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post #1051 of 3464
5/20/12 at 4:47pm
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... I think Netflix/Amazon/VUDU and everyone else wants you to think "If it plays Netflix, it plays Netflix" and there isn't a quality difference.

And that's why I don't subscribe.
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post #1052 of 3464
5/20/12 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm using a venerable old Linksys WRT54G running the open source Tomato 1.28 firmware, as connected to a Motorola Surfboard DOCSIS 2 modem on Cox San Diego South.

Are you saying that the S590's Amazon player starts streams faster for you?

I haven't worked with Linksys in a long time but I believe the first WRT54G came out in 2002. I'm using a BEFW11S4 with firmware version: 1.52.03, and its running to a Cisco 2100 cable modem provided by Charter. I forgot what tier package I have with Charter but I'm pulling in about 24.5mbps on the downstream. I'm not going through the dmz on the player since the dmz is reserved my hardwired pc since thats the computer I use to access torrents.

Now when it comes to Amazon VOD, I do not use it for movies and I wouldn't even use it for tv shows if it wasn't for the fact I already had previously owned episodes of Buffy and Walking Dead on their service. However, with the 220, Buffy, which is SD, I got 2-3 frame delays during fast paced scenes on the 220, and the episodes of Walking Dead which are in HD, I got soo many frame delays I lost count. The frame delays were usually about a second to a half a second but they were noticable enough to annoy me. The videos also took a bit longer to load with the 220, and at times they'd pause about half way through the stream in order to buffer. While with the S590, they load in half the time, and I haven't had them stop at any point.

As for Vudu, when I just played trailers on the 220, they'd often stop and I'd get a network error, or they'd stop and buffer. While with the S590, so far that hasn't happened and like I said, I'm getting a far stronger speed result with the S590 than I did with the 220. I ran these tests during the day and at night, and with the S590 the only difference I noticed is that sometimes during the day, my speed test result will tell me Vudu recommends HD, and at night it'll usually always tell me it recommends HDX. However, like I said earlier, HDX is pointless to me since I'm only running a 720p display.

The other thing to keep in mind is the router is in the same room as the player, its maybe 25 feet away.
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post #1053 of 3464
5/20/12 at 8:17pm
Alright, I'm not finding what seems to be a definitive answer on this: what is/are a preferred video codec(s) for DLNA playback on this thing? I have a number of files that won't play, particularly some old TV rips (Space:1999 if you must know) - VLC lists the codec as "MS MPEG-4 Video 3 (DIV3), Resolution: 512x384, Frame rate: 25, Decoded format: Planar 4:2:0 YUV"

I tried recoding as MKV using TMPEGEnc - that turned a 320MB file into a <5GB file. Started encoding as WMV9 but that was taking even longer.

I've had some other shows and movies that seem to be pieced-together collections in a variety of codecs... ideally I'd like to do a batch-recode on all of them to something that the S590 is happy with. Question is: what's my best bet?

And in that same vein, what's a good (preferably freeware/opensource) tool to do the job? I remember when TMPEGEnc was a freeware command-line tool...

I suppose it would be too much to ask that Sony provided their own transcoder to make files that their players would be happy with....
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post #1054 of 3464
5/20/12 at 8:53pm
Hrrrrrm, this must be a FAQ, but I couldn't narrow down a search on it... I'm stuck in the firmware update. It did this once before, when I first got it, and I managed to break out of the loop, re-confirm the network connection settings, and then the update proceeded... this time it just gets to 1/9, eventually fails, and only gives me the "Retry" button. I tried every button on the remote but couldn't break out... I tried unplugging it for 30s but when I plug it back in, it goes straight back to attempting the update. I know the network connection was working because I was browsing my media server before I started the update.
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post #1055 of 3464
5/20/12 at 10:29pm
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post


Well all I can say is this..

With the Panasonic 220, Vudu would not run a speed test using my isp's dns numbers, and Amazon VOD would get numerous frame delays while streaming HD and SD videos. I contacted VUDU about this and they had me put in Google's dns numbers, this allowed me to run a speed test on Vudu but the results were ass, and Amazon VOD was still getting some frame delays. With the S590, which is in the exact same spot the 220 was, I can run a speed test with Vudu using my isp's dns numbers and the results are much higher, and Amazon VOD so far doesn't seem to have frame delays anymore and the shows I stream load in about 10 seconds, while the 220 it took maybe 30.

Think the 220 just didn't like my older Linksys wireless-b router. I jumped to Sony instead of LG next because I remembered my brothers ps3 working flawlessly via this router with Netflix, and with the isp's dns. So I just had a hunch that the S590 would be play nice like the Ps3. Heh, gotta love how Panny and vudu blamed the isp though.

It can't take 10 seconds to start the amazon stream because it has to do a network quality check for 15second. Best time for me to start a amazon hd stream is 21seconds from selecting the show to play, to the stream being displayed.
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post #1056 of 3464
5/20/12 at 11:36pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

It can't take 10 seconds to start the amazon stream because it has to do a network quality check for 15second. Best time for me to start a amazon hd stream is 21seconds from selecting the show to play, to the stream being displayed.

The ten seconds is how long it takes after the network connection/speed check to load the video.

If I add the time it takes to do the network connection/speed check, then it takes about 23-25 seconds to start the show.
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post #1057 of 3464
5/21/12 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by htwaits View Post

That will depend on each device. Try it and check for excess heat between the components. I have a Toshiba HD-DVD player under an OPPO 93. The Toshiba is as cool as the shelf when it's in standby mode. I never use the Toshiba for more than on movie at a time, and I never use both players at the same time.

Both players have full sized cases so there is plenty of surface to distribute the heat.

I wonder if there is a small device stand available that I could buy: just tall enough to clear a blu ray player beneath it, and just wide enough to hold a blu ray player on top of it.
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post #1058 of 3464
5/21/12 at 3:58am
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Hrrrrrm, this must be a FAQ, but I couldn't narrow down a search on it... I'm stuck in the firmware update.

You might try disconnecting it from the network and doing the update from CD.
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post #1059 of 3464
5/21/12 at 4:00am
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I wonder if there is a small device stand available that I could buy: just tall enough to clear a blu ray player beneath it, and just wide enough to hold a blu ray player on top of it.

A wire-frame planter-carrier maybe?
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post #1060 of 3464
5/21/12 at 4:11am
Hi Guys,

My new S490 finally arrived a few days ago. Few questions / impressions.

MKV and M2TS files play DTS-HD Master Audio / Dolby TrueHD soundtracks, this is huge for me so delighted.

AVI files play perfectly

WMV files do not play even though on manual it said they should.
Has anyone played a WMV file? I am using Serviio 0.6.1 on a Dlink NAS

Smaller MKV files (up 18Mbps) play perfect but larger lossless MKV files (30+ Mbps) can be quiet start/stop, unwatchable. I have 20Mb broadband but think this maybe to do with my crappy modem/router so may have to upgrade.

@apw2607 i see in post1 you managed to play a 30+Mbps MKV file, what speed broadband do you have? Do you use a NAS or laptop?

The biggest issue i have is not being able to skip through chapters on any MKV / M2TS / AVI file. It just moves onto next file on the NAS. Same files skip through chapters on Xbox fine.
Anybody have any ideas? This is really annoying.

Picture quality is great, it is very quick to navigate around
Overall i'm much happier compared to 220 which i hated.

Cheers,
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post #1061 of 3464
5/21/12 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Devianza View Post

The ten seconds is how long it takes after the network connection/speed check to load the video.

If I add the time it takes to do the network connection/speed check, then it takes about 23-25 seconds to start the show.

It always takes well over a minute for the S390 to start an Amazon stream, often over 90 seconds. In contrast, it takes the Roku 2 XS 5-6 seconds.

I'd hoped to find the "one box" to do Netflix, Amazon and VUDU, but my Roku 2 is so incredibly much faster at handling the first two (but has no VUDU player) that I'm pretty much giving up on the BD players for those services (the Roku starts either service from its main menu in 5-8 seconds and starts streams in the same brief time). My BD player is for VUDU and the (very) occasional disc.
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post #1062 of 3464
5/21/12 at 9:16am
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@apw2607 i see in post1 you managed to play a 30+Mbps MKV file, what speed broadband do you have? Do you use a NAS or laptop?

The biggest issue i have is not being able to skip through chapters on any MKV / M2TS / AVI file. It just moves onto next file on the NAS. Same files skip through chapters on Xbox fine.
Anybody have any ideas? This is really annoying.

Picture quality is great, it is very quick to navigate around
Overall i'm much happier compared to 220 which i hated.

Cheers,

iMac. I've tested with Serviio and Eye Connect. I'm not sure what Broadband speeds would have to do with a local area network ? The player is wired to the network.

If you goto the Serviio forums, they state that chapter search and FF/RW have issues if you don't enable on the fly trans-coding (to M2TS I think) with the Sony BD profile.

I prefer not to use trans-coding, so switched to Eye Connect that doesn't use any. It also seems to support FF/RW and chapter search without any issues.
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post #1063 of 3464
5/21/12 at 3:01pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

It always takes well over a minute for the S390 to start an Amazon stream, often over 90 seconds. In contrast, it takes the Roku 2 XS 5-6 seconds.

I'd hoped to find the "one box" to do Netflix, Amazon and VUDU, but my Roku 2 is so incredibly much faster at handling the first two (but has no VUDU player) that I'm pretty much giving up on the BD players for those services (the Roku starts either service from its main menu in 5-8 seconds and starts streams in the same brief time). My BD player is for VUDU and the (very) occasional disc.

Hmm. 90s. That's odd. This is my experience ... see vid attached.
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post #1064 of 3464
5/21/12 at 4:45pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Hmm. 90s. That's odd. This is my experience ... see vid attached.

Very different for me. I just tried it and it took 68 seconds--it varies. It was 20 seconds or so before the speed test showed up and it show my network connection speed at 20 Mbps (this is a wired connection). EDIT: It turns out that this longer start time is only for the first stream after starting the player--subsequent streams start in 40-45 seconds, with the speed test turning up in 8 seconds or so. Of course, that doesn't help if you only start it up to watch a single title.

Could be some incompatibility with my router. As I said, my Roku 2 XS very reliably starts a stream in 5 to 8 seconds. Perhaps different Amazon streaming servers are used for different devices, though that makes little sense to me.

I hadn't had the Sony connected for a while, so it told me there was an update and I just applied it. Doesn't seem to affect Amazon stream start times though.
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post #1065 of 3464
5/21/12 at 9:45pm
I think you're right about the compatibility thing...

I think the reason my isp dns numbers didn't work on the 220 with Vudu but did with the S590 had to do with compatibility. I'm pretty sure if I went out and bought a newer Linksys, the 220 would have been fine. The reason I'm thinking compatability isn't just because of the dns thing but also because I have noticed the built in wireless on Toshiba satellites at times don't play well with this router, but the minute I pop in a linksys wireless adapter in those Satellites, they go right online and never have an issue.
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post #1066 of 3464
5/22/12 at 1:05pm
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DLNA update

So I had a chance to do some experimenting with DLNA and the S390/590/790

As we know the Sony cannot play VC-1 MKV native. However, you can easily solve this problem by creating a M2TS transport stream from the MKV. You can use TSMuxer to do this. Its fast, painless and doesn't re-render the video, so no quality is lost. DTS is supported.

Similarly, DVD backups (NTSC and PAL), can play fine on the Sony ... again create the MKV, but afterwards change the file to a M2TS transport stream using TSMuxer. DTS is again supported.

You can simply use Serviio instead and select transcoding. The problem with this is .... that DTS is not supported with on the fly transcoding, and the audio will be converted to DD. So I think its better to use TSMuxer, and create the M2TS file yourself. That way you don't need to enable transcoding in Serviio.

With these changes, this means that all BD backups and DVD backups will play back perfectly without any loss of original quality. This includes NTSC, PAL, 1080i material along with 1080p material.

The M2TS files are supported (VC-1 [for BD] and MPEG2 [for DVD]) over DLNA and USB.

With this information, there should be no reason why the Sony cannot playback any of your disk backup material from anywhere in the world.
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post #1067 of 3464
5/22/12 at 2:37pm
You also can use PS3 Media Server to do all the M2TS remuxing on the fly so you don't need to change your original MKV formatting. PMS is actually using TSMuxer to do this.
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post #1068 of 3464
5/22/12 at 3:49pm
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You also can use PS3 Media Server to do all the M2TS remuxing on the fly so you don't need to change your original MKV formatting. PMS is actually using TSMuxer to do this.

Does it preserve DTS audio though? Serviio seems to convert the DTS to DD on the fly, when trans-coding is enabled.

I gave ps3media server a try. However I'm on a Mac, and had alot of issues with the software ... in the end I gave up. Perhaps mileage varies if you are on Windows.
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post #1069 of 3464
5/22/12 at 6:18pm
Hmm, I used to use it on the Mac fine, but currently it's being used on Windows. Yes, it preserves DTS, even DTS-HD and Dolby True HD are passed through to the Sony with it.
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post #1070 of 3464
5/23/12 at 9:19am
Does anyone know if there is a way to specify how the 390 outputs audio? I bought one recently and it seems to just spit audio out both the HDMI and the analog at the same time. I.E. I get sound from both my TV and from my external analog connected speakers. The only way for me to get around this, is to actually go into my TV's audio settings and actually turn off the speakers. If my TV didn't have this option (some don't) I would actually have to manually turn the TV's volume down completely to avoid an "echo" effect.

It wouldn't be a big deal except that the sound to both the TV (sound recieved over HDMI) and my bookshelf speakers and sub (sound via red/white analog) has a bunch of fizzy noise in it and wonder if its because its outputting sound both places at the same time? I've tried the stock analog cables, some aftermarket analog cables, and two different HDMI cables (a brand new Amazon basics cable and a 3 year old "Rosewill" brand braided cable. Rosewill is Newegg's housebrand). My PS3 outputs crystal clear sound on my setup.

the menus are really vague and the owners manual barely provides extra information. I've tried altering the sound compression setting (which I think is the "DRC" setting) to all three options, but none of them have fixed it. though turning DRC "on" or to "Auto" seems to make the noise a little quieter than when DRC is set to "off".

Its possible I got a lemon, but I thought I'd check about how to control the sound, first.


and on to some initial observations:

From a Blu-ray is exactly the same as my 60GB PS3, other than some slight color and/or percieved brightness differences. My PS3 is overall a notch darker (which I actually think is due to cyan coming through a little stronger with the S390), but also displays a tiny bit more complexity/subtlety to reds than the S390, with the same exact image settings on the TV. All other things, sharpness, percieved detail, shadow detail, etc, are the same. I don't doubt that if each was properly calibrated, they'd probably be exactly the same in all areas.

No problems so far playing high bitrate 1080i H.264 video wrapped in an MKV container or an mpeg/avi container. Image quality with said video played from a USB stick is exactly the same as my 60gb PS3, with aforementioned slight differences found with blu-ray playback. Sony's image algorithms must be basically the same across its products. Whereas my LG plasma TV renders video from a USB stick with noticeably more clarity and sharpness, without appearing overly sharp.
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post #1071 of 3464
5/23/12 at 9:25am
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Does anyone know if there is a way to specify how the 390 outputs audio? I bought one recently and it seems to just spit audio out both the HDMI and the analog at the same time. I.E. I get sound from both my TV and from my external analog connected speakers. The only way for me to get around this, is to actually go into my TV's audio settings and actually turn off the speakers. If my TV didn't have this option (some don't) I would actually have to manually turn the TV's volume down completely to avoid an "echo" effect.

It wouldn't be a big deal except that the sound to both the TV (sound recieved over HDMI) and my bookshelf speakers and sub (sound via red/white analog) has a bunch of fizzy noise in it and wonder if its because its outputting sound both places at the same time? I've tried the stock analog cables, some aftermarket analog cables, and two different HDMI cables (a brand new Amazon basics cable and a 3 year old "Rosewill" brand braided cable. Rosewill is Newegg's housebrand). My PS3 outputs crystal clear sound on my setup.

the menus are really vague and the owners manual barely provides extra information. I've tried altering the sound compression setting (which I think is the "DRC" setting) to all three options, but none of them have fixed it. though turning DRC "on" or to "Auto" seems to make the noise a little quieter than when DRC is set to "off".

Its possible I got a lemon, but I thought I'd check about how to control the sound, first.

and on to some initial observations:

From a Blu-ray is exactly the same as my 60GB PS3, other than some slight color and/or percieved brightness differences. My PS3 is overall a notch darker (which I actually think is due to cyan coming through a little stronger with the S390), but also displays a tiny bit more complexity/subtlety to reds than the S390, with the same exact image settings on the TV. All other things, sharpness, percieved detail, shadow detail, etc, are the same. I don't doubt that if each was properly calibrated, they'd probably be exactly the same in all areas.

No problems so far playing high bitrate 1080i H.264 video wrapped in an MKV container or an mpeg/avi container. Image quality with said video played from a USB stick is exactly the same as my 60gb PS3, with aforementioned slight differences found with blu-ray playback. Sony's image algorithms must be basically the same across its products. Whereas my LG plasma TV renders video from a USB stick with noticeably more clarity and sharpness, without appearing overly sharp.

What happens if you unplug the HDMI cable. Do you still hear noise on the analog outputs? Could be a weird ground loop issue?
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post #1072 of 3464
5/23/12 at 9:48am
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Does anyone know if there is a way to specify how the 390 outputs audio? I bought one recently and it seems to just spit audio out both the HDMI and the analog at the same time. I.E. I get sound from both my TV and from my external analog connected speakers. The only way for me to get around this, is to actually go into my TV's audio settings and actually turn off the speakers. If my TV didn't have this option (some don't) I would actually have to manually turn the TV's volume down completely to avoid an "echo" effect. and the opposite, if I want sound only from the TV, the TV speakers are "on" with and I have to cut power to the external analog speakers.

It wouldn't be a big deal except that the sound to both the TV (sound recieved over HDMI) and my bookshelf speakers and sub (sound via red/white analog) has a bunch of fizzy noise in it and wonder if its because its outputting sound both places at the same time? I've tried the stock analog cables, some aftermarket analog cables, and two different HDMI cables (a brand new Amazon basics cable and a 3 year old "Rosewill" brand braided cable. Rosewill is Newegg's housebrand). My PS3 outputs crystal clear sound on my setup.


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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

What happens if you unplug the HDMI cable. Do you still hear noise on the analog outputs? Could be a weird ground loop issue?

I will have to try that. I guess I will also try plugging the thing in straight to the wall, instead of through the surge protector.

the noise is especially noticeable when people are talking. For some reason it tends to "wrap" dialogue.


Additionally I would like to say that I don't miss have a built-in front display on the player at all. (the 390 doesn't have one). I'm coming from a PS3 and Sony has plenty of info screens to see what's what with your resolution/framerate/bitrate/sound type, etc.

I do miss using the PS3 controller as a remote, though. having those distinctly shaped and located buttons is great for controlling playback. with a standard remote, its mostly a bunch of rectangles. I have to look at it for just about everything.
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post #1073 of 3464
5/23/12 at 11:29am
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I do miss using the PS3 controller as a remote, though. having those distinctly shaped and located buttons is great for controlling playback. with a standard remote, its mostly a bunch of rectangles. I have to look at it for just about everything.

Huh--I never heard anyone express a preference for the use of the PS3's game pad for use as a remote control . I personally bought the PS3 remote immediately and later the Harmony adapter.
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post #1074 of 3464
5/24/12 at 4:41am
So is Crackle even worth the effort? Seems to get a "network is down" error here and there during movies, and "retry" doesn't seem to ever work. Just started using it an hour or so ago though, so maybe its just a temporary routing issue. Shame if it isn't, I don't mind the lil commercials here and there and it has a lot of obscure films I'd like to watch.
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5/24/12 at 11:12am
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Huh--I never heard anyone express a preference for the use of the PS3's game pad for use as a remote control . I personally bought the PS3 remote immediately and later the Harmony adapter.

Yeah I know its different from what people usually say! I've got the feel down for play, pause, stop, fast forward, rewind, and chapter skip on the Sony remote for the S390, but anything else I have to look down for.

with the PS3 controller I don't have to look down for anything.

Another minor annoyance coming from a PS3---with the S390, fast forwarding is either fast or super fast. There's no medium or slow. Rewind seems to vary depending upon the source/disc. Overall, moving through a video is frustratingly hard to control/unpredictable.

with the PS3, you have a 1.5 fast forward that keeps dialog still understandable! and the next step after that is a nice predictable medium speed. and then of course you have a fast and a super fast.

I haven't been able to eliminate the fuzz/noise with the 390. I tried plugging the system straight to the wall and I put a ferrite wrap on the power cable right at the plug. I think it just has cheap DACs. It may be worth it to ask for a replacement, but I wonder if some people can test their analog outs for me with the 590/390 and report about how perceivable the noise is.

Strangely though, I feel like I'm hearing the noise over the HDMI to the TV speakers, too. I didn't really specifically test that aspect last night. I will confirm that tonight.

Earlier I said the PS3's analog out is crystal clear----which is slightly misleading. If you pay close attention during quiet scenes of conversation, you can notice some noise. But for general usage, I've never had any complaints about the PS3's analog output. Its about as good as I could hope for. But with the S390, its been pretty easy to notice without trying. When I first got it, I wasn't even thinking about comparing the sound quality. I was just thinking about image quality. That's how noticeable it is.

I don't doubt that my speakers could be poorly shielded as well, but again, with the PS3 it hasn't been an issue.
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post #1076 of 3464
5/24/12 at 8:06pm
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The issue I was having (and other too) with Netflix and the display button (and subtitle button) is now all working correctly. With the revision, you can now select subtitles on the fly by pressing the button on the remote. No more weird behavior.
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post #1077 of 3464
5/24/12 at 10:09pm
Ok so I confirmed it, my 390 produces. Noise over analogue to my bookshelf speakers and noise over hdmi to my tv. The noise seems to primarily affect the midrange. So, dialogs is basically wrapped in noise. Sometimes it even sounds like two people are speaking when it's just one person. I used Casino Royale and Serenity as my primary tests. And yes, I turn off the tv speakers when using the bookshelfs and vice versa.
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post #1078 of 3464
5/24/12 at 10:11pm
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Originally Posted by Toptube View Post

Ok so I confirmed it, my 390 produces. Noise over analogue to my bookshelf speakers and noise over hdmi to my tv. The noise seems to primarily affect the midrange. So, dialogs is basically wrapped in noise. Sometimes it even sounds like two people are speaking when it's just one person. I used Casino Royale and Serenity as my primary tests. And yes, I turn off the tv speakers when using the bookshelfs and vice versa.

Odd. I would change it and get another one.
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post #1079 of 3464
5/24/12 at 11:55pm
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Originally Posted by Toptube View Post

Ok so I confirmed it, my 390 produces. Noise over analogue to my bookshelf speakers and noise over hdmi to my tv. The noise seems to primarily affect the midrange. So, dialogs is basically wrapped in noise. Sometimes it even sounds like two people are speaking when it's just one person. I used Casino Royale and Serenity as my primary tests. And yes, I turn off the tv speakers when using the bookshelfs and vice versa.

Before I returned the player I would get someone to help check that the setup isn't causing the noise. Either someone here in the thread or tech support should be able to help verify that it's not the setup. Are you going through an AVR to your speakers or your TV?

Are you sending stereo to your bookshelf speakers.

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noise over hdmi to my tv

What option are you using for audio with the HDMI connection, and is it going directly to the TV?
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post #1080 of 3464
5/25/12 at 9:05am
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Are you going through an AVR to your speakers or your TV?

Are you sending stereo to your bookshelf speakers.

I am not using any kind of reciever. The booshelf speakers are self powered and so is the subwoofer that is connected to them. I would think that a "stereo" would be the proper setting for them, but I also tried the "surround" setting as well, just to see if it changed anything.

So, the bookshelf speakers are connected directly to the player, via the red/white analogue audio outs. I did try the cables that were provided (the noise persisted), but I am currently using an aftermarket pair with gold connectors, some shielding, and is based around a twisted pair design (The noise and sound issues persist).

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What option are you using for audio with the HDMI connection, and is it going directly to the TV?

The HDMI is direct to the TV. With my PS3 when using the TV speaker for sound, I would just select "auto" and it always worked fine. So that's what I am inclined to choose for the S390. Especially since I don't need to make sure I'm utilizing any special sound formats, like lossless, due to just utilizing TV speakers over HDMI for late night viewing. I have tried other settings for the HDMI sound, but I can't remember exactly what. I can do some better documentation later, of what exactly I have tried. Though I can say I've tried most setting options and/or combonations.
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