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post #61 of 96
Those of you running 11.x channels, what receiver/preamplifier are you using? Thanks!

-Sean
post #62 of 96
I've setup the heights and I have to say I'm very impressed it really adds to the front soundstage. No regrets there.
post #63 of 96
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Those of you running 11.x channels, what receiver/preamplifier are you using? Thanks!
-Sean

I'm running 11.2 channels with the Denon 4311ci AVR. This reciever can send signals for all 11.2 speakers, including heights and wides at the same time, but only has amplification for 9 speakers. You have to use a separate amp for either the fronts or heights. I use an Outlaw 7 channel amp for separate amplification. I use the Denon preouts for front left and right, center, and left and right wides. That way the whole front stage is using the same amplifier. I use the Denon amplification for the left and right heights, surrounds, and back speakers.

I really like the 11.2 system, but on a few movies, occassionally the dialogue from a character off screen will sound like it's coming from the wide speaker, a little too far off screen, and it pulls me out of the movie. Other than that, I really like the expansive soundstage.
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I'm running 11.2 channels with the Denon 4311ci AVR. This reciever can send signals for all 11.2 speakers, including heights and wides at the same time, but only has amplification for 9 speakers. You have to use a separate amp for either the fronts or heights. I use an Outlaw 7 channel amp for separate amplification. I use the Denon preouts for front left and right, center, and left and right wides. That way the whole front stage is using the same amplifier. I use the Denon amplification for the left and right heights, surrounds, and back speakers.
I really like the 11.2 system, but on a few movies, occassionally the dialogue from a character off screen will sound like it's coming from the wide speaker, a little too far off screen, and it pulls me out of the movie. Other than that, I really like the expansive soundstage.

Thanks! I've been looking at the Denon and the new Onkyo, I plan on using external amps for all 11 channels so I was hoping to see an 11 channel preamp but I haven't run across one yet. I've moved into a house and I finally will have a dedicated space for my stuff so I'm looking at expanding to 11.x, I'm just having trouble deciding which way to lay the room out. With these new channels it seems like a room that is wider than it is deep might be the better option.

-Sean
post #65 of 96
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Thanks! I've been looking at the Denon and the new Onkyo, I plan on using external amps for all 11 channels so I was hoping to see an 11 channel preamp but I haven't run across one yet. I've moved into a house and I finally will have a dedicated space for my stuff so I'm looking at expanding to 11.x, I'm just having trouble deciding which way to lay the room out. With these new channels it seems like a room that is wider than it is deep might be the better option.
-Sean

If you're using a projector, there are benefits to a deeper rather than wider room. Getting the wides into a good position was a challenge for me, but you only really need to be concerned with the angle of the speakers from the main listening position. A receiver or pre/pro with room correction technology will compensate for distance. I don't know of any preamps that do Audyssey DSX or Dolby IIz. You can run the Denon in preamp mode where the signal bypasses the amplifier section. Prices are pretty good because the receiver is getting a little long in the tooth (though the tech is state of the art).
post #66 of 96
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Thanks! I've been looking at the Denon and the new Onkyo, I plan on using external amps for all 11 channels so I was hoping to see an 11 channel preamp but I haven't run across one yet.
Marantz recently talked about the upcoming AV8801 which will be full 11.2 (basically a Denon 4520 without amps and some audiophile touches added). I believe towards the year end... And you bet the successor of the Onkyo PR-SC5509 will do 11.4 (as the new top dog AVR will also do it).

Finally!!
post #67 of 96
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Originally posted by erwinfrombelgium
Finally!!

Yes - "finally" indeed. At least for this current channel centric technology perhaps it's most likely been finalised - particularly if we're now talking about a separate pre-amp unit encompassing DSX, Neo X and Pliiz (requiring outboard amplification). And if it is, then that's good because it seems to me that maxing out the whole 11.xx channel based format thingy for home cinema has been relatively quick - from Onkyo in particular.

The game is moving on to object based algo's now though. I for one am more excited about this than the 11.xx based stuff. But maybe that's just me.biggrin.gif
I think the ability to set up our rooms according to where we can best situate surround speakers, and at what ever number we choose to be optimum, is going to be a huge plus for a lot of us.

I wonder how many other hardware manufacturers are now going to even bother to bring 11.xx boxes to the market.....or whether they'll wait a little and introduce MDA or Atmos based technology in their next set of AVR's.

Perhaps 2013 is going to be a true watershed year for home cinema audio......
post #68 of 96
In the mean time, Onkyo released the manual of the TX-NR5010, the receiver that shares almost anything but the amps with the upcoming PR-SC5510 pre-pro (which is the successor to the PR-SC5509). The new AVR still only has 9 amps on board, but it will do 11 channels if an external 2ch amp is added for the wide channels, using the pre-out RCA's. I believe the TX-NR3010 does the same. (main dif between 5010 and 3010 is the 5010 has toroidial transformer). So, the TX-NR5010 does about the same thing as the Denon 4311 (and 4810 I believe), only later...

While the 11.4 mark is lead to believe four subs can be managed, this is not the case, since the four sub outputs are twinned. Only two subs channels are independently calibrated, with two outputs per channel. Still, it will be interesting to compare both the Onkyo PR-SC5510 and the Marantz AV8801, the two first true 11.2 pre-pro's. I am biassed towards the Marantz, but it will be significantly more expensive...
post #69 of 96
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Those of you running 11.x channels, what receiver/preamplifier are you using? Thanks!
-Sean

A Denon 4311 Audyssey (MultEQ XT32) Pro calibrated amplifying 4 rears SL/BL/BR/SR Klipsch THX Ultra2 KS525s' + an Onkyo PA MC5500 amp for 7 fronts WL/HL/L/C/R/HR/WR all Klipsch THX Ultra 2 KL650s' + Crown K2 amp driving 2* JBL Pro 4645c. All speaker locations are adequate regarding DSX angling requirements.

At my usual ref -8 listening level all this gives a VERY immersive and life-like/real sound. Once tasted, it's impossible to return to usual 5.x/7.x listenings.

Now even though I've been an Onkyo for many years, I'll probably switch my actual 4311 for the next Denon 4520 when it becomes available, as I want to compare DSX 11 and DTS Neo X 11, Audyssey Pro compatibilty being a pre-requisite.

Hugo

PS: the 2.35 format screen is 2.60m. wide + JVC X30, nobody's perfect...
Edited by Hugo S - 8/27/12 at 7:33am
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Hi,
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post

Those of you running 11.x channels, what receiver/preamplifier are you using? Thanks!
-Sean

A Denon 4311 Audyssey (MultEQ XT32) Pro calibrated amplifying 4 rears SL/BL/BR/SR Klipsch THX Ultra2 KS525s' + an Onkyo PA MC5500 amp for 7 fronts WL/HL/L/C/R/HR/WR all Klipsch THX Ultra 2 KL650s' + Crown K2 amp driving 2* JBL Pro 4645c. All speaker locations are adequate regarding DSX angling requirements.

At my usual ref -8 listening level all this gives a VERY immersive and life-like/real sound. Once tasted, it's impossible to return to usual 5.x/7.x listenings.

Now even though I've been an Onkyo for many years, I'll probably switch my actual 4311 for the next Denon 4520 when it becomes available, as I want to compare DSX 11 and DTS Neo X 11, Audyssey Pro compatibilty being a pre-requisite.

Hugo

PS: the 2.35 format screen is 2.60m. wide + JVC X30, nobody's perfect...

I'm in final negotiation phase of buying a Denon 4520CI from my local brick and mortar store, along with 2 more monitors for my front height speakers....possibly next few weeks I can post pictures and impressions.
post #71 of 96
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post #72 of 96
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Originally Posted by 230-SEAN View Post


Thanks! I've been looking at the Denon and the new Onkyo, I plan on using external amps for all 11 channels so I was hoping to see an 11 channel preamp but I haven't run across one yet. I've moved into a house and I finally will have a dedicated space for my stuff so I'm looking at expanding to 11.x, I'm just having trouble deciding which way to lay the room out. With these new channels it seems like a room that is wider than it is deep might be the better option.
-Sean

 

 

I will be ordering the 4520 this coming week, already have installed the heights and wides to my current 7.1 system and have added a second sub.

My room is only 19x14 dedicated room that only has sonex 2 inch sound absorbers as room treatment leading to a 'dead' room.  I will be replacing several of the absorbers with DIY skyline diffusers for the intended purpose to liven the room and to hopefully make the room sound larger than it is especially with all these speakers.

post #73 of 96

I've been running the Denon 4520CI on my 11.1 speakers for a few weeks now and really like it.  I moved up from an Onkyo 3009 (since sold) and 9 channels.  My room is quite large (20' wide X 30' deep) and the screen is 127"W/54"H CIH with A-lens and Epson 6010 projector.  I have been thinking about adding the XPA-3 for the L/C/F, but the Denon seems to be powering all 11 speakers pretty well.  I have all DefTech with the front being large towers (BP7002, CLR2500) that provide LFE amplification built-in.  Probably, the XPA-3 is not really necessary, but I keep thinking it might help, given the room size and large speakers.  Volume level is usually around -21 or -22db for full throated sound for a quite enveloping experience.  Can't help but wonder about that amp though...

post #74 of 96
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I've been running the Denon 4520CI on my 11.1 speakers for a few weeks now and really like it. I moved up from an Onkyo 3009 (since sold) and 9 channels. My room is quite large (20' wide X 30' deep) and the screen is 127"W/54"H CIH with A-lens and Epson 6010 projector. I have been thinking about adding the XPA-3 for the L/C/F, but the Denon seems to be powering all 11 speakers pretty well. I have all DefTech with the front being large towers (BP7002, CLR2500) that provide LFE amplification built-in. Probably, the XPA-3 is not really necessary, but I keep thinking it might help, given the room size and large speakers. Volume level is usually around -21 or -22db for full throated sound for a quite enveloping experience. Can't help but wonder about that amp though...
The 4520 has 9 fully assignable amps, to run 11.x you need some external amp in your setup for 2 channels....
How are you doing it? Confused by your post.
Would love to see Picts of your HT, my HT build thread is part of my signature link called "HT".

btw, hopefully hurricane Sandy does not delay delivery of my XPA-3 | 200W x 3 amp
(and Flint you live in Baltimore, hopefully no damage to your home)
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post #75 of 96

I'm using a left over Pioneer AVR (110w) to drive the Front Heights for now.  That's sufficient power for the smaller Height speakers with the Denon driving the rest.  The Denon is rated at 150w/channel and is probably delivering something a bit less than that.  I'm not unhappy with the sound at all, just felt like there might be room for improvement and/or more headroom with the XPA-3 driving the F/C/L speakers. 

 

Thanks for the good wishes - as it turns out, the power was only out briefly here and no damage as of this morning (Tuesday). 

 

Here's an older photo of my HT.  It's taken from the rear at about 30' from the screen.  The bottom of the 2 rear surrounds are visible in upper right corner and the 2 sides are also visible by the bar and next to the curtains.  The fronts are obscured.  The screen is 127" X 54" and the projector has since been replaced.

 

post #76 of 96
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Ray - nice room!

I have a Onkyo 787 circia 2000 100w/ch that will be not used anymore, was considering it for my front heights amp duty but instead decided to go the XPA-3 route for the front soundstage.
This will also give me extra headroom for future R/C/L speaker upgrade.

(The subwoofer pre-out on that Onkyo 787 went 2 years ago - used in my family room as 5.1, so I've been band-aid it by running the mains full size and them hooking them to the sub high current side.....)

we got 1/4" snow here in Howell , Mich and wind, some power outages (my kids missed school today because of it).
Edited by mtbdudex - 10/30/12 at 8:00am
post #77 of 96
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I started this thread 10/26/2012 in the Dedicated Theater Design & Construction forum, to capture the planning/building portion of going to 11.x
Moving past 7.1 (5.1) into 9.1 (11.2)....upgrading your HT room via Audyssey DSX or Dolby PL IIz

Related to CIH discussion, since I don't have a AT screen and my room is not so wide, I'm hoping the wides do "their" job with the relatively small seperation between them and the front R/L in my set-up.

Below shows what my room looks like currently.
The wides are temp on barstools, wired and working, I'll be re-doing my side wall acoustic treatments to incorperate them more seamlessly over Christmas break.
The heights I have the mtg brackets up, my CL2 12/2 wire due today, so hopefully over this weekend I'll complete the install.
(and I had to modify my bass traps to get the bookshelf monitors to fit up there)


My wife shaking her head at my hobby....I told her "honey, we'll have a premier sound basement HT, maybe one of the first in all of Michigan with CIH screen and 11.x surround sound!".
My kids are kinda wondering at it all also......
post #78 of 96
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

I started this thread 10/26/2012 in the Dedicated Theater Design & Construction forum, to capture the planning/building portion of going to 11.x
Moving past 7.1 (5.1) into 9.1 (11.2)....upgrading your HT room via Audyssey DSX or Dolby PL IIz
Related to CIH discussion, since I don't have a AT screen and my room is not so wide, I'm hoping the wides do "their" job with the relatively small seperation between them and the front R/L in my set-up.
Below shows what my room looks like currently.
The wides are temp on barstools, wired and working, I'll be re-doing my side wall acoustic treatments to incorperate them more seamlessly over Christmas break.
The heights I have the mtg brackets up, my CL2 12/2 wire due today, so hopefully over this weekend I'll complete the install.
(and I had to modify my bass traps to get the bookshelf monitors to fit up there)

My wife shaking her head at my hobby....I told her "honey, we'll have a premier sound basement HT, maybe one of the first in all of Michigan with CIH screen and 11.x surround sound!".
My kids are kinda wondering at it all also......

Its going to look awesome smile.gif
post #79 of 96
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Originally Posted by erwinfrombelgium View Post

In the mean time, Onkyo released the manual of the TX-NR5010, the receiver that shares almost anything but the amps with the upcoming PR-SC5510 pre-pro (which is the successor to the PR-SC5509). The new AVR still only has 9 amps on board, but it will do 11 channels if an external 2ch amp is added for the wide channels, using the pre-out RCA's. I believe the TX-NR3010 does the same. (main dif between 5010 and 3010 is the 5010 has toroidial transformer). So, the TX-NR5010 does about the same thing as the Denon 4311 (and 4810 I believe), only later...

While the 11.4 mark is lead to believe four subs can be managed, this is not the case, since the four sub outputs are twinned. Only two subs channels are independently calibrated, with two outputs per channel. Still, it will be interesting to compare both the Onkyo PR-SC5510 and the Marantz AV8801, the two first true 11.2 pre-pro's. I am biassed towards the Marantz, but it will be significantly more expensive...
I have read several posts claiming a PR-SC5510 is on it's way, but I have been unable to find any sources of this information. Is there an article somewhere?
Thanks
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I have read several posts claiming a PR-SC5510 is on it's way, but I have been unable to find any sources of this information. Is there an article somewhere?
Thanks

Anyone?........
post #81 of 96
That is looking good mtbdudex smile.gif The Wides should be placed as in an arc so that they are at about +/-60 degrees separation from centre. They would probably work closer given Surrounds are generally +/-90 degrees apart and many of us have our main speakers much closer than ITU-R recommendation of +/30 degrees. 90, 60 and 30 are multiples of 30, and where 60 is also half away. Therefore I think it is safe to move the wides anywhere that is also half way between the main and surrounds, if that makes sense. It would seem your L and R sit just outside the Scope screen, so if your wides had to sit at +/-70 degrees, I don't think it would be a problem.
post #82 of 96
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Since I started this thread, this post brings some closure to post#1

Here's an update to my 130" diag Scope HT (or UltraWide or 2.35:1 or ??) - full 11.3 via Denon 4520CI + Emotiva amp, and added fronts/wides for 11 mains/center/surrounds and 3 subs for LFE give a 11.3 set-up
(I have the IB 4 x 15" line array on Sub1 and both 18" and 15" SI cubes on Sub2, so technically a 11.2 I guess from a processor viewpoint).
Those 18" and 15" SI drivers in sealed cab's along front wall and side wall help flatten the in room response in my 2 row, 8 seat, 11.3 HT.

The panaroma stitching in PSE made the curved look to the ceiling acoustic clouds, they are straight in real world.
HT%252011.3%2520cover%2520off%2520Pano-b.jpg

Subjectively I've used my 4520CI and tried AudysseyDSX vs DolbyPL IIz vs DTS Neo:X™ , and honestly I've settled on NeoX as my default codec for 11.3 processing.

I truly love the envolping surround sound of 11.3, this has satisfied my "upgrade-itis" I'd say till 2015, when I might dive into AT screen + auto masking system + 4k PJ, do some DIY CD speakers (DIY Sound group), totally re-do the acoustic treatments then, etc.
post #83 of 96
I'm choosing speakers for my setup and see conflicting 11 channel speaker setups on the DTS page.

The current setup calls for wides at a 60 degree angle. However, the new DTS NEO:X setup ditches the wides or moves them to the middle side of the room and puts hights in the rear. So is it ok for me to move the wides to the side and add hights to the rear? Everyone speaks of wides used from the old diagram, can I configure my speakers like in the link below?

http://www.dts.com/~/media/c0a4fd81487e40448b5992785f3af357/neox_11_1.jpg

Also, will this setup invalidate current NEO:X as it's designed for wides way up front and not to the sides as shown int he pics. It would be nice to know since I still have time to cancel myOnkyo and go for the Marantz 8801. I just don't want it to be outdated or not able to use the current suggested speaker setup.

Thanks again
Edited by snyderkv - 9/18/13 at 12:31pm
post #84 of 96
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I'm choosing speakers for my setup and see conflicting 11 channel speaker setups on the DTS page.The current setup calls for wides at a 60 degree angle. However, the new DTS NEO:X setup ditches the wides or moves them to the middle side of the room and puts hights in the rear. So is it ok for me to move the wides to the side and add hights to the rear? Everyone speaks of wides used from the old diagram, can I configure my speakers like in the link below?http://www.dts.com/~/media/c0a4fd81487e40448b5992785f3af357/neox_11_1.jpgAlso, will this setup invalidate current NEO:X as it's designed for wides way up front and not to the sides as shown int he pics. It would be nice to know since I still have time to cancel myOnkyo and go for the Marantz 8801. I just don't want it to be outdated or not able to use the current suggested speaker setup.Thanks again

Is that a real NeoX 11.1 option?
If so, that really confuses the whole scheme, calling it the same yet changing the layout.
A companies whole credibility can get ruined for much less.

My 4520 is basically same as the 8801, both from Denon holdings corp, so not sure where you are going with this.
http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=AVSeparates&ProductId=AV8801
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For the ultimate surround sound experience, the AV8801 also features expanded multi-channel decoding, including Audyssey DSX and DTS Neo:X, giving you the ability to add additional front height and width channels for a truly expansive and immersive surround sound experience.



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going to http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/neox.aspx#about, I see this about NeoX, no where do they talk about rear heights.
Where did you see that in writing? Or guessing from the jpg they posted?
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5.1 / 7.1 Blu-ray Titles on a Neo:X Receiver

DTS Neo:X offers up to 11.1 channels of immersive surround with discrete Front-Height and Wide imaging. From ambient/non-directional effects like raindrops to overhead effects like a low-flying jet, DTS Neo:X lets listeners track all the audio action. Sound arcs overhead to the Front-Height speakers, sideways to the Wide speakers, and back to the rear speakers, creating a semi-spherical soundstage.

Reason I ask is this is what I've know about DTS Neo:X™ and it's layout:
DTS_NeoX_.JPG

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Edited by mtbdudex - 9/18/13 at 7:55pm
post #85 of 96
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Is that a real NeoX 11.1 option?
If so, that really confuses the whole scheme, calling it the same yet changing the layout.
A companies whole credibility can get ruined for much less.

My 4520 is basically same as the 8801, both from Denon holdings corp, so not sure where you are going with this.
http://us.marantz.com/us/Products/Pages/ProductDetails.aspx?CatId=AVSeparates&ProductId=AV8801
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going to http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/neox.aspx#about, I see this about NeoX, no where do they talk about rear heights.
Where did you see that in writing? Or guessing from the jpg they posted?
Reason I ask is this is what I've know about DTS Neo:X™ and it's layout:
DTS_NeoX_.JPG

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I don't know yet but we should hear more after CEDIA 28 SEP13 I'd imagine. The jpeg is littered all over the dts.com site as new rear hights. Possibly to mimick Auro3D? Suppsedly Yamaha has had rear hights for a while. I wanted to buy the Onkyo because it's cheap and I could sell it for a new avr once the new stuff comes out assuming it's not compatible. I like the rear hights better anyways since I don't have room for wides at the 60 degree.

http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/neox.aspx
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I don't know yet but we should hear more after CEDIA 28 SEP13 I'd imagine. The jpeg is littered all over the dts.com site as new rear hights. Possibly to mimick Auro3D? Suppsedly Yamaha has had rear hights for a while. I wanted to buy the Onkyo because it's cheap and I could sell it for a new avr once the new stuff comes out assuming it's not compatible. I like the rear hights better anyways since I don't have room for wides at the 60 degree.

http://www.dts.com/consumers/entertainment-audio/neox.aspx

Way back in 2008 when I was building my HT I pre-wired the rear corners for optional direct firing speakers, thinking was for HT usage I'd have 7.1 via di-pole for the sides/rears, and for pure music I'd go 5.1 with direct firing speakers in the corners.

Well, I never used those, but they are there, so IF DTS or others add some rear Heights or even Rear ceiling speakers, at least I can use those pre-wiring to cover that.
Hopefully Denon would offer that as a "feature upgrade" like they have for other stuff.

You can see those mid way up on the side wall to rear wall corner area.
IMG_6413.JPG
post #87 of 96
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Way back in 2008 when I was building my HT I pre-wired the rear corners for optional direct firing speakers, thinking was for HT usage I'd have 7.1 via di-pole for the sides/rears, and for pure music I'd go 5.1 with direct firing speakers in the corners.

Well, I never used those, but they are there, so IF DTS or others add some rear Heights or even Rear ceiling speakers, at least I can use those pre-wiring to cover that.
Hopefully Denon would offer that as a "feature upgrade" like they have for other stuff.

You can see those mid way up on the side wall to rear wall corner area.

Was this Denon feature upgrade a firmware upgrade?
Edited by snyderkv - 9/19/13 at 11:05am
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Originally Posted by mtbdudex View Post

Way back in 2008 when I was building my HT I pre-wired the rear corners for optional direct firing speakers, thinking was for HT usage I'd have 7.1 via di-pole for the sides/rears, and for pure music I'd go 5.1 with direct firing speakers in the corners.

Well, I never used those, but they are there, so IF DTS or others add some rear Heights or even Rear ceiling speakers, at least I can use those pre-wiring to cover that.
Hopefully Denon would offer that as a "feature upgrade" like they have for other stuff.

You can see those mid way up on the side wall to rear wall corner area.

Was this Denon feature upgrade a firmware upgrade?

Yes - my prior AVR, the Denon 4308CI, offered for $100 a feature upgrade via firmware
http://usa.denon.com/US/Support/Pages/upgrade.aspx


So, my expectations for an AVR that's 5 years newer, of course they should be able to do this via firmware update!
Especially since each amp can be assigned, seems simple, as long as the codec can be stored in available memory.
New graphic, new define, done.
Edited by mtbdudex - 9/19/13 at 2:50pm
post #89 of 96
Thanks going with Denon. The assignable amps may be usefull too since I'm going 11 channel.
Edited by snyderkv - 9/20/13 at 9:02am
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Thanks going with Denon. The assignable amps may be usefull too since I'm going 11 channel.

There are 9 amps built in, with full pre-outs for 11, for 11 ch you need to add external amp, I use the Emotiva XPA-3.
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