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post #31 of 158
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post #32 of 158
I completely agree that past the ~ $5,000 range at the consumer level, the bang for your buck factor starts to fade away. I usually say beyond $7,500, it becomes price gouging.

A $100,000 system is probably only ACTUALLY worth about $10,000 worth of equipment anyway, with a $90,000 markup.

There will always be this type of consumer out there, who is actually more interested in exercising that type of purchasing power than they are interested in having the most accurate and precise sound quality.
post #33 of 158
I think, from limited personal experience, that high-end speakers (above say $5k/pair) are mostly a placebo. Sure, with test equipment and measuring devices, I am sure there is a difference but the human ear won't be able to notice.

Just like how almost all speakers will claim a frequency response as high as 25k or 30k hz. The human ear is only capable of hearing to 20k hz. High end speakers are like this too. Where differences in distortion or frequency response is so small that only a device could notice it.

Sometimes exclusivity alone is what drives price. Knowing that no one else is dumb enough to spend that much drives the price up.
And then aesthetics (which to me is one of the least important part of speakers) are part of it too. If it looks cool people won't care how much it costs.

With so many awesome options for well under $5k, you can't really justify spending any more. The diminishing returns are far to great to make sense.

And truth be told, the super wealthy that can afford these kinds of speakers are far more discerning about how they spend their money than we are. The only people I could see spending $50k+ on speakers are either really dumb and don't care about their money OR work in the industry.
post #34 of 158
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Oh, sorry.

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post #35 of 158
While there are some speakers that are overachievers in their price bracket, normally all you need to do to find a better sounding speaker is to go one model up with the same manufacturer.
I don't think anyone has to spend any set amount to achieve audio nirvana, but its not reality to think $5k speakers is as good as it gets.
post #36 of 158
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Originally Posted by TornadoGT1 View Post

And truth be told, the super wealthy that can afford these kinds of speakers are far more discerning about how they spend their money than we are.

Au contraire, having so much literally to burn they're far less wise about how they part with it.
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The only people I could see spending $50k+ on speakers are either really dumb and don't care about their money OR work in the industry.

Yes to the former, no to the latter. Those in the industry know enough not to waste their money on $50k+ speakers unless they get them at net factory cost.
post #37 of 158
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Au contraire, having so much literally to burn they're far less wise about how they part with it. Yes to the former, no to the latter. Those in the industry know enough not to waste their money on $50k+ speakers unless they get them at net factory cost.

My boss, or rather our director refuse to buy a system as close to what I have, gives me these blank stares when I talk about my system and every sentence ends and how much money is that???Same thing when she came to me asking about the latest flat screens which her 8 year old Sony screen had died, I was pushing her to one of the new Elite 70" LCD's, she got her brother in-law to get her a discount on Panny 65" and this lady makes over 7 mil a year, so the point of my story is the more money you make the less you're inclined to spend it..I've seen this over and over and over, as my GF's boss how own several homes in the Hamptons don't own a dvd player let alone a blu ray player.


So I think we agree here.

Djoel
post #38 of 158
I wonder how much Pink Floyd's tour set up costs. I saw them at the old Jack Murphy in San Diego and I could see that system being worth $100,000k or more. Of course, speakers were stacked 50 feet high and about as wide on each side.
post #39 of 158
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Originally Posted by chashint View Post

While there are some speakers that are overachievers in their price bracket, normally all you need to do to find a better sounding speaker is to go one model up with the same manufacturer.
I don't think anyone has to spend any set amount to achieve audio nirvana, but its not reality to think $5k speakers is as good as it gets.

I don't think anybody said 5k speakers are as "good as it gets".

We're talking about practicality.. the point where your bang for your buck value starts to disappear and you start to get price gouged. That is indeed around the 5k range.
post #40 of 158
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Originally Posted by jjackkrash View Post

I could see that system being worth $100,000k or more. .

The boards go for at least twice that, and they have two, one in the FOH, one for the monitors. The average pro touring speaker goes from $8k to $10k, so even a fairly modest rig runs at least $800k.
post #41 of 158
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

The boards go for at least twice that, and they have two, one in the FOH, one for the monitors. The average pro touring speaker goes from $8k to $10k, so even a fairly modest rig runs at least $800k.

"Modest" isn't a word I'd use to describe Pink Floyd's setup.
post #42 of 158
I am pretty sure you have to spend at least one million dollars on speakers before you can't get any better.....well maybe it was two million, I can't remember. All those people with 100k speakers are really missing out.
post #43 of 158
Just buy the most expensive speakers you can afford. They will sound at least as good as speakers costing twice as much. This has to be fact because all magazines say that the speakers they just reviewed sound as good as speakers costing two or more times their price.
post #44 of 158
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Speakers + room, this set-up blew me away, and the owner evolved his 2-channel listening room over many years.

For the life of me, why do so many only focus on the $$$'s of the speakers and not include the room interaction?

Wait, when you spend over $100k (or place your figure here) on speakers they magically don't need appropriate room treatments...




Some of you here may recognize the guy sitting in the MLP chair....

I occasionally see photos of rooms with ultra-expensive speakers and the room itself will be a horrible acoustic environment. Walls of windows, no treatment for the walls and corners, etc.
post #45 of 158
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Originally Posted by Randy Bessinger View Post

I am pretty sure you have to spend at least one million dollars on speakers before you can't get any better.....well maybe it was two million, I can't remember. All those people with 100k speakers are really missing out.

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Just buy the most expensive speakers you can afford. They will sound at least as good as speakers costing twice as much. This has to be fact because all magazines say that the speakers they just reviewed sound as good as speakers costing two or more times their price.

Haha!
post #46 of 158
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Just buy the most expensive speakers you can afford. They will sound at least as good as speakers costing twice as much. This has to be fact because all magazines say that the speakers they just reviewed sound as good as speakers costing two or more times their price.

What these wags don't consider, because they have no clue how recordings are made, is that the final mix is done on a combination of perhaps $5k Westlakes or Genelecs, and $199 Yamaha NS-10s. The good stuff for their own edification, the Yammies as they figure if they can make it sound good on those it will sound good on anything.
post #47 of 158
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Originally Posted by thelastjuju View Post

I don't think anybody said 5k speakers are as "good as it gets".

We're talking about practicality.. the point where your bang for your buck value starts to disappear and you start to get price gouged. That is indeed around the 5k range.

you are not being "gouged"...

"gouging" is misused in this context...
post #48 of 158
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Originally Posted by MUDCAT45 View Post

Just buy the most expensive speakers you can afford. They will sound at least as good as speakers costing twice as much. This has to be fact because all magazines say that the speakers they just reviewed sound as good as speakers costing two or more times their price.

But then when you get to the very end of the review, where they compare speaker A being reviewed with B, C, and D in the SAME price range, it'll be something along the line "A's high is more extended but B's high is smoother, A's low is lower but C's low is more defined, and D got the best dynamic blah blah". So yeah, speakers do sound as good as others at twice the price, but also sound about the same as those within same price range
post #49 of 158
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Originally Posted by thelastjuju View Post

I don't think anybody said 5k speakers are as "good as it gets".

We're talking about practicality.. the point where your bang for your buck value starts to disappear and you start to get price gouged. That is indeed around the 5k range.

Anyone could easily substitute 500 for 5000 and be as equally correct/incorrect as you are.
post #50 of 158
Well, it's like this. In the next few months I will be laying out about $3000 for 5.0 system to take me a few turns around the sun, and with your help I know it will be as good as any $100k system out there. At least I'll think so.

Life is short. Turn it up.
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post #52 of 158
Really, at that price level... I think it's for the ability to say and show off " I bought 100K speakers". Most here care more about the sound waves hitting their eardrums, and it's direct ability to produce a big fat smile. The size of the smile vs. the cost is up to each individual, and I won't argue with anyone's decision about what that makes them smile. If they want to spend their $ on silly esoteric quarduple-triple bi-bonded super extreme speaker dots and room attenuators and sonic refibulattors.... it's their $.
IF they have found their way here... and see any of these posts... most here could find MUCH better ways to produce a bigger smile for 100K.
post #53 of 158
What about those who say they're looking for a "good pair of speakers" or a good subwoofer for $200. IMHO there is no such thing but would never say so, being afraid to hurt their feelings. Perhaps their ears haven't been "trained."
post #54 of 158
There's just too much voodoo involved with high end audio to determine price brackets where the law of diminishing can be truly set. You could find a $5k speaker from one company with $2k worth of components, and another $5k speaker with $300 worth. It's just too easy for these speaker company's to polish everything up with a pretty cabinet and slick marketing. I think one of the biggest factors that allows this to happen besides foolish consumers is the entire audio review industry is completely corrupt, and the reviewers aren't qualified to do the job. I would personally like to see reviewers who are capable of measuring and designing speakers themselves, who can break down every aspect of the product, and not just talk about how many veils have been lifted off their old record.
post #55 of 158
Yes, building one's own speakers does give one some insight into speaker value. I don't care for just any cheap drivers, I prefer ScanSpeak which are some of the most expensive. There are manufactured speakers whose driver's, crossover's, and cabinets aren't worth 10% of what they sell them for. It's not difficult to build something with better components at a fraction of the cost. Of course some companies have custom drivers made specially for them but generally they aren't any better than the stock components. And besides that it's fun!
post #56 of 158
From a money stand point, any set of speakers is a huge rip-off. My problem with any speakers over 10k is they're not just a rip-off, they're an astronomical rip-off. A Speaker consists of a wooden cabinet, cone, magnet, voice coil, usually some kind of crossovers, etc... Unless the materials used to make these very few components came from Jupiter or Saturn and are some metal and material not found on earth, it's ridiculous to spend over a few thousand on a set of speakers. That's just my opinion though.

I've worked for several electronics retailers and speakers probably had the highest markup in the store, usually 70%-80%. We usually paid around $200 dollars for a tower speaker that we would sell for $999. I'll bet the markup is even worse on a 100k speaker. I'll bet a speaker that sells for 100k doesn't even cost $1000 dollars to manufacture. As someone mentioned, the inflated price is probably due to the fact that they sell very few of the highest end speaker. But, as someone else also mentioned, if people with that kind of money feel better for having invested 100k in a speaker, more power to them. At the end of the day, nobody is forced to buy any expensive item. I have to say though, even if I could afford it, I wouldn't spend that kind of money on a speaker.
post #57 of 158
I wouldn't say they have less than a $1,000 of components, but maybe $2,000. Of course speaker manufacturers pay less than retail for their components but how much less I do not know.
post #58 of 158
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Originally Posted by theresa View Post

what about those who say they're looking for a "good pair of speakers" or a good subwoofer for $200. Imho there is no such thing but would never say so, being afraid to hurt their feelings. Perhaps their ears haven't been "trained."

+1
post #59 of 158
Even being DIY, my speakers cost more than a $1,000. Being active the amplification added significantly to the cost. Like I said, about $2,000 a pair is my sweet spot.
post #60 of 158
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

What about those who say they're looking for a "good pair of speakers" or a good subwoofer for $200. IMHO there is no such thing but would never say so, being afraid to hurt their feelings. Perhaps their ears haven't been "trained."

You would never say so? Yet..you just said so.

You need to realize that "good" is a very relative term. Quality seems to be directly related to price in your eyes(or perhaps your "trained" ears).
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