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post #1771 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Rjmhotrod View Post

Switching the HDMI-CEC setting to off fixed the power down issue.
My wife hadn't returned the Hunger Games Bluray. With the audio setting on the disc set to Dolby Digital 5.1 English (5.1 Spanish is the only other option), the Onkyo automatically switches to "All Channel Stereo". Available modes are as follows: All Channel Stereo, Full Mono, Theater-Dimensional, Mono, PLII Movie, Neo:6 Cinema, THX Cinema (PLII and DTS Neo:6), Mono Movie, TV Logic.
Audio settings for the Sony BDP-S390 are as follows:
Audio (HDMI) = Auto
DSD Output mode = Off
BD Audio MIX Setting = On
Dolby Digital / DTS = Bitstream
DTS Neo:6 = Off
Auto DRC = Auto
Downmix = Surround

turn off BD audio mix, this prevents full HD audio or multi channel from being output.
post #1772 of 3992
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

turn off BD audio mix, this prevents full HD audio or multi channel from being output.

Thanks, MacinMan, for not simply replying RTFM (although you probably could/should have)!
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post #1773 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Rjmhotrod View Post

Thanks, MacinMan, for not simply replying RTFM (although you probably could/should have)!
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Nah, don't feel bad, it's a setting a lot of people don't understand. It basically mixes the audio down to include interactive audio functions such as sound effects on a blu-ray menu, or other functions.

Since it prevents full multi channel output, and most people don't need what it offers, it's best just to turn it off for reliable surround output.
post #1774 of 3992
I asked similar questions in 790 thread but since there are some hardware differencies between models I try this thread also.

Regarding 590's blu-ray picture quality, how does it compare against PS3?

I have compared PS3 to Pansonic BDT110 and in certain situations PS3 looks much better. My PS3 is dying (YLOD problem, I reflowed it couple of times already) and I need to find a replacement that has at least the same quality blu-ray picture and it would not hurt if DVD upscaling was also very good. I was wondering if Sony 590 would be good or should I just buy another PS3? What has kept me from buying another PS3 so far is that new models are slim versions and it seems they are slower than old fat versions in blu-ray playing (apparently at least slower blu-ray drive).

Also does anyone have information how Sony 590 handles 1080/24p decoding? Does it go through interlacer even it is not neccesary or is it clever like PS3 that simply pulls out and decodes 24p frames without unneccessary extra processing?
How responsive 590 is compared to PS3 when navigating players menu and disc menu?

Here in Europe Sony also sell 490 model which seems similar looking and it seems biggest difference is that 490 does not have WIFI. I was wondering if it is confimed anywhere that 490 and 590 are the same otherwise (like has 490 RGB output error like 590 and 790 and is there a firmware fix available for that)?
post #1775 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

I asked similar questions in 790 thread but since there are some hardware differencies between models I try this thread also.
Regarding 590's blu-ray picture quality, how does it compare against PS3?
I have compared PS3 to Pansonic BDT110 and in certain situations PS3 looks much better. My PS3 is dying (YLOD problem, I reflowed it couple of times already) and I need to find a replacement that has at least the same quality blu-ray picture and it would not hurt if DVD upscaling was also very good. I was wondering if Sony 590 would be good or should I just buy another PS3? What has kept me from buying another PS3 so far is that new models are slim versions and it seems they are slower than old fat versions in blu-ray playing (apparently at least slower blu-ray drive).
Also does anyone have information how Sony 590 handles 1080/24p decoding? Does it go through interlacer even it is not neccesary or is it clever like PS3 that simply pulls out and decodes 24p frames without unneccessary extra processing?
How responsive 590 is compared to PS3 when navigating players menu and disc menu?
Here in Europe Sony also sell 490 model which seems similar looking and it seems biggest difference is that 490 does not have WIFI. I was wondering if it is confimed anywhere that 490 and 590 are the same otherwise (like has 490 RGB output error like 590 and 790 and is there a firmware fix available for that)?

Firmware M12.R.0430 was released for the 490 in July. This is the same firmware version as the 390, 590 and 790 that included the RGB fix. I would therefore hazard a guess the RGB problem has also being addressed on the 490.
post #1776 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Thanks for the tip with Playback. This looks like a good one. Its got integration with iTunes, iPhoto and EyeTV. Very nice. I will give it a try and report back.
Right now I'm actually run two DLNA servers on a single iMac. Homestream and EyeConnect. Why ? Well, Homestream recognizes by M2TS files, where as EyeConnect doesn't .. and EyeConnect recognizes my EyeTV recordings, whereas Homestream doesn't !
Perhaps Playback will replace both of these !

Played around with Playback. It's ok. It was able to present MKVs and M2TS to the BDP590/790 correctly. Was unable to serve EyeTV content though. Seemed to just crash the player which is odd. Has iTunes and iPhone integration but didn't generate thumbnails for photo's despite selecting that option.

Overall ... it seems fine, but in all honesty you could set up Serviio or Homestream for free and save yourself a few bucks, so can't really recommend it. You're mileage may vary of course.
post #1777 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Fidelity View Post

Simple question: is there any picture quality differences between the BDP S390, 590, and 790? I'm speaking only to 2D Blu-ray PQ, none of the other features. Basically, is the video processor the same in all 3 models, or is the 790 better for regular 2D Blu-rays? Thanks!

For the 590 and 790, no. In Direct/Standard mode with all "features" disabled, they're identical in current firmware versions, right down to the incredibly slight errors they have in color decoding (you won't ever notice the errors, don't worry). I haven't tested the 390 so I can't say anything about it. If you don't need the hardware features of the 790, the improved DVD scaling (IMO), and aren't going to play around with the picture tweaks, then get the 590. The only thing you'd be losing then is the 790 loads really complex BD-J discs faster, but not that much faster.
post #1778 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Played around with Playback. It's ok. It was able to present MKVs and M2TS to the BDP590/790 correctly. Was unable to serve EyeTV content though. Seemed to just crash the player which is odd. Has iTunes and iPhone integration but didn't generate thumbnails for photo's despite selecting that option.
Overall ... it seems fine, but in all honesty you could set up Serviio or Homestream for free and save yourself a few bucks, so can't really recommend it. You're mileage may vary of course.

I've tried all three, and I would pick Servio over homestream, if i were to pick a java based server, as it's more fully featured. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Servio isn't free either for the pro features. It costs 25 for a license. Not sure if that would affect usage of a blu-ray disc player or not since i haven't used it longer then the 15 day trial period. I'll contact the developer of playback and see if he can correct the issues mentioned here, as I was aware of them, but didn't think about them much. EyeTV i don't own so that doesn't apply to me, thumbnails are nice, but the pictures displayed. So i'll see if i can get in contact with him and see if he can correct those issues. It hasn't been updated in a while.

The main reason I chose it as my primary server was I just never have really liked Java, i've always found it to be slower, and somewhat buggy compared to a cocoa, or other C application. I will say, in trying servio, the streaming did work well, and it didn't seem to bog down the computer, so those were both +s for me.

The other thing about playback is, you get a bundle with it. You pay the $15 for playback, and then get two other apps that would cost $20 together, as they are $10 each, for free. I find Unblunder a good tool if you trash something, you can get it back, even after emptying the trash. The attachments menu is nice too, though for me that's not a big use right now.
post #1779 of 3992
I have a panny 220 and sony 590. I'm using the sony at least 90% of the time, if not more. It's file support with serviio and usb is simply incredible. The sony's usability is so far superior relative to the panny as a result, it's a joke.

If you NEVER use serviio/dlna, or don't care about file support (aside from mp4), or really enjoy investing hours, days or weeks converting files into something compatible with the panny, and watch A LOT of dvd's, then the panny is a good choice. Seriously, panny's file support is just sad. It's too bad; the panny looks like a work of art, pretty interface, plays disks like a champ, but can barely play any files.

Sony's functionality is far superior.
post #1780 of 3992
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

I have a panny 220 and sony 590. I'm using the sony at least 90% of the time, if not more. It's file support with serviio and usb is simply incredible. The sony's usability is so far superior relative to the panny as a result, it's a joke.
If you NEVER use serviio/dlna, or don't care about file support (aside from mp4), or really enjoy investing hours, days or weeks converting files into something compatible with the panny, and watch A LOT of dvd's, then the panny is a good choice. Seriously, panny's file support is just sad. It's too bad; the panny looks like a work of art, pretty interface, plays disks like a champ, but can barely play any files.
Sony's functionality is far superior.

Do you see a lot difference between 220 and 590 speed and the way how they response to commands like navigating disc menu or skipping chapters? How responsive 590 settings menu is?
post #1781 of 3992
Sony is slower in the initial startup and app loading, but everything else is instant. Not sure why you singled out the settings menu, but it's instantaneous like the others. The biggest annoyance for me are the connection status messages. When you first start an app, Sony pops a message that you are now connected rather than just going straight into the app.
post #1782 of 3992
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

I've tried all three, and I would pick Servio over homestream, if i were to pick a java based server, as it's more fully featured. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but Servio isn't free either for the pro features. It costs 25 for a license. Not sure if that would affect usage of a blu-ray disc player or not since i haven't used it longer then the 15 day trial period. I'll contact the developer of playback and see if he can correct the issues mentioned here, as I was aware of them, but didn't think about them much. EyeTV i don't own so that doesn't apply to me, thumbnails are nice, but the pictures displayed. So i'll see if i can get in contact with him and see if he can correct those issues. It hasn't been updated in a while.
The main reason I chose it as my primary server was I just never have really liked Java, i've always found it to be slower, and somewhat buggy compared to a cocoa, or other C application. I will say, in trying servio, the streaming did work well, and it didn't seem to bog down the computer, so those were both +s for me.
The other thing about playback is, you get a bundle with it. You pay the $15 for playback, and then get two other apps that would cost $20 together, as they are $10 each, for free. I find Unblunder a good tool if you trash something, you can get it back, even after emptying the trash. The attachments menu is nice too, though for me that's not a big use right now.

Thanks.

A note about Serviio v Homestream. As far as I can tell, its only the streaming services that are removed from Homestream. My experience with accessing streaming content hasn't being very good. It seems pretty slow to start a stream.

Serviio free v Serviio Pro ... as far as I can tell, adds MediaBrowser web-based player, the API for accessing content over the Internet and Controlling access to shared content.

The media browser doesn't apply when you are using a supported DLNA client such as the 590. Not sure how useful the controlling access to shared content really is.
post #1783 of 3992
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

When you first start an app, Sony pops a message that you are now connected rather than just going straight into the app.

This only applies when you first turn the player on after it hasn't being used for a bit. It seems to go through some kind of additional authentication. I wish it didn't present the dialog after its done. Seems like it should just go on and launch the app.Once its out the way, and you don't turn the player off ... you're all set. If you turn the player off, and then back on within a pre-determined time, its still fine.
post #1784 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Thanks.
A note about Serviio v Homestream. As far as I can tell, its only the streaming services that are removed from Homestream. My experience with accessing streaming content hasn't being very good. It seems pretty slow to start a stream.
Serviio free v Serviio Pro ... as far as I can tell, adds MediaBrowser web-based player, the API for accessing content over the Internet and Controlling access to shared content.
The media browser doesn't apply when you are using a supported DLNA client such as the 590. Not sure how useful the controlling access to shared content really is.

I contacted the developer at yazsoft and now waiting to hear back. I mentioned the initial issues with photos and no thumbnails as i have that too but the eyetv is your issue alone since i don't own that hardware/software, so i mentioned a complaint posted on AVSForums by another user.

So i'll point them to this thread if they ask. I'll just keep you posted as to what I find out.
post #1785 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Big Lebowski View Post

Do you see a lot difference between 220 and 590 speed and the way how they response to commands like navigating disc menu or skipping chapters? How responsive 590 settings menu is?

All testing so far indicates the panny is significantly faster. However, I think I may have gotten one of the slower panny units (or one of the faster sony units?) as I don't notice a big difference in load speed. Keep in mind I use the panny relatively infrequently now: it is reserved for it's butt kicking dvd upconvert. smile.gif Huge nod to sony otherwise for functionality otherwise.
post #1786 of 3992
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

All testing so far indicates the panny is significantly faster. However, I think I may have gotten one of the slower panny units (or one of the faster sony units?) as I don't notice a big difference in load speed. Keep in mind I use the panny relatively infrequently now: it is reserved for it's butt kicking dvd upconvert. smile.gif Huge nod to sony otherwise for functionality otherwise.
I've owned the 220 (have the 210) but exchanged the 220 for the 590. The only difference I've noticed is the slower loading times for the 590. Navigating disc menus and skipping chapters doesn't seem much different.
post #1787 of 3992
Hi, I just got the player, but for some reason couldn't get he wireless setup...

This is what I did:

Network Settings
>
Internet Settings
> Then I am left with these options:

a) View Network Status
b) Wired Setup
c) USB Wireless Setup

None of them are using the built in wireless... When I select USB Wireless, it says I do not have the USB device.. but this player says it has a built in wireless, so how can i turn that option on?
post #1788 of 3992
^^^
What model exactly?
post #1789 of 3992
nevermind, figured it out
post #1790 of 3992
Does anyone know if BDP-S490 is the same as 590 expect WIFI? Is it confirmed that color gamut bug that was in 590 is fixed in 490 also?
Seems that 490 is better available where I live.
post #1791 of 3992
Thread Starter 
Sony updated the webservices/apps yesterday.

New apps:

Cinema Now (finally!)
Weather Nation (includes live streaming service in HD like quality)
Moviefone (HD Trailers)
Qello (HD Music Concerts)

SEN Portal:
Video and Music shown in dashboard now seems to be getting updated to reflect latest video unlimited and music unlimited releases.

Updated:
Amazon VOD.
Now supports Wishlists and revised User interface.
Edited by apw2607 - 8/23/12 at 6:54pm
post #1792 of 3992
Forgive me if this has been covered before, but If I want to use the 590 to browse the web, can I connect a Keyboard and a Mouse to the USB ports and browse like a regular PC??


Thanks
Edited by John Stockton - 8/22/12 at 7:33pm
post #1793 of 3992
Hi guys, I have a S490 which I think is essentially same hardware as s590 except that s590 has wifi built-in.

I was able to play Real media rmvb movie files off my thumbdrive inserted to the front USB port when I first got the s490. After updating to latest '430' firmware', rmvb files are no longer appearing for playback even thought they are on the thumbdrive.

I have read this thread on the dlna streaming and cinavia issues, and the solution by altering the config file. But my problem lies with playback on USB ports (not streaming) so I guess the solutions offered don't apply?

Any kind soul can recommend some remedy to my issues, please?
post #1794 of 3992
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Originally Posted by jtemp78 View Post

I just bought a Sony BPD-S390. Upon setting it up, I cannot get it to let me connect to the internet at all. After I enter in my wireless network and SSID, it says:
Wireless Connection: Ok
Internet Access: Failed
I've tried to go in and manually enter in my network information and I've tried to let it automatically do it for me. Nothing works. Any ideas???
Thanks in advance!!

I had this problem when I 1st setup my s490. Then I remember my smart tv was required to switch off the modem then switch on again for the Internet to work during initial setup. I tried that and it works on my s490. Try switching off the modem/router and switch it on again see if it works.
post #1795 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Sony updated the webservices/apps yesterday.
New apps:
Cinema Now (finally!)
Weather Nation (includes live streaming service in HD like quality)
Moviefone (HD Trailers)
Qello (HD Music Concerts)
SEN Portal:
Video and Music shown in dashboard now seems to be getting updated to reflect latest video unlimited and music unlimited releases.
Issues with Amazon VOD.
Currently unable to log in on the 590/790. However can do on my older Sony Bravia XBR9. The service has had a drastic update and now supports wishlists and a slightly modifed UI. I suspect this will roll out to the BDPs shortly.

If anyone still has a 570, it's still getting the new apps as well. The only thing that the 570 apparently doesn't have over the new players as far as web services go, is vudu.

As far as I can tell, most everything else is updated. I turned it on today just to poke around and saw it had weathernation, the only difference is, the version for the 570, doesn't seem to have the live stream button like the 590 does.

I haven't checked for Moviefone it already had CinemaNow.
post #1796 of 3992
Hi,

I might have missed it somewhere in this thread but is the Costco BX59x the exact same unit as the S590? No differences other than the included HDMI cable and Costco model number?
I have seen posts where people assume its the same but nowhere could I find a definitive answer.
Thanks
Ron
post #1797 of 3992
The definitive answer is they are exactly the same. This is not an assumption. Just look at the manual, starting with the cover. Then look for anything in the manual that applies to one model and not the other. You'll find a single reference on page 14 where the 59 has an HDMI cable and the 590 does not. They also use the same firmware, manual, and remote and are physically identical. Every price club sony model in history has been identical to it's retail counterpart aside from accessories. If you still don't believe it, ask sony.
post #1798 of 3992
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

The definitive answer is they are exactly the same. This is not an assumption. Just look at the manual, starting with the cover. Then look for anything in the manual that applies to one model and not the other. You'll find a single reference on page 14 where the 59 has an HDMI cable and the 590 does not. They also use the same firmware, manual, and remote and are physically identical. Every price club sony model in history has been identical to it's retail counterpart aside from accessories. If you still don't believe it, ask sony.

Thanks mdavej! I believed it was thew exact same, just didn't see it anywhere that it was for sure. Might be of value to have it posted on the first page of this thread, which is where i looked first.
Thanks for the answer!

Ron
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

If anyone still has a 570, it's still getting the new apps as well. The only thing that the 570 apparently doesn't have over the new players as far as web services go, is vudu.
As far as I can tell, most everything else is updated. I turned it on today just to poke around and saw it had weathernation, the only difference is, the version for the 570, doesn't seem to have the live stream button like the 590 does.
I haven't checked for Moviefone it already had CinemaNow.

Supporting the new wishlists feature with Amazon VOD is awesome. Note that the Sony players are some of the few out there that can play Dolby Digital 5.1 bitstream audio from Amazon.
post #1800 of 3992
YOUTUBE issue

1. I can't login to my youtube account even after jumping thru the 2 step verification process and defining a dedicated password for the Sony.... Any tips would be appreciated.

2. When I do a search for music videos, the "official" videos don't show up. The common denominator seems to be Adobe Flash videos from VEVO. Try finding the official version of Jason Derulo's Ridin' Solo or Lady Gaga's Born this Way. (don't judge, my 5 year old likes to dance).

Being able to watch youtube videos easily is a deal breaker so I need to figure this out or its going back.

Any ideas or is this a general issue or streaming bluray players???
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