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post #1591 of 3462
7/24/12 at 7:58am
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

Hi there,
Sony S590 does not support DIVX. Period. Doesn't matter whether on USB or DLNA. It's an artificaially created incompatibility. From the HW/SW point of view, it should be perfectly capable of playing DIVX. But, Sony wanted to save some money on licensing, so the implemented a check in the player: if the FourCC of the file is indicating it's DIVX, it will throw an error and wouldn't play. You can easily work around this problem by changing the FourCC code to XVID, google for a free tool to change FourCCs. So, it's not the name of the file, not MIME type on DLNA, it's just FourCC which is being checked. You can not solve the problem by simply renaming the file.
-Alex

Hi Alex,

Thanks for the clarification. I was being miss lead by posts on this forum saying people were playing Divx files, then when I didn't get them to play i was wondering if something was wrong.

I'm well aware of licensing issues, to a point, since most of the time most us models don't play divx files, and i was starting to question, if people were in the us playing divx files whether or not they were hacking the player illegally. I tend to be very conscious of such things with my professional background in production. Sounds like it was just a mis understanding on my part. So I apologize for wrongly interpreting the posts.
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post #1592 of 3462
7/24/12 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

Hi Alex,
Thanks for the clarification. I was being miss lead by posts on this forum saying people were playing Divx files, then when I didn't get them to play i was wondering if something was wrong.
I'm well aware of licensing issues, to a point, since most of the time most us models don't play divx files, and i was starting to question, if people were in the us playing divx files whether or not they were hacking the player illegally.

No need to hack the player. Just hack a file ;-) Or use DLNA with transcoding, like I'm doing ;-) I'm to lazy to patch all my old Divx files, so I just transcode on-the-fly with serviio. Can only recommend it. Works perfectly with this BDP, even after FW update on S590. Only the profile needs to be modified slightly, as I was describing in my previous post...
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post #1593 of 3462
7/24/12 at 8:30am
I use playback myself, I prefer the mac having worked in digital media and with my special needs, the mac os has always been the best for the visually impaired.

For the record I use playback, it's a Mac Native DLNA server that works perfectly with this player as well.

I'm not a fan of the free servers, have always had my reservations about Java, so have always tried to avoid it if possible. The only java server i used and paid for, was isedora when it was the only one i could get to work with the BDP-S570, sony did me a favor when it quit working with the firmware update. I got something better smile.gif

But since i've mentioned this server software a few times, here is a link:

http://www.yazsoft.com/products/playback/

Hope someone with a mac finds this useful smile.gif
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post #1594 of 3462
7/24/12 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

I use playback myself, I prefer the mac having worked in digital media and with my special needs, the mac os has always been the best for the visually impaired.
For the record I use playback, it's a Mac Native DLNA server that works perfectly with this player as well.
I'm not a fan of the free servers, have always had my reservations about Java, so have always tried to avoid it if possible. The only java server i used and paid for, was isedora when it was the only one i could get to work with the BDP-S570, sony did me a favor when it quit working with the firmware update. I got something better smile.gif
But since i've mentioned this server software a few times, here is a link:
http://www.yazsoft.com/products/playback/
Hope someone with a mac finds this useful smile.gif

Apologies. I was using "xvid" a bit interchangeably with "divx" (been years since I've encoded anything with either, so don't think about them too much). I wasn't thinking of the later formats that DIVX implies that are NOT (nor never have been) supported natively in the US. Transcoding will be your only route for those (as you are well aware). Again, sorry if I lead to any confusion on that.
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post #1595 of 3462
7/24/12 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

Apologies. I was using "xvid" a bit interchangeably with "divx" (been years since I've encoded anything with either, so don't think about them too much). I wasn't thinking of the later formats that DIVX implies that are NOT (nor never have been) supported natively in the US. Transcoding will be your only route for those (as you are well aware). Again, sorry if I lead to any confusion on that.

Not a Problem. Things are Good now, all sony needs to do now is correct the streaming bugs in netflix, though it's not something i use everyday so by the time i actually want it again i'm sure it will be fixed.

Overall I find this a nice solid player. I've always had very little trouble with sony products.

Oh i just tested Netflix, it loaded, but vudu still does not.
Edited by MacinMan - 7/24/12 at 9:14am
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post #1596 of 3462
7/24/12 at 10:08am
I thought I'd give an update, and say that both netflix, and vudu are functioning here again for the time being, on both my 590's must have been an issue with the Sony network. since no new firmware was released to fix the issue. Anyway let's see what others find out. The other thing that made me suspect it was a Sony network issue, is these players have to be registered with sony, before anything works..
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post #1597 of 3462
7/24/12 at 10:46am
Well, not that I'm glad there are problems, but I'm glad I'm not the only one (anymore) with Netflix issues after the update.

The person who posted the exchange with Sony support got a lot further than I did (before I posted my eariler post about 4 days ago)... after sending me to 4 completely useless links (and then getting huffy when I suggested I didn't explain well... I mean these links were completely useless) they told me to call netflix!

To be fair, I didn't even realize this player did Netflix when I got it - it's similarity to my (broken) PS3 is actually just a bonus. Except for the firmware BS (which I always hated with PS3 as well).
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post #1598 of 3462
7/24/12 at 12:51pm
Yep it looks like the Netflix issue is fixed on my 590.
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post #1599 of 3462
7/24/12 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by tmeader View Post

Yes, I'm in the US. US player. Not sure what the problem is with Serviio. Any reason you can't give PMS a shot?
Thanks. I never had much luck with PMS in the past, so will go with the serviio solution.
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

For all those who installed FW update and are having problems with serviio (no AVI playback):
This line in the profile for Sony BDP is causing the problem:...
THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!

Haven't tested it yet, but looks easy enough. I really appreciate your post.

I can attest that simply renaming a divx avi did indeed work on the previous firmware. Perhaps it was transcoding, but at least it played. Euro players apparently do (or did) support divx which is why I kept asking posters reporting success if they were US or not.

Thanks again.
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post #1600 of 3462
7/25/12 at 2:14am
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

No need to hack the player. Just hack a file ;-) Or use DLNA with transcoding, like I'm doing ;-) I'm to lazy to patch all my old Divx files, so I just transcode on-the-fly with serviio. Can only recommend it. Works perfectly with this BDP, even after FW update on S590. Only the profile needs to be modified slightly, as I was describing in my previous post...

Usually I can pick up on what's going on but not this time.

I tried a 4CC I found on the net and here's what I came up with. I may have clicked around a few times but remained confused. The file still plays on my laptop but not through the BD player using Serviio.







I also have Serviio set to transcode but that doesn't do anything.



I'm not sure what to use as a specific renderer profile. I use my laptop to stream to the BD player..



Lastly, what are you supposed to do with the codes in your last post? I can copy and paste with the best of them, but where to?

TIA
Edited by Hikertrash - 7/25/12 at 2:23am
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post #1601 of 3462
7/25/12 at 4:05am
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Originally Posted by Hikertrash View Post

Usually I can pick up on what's going on but not this time.
I tried a 4CC I found on the net and here's what I came up with. I may have clicked around a few times but remained confused. The file still plays on my laptop but not through the BD player using Serviio.
I also have Serviio set to transcode but that doesn't do anything.
I'm not sure what to use as a specific renderer profile. I use my laptop to stream to the BD player..
Lastly, what are you supposed to do with the codes in your last post? I can copy and paste with the best of them, but where to?
TIA

Hi there,

when using Code Changer, you need to change both Description Code and Used Codec to those of Xvid. DX50 is wrong, it's DIVX.

Original Sony BDP profile of serviio wouldn't work any longer, no matter what you select in the serviio console. You need to modify it according to waht I've written, then stop server and start server again. Profile is located in the config directory of your serviio installation. Make a backup copy of that before modifying. If you screw it, serviio server will just not start up.

-Alex
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post #1602 of 3462
7/25/12 at 10:05am
I Think you need to change both fields in the 4CC Changer program to XVID, not just the top one as you have shown. I did this and now my Divx files play as XVID.

As to the other changes he recommended you need to find the profiles.xml file inside the serviio program folder. Back up a copy first, then attempt the changes.

Good luck.
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post #1603 of 3462
7/25/12 at 10:07am
Well, I tried loading in a previous firmware version from Sony UK site and it would not load - gives me the "Already Updated" message. If anybody knows a secret key sequence that sometimes engineering puts into players to force a firmware reload let me know! I now have a Case # assigned and am at Level 7 tech support at San Diego. The tech there was a bit more sympathetic with my issue with the current firmware breaking the ability to play back the Windows Media Center Recorded TV files which have a wtv (sorry my first post said mtv :-) ) file type. If I understand this is the container type MCE puts the recorded MPEG2 video stream into? The tech asked me to try a different DLNA server. He even suggested serviio so I told him I have a link to Homestream which is a Sony UK rebranded serviio DLNA server app and he said install it. I did, booted up the TV/s590 and it sees Homestream but same issue -> No playable files found error message (and yes I added my Recorded TV folder to Homestream sharing locations). He then asked me to make a small TV recording in the .wtv format and send it to him which I did last night.

aLexx - I do have the configuration file for Homestream/serviio and see the Sony BluRay profile section. Is there a way to modify it to make the .wtv based files now play on the s590 from this serviio server? Thanks.
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post #1604 of 3462
7/25/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

For all those who installed FW update and are having problems with serviio (no AVI playback):
This line in the profile for Sony BDP is causing the problem:
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile name="MPEG_PS_PAL,MPEG_PS_NTSC" mime-type="video/mpeg">AVI</MediaFormatProfile>
Remove this line, and replace it with following:
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile  mime-type="video/avi">AVI</MediaFormatProfile>
And voila, AVIs are working again. S590 is capable of playing video/avi MIME type, and this is a correct MIME type for AVI files. The previosly used conversion was done for old sony BDPs which couldn't understand video/avi.
You can also use
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile  mime-type="video/x-xvid">AVI</MediaFormatProfile>
With the same results, as video/x-xvid is also supported.
Of course, player would still not play DIVX-encoded files, only XVID-encoded ones. To solve this problem, you need to transcode DIVX. For this, find the following section in the BDP profile:
Code:
<Video targetACodec="ac3" targetContainer="mpegts" targetVCodec="mpeg2video"> 
<Matches container="asf"/> 
<Matches container="flv"/> 
<Matches container="ogg"/> 
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="dvvideo"/> 
<!-- digital camera video formats -->
 <Matches container="avi" vCodec="mjpeg"/> 
<Matches container="mp4" vCodec="mjpeg"/> </Video>
and replace it with following:
Code:
<Video targetACodec="ac3" targetContainer="mpegts" targetVCodec="mpeg2video"> 
<Matches container="flv"/> 
<Matches container="ogg"/> 
<Matches container="avi" /> 
<Matches container="mp4" vCodec="mjpeg"/> </Video>
It will transcode all AVI though. So, only use it if you have lots of DIVX-encoded files. Otherwise, it might be more effective just to change the FOURCC codes of those files to those corresponding to XVID encoder. Sony is really checking FOURCC codes, and if it's those of DIVX - it will not play. No way to fool it with mime type.
By the way, did you notice that I removed the "asf" transcode as well? That's because S590 would play WMV natively, no transcode is required. The transcode was required for older players only...
Anyway, with that changes you should be able now to play all the AVI and WMV files.
And for MKV, find following section:
Code:
<Video targetContainer="mpegts"> 
<Matches container="matroska"/> 
<!-- remux mp4 container files to mpeg-ts to allow seeking -->
<!-- this also fixes the renderer's jerky playback of mov container files such as iPhone 4 HD video recordings -->
 <Matches container="mp4" vCodec="h264"/> 
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264"/> </Video>
And replace it with:
Code:
<Video targetContainer="mpegts"> 
 <Matches container="mp4" vCodec="h264"/> 
<Matches container="avi" vCodec="h264"/> </Video>
Now search for:
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile mime-type="video/divx">MATROSKA</MediaFormatProfile>
and remove this line. S590 would then play MKVs natively as video/x-matroska MIME type...
Hope this helps one or another frustrated owner ;-)


Thank you for this post it was extremely helpful.

I have two units, one with the previous firmware version , and one with the recent update. After making the changes above to the serviio profile, the unit with the new firmware plays just about everything with Serviio, but I noticed that it only plays most MP4s, when Serviio is transcoding. When I turn off transcoding it plays virtually none of my MP4s. It now plays my AVIs great without transcoding as most of them contain XVID ( or DIVX which I changed the 4cc to XVID) .

Ironically, the unit with the previous firmware version plays just about everything, even with transcoding off. So it is playing natively.

Any thoughts here ? How can I get the new firmware to play mp4 files natively.

Thanks again.
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post #1605 of 3462
7/25/12 at 10:20am
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

I just picked up a 590 and tried to stream also. I use twonky for my 790 and thought it should work with this player.
I get the same issue as you. All the files say corrupt.
I then tried my Nero media share server and all the files once again play.
I noticed that with twonky it stated the file was MPEG containet. The file is ACV and m2ts container.
When using Nero, it said it was m2ts, as it should.
Weird

Hi Guys,

Sorry if this has been covered before but I couldn't see it in the thread...

For those who are having problems with Twonky after updating to firmware M11.R.0422, just remove the following lines from "Sony_Blu-Ray_Player.xml"
Code:
<DeviceQuirks>
        <Quirk>ADDITIONAL_MPEG_RES</Quirk>
</DeviceQuirks>

Restart Twonky and everything should be working again.

Colin
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post #1606 of 3462
7/25/12 at 1:00pm
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Originally Posted by Rick2244 View Post

When I turn off transcoding it plays virtually none of my MP4s. .
Ironically, the unit with the previous firmware version plays just about everything, even with transcoding off. So it is playing natively.
Any thoughts here ? How can I get the new firmware to play mp4 files natively.
Thanks again.

Could you please elaborate a bit on that? What do you mean by 'transcoding off'? Switching it off in the console? The profile wouldn't actually transcode mp4 in the most cases. It will remux. So, if you are using the console to switch transcoding off, you are actually switching off remuxing of mp4 in most cases.

I can't compare as I only have one s590 with updated FW, but I guess in this case old FW was tolerating more things, new one less. Nothing you can do about it. But, remuxing isn't really bad. It's not reducing quality, it's just re-packaging the data, not re-encoding. I wouldn't bother fixing that.

So, please check whether it's remuxing or transcoding. Press display button while playing. If it's showing MPEG in the info line, then it's really transcoding. But I assume it's showing AVC or something different, in that case it's only remuxing and that's fine... Even slowest CPU can remux in real time without any quality loss...
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post #1607 of 3462
7/25/12 at 2:00pm
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

Hi there,
when using Code Changer, you need to change both Description Code and Used Codec to those of Xvid. DX50 is wrong, it's DIVX.
Original Sony BDP profile of serviio wouldn't work any longer, no matter what you select in the serviio console. You need to modify it according to waht I've written, then stop server and start server again. Profile is located in the config directory of your serviio installation. Make a backup copy of that before modifying. If you screw it, serviio server will just not start up.
-Alex

Oddly enough I checked another video and both windows showed up as xvid and that file also wouldn't play.

I then changed the single line of code (opened in Dreamweaver) and thought I broke the Serviio installation as it wouldn't restart and a pop up said it was "exiting". A reboot brought it back. So far everything I tried to play is playing.

Yeah, much thanks!

One thing I don't understand is both my laptop and BD player show up as "inactive" Maybe someone can explain how Serviio got the device name (WMP) when my laptop is named Vostro (which shows up as the name listed under Serviio on the BD Player. On a whim I picked DirectV HD-DVT as the profile since we had a DTV box like that.



Right now I'm really astounded. For a fairly inexpensive BD player, and a cheap Netgear router (WGR 614v10) I'm getting some serious results.
Edited by Hikertrash - 7/25/12 at 2:13pm
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post #1608 of 3462
7/25/12 at 2:54pm
Hey guys while i'm in the process of upgrades, I'm assuming the BDP-S590 has HDMI 1.4output. My cables are rated for 1.3a and my TVs are 1.3 Would buying a 1.4 rated cable make any difference in my circumstances ? or will the 1.3 cables continue to function correctly ? So far no problems, I just thought i'd ask since I just thought of it.

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post #1609 of 3462
7/25/12 at 3:59pm
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

Hey guys while i'm in the process of upgrades, I'm assuming the BDP-S590 has HDMI 1.4output. My cables are rated for 1.3a and my TVs are 1.3 Would buying a 1.4 rated cable make any difference in my circumstances ? or will the 1.3 cables continue to function correctly ? So far no problems, I just thought i'd ask since I just thought of it.
Thanks

HDMI ratings are all about bandwidth. 1.4a adds 3D, which is basically 1080p48. Since 1.3a and earlier supported 1080p60, which is more bandwidth than 1080p48 would be, you should be fine.
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post #1610 of 3462
7/25/12 at 4:05pm
Thanks, since i don't even have a 3D capable TV yet, sounds like i don't even need the 3D suport. I was curious though didn't 1.4 also added ethernet abilities over HDMI as well?
Since I haven't had a problem with my current cables, I won't worry about buying new ones. I was just curious about what was in the new spec beyond 3D support.

The first part of that question has been answered. If there is anything else I should know that might apply to a non 3D setup, let me know thanks.
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post #1611 of 3462
7/25/12 at 7:00pm
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Originally Posted by a-LeXx View Post

Could you please elaborate a bit on that? What do you mean by 'transcoding off'? Switching it off in the console? The profile wouldn't actually transcode mp4 in the most cases. It will remux. So, if you are using the console to switch transcoding off, you are actually switching off remuxing of mp4 in most cases.
I can't compare as I only have one s590 with updated FW, but I guess in this case old FW was tolerating more things, new one less. Nothing you can do about it. But, remuxing isn't really bad. It's not reducing quality, it's just re-packaging the data, not re-encoding. I wouldn't bother fixing that.
So, please check whether it's remuxing or transcoding. Press display button while playing. If it's showing MPEG in the info line, then it's really transcoding. But I assume it's showing AVC or something different, in that case it's only remuxing and that's fine... Even slowest CPU can remux in real time without any quality loss...


I turned off transcoding at the console. So per your definition, I guess that's just remuxing which isn't a big deal. Yes, the display line showed AVC in most cases.
Thanks for the clarification

Thanks again.
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post #1612 of 3462
7/26/12 at 11:16am
Well, haven't heard back from Sony L7 tech support yet on the .wtv file I sent them... In the mean time, encouraged and guided by a number of posters in this thread around serviio mods, I did install the Sony version of serviio, Homestream. Found the config folder and looked at the profile settings under Sony Blu-Ray players. In the section for video transcoding where targetContainer = mpeg2ts I added the additional entry: , and IT WORKED, using Homestream will now allow my s590 with latest .0430 firmware to play back my Windows Media Center recorded OTA TV shows which it encapsulates the MPEG2 video into a .wtv container. So I can now resume playing back my recorded TV shows on my s590!! Thanks all!
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post #1613 of 3462
7/26/12 at 4:57pm
Not working for me. Would you mind posting the whole line verbatim?

In fact, if someone could post the whole modified sony section for the xml file with all the changes posted so far, that would be fantastic.

Thanks
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post #1614 of 3462
7/26/12 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Not working for me. Would you mind posting the whole line verbatim?
In fact, if someone could post the whole modified sony section for the xml file with all the changes posted so far, that would be fantastic.
Thanks

This is all I did (in the Serviio config, Profile id="10", line 635)...

Replaced this line
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile name="MPEG_PS_PAL,MPEG_PS_NTSC" mime-type="video/mpeg">AVI</MediaFormatProfile>


With this line
:
Code:
<MediaFormatProfile  mime-type="video/avi">AVI</MediaFormatProfile>
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post #1615 of 3462
7/27/12 at 2:58am
Not to take the thread too much off topic, but is anyone else aware of a class action against netflix? I got an email this morning. I would paste it here, but it said not to copy or distributed the information enclosed, so I thought I'd ask if anyone else was aware of it?

I only heard anything about it since I restarted my membership. Nothing since.

Does this mean i should get rid of my account with them? Are they no longer a genuine legal video service? anyone know?

Thanks.

It says to Go to www.VideoPrivacyClass.com for more information.
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post #1616 of 3462
7/27/12 at 3:44am
To quote the document:
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...a lawsuit that alleges that the Defendant kept and disclosed information, including records of TV shows and movies viewed by its customers, in violation of the Video Privacy Protection Act and other laws. Netflix denies it has done anything wrong.

If it's what I think it is this suit has been going on for a couple of years. Netflix used to have a competition to improve its title recommendation algorithm. To this end they supplied competing engineering teams with real but "anonymized" data on their customers' viewing habits. A class action suit was brought which stopped the competition (the prize was a million dollars, which I believe they awarded to a winning team at least once). You can read a bit more about that here.

Don't worry--it's not any threat to the continued operation of Netflix. Class action suits like this one are generally profit generators for law firms. You enter the class to collect your $20 while the law firm gets 20 million rolleyes.gif. It's not like a suit against a pharmaceutical company that released a product which harmed your loved one--there's no real damage to members of the plaintiff class, just an abstract violation of their privacy rights.

Netflix was sued once before, for "disc throttling"--they were retarding the rate at which new discs were sent to their heaviest users. The courts made them detail the throttling policy in their terms of use and give out some trivial coupons to the class members. Of course the lawyers earned real cash biggrin.gif.
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post #1617 of 3462
7/28/12 at 5:40am
New owner of the BDP-BX59 (Costco equivalent to BDP-S590) and I'd like to report success with this unit so far after 3 days use. My main uses are BD, netflix, and pandora. All have been working properly and no issues to
report during setup except for SEN (wasn't available for a few hours) but determined I most likely won't be using it much anyway after it was available and i tried it. Much quicker and snappier operation gaining access using
XMB bar or netflix direct button. Guess they put SEN in there to help people who are used to that type of interface on other bd players like samsung, lg, and panasonic. I'm coming off 3 failed attempts at replacing a samsung
bd-p3600 which i may trade in at best buy since it's worth around $57. Tried 2 samsung bd-d6700 but 1st one wouldn't play a certain disk but ran netflix. 2nd samsung would play the disk but couldn't run netflix. Panasonic
dmp-bdt320 played the disc but had audio lag during netflix. I also have a samsung bd-c5500. If you prefer the dancing icons and cool looking interfaces over operation than go with the other players our use SEN on this player.
I prefer functioning, snappy, and smooth operation and am happy that sony gives you the option through XMB. Well done Sony. I'm not another person trying to justify their purchase as I read so much in amazon reviews. I'm
just trying to inform people who are on the fence. I actually made my determination to buy this player from reviews in panasonic dmp-bdt threads. A reviewer said that this player was much snappier. He was correct.
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post #1618 of 3462
7/29/12 at 3:42am
Nice review Mike. I don't use netflix much (I get bored watching the same handful of documentaries over and over again), but the 590's file support is the best in the business. It's fantastic that it has two usb slots as well.

It's amazing how much quieter the 590 is compared to the bx18 for example. Great value in a player.
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post #1619 of 3462
7/29/12 at 6:31am
I have to agree Mike,Ive tried 3 different Samsung players myself,and all experienced audio lag with certain netflix movies.I purchased the S590 and streamed the same netflix movies and experienced NO audio lag issues.I also spent time in comparing upscaling settings between the Samsung BD WISE setting along with cinema smooth,and the PQ was the same ,if not better on the S590 without those options.So far the S590 is superb!
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post #1620 of 3462
7/29/12 at 9:04am
Hello

I just purchased Sony BDP S-390 blu ray player to enjoy streaming video specifically connecting with HULU Plus.

Here is a question. I could adjust video quality (High/Medium/Low) from my PC, but I was unable to do the same using the blu ray player. The manual says I can by pressing "Options" It did pull up the menu, but there was no option to change video quality as far as I see.

Is there any way to do so?

I really appreciate for your help.


Thanks
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