effect on this cool.gif just to test any movie with a good pop out from a 3D tv n comp with the st wink.gif

Sammys turtle tales snake is referance pop out
post #333 of 381
I got a reply back from Stephanie, very nice email applogizing. She said Paul was waiting to hear from me on my decision. I had written him and support, so I asked if possibly they have a spam filter that could be blocking some customers emails or anything. It seems communication is failing some where and that may be a reason. It seems Pauls outa the country so she said she will contact him as soon as she can. This could be a possible reason he didn't contact me back. But still no excuse for support not writing.

I am just finally happy to hear from someone there after so many days of waiting wondering if I just wasted $1,450
I truly would have chosen replacements if the communication was better and they replied to my emails. I'll stck with my HMZ for now and maybe when Silicon grows, gets their company really going and can have good communication I will check into the ST1080 again or their 4k item coming out.

Good news is, looks like I will get my refund soon, Stephanie seems like a nice person to deal with and emails back fast and nicely. So I am very relieved.
post #334 of 381
Well guess it had to do with ur comunety post on the st forum wink.gif
post #335 of 381
It's ashame, was really wanting something portable I can watch movies on. Oh well though, I can wait and be patient for the future.
post #336 of 381
Well ur problems with the company and the hmd itself really been a eye opener cool.gif im gnna stay away myself
post #337 of 381
I think that with some time Silicon will improve on the ST1080. The good thing is it is upgradeable, which means they can add more options to the menu and fix more problems. I also think once problems work out and after some time maybe their customer service will get better. I'd hope so, as they are a small company for now with potential to grow and customer service is a VERY BIG part of that. When they do reply to emails they are very friendly and helpful which is a good thing. The bad is having to wait so long but as I mentioned they may have a spam blocker causing this.
I posted before for others to beware, but now I have seen a few others on their forum that get replies fast so it's kinda 50/50. Hopefully Silicon is working on it.
post #338 of 381
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Originally Posted by alex76 View Post

I think SMD put almost every disappointment to manufacturing defects was a really bad idea, Even for SMD themselves.
For example, I do think blurry corners come from optics design and cannot be fixed until new set of optics. A big FOV optics for HMD is real technical challenge for optics designer. To know that, check the FOV of first HMD comes for optics giant Carl Zeiss : 30 degree only!
Another bad experience, Light bleeding. I think it comes from behavior of LCoS technology and also related with optics design. Again It can’t be fixed by any quality control.
But SMD stated these can be fix by new batch unit. It will raise users hope again. But get just a little improved unit will really piss them off because it wastes their hope and time. It will spot SMD’s reputation more.
I think refund this generation ST1080, wait-and-see will be good idea for users.

As reported - st1080's control box getting real hot , no options to adjust contrast , color,hue,saturation,red,green,black ,no video presets ,no VGA input possible , blurry corners,light bleed ,only brightness and led on/off possible - st1080 looks like a joke or a rip off or a prototype at best for now - headplay is way way better albeit 3D which i least care about !


For those hoping that SMD's 4k2k version will be better - SMD has not mastered the optics yet let alone upgrading the panels to 4k2k in future !
i doubt SMD will live upto delivering their 4k2k given the shoddy Q of their present project - st1080.


Damm! i thank my stars and the GOD that i did not pre-order this st1080 crap ! f**ked up optics and light-bleed will get this company closing it's business soon unless they take stringent QC measures at war footing !

3D is not my priority - i do not play games and do not have 3D movie collection i thought i was getting latest 3d as BONUS too bad st1080 looks like crap !

whatever issues being reported even with 2nd shipment are NOT there with my headplay and it's ALMOST perfect LCD ,now that st1080 with it's current issues is hopeless - i'd buy the headplay MOD [here : http://www.fpv-plastics.com/FPV-Plastics/headplay.html] and live easy and wait for ver 2.0 of sony HMZ if it ever comes out - btw 35FOV is not bad for me considering cinemizer OLED pre-order is around 800usd for crappy 30FOV and limited 3d support.

if anyone interested in 2D only - headplay + MOD [link above] and emagin z800 are the best bet for now !

so back to my headplay and z800 emagin now seem great companions for bad times ahead for HMDs !
Edited by ancjob - 7/2/12 at 7:31am
post #339 of 381
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Damm! i thank my stars and the GOD that i did not pre-order this st1080 crap

So, let me get this straight, you did NOT pre-order and, therefore, you yourself have actually NEVER USED the ST1080, but we should use your collection of other people's negative reviews as a strong indicator of a bad product ??!!!
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post #340 of 381
My opinion is, it may be a nice product for some and not for others. You can buy it and see and if you don't like it always return it.
post #341 of 381
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Originally Posted by nikonf5 View Post

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Damm! i thank my stars and the GOD that i did not pre-order this st1080 crap
So, let me get this straight, you did NOT pre-order and, therefore, you yourself have actually NEVER USED the ST1080, but we should use your collection of other people's negative reviews as a strong indicator of a bad product ??!!!
rolleyes.gif

i was about to order it when i read the hefty restocking fee in T&C - that made me halt , that something fishy might be there - why huge restocking fee ?
nope - just buy and then return and pay hefty restocking fee+return shipping +custome fee paid not included - ur choice


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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

My opinion is, it may be a nice product for some and not for others. You can buy it and see and if you don't like it always return it.

Pal - you are lucky that they are offering u full refund for return others had to pay hefty fees to get part of their money back.

usd$125 + usd$200 (custom fee paid) + 50-80 usd$ return shipping = usd$400 - wow! pretty expensive for hit & trial - no thanks
but i'd like to thank those who ordered and wrote honest product review .
Edited by ancjob - 7/2/12 at 9:54pm
post #342 of 381
Yea I am lucky, but still lose $238 for shipping and more for shipping back.
post #343 of 381
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Originally Posted by bravia3D View Post

My opinion is, it may be a nice product for some and not for others. You can buy it and see and if you don't like it always return it.

I think st1080 is not a "bad" product. But it hit market in wrong time.

st1080 could be a huge progress in head mount display even with these defect. But sony put out HMZ before st1080. Its "reference level" picture quality raised the bar.

I feel sorry about SMD, hope they can survive and put new products to market.
post #344 of 381
I do also, if they can get a 4k HMD out that has 3D and looks good they will do very well off and beat others to it!
post #345 of 381
i waited for st1080 ardently [upgrade from headplay+ bonus : latest 3D support] ] and waited for reviews before getting into the game , but the reviews sucked mad.gif

Are they fixing the lenses manually , using bare hands ? WTF - prism de-lamination all about - optics 'd have been sealed component with lens fitted to perfection down to a millionth of micron to the on-board display module ! [check emagin modules , one cannot find faults in their optics whether they sell 500 units or 5 lakh units]

Finally wanted something usb powered with 32FOV so settled for vuzix VR920[ [spent usd$149 yeah! dirt cheap] for my nettop asrock ion 3d for use as 2D monitor now i do not need this [st1080]
headplay with it's spectacular image Q is too cumbersome with it's control box and requiring it's own power supply .

vuzix wrap920 was also an option but 3D at usd$150 more was too much for me to consider since 3D is NOT my priority atm.

also will be purchasing the headplay MOD soon for a decent quality viewing and emagin is there always [but i like LCOS more than OLEDs] - in a nutshell i DO NOT need the st1080 [usd$799 crap] unless they miraculously do better to convince me otherwise in the times to come .smile.gif

Sony and st1080 have issues with optics , cinemizer OLED has just 30FOV , vuzix known for making avg. low resolution headsets so where we are now ? pro headsets are still way above anyone's reach !

VR has reached nowhere yet!
Edited by ancjob - 7/4/12 at 6:44am
post #346 of 381
Like locos has prooven to be good rolleyes.gif No olede is the future not this **** acient tech
post #347 of 381
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

Like locos has prooven to be good rolleyes.gif No olede is the future not this **** acient tech

Pal - just forget 3D and try headplay PCS [if may get lucky to find it selling for usd$100] - it's image Q is still so close to real LCD that i have not seen anything even coming close - not even emagin which i also have !
i doubt if the st1080 will have the same image Q as that of headplay !
but then it's personal opinion!smile.gif
BTW - ur english sucks - just improve

UPDATE : Just checked their Blog - wow - another lame excuse - poor quality component supplier leading to production delay !
I do not know how many lame excuses this SMD has to make to justify their poor quality !
thank GOD i did not pre-order else i'd demanded my money back!

First they create mega hype of FULL HD headset all over the internet - then they start taking pre-orders then they start delivering faulty units then they start making lame excuses to justify Poor QC and then more excuses and management jargon after shipping 2nd installment of poor Q shipment then more excuses........

is there any end to it or they are just ripping ppl off of their moolah!
Edited by ancjob - 7/4/12 at 1:04pm
post #348 of 381
rolleyes.gif Not as much as ur old style hmd wink.gif but thats just your personal option... to use that vs a pitch perfect blackness level oled hmd cool.gif
post #349 of 381
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Originally Posted by vaktmestern View Post

rolleyes.gif Not as much as ur old style hmd wink.gif but thats just your personal option... to use that vs a pitch perfect blackness level oled hmd cool.gif

OLEDs - come on - pixel structure irks me a lot [z800 3dvisor] it's there in HMZ [see HMZ threads ] also one big reason i do not want HMZ even for 'free'
enough with z800 3dvisor becoz of pixel grid visible and the 'image somewhat behind it '
i can live with 'blacks being grey' as long as the panels deliver 'full , vibrant and rich eye-pleasing ' color not as those in z800 where color is overly balanced , not even rich and poor contrasted!

BTW - i have observed all who have HMZ have per-ordered st1080 mostly also so the satisfaction with HMZ just NOT there even with extensive moddling !
i do not give a damm to 3D so i am pretty ok with my old HMDs for 2D
post #350 of 381
Well in my eyes even a modded hmz1 isnt perfect cool.gif have turned my into a skigoogle mod
post #351 of 381
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

OLEDs - come on - pixel structure irks me a lot [z800 3dvisor] it's there in HMZ [see HMZ threads ] also one big reason i do not want HMZ even for 'free'
rolleyes.gif
Have you even experienced the 720P OLEDs of the HMZ-T1?

IMO, they produce a seemingly perfect image in reference quality competitive form. The 720P micro-pixel structure is almost negligibly visible. When playing BD 3Ds they can only rarely, be seen as texture, not as individual pixels, and only in parts of the image where an illuminated pattern would accentuate visibility. It is IMO the best 720P display made via the technology. Only 1080P would best it, but unfortunately the ST1080s LCoS displays are not capable for competing, when comparing IMO, because of the undesired image rendition the technology produces.
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Originally Posted by ancjob View Post

BTW - i have observed all who have HMZ have per-ordered st1080 mostly also so the satisfaction with HMZ just NOT there even with extensive moddling !
i do not give a damm to 3D so i am pretty ok with my old HMDs for 2D
Don't kid yourself. The satisfaction for OLED quality is there. People are just always looking to future upgrades for improvement and futuristic betterment.cool.gif

Paul
post #352 of 381
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Originally Posted by Paul H View Post

rolleyes.gif
Have you even experienced the 720P OLEDs of the HMZ-T1?
IMO, they produce a seemingly perfect image in reference quality competitive form. The 720P micro-pixel structure is almost negligibly visible. When playing BD 3Ds they can only rarely, be seen as texture, not as individual pixels, and only in parts of the image where an illuminated pattern would accentuate visibility. It is IMO the best 720P display made via the technology. Only 1080P would best it, but unfortunately the ST1080s LCoS displays are not capable for competing, when comparing IMO, because of the undesired image rendition the technology produces.

Don't kid yourself. The satisfaction for OLED quality is there. People are just always looking to future upgrades for improvement and futuristic betterment.cool.gif
Paul

Paul - i love ur enthusiasm for new tech that u even tried st1080 and returned it also
for me i'd have tried HMZ but the design is a 'turn-off' for me mad.gif though i am getting fov 50 , 720p resolution and latest 3d support as free bonus !
i love the tech. for it simulates personal cinema as if i am in huge theater all alone with a big screen in front of me .

if the sony 'd come up with a 'st1080' form factor - i might as well get in the HMD game since u say the pixel grid does not look too explicit .
i need to max the brightness on z800 to get rid of the pixel grid/mesh but then it comes at a cost of sacrificing sharpness whatever more/less it has mad.gif

seems like Vuzix wrap920vr [usb powered , VGA only] are ok as low cost options to enjoy VR till such time we really have a 'killer' HMD
post #353 of 381
ancjob, if the overall design of the HMZ is a turn-off for you then it is understandable that you wouldn't even give it a try. But don't miss out on trying it because you are worried about pixel grid showing up and interfering with your enjoyment of the image that the HMZ is capable of producing. The image quality is the one thing that the HMZ does extremely well at. It's major faults are difficulty in getting perfect focus across the entire screen and comfort issues. If the goal is watching movies and playing games then the HMZ is a very capable product.

My main interest in the ST1080 was the early promise of improved screen focus with a larger sweet spot. It turned out that this is apparently not the case and since the ST1080 has such a heavy cost associated with trying to return it I have not given it a try personally.
post #354 of 381
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Originally Posted by acegamer View Post

ancjob, if the overall design of the HMZ is a turn-off for you then it is understandable that you wouldn't even give it a try. But don't miss out on trying it because you are worried about pixel grid showing up and interfering with your enjoyment of the image that the HMZ is capable of producing. The image quality is the one thing that the HMZ does extremely well at. It's major faults are difficulty in getting perfect focus across the entire screen and comfort issues. If the goal is watching movies and playing games then the HMZ is a very capable product.
My main interest in the ST1080 was the early promise of improved screen focus with a larger sweet spot. It turned out that this is apparently not the case and since the ST1080 has such a heavy cost associated with trying to return it I have not given it a try personally.

Pal - my main goal is to experience personal cinema and these things are addictive if they are the right kind smile.gif

even i was tempted to pre-order st1080 for the same reason as u wanted but the T&C of SMD are very difficult to comply with .

i keep an open mind so i can try but HMZ is NOT available in India

now my questions to u

1)Regd. HMZ - out of the box - after adjusting the ipd controls - are u able to get all 4 corners of the screen in perfect focus [without blurring etc] ?

2)since fov of HMZ is around 50 - does it strain ur eyes after attaining the clear focus of entire image , when u move your eyes around the entire image ?
post #355 of 381
No and NO cool.gif
post #356 of 381
No I cannot get perfect focus across the screen with my HMZ. That is the one thing that I don't like about it. For movies it isn't a problem but it bothers me in games when I'm trying to read a menu.

As before I can't attain full focus, but I do not experience any eye strain when using the HMZ.
post #357 of 381
I get perfect focus and full screen on my HMZ with my mods.
post #358 of 381
I think that just goes to show that the hMZ is a device that has to be experienced first hand before you can make a judgement call on it one way or the other. I think people have slightly different results with it do to different face shapes and eye distances. I have my HMZ modded with the welders helmet mod and I get close to full focus but not complete. Even when I hold the HMZ as close to my eyes as possible with no face pads just as a test, I am unable to get full focus across the screen. I think that it just has to do with my face structure.

@blazin3d: I would have given your comfort pads a shot also if my original head strap hadn't broken. Sony doesn't sell replacements for that and I hear that it cost $125 to send it in and get it replaced in their shop. i didn't want to send it in for a couple of weeks just for that or spend the money when I could just mod it for much cheaper.cool.gif
post #359 of 381
Get a 95pecent blurr free aswell lill on the top left corner but it hardly affects the picture :cool but i modded my slightly

Agree its from person to person this issue
post #360 of 381
That sucks your strap broke, Sony should have made them much stronger.
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