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post #181 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

The MKV I had the following DTS audio info:

General / Container Stream #1
Total Video Streams for this File.................1
Total Audio Streams for this File.................3
Video Codecs Used.................................AVC
Audio Codecs Used.................................DTS-HD / DTS / PCM
File Format.......................................Matroska
Play Time.........................................2h 19mn
Total File Size...................................32.4 GiB
Total Stream BitRate..............................33.2 Mbps


Audio Stream #1
Codec.............................................DTS
Codec (FourCC)....................................A_DTS
Audio Stream Length...............................2h 19mn 50s 5ms
Audio Stream BitRate..............................2 596 Kbps / 1 510 Kbps
Audio Stream BitRate Mode.........................VBR
Number of Audio Channels..........................6
Audio Channel's Positions.........................Front: L C R, Side: L R, LFE
Sampling Rate.....................................48.0 KHz
Bit Depth.........................................24 bits
Audio Stream Title................................Lossless

I'm not sure what DTS "HD" really is according to the file inspector. When I playback that file on the S590, my receiver shows "DTS High Resolution" ....

I need to find a proper DTS - MA file to test I guess.

thanks,


does this cinavia affect only US players?
does it affect only bluray discs or files also?

i create my mkv's using 'pavtube bytecopy' from original blurays, would these be affected?
post #182 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Interesting. Did you install the latest firmware? Are you replacing with a another one, or going to a different player?

I replaced it with the same player last night. The faulty one had the latest firmware.

The replacement seems to be working fine after popping in a few disks. I think it was just a bad drive.
post #183 of 3992
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

There are converter boxes out there that will do HDMI -> Component but the good units cost as much or more than many of these BD players.

Jason

Thanks for reminding us that HDMI has been broken.

All of the DRM associated with Blu-ray has been broken, and broken in such a way that it is only mildly inconvenient to do it. Not even rocket science, just requires a little googling.

Once again, the old axiom has been verified: DRM hurts honest consumers but doesn't affect serious pirates.

So we have people scraping perfectly good component-only HDTV's for no good reason at all.
post #184 of 3992
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Originally Posted by ciaran75 View Post

thanks,


does this cinavia affect only US players?
does it affect only bluray discs or files also?

i create my mkv's using 'pavtube bytecopy' from original blurays, would these be affected?

All players, worldwide.

You can read all about it here, and how it works http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinavia
post #185 of 3992
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Originally Posted by bpc4 View Post

I replaced it with the same player last night. The faulty one had the latest firmware.

The replacement seems to be working fine after popping in a few disks. I think it was just a bad drive.

Good to know. Perhaps there was a batch of them that were faulty.
post #186 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Cortiz View Post

Has anyone been able to compared the boot/loading time of the new models and last year 80's models?

Not done extensive A-B testing, as I know longer have a 80 to compare to, but I didn't notice much difference. The quick start feature, to boot the player up is almost instant. Loading times of DVDs and BDs seem fine to me.
post #187 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Rich86 View Post

Fortunately, those of us who already own players purchased before February, 2012 can avoid the infection. I am happy to be in that category.

Maybe. In the end you may find you have to update the firmware (which may include this DRM system), in order to view a certain disk or watch certain streaming content. Depending on how they roll this out to older players.
post #188 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Maybe. In the end you may find you have to update the firmware (which may include this DRM system), in order to view a certain disk or watch certain streaming content. Depending on how they roll this out to older players.

Well, at the end of the day, Cinavia will be on everything and you won't be able to avoid it - otherwise, newer BDs will fail to play at all without running the latest firmware (remember when Avatar came out?).

How this movie ends (pun intended) is we stop using BD players as streamers and move to one of many HDD-based, low-cost boxes from Taiwan running Linux and some open source media playback software with an adaptation of XBMC as the user interface. Then you will be able to play whatever video you have without difficulty.

Hard drives keep getting bigger and cheaper, so the size of 1080p videos won't matter, unless everyone moves to 4K video, in which case you will need a SAN to store your movie collection.
post #189 of 3992
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Originally Posted by rlsmith View Post

Once again, the old axiom has been verified: DRM hurts honest consumers but doesn't affect serious pirates.

They don't expect any of this stuff to deter serious piracy. It's all for the purpose of "keeping honest people honest". I've seen this writ large many times in white papers. They don't want you to have the ability to rip "back up" copies of discs that you buy.
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

How this movie ends (pun intended) is we stop using BD players as streamers and move to one of many HDD-based, low-cost boxes from Taiwan running Linux and some open source media playback software with an adaptation of XBMC as the user interface. Then you will be able to play whatever video you have without difficulty.

This is probably true. I'd say that the commercial streamers like Boxee and WD TV Live would always be safe from this but someone will just slip Cinavia detection on all played content into the licensing requirements for one or more of the DRM systems used by the streaming content providers.
post #190 of 3992
Ordered the S590 from Amazon on March 18 as a pre-order and just received an email from them this morning stating that my unit would be shipping sometime between April 16 and April 25. A bit longer than I anticipated, but it gives me plenty of time to peruse this thread to decide if I made the right choice. Already have the PS3 and an Oppo BDP-83. Was going to get an Oppo BDP-93, but since this new unit will probably end-up in the bedroom eventually, I'll wait until I upgrade my main system before I get another high-end Blu-ray player. Never know what Oppo (or some other manufacturer) will come up with in the meantime.

- da Choge
post #191 of 3992
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Originally Posted by da Choge View Post

Ordered the S590 from Amazon on March 18 as a pre-order and just received an email from them this morning stating that my unit would be shipping sometime between April 16 and April 25. A bit longer than I anticipated, but it gives me plenty of time to peruse this thread to decide if I made the right choice. Already have the PS3 and an Oppo BDP-83. Was going to get an Oppo BDP-93, but since this new unit will probably end-up in the bedroom eventually, I'll wait until I upgrade my main system before I get another high-end Blu-ray player. Never know what Oppo (or some other manufacturer) will come up with in the meantime.

- da Choge

The 590 is in stock now if you don't mind getting it shipped from J&R rather than amazon direct. Free shipping I believe.
post #192 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Maybe. In the end you may find you have to update the firmware (which may include this DRM system), in order to view a certain disk or watch certain streaming content. Depending on how they roll this out to older players.

Agreed. Of course they do not have to roll anything out to older players. There is no indication if older players can even handle constantly scanning audio tracks on a title looking for whatever it is they stuff into the audio track.

I also have no intentions of using a blu-ray player for streaming since my TV can handle that if I want, and if a title requires me to install cinavia infected firmware, I plan to pass on that title. I already avoid purchasing most cinavia infected titles and mostly rent them only. Needless to say, I also have no plans to purchase a new player either (I have 3 players, I expect I am good to go for quite some time).
post #193 of 3992
Well, I got my S390 this afternoon (surprisingly the UPS guy turned up with it at 3:30--usually they don't show up with things I'm eagerly awaiting until around 7 PM ). I checked out the three streaming players that I care about and BD playback and everything seems decent and as expected: Netflix with 1080p/CC/bitstreamed DD+ 5.1 with a PS3-like info overlay activated with the DISPLAY button (I love that), VUDU with bitstreamed DD+ 5.1 and Amazon with bitstreamed DD 5.1. The Amazon player GUI is pretty sucky and its playback start time is probably the slowest I've experienced. It's bearable, but hopefully it'll get updated in the future. The Netflix GUI is much more responsive than the BDT220's, though it does lag behind in updating the title info pane (the PS3 player doesn't but it can't bitstream Netflix DD+).

One deficiency versus the BDT220 is the lack of an SD card slot, though I suppose if I just had to use an SD card I could use a USB reader, but not simultaneously with using a USB flash or HDD drive. I'll have to find another use for the one in my BDT220. I'm wondering if you can store both BD Live content and other media files on a USB drive. I'll try it and see. The dual USB connections on the BDP-S590 are beginning to seem much more interesting.

I noticed that I had to change one of the default settings to get bitstreamed audio from BD: "Setup->Audio Settings->BD Audio MIX Settings" is ON by default and has to be set to OFF or it will render audio into multichannel LPCM so that it can mix BD interactive audio content into it. (I've always disliked the XMB on the PS3 but I find that I like it a ton more than the Panasonic BD player menus; it's frickin' wonderful by comparison ).
post #194 of 3992
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I'm wondering if you can store both BD Live content and other media files on a USB drive. I'll try it and see. The dual USB connections on the BDP-S590 are beginning to seem much more interesting.

Yup, you can. That works fine. The player creates a special folder called BDdata or something like that. The rest of the USB drive is then yours to do what you wish.
post #195 of 3992
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(I've always disliked the XMB on the PS3 but I find that I like it a ton more than the Panasonic BD player menus; it's frickin' wonderful by comparison ).

Yea, I tend to agree. The XMB interface zips along on these 2012 players. Although its a bit tacky, but I like the gracenote feature where it goes off to gracenote and pulls cover art and other meta data for the disk you put in the player. That cover art is then visible in the XMB. You can browse additional data about Director, Actor, etc ...

Sure, you can use your iPhone to do the same, but sometimes I dont have it to hand and I actually discovered a new movie I had not seen that was related to the Bluray I had in the machine .... So that was kinda cool.
post #196 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Yup, you can. That works fine. The player creates a special folder called BDdata or something like that. The rest of the USB drive is then yours to do what you wish.

I bought a 16GB version of that flat little USB drives that you hyped back here (thanks) briefly tried to liberate it from it's ridiculous hermetically sealed package and gave up (it's like they're trying to make it difficult to return a defective unit by forcing you to mangle the package beyond all recognition ). Time to get back to digging it out .
post #197 of 3992
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Someone posted a review of the 590 on amazon giving it 1 star. They said it wouldn't play their bluray disks.

I tired 20 odd bluray disks from a variety of studios tonight, some that BD live intros (universal) and not one issue ... So not really sure what's going on here ....

I do have a 4gb flash drive in the rear USB port.

Guys, can you look into this. I read this review as well, apparently this guy claims that all disney blurays will not playback on this player. So the guy made a call to Sony and they said that the player has very little memory and that he needs to use a flash drive plugged into the usb port to give the system the memory it needs.

Once he did that, he had success with playback. Is this is a more common trend we can expect with bd players? Manufacturers cutting costs by not implementing proper memory into their players?

I don't mind buying a $10 flash drive with 4 gigs of space, but I'm twiddling my thumbs wondering if I should purchase this player or wait for something more capable. The BDT 220 from Panny, that required a 1 gig sd card for bd-live playback too right? Are they are all getting to be like this?

But even more important, will it playback all blurays properly with the flash drive?
post #198 of 3992
Tricky question. They're forcing the consumer to pay for memory, but also offering additional flexibility in file playback with usb and sd card slots.

FYI, I've tried 3 different usb flash drives without success on a panasonic 2011 blu ray player.
post #199 of 3992
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Originally Posted by audio/videoman View Post

Tricky question. They're forcing the consumer to pay for memory, but also offering additional flexibility in file playback with usb and sd card slots.

FYI, I've tried 3 different usb flash drives without success on a panasonic 2011 blu ray player.

Panasonic players has always used memory cards.USB flash drives are use on the Sony's.
post #200 of 3992
At least Sony isn't forcing us to use their proprietary memory stick.
post #201 of 3992
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Originally Posted by avspace View Post

Guys, can you look into this. I read this review as well, apparently this guy claims that all disney blurays will not playback on this player. So the guy made a call to Sony and they said that the player has very little memory and that he needs to use a flash drive plugged into the usb port to give the system the memory it needs.

Once he did that, he had success with playback. Is this is a more common trend we can expect with bd players? Manufacturers cutting costs by not implementing proper memory into their players?

I don't mind buying a $10 flash drive with 4 gigs of space, but I'm twiddling my thumbs wondering if I should purchase this player or wait for something more capable. The BDT 220 from Panny, that required a 1 gig sd card for bd-live playback too right? Are they are all getting to be like this?

But even more important, will it playback all blurays properly with the flash drive?

I've being able to play both BD with and without the flash drive. The flash drive is only required for BD-Live content, and will let you know if there is no flash drive there (or BD-Live setting is disabled).

I dont have any Disney BD's to try..... but certainly content from Sony, Fox, Warners, Lionsgate, MGM, Universal, and Sony all seem to playback fine.

I'm sure there will be disks that run into issues, but that's with all players.

As far as "all Disney Disks" don't work ... I can't say as I can't validate that. Hopefully someone else might be able to contribute. Failing that, I guess I could rent one from Netflix !
post #202 of 3992
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

I noticed that I had to change one of the default settings to get bitstreamed audio from BD: "Setup->Audio Settings->BD Audio MIX Settings" is ON by default and has to be set to OFF or it will render audio into multichannel LPCM so that it can mix BD interactive audio content into it. (I've always disliked the XMB on the PS3 but I find that I like it a ton more than the Panasonic BD player menus; it's frickin' wonderful by comparison ).

Somewhat ignorant question, but regarding bitstream audio from BD, is this the preferred method? Does this then send the 1/0's to the A/V receiver to determine the audio output?

I just set up my player last night as well as a new Onkyo 709 receiver and JVC RS40 projector so, to say the least, am hookup and configuration overwhelmed. This is a big shift from my previous setup (first time into BluRay, etc). Everything's working fine, but I'm early in the learning curve on what's actually doing the audio/video processing, etc. I did struggle during my test last night with Dark Night BluRay with DolbyHD and could not get that as an option on my Onkyo for playback which it does support.

Any recommendations/suggestions for this full new setup would be appreciated or any links. Trust me, I've been all over AVS forums, but it gets pretty overwhelming with all the new equipment I have to figure out.

Thanks.
post #203 of 3992
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Somewhat ignorant question, but regarding bitstream audio from BD, is this the preferred method? Does this then send the 1/0's to the A/V receiver to determine the audio output?

I just set up my player last night as well as a new Onkyo 709 receiver and JVC RS40 projector so, to say the least, am hookup and configuration overwhelmed. This is a big shift from my previous setup (first time into BluRay, etc). Everything's working fine, but I'm early in the learning curve on what's actually doing the audio/video processing, etc. I did struggle during my test last night with Dark Night BluRay with DolbyHD and could not get that as an option on my Onkyo for playback which it does support.

Any recommendations/suggestions for this full new setup would be appreciated or any links. Trust me, I've been all over AVS forums, but it gets pretty overwhelming with all the new equipment I have to figure out.

Thanks.

The only way to get HD audio out of a bluray player (DTS-HD master audio, etc) is to turn OFF the BD Audio Mix setting. Why is it on by default? Well probably because the majority of people don't care about DTS versus DTS-HD. But they would care that they can't hear their BD interactive audio track. So its less hassle for the manufactures and content providers. So most manufacturers have this setting on by default.

If you scroll up through this thread I listed out my settings for the player. You may find the information useful.
post #204 of 3992
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The only way to get HD audio out of a bluray player (DTS-HD master audio, etc) is to turn OFF the BD Audio Mix setting. Why is it on by default? Well probably because the majority of people don't care about DTS versus DTS-HD. But they would care that they can't hear their BD interactive audio track. So its less hassle for the manufactures and content providers. So most manufacturers have this setting on by default.

If you scroll up through this thread I listed out my settings for the player. You may find the information useful.

Another thing to be aware of: you need to send bitstream and not LPCM. The Sony players cannot decode the DTS-HD to LPCM and will, instead, use the core lossy dts track (i.e. 1.5 Mbps).

Why do you care about this? Because few AVRs can both decode the HD bitstream *and* apply processing for enhanced surround modes (e.g. Yamaha's Cinema DSP). You have to go to the high-end in AVRs to avoid this problem (or buy a better BD player - the Oppo and Denon models, for example).

Frankly, in my ad-hoc listening tests, I can quickly discern the lower bit rate Dolby AC-3 (DD 5.1) from dts (core 5.1) - the 1.5Mbps dts sounds noticeably better than the 448 kbps AC-3. However, going from 1.5 Mbps core dts to the roughly 4Mbps dts-HD - I really can't tell the difference with a typical movie soundtrack.

My guess is that most others can't either, hence: the BD mix setting is on by default to avoid the technical support call from a customer wondering why they can't hear the commentary on the 'special edition' version of their favorite movie.
post #205 of 3992
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Originally Posted by avspace View Post

Guys, can you look into this. I read this review as well, apparently this guy claims that all disney blurays will not playback on this player. So the guy made a call to Sony and they said that the player has very little memory and that he needs to use a flash drive plugged into the usb port to give the system the memory it needs....

We have watched a multitude of Disney/Pixar movies on my s390 and I have no USB installed, nor have I encountered any issues or requests to stick in a USB. I have the most recent firmware installed.

The following is a list of all the moves I can confirm we have watched with absolutely no issues:

Blu-Ray:
Lion King
Beauty and the Beast
Toy Story 1-3
Tangled
Wall-E
Cars
Bug's Life

DVD
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc
Sleeping Beauty
Incredibles
Pinocchio
post #206 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

Another thing to be aware of: you need to send bitstream and not LPCM. The Sony players cannot decode the DTS-HD to LPCM and will, instead, use the core lossy dts track (i.e. 1.5 Mbps).

Your proof of this is your ear or is there some documentation?
post #207 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Stryprod View Post

We have watched a multitude of Disney/Pixar movies and I have no USB installed, nor have I encountered any issues or requests to stick in a USB. I have the most recent firmware installed.

The following is a list of all the moves I can confirm we have watched with absolutely no issues:

Blu-Ray:
Lion King
Beauty and the Beast
Toy Story 1-3
Tangled
Wall-E
Cars
Bug's Life

DVD
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc
Sleeping Beauty
Incredibles
Pinocchio

Thanks for the feedback guys, I wonder if this guy got a defective player? I guess we'll see how this playback problem pans out as more people buy this player and test it out.
post #208 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

Another thing to be aware of: you need to send bitstream and not LPCM. The Sony players cannot decode the DTS-HD to LPCM and will, instead, use the core lossy dts track (i.e. 1.5 Mbps).

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I don't think so. Any modern BD player will decode DTS-HD to PCM and send full HD audio.
post #209 of 3992
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Originally Posted by Stryprod View Post

We have watched a multitude of Disney/Pixar movies and I have no USB installed, nor have I encountered any issues or requests to stick in a USB. I have the most recent firmware installed.

The following is a list of all the moves I can confirm we have watched with absolutely no issues:

Blu-Ray:
Lion King
Beauty and the Beast
Toy Story 1-3
Tangled
Wall-E
Cars
Bug's Life

DVD
Finding Nemo
Monsters Inc
Sleeping Beauty
Incredibles
Pinocchio

Thanks for confirming this. Is this tested with the s390 or S590 ?
post #210 of 3992
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Thanks for the feedback guys, I wonder if this guy got a defective player? I guess we'll see how this playback problem pans out as more people buy this player and test it out.

... or user error perhaps? Now you do have to plug the player in to the electrical outlet. That's step 1. ;-)
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