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So after several weeks of using reading Assassin's beginner HTPC buying guide and Renethx's HTPC buying guide, wading through reviews and forums, and checking part cost and availability in Australia, I've finally reached my proposed HTPC specs.

One of the most frustrating things about the whole process is that a lot of the recommended parts simply aren't available in Australia, or have been discontinued. This hasn't helped the process.
This is my first HTPC, and my first PC build since 1997 so I'm a bit rusty on where technology sits at the moment. I must have changed my specs nearly 50 times with systems varying from $1000 to $2000. My initial aim was to complete the build for under $1000, but given the specs I want this changed to $1500 later.

My intent is to use this as my main HTPC in our lounge room and therefore have aimed to try and make it as silent as possible (within reason), selecting components to have noise levels lower than 20dB where possible, but up to 30dB as acceptable. Our existing HDTV only has an analogue tuner so it will be primarily used as a replacement for my existing digital set-top box/PVR, and will therefore be our main platform for watching and recording free-to-air TV. Its secondary functions will be to act as a Blu-ray player, watch TV catch-up services (ABC iView, Plus7, SBS, etc), watch downloaded media, act as a NAS for my network, and serve media to portable devices (iTunes, calibre, WMP, DVDs, Bluray). Ultimately it must be very wife friendly otherwise I'll never hear the end of it and it will defeat the purpose of building it. I will not be gaming with the machine as I intend to build a separate PC for that. I won't be using for music as we already use Sonos, but it will host the music library. I also intend to rip our current DVD (and future Bluray) collection to the drive. I will need to use the HTPC for this as our current PC is 6 years old and lacks the horsepower.

As a media server I will be connecting 2 laptop pcs, a barebones bedroom HTPC (future build), iPod touch and a tablet. At most I will be streaming to 2 of those concurrently at any time, and will only need to do real-time transcoding for the iPods and tablet. My ultimate intent is to build a separate NAS server to act as a DVR and media server in 6-12 months' time after we've done some renovations and I've have the room for a dedicated a/v cabinet.

I want this machine to last for at least 6 years with the ability to undertake upgrades of components such as CPU, GPU, etc to keep pace with changes in technology.

So now to the intended build.

Case - nMedia HTPC 7000B - US$65(case) + US$16(VFD) +US$125 for shipping = US$206 = A$190 (Gotta love the current exchange rate)

I want a microATX case that looks good, is quiet, less than 140mm tall, will accommodate a reasonably sized GPU (for future upgrades), has front USB, eSATA, VFD (I know a lot of people think this is useless, but I like it fo the looks) and preferably internal IR. It also had to accommodate a Blu-ray, 2.5 SSD and two 3.5 HDD (for running RAID0), as well as a big heat sink as I was planning to use an i5-2600K at the time. There was nothing available in Australia that met the height constraint with the options I wanted. I then found the nMedia HTPC 1000B which had good reviews and met most of my requirements (particularly the height and VFD). I liked the in-built multi-card reader and also the front connectivity. I struggled to find a vendor who would ship to Australia until I found this one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Brand-new...item2302e4e4fd

I was all set until I thought about having a front USB3 as well. I examined a number of options to convert the front USB ports on the 1000B to USB3, but there wasn't really much around that was suitable or didn't require me to put holes in the case. It was then that I noticed the newly released 7000B. While it lacked a front eSATA port and the multi-card reader, it had slightly more headroom and internal space, but most importantly a front USB3 and the ability to mount the IR receiver inside. I decided that in reality I would never use the multi-card reader as all the downloading from my digital camera will occur on my other PC. I wanted front eSATA so that I can plug my existing external HDD in and easily move it between computers. Then I figured I won't really be doing that a lot, and I've just bought a new 1.5TB portable HDD with USB3 anyway.

CPU - Intel i3-2100 - A$118

I started out with this CPU in mind and then changed to an i5-2600K as I tend to always overspec things (mine is bigger than yours type ego at times). I thought given that I'd be doing some transcoding and ripping it would be better to have a little more horse power. I also thought it would add to the longevity of the system. This of course meant that I needed a custom CPU fan rather than the stock fan to cool it, which meant I needed a case with more headroom (I've discussed the CPU fan below). After a week, I realised an i5 was probably more than I needed and that the i3 would serve me well and should be able to handle the transcoding and ripping in the interim until I build my media server and gaming PC.

I then deliberated between an i3-2100 and i3-2105 for the intel HD3000 as I was also not sure whether to go with a dedicated or integrated GPU. Unfortunately I couldn't find the i3-2105 in Brisbane. The cheapest I could find was A$162 delivered from Megabuy, $34 more than the 2100. In the end I settled on a dedicated GPU and chose the i3-2100.

CPU Fan - Stock

While I was considering the i5, the CPU fan proved quite troublesome to narrow down. Most of the recommended quiet models were not available in Australia, had been superseded with newer models which were rated worse than their predecessors, had conflicting reviews, were too tall to fit in the case, or would more than likely clash with the RAM on a microATX board. These included the Scythe Big Shuriken CPU Cooler V2 (original rated highly but V2 had poor reviews), Scythe Shuriken Low Profile Cooler Rev B (original rated highly but Rev B had poor reviews) and Cooler Master Vortex Plus Universal Cooler RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 (mixed reviews). In the end I narrowed it down to the Noctua NH-C12P SE14 CPU Cooler which had great reviews and most importantly would fit without clashing.

When I changed back to the i3, the reviews and guides all indicated that the stock fan was sufficiently quiet so I'm going to stick with that. If it doesn't work well I can always replace it with the Noctua later.

GPU - Gigabyte GV-N440D3-1 GT440 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR3 - A$75

The GPU proved the most difficult thing to decide on and the most frustrating. Every single GPU that is recommended by the various HTPC guides isn't available in Australia. The first decision was NVidia vs ATI which from reading through forums seems to be a religious war. In the end I settled on NVidia, primarily as I've had them in the laptops I've owned, have been quite happy with them, and there seemed to be more posts leaning in favour of NVidia.

I started out wanting a basic GPU and then couldn't find the recommended Sparkle NVidia GT440 1GB DDR5 in Australia, and all of the others I could find were reviewed as being quite loud. I could have imported one but the shipping costs made it comparable with one of the higher spec GPUs. So I went to a GTS450 and the same thing, and then finally found one in a GTX460. I then saw the GTX560Ti which was only another $50 and thought, why not its not that much more. Then most of the units available in Australia were all reviewed as being quite noisy, except for some of the MSI units, which were too big to fit inside my case. Finally I found the Gainward GTX560Ti phantoms, which had really good reviews, but were nearly $300. My ego kicked in and I thought, why not make this machine a beast, which then had a knock on effect and started pushing up the build price to $2000.
After some reflection and a quick reality check I decided to try harder to find a cheaper GPU. Re-examining the GT440, I came across the Gigabyte GV-N440D3-1 GT440 which was available at a relatively cheap price (compared to what I'd been previously looking at). It also has good reviews and forum comments for noise. Only downside is DDR3 rather than DDR5 onboard RAM, but from what I've been reading this doesn't seem to be too critical for HTPC use.

Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3 - $165

As I want the ability to upgrade the CPU in the future to extend the life of the system, I decided to go with the Z68 chipset as it the latest chipsets and supports the next generation of intel i-core ivy bridge processors and 1600MHz DDR3 RAM. As I was running an NVidia GPU I also wanted them to be SLI compatible in case I ever needed to add some serious GPU horsepower in the future. Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock motherboards all seemed to come highly recommended. Out of the three manufacturers, the only one available with both rear USB3 ports and an internal USB3 header for the front case ports, and SLI compatibility was the Gigabyte GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3.

RAM - G Skill 8G(2x4G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 RL 9-9-9-24(CL9D-8GBRL) - $59

DDR3 memory was recommended in everything I read. I would have gotten away with 1333MHz as that is the maximum the CPU supports, however the cost to go to 1600MHz was only $5 more. As a minimum, I wanted 4GB and the price difference for 8GB was marginal and given I was intending to -run a few servers on the HTPC I thought it was better off to go with 8GB. The G.Skill Ripjaws X hadve good reviews and are also compatible with the Gigabyte Z68MX motherboard.

SSD - Crucial RealSSD C400 64G SATA3 M4 Series - $109

Again there are mixed recommendations around whether to go with an SSD for a HTPC. Some say it's not worth it as most of the time the HTPC is left on, while others say that they wouldn't live without it. I decided that to be wife friendly it needed to be quick and an SSD would be best. It also had the advantage of lower noise, heat and power. 60GB seemed to be the right balance for size. 30GB is barely enough for Windows 7, and 120GB was just getting too expensive.

The OCZ Vertex 3, OCZ Agility 3, Corsair 3, Corsair GT and Crucial M4 series drives were the only one available locally in the sub $150 price range. Both the OCZ Agility 3 and Corsair 3 were slower than the OCZ Vertex 3, Crucial M4 and Corsair GT, with a price difference of only $20, so it was really a no brainer to go for the faster models. That now left the choice of which one.
After hunting through various reviews and forums, the OCZ and Corsair seem to have faster transfer speeds specified, but the Crucial seemed to have faster real world speeds, and the Crucial was recommended more by most posts. Also, there seemed to be a lot of conjecture about whether some BDOS issues with the SandForce chipsets used by OCZ and Corsair had been resolved. Both Assassin's and Renethx's guides recommended the Coarsair, and it was also cheaper as well so I selected it in the end.

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 64MB SATA 3 WD2000EARX - $138

Having made the decision to use an SSD, I needed a HDD to store my media on as it simply wasn't feasible to purchase an SSD of the necessary size. As my intent was to build a separate NAS media server in the future I wanted to use the same drives that I intended to put in it so that I could simply pull the existing one out of my HTPC to put in the NAS and save some money in the future. 3TB drives were far too expensive and for a NAS, 2TB drives were really the way to go. As the HTPC was to be my interim media server and I was going to start ripping DVDs and Blu-Ray, I needed at least 2TB.
The Samsung Spinpoint F3 recommended in both Assassin's and Renethx's guides was not available in 2TB locally. I've always liked Seagate and have owned a number of their drives which always performed well. I wanted SATA3 6GB/s compatibility so I went straight for the top, and started off looking at the Barracuda XT's as I liked the speed and performance, but they were a little too pricy. I then went to the Barracuda ST2000DM001 and ST2000DL003, which are 7200 rpm and 5400rpm respectively. While I liked the higher speed the ST2000DM003, most comparisons with the slower DL003 indicated the real world difference was marginal, and the DL003 had lower power consumption and noise. Since the HTPC was likely to be running 24/7 I decided to be green and go for the slightly slower drive. However, I also found out that Seagate intends to stop making their line of green drives, which meant I could have mismatched drives when building my NAS server, which could cause some problems for setting up RAID. So I started looking elsewhere and the WD Caviar Green drives are highly recommended as well. These drives have good acoustic ratings and also some of the lowest energy consumption figures. The difference between the 6GB/s WD20EARX and 3GB/s WD20EARS was only $16 so I decided to go with the faster interface of the WD20EARX.

I did consider buying two drives to run in RAID0 for additional speed, but then changed my mind and now will only go with a single drive. If the performance of the single drive proves to be a problem, I can always buy a second drive later on and switch them over to RAID0. The nMedia HTPC 7000B case has sufficient room for this.

Blu-Ray - Liteon IHBS212 12x Black BlueRay SATA LightScribe - $88
Out of the recommended Blu-Ray drives, none were available locally. The Liteon IHBS212 was the closest to the IHBS112 recommended in Assassin's guide, and I assume is the same as the 112, except it is a retail rather than OEM model. It was only $10 more than the Liteon IHES212, which is not a Blu-Ray writer.

PSU - SeaSonic M12II Bronze 520W - $108

The SeaSonic range of PSUs seem to be highly recommended, and the reviews of the M12II Bronze 520W praise it's performance and efficiency. According to most reviews noise doesn't seem to be an issue if the demand is kept below 300W, and it is still very efficient when running at 20% load. I like the idea of the modular system to keep the case internals neat. The S12IIwasn't available locally but I could have ordered it online from interstate, but the shipping put it at the same price as the M12II. I did consider the SeaSonic X-560 80Plus Gold Modular PSU, as it is a little quieter than the M12II, but there was quite a lot of good feedback on the M12II posted on various sites and it is much cheaper. The SeaSonic X-Series Fanless 460W 80Plus Gold PSU would be great but it is quite pricey and I don't think my build warrants it.

TV Tuner - DigitalNow Quad DVB-T Receiver - $199
I wanted to have 4 tuners as on Monday nights there are 3 shows spread across 3 separate channels that we like to watch at the same time. Occasionally something else also pops up and we need to decide which show gets dropped. Four tuners will solve this. My preference is to have everything on a single PCI-e card with one antenna connection to allow room for additional PCI cards in the future. The DigitalNow has reasonably good reports on the forums and is compatible with Australian HDTV signals. It also comes with an MCE compatible IR remote and receiver. I don't have cable and have no intention of getting it, so there is no need for a cable tuner.

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - $93

I had a look around at the various media centre OS builds around. XBMC and WMC seem to be the two most recommended systems. I'm comfortable with Windows 7 and my partner knows how to navigate around it, so if things go wrong she should be able to at least muddle her way through or make it easier for me to talk her through something over the phone. XBMC is linux based, which while I'm familiar with the basics, I would need to delve more deeply into it. Windows 7 also has a lot more other software available, better compatibility with my desired TV tuner, and will work with my other Windows 7 PCs without too much tinkering. WMC is also generally recommended more than XBMC. As I am getting 8GB of RAM, 64-bit is required.

Keyboard - Enermax Wireless Aluminum Keyboard with laser Trackball Black (En-KB008W-Black) - $89

I want a keyboard with an integrated trackball as it will be easier than using a separate wireless mouse. I will use the remote supplied with the TV tuner for most things. I was after a bigger keyboard rather than something like the Logitech diNovo Mini. The two integrated wireless keyboards available locally to choose from are the Enermax and Shintaro wireless keyboards with integrated track wheels, and the Shintaro wireless media centre keyboard. The Enermax had better reviews and comments than the Shintaro. The Shintaro also had a few negative comments about its track wheel. The Shintaro wireless media centre keyboard had a lot of poor comments.

Remote - $0

As a remote comes with the TV tuner I'll give that a try and look at something else later if it doesn't work. I may also look at one of the MCE remote apps for an iPod touch, however I prefer buttons to touch screens.

Final anticipated build cost - $1468

Well I've come in under my revised budget and am reasonably comfortable with what I've selected. If I were to choose different components and drop the SSD I could easily get an i5 build for the same price. However in doing so I think I would sacrifice some future expansion capability. An extra $50 here and there does add up quite quickly.

I'm going to reflect over my components for a week before ordering to make sure I'm happy. I'd appreciate any feedback or comments that anyone might have on my choices.
post #2 of 61
Looks good. You should be happy.
post #3 of 61
I am not a gigabyte guy- but you intelligently explained your choice for that.

My asus has USB3.0 on back of board and internal headers for front case btw...
post #4 of 61
Solid build. I went with the Crucial m4 myself. OSZ may be faster, but stability is more important when I have a whole family that is going to use the thing and especially a wife.

My MSI Z68A GD-45 (G3) has given me a few issues already. It wouldn't boot off a 3tb drive using UEFI/GUID but had no problem in UEFI/MBR. Then the sound crapped the bed the yesterday so I had to uninstall my drivers, and can't reinstall them if I want sound.
post #5 of 61
A discrete GPU is a good choice for the i3-2100 if you're watching a lot of interlaced/standard definition programming. I've found the integrated GPU (or perhaps the driver software) doesn't do a good job on interlaced TV. Of course, I am just a sample of one and others may not have the same experience but that's what I experienced.

As for brand choice, I've always used either ASUS or Gigabyte and have never had problems with either so I feel they are very good choices. One thing about ASUS vs. Gigabyte is I've noticed with the ASUS boards I've bought, in any sleep mode, the power light blinks. There is no BIOS option to turn that off. With Gigabyte it blinks in S1 but turns off completely in S3. I am not sure if that true of their entire line but so far it's been the case for the various boards from each brand that I have used. That makes a big difference for a bedroom HTPC -- and maybe a living room HTPC if that kind of thing bothers you.

The nMediaPC LCD module that fits in the nMediaPC cases is complete and utter junk.
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Originally Posted by Mfusick View Post

I am not a gigabyte guy- but you intelligently explained your choice for that.

My asus has USB3.0 on back of board and internal headers for front case btw...

Which board is it?
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A discrete GPU is a good choice for the i3-2100 if you're watching a lot of interlaced/standard definition programming. I've found the integrated GPU (or perhaps the driver software) doesn't do a good job on interlaced TV. Of course, I am just a sample of one and others may not have the same experience but that's what I experienced.

I will use the HTPC primarily for watching standard definition interlaced TV broadcasts so having a GPU that does a good job is important in my build.

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As for brand choice, I've always used either ASUS or Gigabyte and have never had problems with either so I feel they are very good choices. One thing about ASUS vs. Gigabyte is I've noticed with the ASUS boards I've bought, in any sleep mode, the power light blinks. There is no BIOS option to turn that off. With Gigabyte it blinks in S1 but turns off completely in S3. I am not sure if that true of their entire line but so far it's been the case for the various boards from each brand that I have used. That makes a big difference for a bedroom HTPC -- and maybe a living room HTPC if that kind of thing bothers you.

Interesting comment about the blinking light. That would really annoy me. The reason I went for Gigabyte over ASUS was the board has the features I want.

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The nMediaPC LCD module that fits in the nMediaPC cases is complete and utter junk.

That's the feedback I've had elsewhere. I really want a VFD to show the current TV channel. The only other case I could find that was reasonably price and fits my dimension constraints was the Antec Fusion Remote. Most reviews indicate its LCD is quite poor as well. I don't think it has front USB3 either. I could buy a 5.25 module with LCD and USB, but the I lose the space for a Blu-Ray drive.If WMC shows sufficient info on screen then I probably won't need it. I think an LCD will look good from a bling point of view though.
post #8 of 61
You know you don't have to even connect the LED lights to the header if you don't want to.
post #9 of 61
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Originally Posted by ComptonHPD View Post

Solid build. I went with the Crucial m4 myself. OSZ may be faster, but stability is more important when I have a whole family that is going to use the thing and especially a wife.

That seems to be the common conclusion of most threads I've read on the subject of Crucial M4 vs OSZ. Stability is important as you've outlined.
post #10 of 61
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You know you don't have to even connect the LED lights to the header if you don't want to.

With the nMedia HTPC 7000B I don't even need to buy the LCD module if I don't want it. I'm undecided at the moment, and am leaning towards just giving it a try as it isn't that much.

I don't know if there is any other LCD/VFD that is better which would mount in the nMedia case neatly.
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

With the nMedia HTPC 7000B I don't even need to buy the LCD module if I don't want it. I'm undecided at the moment, and am leaning towards just giving it a try as it isn't that much.

I don't know if there is any other LCD/VFD that is better which would mount in the nMedia case neatly.

I am talking about the HDD activity light (the one that flashes). If you don't like it then just don't hook it up. Many cases don't even have one.
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I am talking about the HDD activity light (the one that flashes). If you don't like it then just don't hook it up. Many cases don't even have one.

That's probably what I'll end up doing.
post #13 of 61
The HDD activity light on the 1000b is pretty subtle -- it's red and not bright. I would guess the 7000b is the same? The power light is a blue ring which adds some bling IMHO. If you have your Gigabyte board sleep in S3 it won't blink so you should be all set.

I wanted the LCD module to show the time, like my cable box did. It can't even do that well. You can't see it from 3' away let alone from the couch. However, you can hit the info button on the WMC remote and it'll show you the time. I'd say for indicating the channel it's really not much use either. Just hit 'info'.
post #14 of 61
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Starting to ponder whether I should change to an i3-2105 processor and drop the discrete GPU. This will save approximately A$50 on the build and also reduce the power consumption of the HTPC during operation. I can always add a discrete GPU later if I require it.

I don't need hd audio bitstreaming as my current a/v receiver can't process it anyway. My current screen is an old Panasonic TH-50PV60A from 2006 which I don't think will accept 23.976Hz playback. This just leaves de-interlacing performance for TV broadcasts, which will be the HTPC's primary function. Is this really an issue or does the i3-2105 process it ok?
post #15 of 61
Yes. Try it first and add a discrete if you need/want to later. Very little downside with this approach.
post #16 of 61
i3 2105 is more than enough to play back video in HTPC use. Actually the lower CPU is also more than enough... if you wanted to save further.
post #17 of 61
Thread Starter 
Thank you both for your prompt responses, it confirms what I've been thinking.

I guess I could probably drop down to a SeaSonic S12II 430W 80+ PSU to saving another $29 given my reduced power load. I'd originally sized the PSU to have sufficient future capacity to run a bigger discrete GPU, 2 HDD and an i5-2600 if I decided to upgrade. Realistically I would think the 430W would run a smaller GPU, if I need to add one, another HDD if I don't end up going the dedicated media server router, and a faster CPU if I need to strip out and replace the guts in 6 years time.
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Originally Posted by kesawi View Post

So after several weeks of using reading Assassin's beginner HTPC buying guide and Renethx's HTPC buying guide, wading through reviews and forums, and checking part cost and availability in Australia, I've finally reached my proposed HTPC specs.

One of the most frustrating things about the whole process is that a lot of the recommended parts simply aren't available in Australia, or have been discontinued. This hasn't helped the process.
This is my first HTPC, and my first PC build since 1997 so I'm a bit rusty on where technology sits at the moment. I must have changed my specs nearly 50 times with systems varying from $1000 to $2000. My initial aim was to complete the build for under $1000, but given the specs I want this changed to $1500 later.

My intent is to use this as my main HTPC in our lounge room and therefore have aimed to try and make it as silent as possible (within reason), selecting components to have noise levels lower than 20dB where possible, but up to 30dB as acceptable. Our existing HDTV only has an analogue tuner so it will be primarily used as a replacement for my existing digital set-top box/PVR, and will therefore be our main platform for watching and recording free-to-air TV. Its secondary functions will be to act as a Blu-ray player, watch TV catch-up services (ABC iView, Plus7, SBS, etc), watch downloaded media, act as a NAS for my network, and serve media to portable devices (iTunes, calibre, WMP, DVDs, Bluray). Ultimately it must be very wife friendly otherwise I'll never hear the end of it and it will defeat the purpose of building it. I will not be gaming with the machine as I intend to build a separate PC for that. I won't be using for music as we already use Sonos, but it will host the music library. I also intend to rip our current DVD (and future Bluray) collection to the drive. I will need to use the HTPC for this as our current PC is 6 years old and lacks the horsepower.

As a media server I will be connecting 2 laptop pcs, a barebones bedroom HTPC (future build), iPod touch and a tablet. At most I will be streaming to 2 of those concurrently at any time, and will only need to do real-time transcoding for the iPods and tablet. My ultimate intent is to build a separate NAS server to act as a DVR and media server in 6-12 months' time after we've done some renovations and I've have the room for a dedicated a/v cabinet.

I want this machine to last for at least 6 years with the ability to undertake upgrades of components such as CPU, GPU, etc to keep pace with changes in technology.

So now to the intended build.

Case - nMedia HTPC 7000B - US$65(case) + US$16(VFD) +US$125 for shipping = US$206 = A$190 (Gotta love the current exchange rate)

I want a microATX case that looks good, is quiet, less than 140mm tall, will accommodate a reasonably sized GPU (for future upgrades), has front USB, eSATA, VFD (I know a lot of people think this is useless, but I like it fo the looks) and preferably internal IR. It also had to accommodate a Blu-ray, 2.5 SSD and two 3.5 HDD (for running RAID0), as well as a big heat sink as I was planning to use an i5-2600K at the time. There was nothing available in Australia that met the height constraint with the options I wanted. I then found the nMedia HTPC 1000B which had good reviews and met most of my requirements (particularly the height and VFD). I liked the in-built multi-card reader and also the front connectivity. I struggled to find a vendor who would ship to Australia until I found this one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Brand-new...item2302e4e4fd

I was all set until I thought about having a front USB3 as well. I examined a number of options to convert the front USB ports on the 1000B to USB3, but there wasn't really much around that was suitable or didn't require me to put holes in the case. It was then that I noticed the newly released 7000B. While it lacked a front eSATA port and the multi-card reader, it had slightly more headroom and internal space, but most importantly a front USB3 and the ability to mount the IR receiver inside. I decided that in reality I would never use the multi-card reader as all the downloading from my digital camera will occur on my other PC. I wanted front eSATA so that I can plug my existing external HDD in and easily move it between computers. Then I figured I won't really be doing that a lot, and I've just bought a new 1.5TB portable HDD with USB3 anyway.

CPU - Intel i3-2100 - A$118

I started out with this CPU in mind and then changed to an i5-2600K as I tend to always overspec things (mine is bigger than yours type ego at times). I thought given that I'd be doing some transcoding and ripping it would be better to have a little more horse power. I also thought it would add to the longevity of the system. This of course meant that I needed a custom CPU fan rather than the stock fan to cool it, which meant I needed a case with more headroom (I've discussed the CPU fan below). After a week, I realised an i5 was probably more than I needed and that the i3 would serve me well and should be able to handle the transcoding and ripping in the interim until I build my media server and gaming PC.

I then deliberated between an i3-2100 and i3-2105 for the intel HD3000 as I was also not sure whether to go with a dedicated or integrated GPU. Unfortunately I couldn't find the i3-2105 in Brisbane. The cheapest I could find was A$162 delivered from Megabuy, $34 more than the 2100. In the end I settled on a dedicated GPU and chose the i3-2100.

CPU Fan - Stock

While I was considering the i5, the CPU fan proved quite troublesome to narrow down. Most of the recommended quiet models were not available in Australia, had been superseded with newer models which were rated worse than their predecessors, had conflicting reviews, were too tall to fit in the case, or would more than likely clash with the RAM on a microATX board. These included the Scythe Big Shuriken CPU Cooler V2 (original rated highly but V2 had poor reviews), Scythe Shuriken Low Profile Cooler Rev B (original rated highly but Rev B had poor reviews) and Cooler Master Vortex Plus Universal Cooler RR-VTPS-28PK-R1 (mixed reviews). In the end I narrowed it down to the Noctua NH-C12P SE14 CPU Cooler which had great reviews and most importantly would fit without clashing.

When I changed back to the i3, the reviews and guides all indicated that the stock fan was sufficiently quiet so I'm going to stick with that. If it doesn't work well I can always replace it with the Noctua later.

GPU - Gigabyte GV-N440D3-1 GT440 PCI-E 2.0 1GB DDR3 - A$75

The GPU proved the most difficult thing to decide on and the most frustrating. Every single GPU that is recommended by the various HTPC guides isn't available in Australia. The first decision was NVidia vs ATI which from reading through forums seems to be a religious war. In the end I settled on NVidia, primarily as I've had them in the laptops I've owned, have been quite happy with them, and there seemed to be more posts leaning in favour of NVidia.

I started out wanting a basic GPU and then couldn't find the recommended Sparkle NVidia GT440 1GB DDR5 in Australia, and all of the others I could find were reviewed as being quite loud. I could have imported one but the shipping costs made it comparable with one of the higher spec GPUs. So I went to a GTS450 and the same thing, and then finally found one in a GTX460. I then saw the GTX560Ti which was only another $50 and thought, why not its not that much more. Then most of the units available in Australia were all reviewed as being quite noisy, except for some of the MSI units, which were too big to fit inside my case. Finally I found the Gainward GTX560Ti phantoms, which had really good reviews, but were nearly $300. My ego kicked in and I thought, why not make this machine a beast, which then had a knock on effect and started pushing up the build price to $2000.
After some reflection and a quick reality check I decided to try harder to find a cheaper GPU. Re-examining the GT440, I came across the Gigabyte GV-N440D3-1 GT440 which was available at a relatively cheap price (compared to what I'd been previously looking at). It also has good reviews and forum comments for noise. Only downside is DDR3 rather than DDR5 onboard RAM, but from what I've been reading this doesn't seem to be too critical for HTPC use.

Motherboard - Gigabyte GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3 - $165

As I want the ability to upgrade the CPU in the future to extend the life of the system, I decided to go with the Z68 chipset as it the latest chipsets and supports the next generation of intel i-core ivy bridge processors and 1600MHz DDR3 RAM. As I was running an NVidia GPU I also wanted them to be SLI compatible in case I ever needed to add some serious GPU horsepower in the future. Asus, Gigabyte and Asrock motherboards all seemed to come highly recommended. Out of the three manufacturers, the only one available with both rear USB3 ports and an internal USB3 header for the front case ports, and SLI compatibility was the Gigabyte GA-Z68MX-UD2H-B3.

RAM - G Skill 8G(2x4G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 RL 9-9-9-24(CL9D-8GBRL) - $59

DDR3 memory was recommended in everything I read. I would have gotten away with 1333MHz as that is the maximum the CPU supports, however the cost to go to 1600MHz was only $5 more. As a minimum, I wanted 4GB and the price difference for 8GB was marginal and given I was intending to -run a few servers on the HTPC I thought it was better off to go with 8GB. The G.Skill Ripjaws X hadve good reviews and are also compatible with the Gigabyte Z68MX motherboard.

SSD - Crucial RealSSD C400 64G SATA3 M4 Series - $109

Again there are mixed recommendations around whether to go with an SSD for a HTPC. Some say it's not worth it as most of the time the HTPC is left on, while others say that they wouldn't live without it. I decided that to be wife friendly it needed to be quick and an SSD would be best. It also had the advantage of lower noise, heat and power. 60GB seemed to be the right balance for size. 30GB is barely enough for Windows 7, and 120GB was just getting too expensive.

The OCZ Vertex 3, OCZ Agility 3, Corsair 3, Corsair GT and Crucial M4 series drives were the only one available locally in the sub $150 price range. Both the OCZ Agility 3 and Corsair 3 were slower than the OCZ Vertex 3, Crucial M4 and Corsair GT, with a price difference of only $20, so it was really a no brainer to go for the faster models. That now left the choice of which one.
After hunting through various reviews and forums, the OCZ and Corsair seem to have faster transfer speeds specified, but the Crucial seemed to have faster real world speeds, and the Crucial was recommended more by most posts. Also, there seemed to be a lot of conjecture about whether some BDOS issues with the SandForce chipsets used by OCZ and Corsair had been resolved. Both Assassin's and Renethx's guides recommended the Coarsair, and it was also cheaper as well so I selected it in the end.

HDD - Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB 64MB SATA 3 WD2000EARX - $138

Having made the decision to use an SSD, I needed a HDD to store my media on as it simply wasn't feasible to purchase an SSD of the necessary size. As my intent was to build a separate NAS media server in the future I wanted to use the same drives that I intended to put in it so that I could simply pull the existing one out of my HTPC to put in the NAS and save some money in the future. 3TB drives were far too expensive and for a NAS, 2TB drives were really the way to go. As the HTPC was to be my interim media server and I was going to start ripping DVDs and Blu-Ray, I needed at least 2TB.
The Samsung Spinpoint F3 recommended in both Assassin's and Renethx's guides was not available in 2TB locally. I've always liked Seagate and have owned a number of their drives which always performed well. I wanted SATA3 6GB/s compatibility so I went straight for the top, and started off looking at the Barracuda XT's as I liked the speed and performance, but they were a little too pricy. I then went to the Barracuda ST2000DM001 and ST2000DL003, which are 7200 rpm and 5400rpm respectively. While I liked the higher speed the ST2000DM003, most comparisons with the slower DL003 indicated the real world difference was marginal, and the DL003 had lower power consumption and noise. Since the HTPC was likely to be running 24/7 I decided to be green and go for the slightly slower drive. However, I also found out that Seagate intends to stop making their line of green drives, which meant I could have mismatched drives when building my NAS server, which could cause some problems for setting up RAID. So I started looking elsewhere and the WD Caviar Green drives are highly recommended as well. These drives have good acoustic ratings and also some of the lowest energy consumption figures. The difference between the 6GB/s WD20EARX and 3GB/s WD20EARS was only $16 so I decided to go with the faster interface of the WD20EARX.

I did consider buying two drives to run in RAID0 for additional speed, but then changed my mind and now will only go with a single drive. If the performance of the single drive proves to be a problem, I can always buy a second drive later on and switch them over to RAID0. The nMedia HTPC 7000B case has sufficient room for this.

Blu-Ray - Liteon IHBS212 12x Black BlueRay SATA LightScribe - $88
Out of the recommended Blu-Ray drives, none were available locally. The Liteon IHBS212 was the closest to the IHBS112 recommended in Assassin's guide, and I assume is the same as the 112, except it is a retail rather than OEM model. It was only $10 more than the Liteon IHES212, which is not a Blu-Ray writer.

PSU - SeaSonic M12II Bronze 520W - $108

The SeaSonic range of PSUs seem to be highly recommended, and the reviews of the M12II Bronze 520W praise it's performance and efficiency. According to most reviews noise doesn't seem to be an issue if the demand is kept below 300W, and it is still very efficient when running at 20% load. I like the idea of the modular system to keep the case internals neat. The S12IIwasn't available locally but I could have ordered it online from interstate, but the shipping put it at the same price as the M12II. I did consider the SeaSonic X-560 80Plus Gold Modular PSU, as it is a little quieter than the M12II, but there was quite a lot of good feedback on the M12II posted on various sites and it is much cheaper. The SeaSonic X-Series Fanless 460W 80Plus Gold PSU would be great but it is quite pricey and I don't think my build warrants it.

TV Tuner - DigitalNow Quad DVB-T Receiver - $199
I wanted to have 4 tuners as on Monday nights there are 3 shows spread across 3 separate channels that we like to watch at the same time. Occasionally something else also pops up and we need to decide which show gets dropped. Four tuners will solve this. My preference is to have everything on a single PCI-e card with one antenna connection to allow room for additional PCI cards in the future. The DigitalNow has reasonably good reports on the forums and is compatible with Australian HDTV signals. It also comes with an MCE compatible IR remote and receiver. I don't have cable and have no intention of getting it, so there is no need for a cable tuner.

OS - Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM - $93

I had a look around at the various media centre OS builds around. XBMC and WMC seem to be the two most recommended systems. I'm comfortable with Windows 7 and my partner knows how to navigate around it, so if things go wrong she should be able to at least muddle her way through or make it easier for me to talk her through something over the phone. XBMC is linux based, which while I'm familiar with the basics, I would need to delve more deeply into it. Windows 7 also has a lot more other software available, better compatibility with my desired TV tuner, and will work with my other Windows 7 PCs without too much tinkering. WMC is also generally recommended more than XBMC. As I am getting 8GB of RAM, 64-bit is required.

Keyboard - Enermax Wireless Aluminum Keyboard with laser Trackball Black (En-KB008W-Black) - $89

I want a keyboard with an integrated trackball as it will be easier than using a separate wireless mouse. I will use the remote supplied with the TV tuner for most things. I was after a bigger keyboard rather than something like the Logitech diNovo Mini. The two integrated wireless keyboards available locally to choose from are the Enermax and Shintaro wireless keyboards with integrated track wheels, and the Shintaro wireless media centre keyboard. The Enermax had better reviews and comments than the Shintaro. The Shintaro also had a few negative comments about its track wheel. The Shintaro wireless media centre keyboard had a lot of poor comments.

Remote - $0

As a remote comes with the TV tuner I'll give that a try and look at something else later if it doesn't work. I may also look at one of the MCE remote apps for an iPod touch, however I prefer buttons to touch screens.

Final anticipated build cost - $1468

Well I've come in under my revised budget and am reasonably comfortable with what I've selected. If I were to choose different components and drop the SSD I could easily get an i5 build for the same price. However in doing so I think I would sacrifice some future expansion capability. An extra $50 here and there does add up quite quickly.

I'm going to reflect over my components for a week before ordering to make sure I'm happy. I'd appreciate any feedback or comments that anyone might have on my choices.

I don't think you need to spend that much
post #19 of 61
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I don't think you need to spend that much

I'd like to cut down what I'm spending too, and I am probably overspecing things a little. The reason I posted my proposed specs was to get the benefit of other people's experience and knowledge. I am concerned, particularly when I see and i3 HTPC advertised for $795 compared to my build which is $1468 (There are of course some major differences between these two builds). Possible savings I can see:

Case
If I drop the VFD I save around $38, which is what I'll probably do anyway. I would like front USB3 as I don't want to reach around the back every time I need to plug in my external HDD for backup of critical data. I'm could also get away with a 150mm high case, but it will be very tight. From what I can find that is available, this limits me to either a Silverstone GD06 ($138) or nMedia HTPC 7000B ($152). The GD06 is an extremely tight fit, while the 7000B gives me some breathing room. The GD06 also appears to have some tight internal limitations, whereas the 7000B has a lot more room. I'd prefer not to have a flip down front, like on the GD06 as this could potentially be broken by the kids with some rough handling. I did allow $37 to add an extra 120mm case fan to the 7000B for additional cooling as there is a space for it. I'll monitor the HTPC once built and if is keeping cool then I won't need it.

CPU
The i3-2100 seems to be the most recommended CPU for a main HTPC build. I can't get it any cheaper than $118. I'd like to go for an i3-2105, but it is $40 more and from what has been said previously, it probably isn't required.

Motherboard
I've gone for a more expensive motherboard than what is recommended for most HTPC builds. From what I've read, H67 chipset is preferable to H61 for a main HTPC as I provides better support for the iGPU features, with Z68 providing longer term upgrade compatibility. P67 isn't necessary as I'm not overclocking the CPU. I could save $70 by selecting a H61 chipset, but I feel the Z68 has more longevity. I can't find a H67 motherboard available in Australia from a recommended supplier with an internal font USB3 header.

GPU
I'm going with the iGPU on the i3 now so this is a saving.

RAM
I could save $30 by going to G.Skill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1333Mhz PC10666 RL CL9(CL9D-4GBRL) or $27 for G.Skill 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 RL 9-9-9-24(CL9D-4GBRL) RAM. Upon reflection 4GB is probably sufficient for now. For the extra $3 I'll get the 1600mHz RAM.

SSD
This is a luxury item which I could completely remove from the build. I do intend to shift the storage drive to another box in the future so I will still need an OS drive. I could grab a Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200RPM SATAIII ST500DM002 for $79 and save $40. Alternatively I could just run the OS form my main storage drive and buy a SSD or another HDD later. Personally I prefer the dedicated OS drive to keep things separate and simple, and I also like the extra speed that the SSD provides.

HDD
I already have nearly 500GB of media and I want to start ripping my DVD collection plus record TV so this is only going to go up. 2TB is the minimum size I'll need and they're only $20 more than a 1TB anyway. There's not much difference in price between Seagate, Samsung, Hitachi and Western Digital and the WD20EARX drives have great power consumption and acoustic performance.

Blu-Ray
Only really $10 difference between available drives. Major saving would be ditching Blu-Ray and going to DVD but that removes one of the arguments I'm using with my partner to justify the spend on a HTPC rather than getting separate Blu-Ray and media players.

PSU
I can drop to a SeaSonic S12II 430W 80+ PSU ($80) and save $29 compared to the M12II 520W. The 380W version isn't available in Australia. The Antec ATX NEO 450C ECO is available for $59. I understand the Antec is made by SeaSonic anyway. I can't find too any conclusive reviews on the Antec but it seems to do quite well. I'd be interested to find out how anyone who has this unit has found it. The SeaSonic gets consistently good reviews.

TV Tuner
I could grab an Avermedia A188D TwinStar Dual Digital 3D TV Tuner Card for $89 but I really need 4 tuners as our existing PVR just isn't doing the job with 2. $178 vs $199 for the digital-now quad tuner. For the extra $21 I'll save an extra PCI-e slot and only need to worry about one antenna connection.

Keyboard
There are really only a couple of options available locally, particularly as I wanted an integrated mouse. No real savings are available.

Overall
Making these changes I can drop the build cost down to A$1265 (US$1366) keeping the SSD and SeaSonic PSU . I could probably drop it by another $100 if I remove my requirement for front USB3 ports, and get it below $A1000 if I ditch the SSD and run the OS off the 2TB HDD. This gets me closer to the system advertised for $795 but with more storage, Blu-Ray, Quad tuner and better components. At this stage I'm comfortable with keeping these. If there are any other areas where fat could be trimmed or if you think I've missed something with my logic I'd appreciate feedback. All the comments I've received so far have been extremely helpful and beneficial.
post #20 of 61
I'm from New Zealand and I share your pain about some components not being available.

I'd recommend starting with 2x2GB RAM as you can always add more later. I also doubt you will ever need more than 4GB.

Here is my recent build. Has been running for over a month now without any problems:

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100
Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-M PRO
RAM: Kingston HyperX, 2x2GB, DDR3-1600
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB Solid State Drive
PSU: Seasonic X-Series 400W (Fanless)
Case: Silverstone Grandia GD04
Optical Drive: LiteOn iHES212 Blu-Ray Drive
CPU Cooler: Scythe BIG Shuriken 2 (Rev.B)
Case Fans: 3 x Scythe Slip Stream Case Fan 120mm 800rpm
OS: Windows 7 64-Bit with Mediabrowser
Blu-Ray Software: TotalMedia Theatre 5

I'm running a NAS which is why I don't have any storage drives in this build and also didn't need a TV tuner card.

For a remote I'm using the Mediamote app on my iPhone. I also use NetAwake for Wake on LAN.
post #21 of 61
Maybe its just the cost of everything down there, it just seems high.
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Maybe its just the cost of everything down there, it just seems high.

I just priced the identical hardware on newegg (I'd love to have a similar store here) and it came to US$928.41 delivered in the USA, compared to US$1140 when buying the parts in Australia (excluding the TV tuner which isn't available in th US). Newegg doesn't ship to Australia and if I add freight forwarding costs it's virtually the same as buying it in Australia without any local support. There is no incentive for me to take on the risk and added hassle of importing everything.

Main price differences were PSU $60 vs $86, Crucial M4 $65 vs $148, nMedia HTPC 7000B $80 vs $165. Other than those everything else was pretty comparable. I've noticed when comparing the system build prices in the guides, with component prices here in Australia, that there is a 20-30% difference in the overall build cost.

As I said in my previous post, I know what the SSD and front USB3 is adding to the cost, but I don't think there is anything else to cut back, unless I'm just not seeing something.
post #23 of 61
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I'm from New Zealand and I share your pain about some components not being available.

I imagine it may be even worse for you there

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I'd recommend starting with 2x2GB RAM as you can always add more later. I also doubt you will ever need more than 4GB.

That's what I now intend to do.

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Here is my recent build. Has been running for over a month now without any problems:

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100
Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-M PRO
RAM: Kingston HyperX, 2x2GB, DDR3-1600
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB Solid State Drive
PSU: Seasonic X-Series 400W (Fanless)
Case: Silverstone Grandia GD04
Optical Drive: LiteOn iHES212 Blu-Ray Drive
CPU Cooler: Scythe BIG Shuriken 2 (Rev.B)
Case Fans: 3 x Scythe Slip Stream Case Fan 120mm 800rpm
OS: Windows 7 64-Bit with Mediabrowser
Blu-Ray Software: TotalMedia Theatre 5

A lot of the components are quite similar to my build. What did that end up costing if you don't mind me asking?

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I'm running a NAS which is why I don't have any storage drives in this build and also didn't need a TV tuner card.

A NAS is my next project in 6-12 months time. I'm already starting to encounter the difficulty of not being able to find the recommended parts.

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For a remote I'm using the Mediamote app on my iPhone. I also use NetAwake for Wake on LAN.

How do you find using the touch screen for a remote? I guess I'm used to the tactile feel of buttons. Does it get just as quick? I've been considering buying an 8GB iPod Touch to use as a dedicated remote, not only for the HTPC, but also for my sonos unit.
post #24 of 61
Here is the breakdown of the costs (In NZ dollars)...

CPU: Intel Core i3-2100 - $193
Motherboard: Asus P8Z68-M PRO - $216
RAM: Kingston HyperX, 2x2GB, DDR3-1600 - $59
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB Solid State Drive - $208
PSU: Seasonic X-Series 400W (Fanless) - $220
Case: Silverstone Grandia GD04 - $184
Optical Drive: LiteOn iHES212 Blu-Ray Drive - $130
CPU Cooler: Scythe BIG Shuriken 2 (Rev.B) - $83
Case Fans: 3 x Scythe Slip Stream Case Fan 120mm 800rpm - $54 ($18 each)
OS: Windows 7 64-Bit with Mediabrowser - $160
Blu-Ray Software: TotalMedia Theatre 5 (Am still running the trial version)

So that totals NZD$1507 which is about AUD$1171 / USD$1259.

I'd imagine that it would easily be under USD$1,000 if I lived in the States. Like Australia there are certain brands available in the US that we can't get here in NZ. I blew my budget by a couple of hundred dollars but I'm still really happy with the results.

As for using the iPhone for a remote, it takes a bit of getting used to but I really like it. It's the convenience factor more than anything as it's one less physical remote I have to have lying around. I think you will either love it or hate it, so it's probably best if you can borrow an iPhone/Ipod Touch and try it out first.
post #25 of 61
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Pretty similar costs to what I'm proposing. As you say it must just be that things are a little more expensive in our region.

My TV tuner comes with a remote anyway so I'm not having to pay anymore. I had intended to borrow an iPod and have a play with some remote apps.
post #26 of 61
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Anyone know of any issues ripping with a Liteon IHBS212 Blu-Ray drive?
post #27 of 61
I've just been through this process. My version is 'cheaper' than what you're aiming for, but may give you another option. Prices are AUD. I used PCCG for most of my parts (I'm in Melbourne).

Case
Aywun cubish case. Cheap, two front usb, full sized optical and PCI. Comes with a PSU which I removed. $49.

CPU
i3-2100. I don't think you need more, unless you want to game or 4k $125.

Motherboard
I went H61, as the only real difference was loss of raid and Sata6. Asrock H61M-ITX. It has no internal USB3 header. However, with onboard gigabit, I'm not sure how much extra speed a USB3 header will give. This board will also support Ivy Bridge, but realistically, if I need to upgrade, it'll be cheaper to get another cheap motherboard at the next generation. $80

GPU
onboard

RAM
I have 8GB due to a stuff up. Not needed. 4GB is plenty. I have cheap slow stuff. I'm not going to overclock, so cheap stuff is fine.

SSD
Don't skimp on this, get one. 60GB sata6 version should be about $110. This will be plenty for the OS and programs. Booting is faaaaaaaast. Well worth it (buy cheap generic 4 gB ram for $30 and put money into this).

HDD
2 TB minimum. I bought an external from officeworks for $95. It's a WD20EARX and it works.

Blu-Ray
This is on my to get list.

PSU
I'm running my rig off a Pico 80W with an ebay special ($10) 72W 12V DC supply. I was fully expecting the 12V DC supply to give me issues, but I've ripped a DVD to mkv. The HTPC was running for an hour at full load and no issues. Now some power info:
idle no programs: 17W
idle with WMC: 24W
peak max I've seen: 60W ish
standby: 3W
off (WOL enabled): 2.5W
12VDC supply with nothing connected: 1.5W
I don't know how much an optical drive will use, but my system is fan free and total cost less than $50.

TV Tuner
I just had a play tv from the PS3.

Keyboard
I'd ditch this or buy one of those silicon fold up things of ebay. Cheap, can be tucked away until you need it. If you set things up properly, you shouldn't need a keyboard.
post #28 of 61
Good to see there is actualy some other aussies on here! Sometimes it doesnt seem like there's many of us.

Just to throw my experience into the mix, I jumped into this about 12 months ago, after researching pretty thoroughly and getting both Assasins & Renethx's paid guides. Whilst both arnt really necessary (particualy with the end solution and software selections i made), for the token amount they are more than worthwhile and give you LOTS of background and fantatsic general info.

Im in Melbourne also, and bought mostly from CPL.

I went with:

CPU - Intel i3 540 @ $119
MB - ASUS P7P55 @ $113
Ram - GSkill 4GB @ $59
HDD - Samsung 2TB @ $105
PS - Antec Earthwatts 430 @ $69
ODD - Samsung Blu Ray Combo @ $69
Tuner - Winfast 2000DS @ $56

The case I ended up getting from a random ebay merchant; I have no idea what brand it is (was marketed as a KD5 - E51.....) but with the options available over here I was really happy with it - it has more of the AV look to it that i was after, it also came with a built in IR receiver and basic remote (I just tried to find a link to the case but it has dissapeared off the face of the earth)

Case - Generic @ $80

Software wise I got a genuine version of Win 7 premium via a uni student mate for $70, and also bought a genuine version of Total Media Theatre 5 (waited until there was a good discount code) for $65

Total complete cost came to $805.

I went with Mediaportal for a front end which I think is seriously under rated and under used; works flawlessly as a PVR using the 2 channel winfast tuner card for all our FTA channels, and the mediaportal TV interface looks really nice - high WAF!

I've spent the last 12 months generally tinkering un-necessarily with things and trying to iron out that final 5% to get it perfect....which will never happen.

Currently looking into a universal remote solution to really improve the overall experience.

Honestly with the way I use things I havent noticed anything that would warrant change.
-I keep thinking of upgrading to an SSD, but really cant justify it; it works close enough to a "consumer device" at the moment to keep the wife happy, wake up from S3 sleep is plenty quick enough.
-power supply and stock fans (CPU & case) are quiet enough for everyday use; if you have an extended period of silence you can maybe just hear some fan noise from about 2m away on the couch, but really........
-never had an issue with video ouput using the intel iGPU
-bitstreaming and HD audio are perfect.

Anyways, just my 2 cents worth to help you frame your own situation and decisions!

Have fun!

Cheers

Barry
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I've just been through this process. My version is 'cheaper' than what you're aiming for, but may give you another option. Prices are AUD. I used PCCG for most of my parts (I'm in Melbourne).

I did have a look at the mini-ITX route but found it wasn't significantly cheaper.

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Case
Aywun cubish case. Cheap, two front usb, full sized optical and PCI. Comes with a PSU which I removed. $49.

Looks like a good case. Unfortunately I can't find one in Brisbane so will be $65.

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CPU
i3-2100. I don't think you need more, unless you want to game or 4k $125.

Can pick one up for $118 here. After all the above feedback and further investigations I agree the i3-2100 is sufficient. If I keep the stock PSU I may need to go for an i3-2100T to fit or one of the low profile coolers. I'm probably better off putting the extra money into a more efficient picoPSU.

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Motherboard
I went H61, as the only real difference was loss of raid and Sata6. Asrock H61M-ITX. It has no internal USB3 header. However, with onboard gigabit, I'm not sure how much extra speed a USB3 header will give. This board will also support Ivy Bridge, but realistically, if I need to upgrade, it'll be cheaper to get another cheap motherboard at the next generation. $80

I tend to agree with your sentiments, a H61 probably will be sufficient. Given the form factor of the ITX box, plugging my backup drive into the back won't be so much of an issue. Also being a lot smaller I can put it in an alternative location. Is available for $84.50 locally.

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GPU
onboard

RAM
I have 8GB due to a stuff up. Not needed. 4GB is plenty. I have cheap slow stuff. I'm not going to overclock, so cheap stuff is fine.

Can pick up G Skill 4G(1x4G) DDR3 1333 PC10600 (F3-10600CL9S-4GBNT) for $21


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SSD
Don't skimp on this, get one. 60GB sata6 version should be about $110. This will be plenty for the OS and programs. Booting is faaaaaaaast. Well worth it (buy cheap generic 4 gB ram for $30 and put money into this).

Do I need SATA3 if the motherboard only supports SATA2? Will SATA2 be sufficient to run the Crucial M4 effectively? $107.

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HDD
2 TB minimum. I bought an external from officeworks for $95. It's a WD20EARX and it works.

Unforuntately they've gone up to $149 now at office works. I'd still prefer an internal drive as it will be a neater single package. $139.

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Blu-Ray
This is on my to get list.

Add on another $86.

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PSU
I'm running my rig off a Pico 80W with an ebay special ($10) 72W 12V DC supply. I was fully expecting the 12V DC supply to give me issues, but I've ripped a DVD to mkv. The HTPC was running for an hour at full load and no issues. Now some power info:
idle no programs: 17W
idle with WMC: 24W
peak max I've seen: 60W ish
standby: 3W
off (WOL enabled): 2.5W
12VDC supply with nothing connected: 1.5W
I don't know how much an optical drive will use, but my system is fan free and total cost less than $50.

I can find a 102W picoPSU for $101 from mini-box.

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TV Tuner
I just had a play tv from the PS3.

Still need to spend $199 for a Quad Tuner. No room to fit 2x cheaper dual tuners.

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Keyboard
I'd ditch this or buy one of those silicon fold up things of ebay. Cheap, can be tucked away until you need it. If you set things up properly, you shouldn't need a keyboard.

My preference is to still have rigid keyboard with integrated track ball. I find the rigid ones easier to use on my lap compared to the silicon ones. ($90).

With the hard drive added, and the PSU removed, I may potentially need to add a Noctua NF-S12B-FLX 120mm Fan to aid with cooling ($27). I also need to add on Windows 7 ($94).

Total cost of $1,133 for H61-ITX vs $1183 for Z68-ITX vs $1266 for Z-68 mATX.

I did price up a stripped down, barebones bedroom HTPC with an SSD, no tuner, Blu-Ray, HDD or keyboard which I was able to get to $586 for an Z68 i3 or $485 for and AMD E-450 using Antec ISK300-150 case. Could cut another $94 from these if I used XMBC rather than Windows 7 and even more if I booted them off a USB thumb drive. However, they are future builds which I'm not considering at the moment.
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I've just been through this process. My version is 'cheaper' than what you're aiming for, but may give you another option. Prices are AUD. I used PCCG for most of my parts (I'm in Melbourne).

Case
Aywun cubish case. Cheap, two front usb, full sized optical and PCI. Comes with a PSU which I removed. $49.

CPU
i3-2100. I don't think you need more, unless you want to game or 4k $125.

Motherboard
I went H61, as the only real difference was loss of raid and Sata6. Asrock H61M-ITX. It has no internal USB3 header. However, with onboard gigabit, I'm not sure how much extra speed a USB3 header will give. This board will also support Ivy Bridge, but realistically, if I need to upgrade, it'll be cheaper to get another cheap motherboard at the next generation. $80

GPU
onboard

RAM
I have 8GB due to a stuff up. Not needed. 4GB is plenty. I have cheap slow stuff. I'm not going to overclock, so cheap stuff is fine.

SSD
Don't skimp on this, get one. 60GB sata6 version should be about $110. This will be plenty for the OS and programs. Booting is faaaaaaaast. Well worth it (buy cheap generic 4 gB ram for $30 and put money into this).

HDD
2 TB minimum. I bought an external from officeworks for $95. It's a WD20EARX and it works.

Blu-Ray
This is on my to get list.

PSU
I'm running my rig off a Pico 80W with an ebay special ($10) 72W 12V DC supply. I was fully expecting the 12V DC supply to give me issues, but I've ripped a DVD to mkv. The HTPC was running for an hour at full load and no issues. Now some power info:
idle no programs: 17W
idle with WMC: 24W
peak max I've seen: 60W ish
standby: 3W
off (WOL enabled): 2.5W
12VDC supply with nothing connected: 1.5W
I don't know how much an optical drive will use, but my system is fan free and total cost less than $50.

TV Tuner
I just had a play tv from the PS3.

Keyboard
I'd ditch this or buy one of those silicon fold up things of ebay. Cheap, can be tucked away until you need it. If you set things up properly, you shouldn't need a keyboard.

Just want to clarify a few things and throw out my opinion...

Don't buy "cheap" anything. Inexpensive is what you want --- not cheap. And don't buy slower ram just because its cheaper. Buy the A) fastest and B) most reputable ram your chipset can support as buying A&B don't cost much more than "cheap" and "slow".

A H61 motherboard will NOT support Ivy Bridge. Only the Z68 should support Ivy Bridge assuming that the manufacturer puts out a bios update for that particular board.

People continue to not give the i3 the respect it deserves. Its a beast.

SSD is a luxury. Don't think you have to have one to have a decent HTPC --- especially if you have never used one. With that being said I am a fan and personally always will use one in my builds.

And you will need a keyboard from time to time. We all do.

Oh, and before anyone says anything running single channel ram is perfectly fine. You gain at most 5% in performance by running dual channel. It is a huge myth that you need dual channel.
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