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post #2311 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Jake76 View Post

Does the US model of the Sony BDP-S590 support .avi files on USB / disc?

I downloaded the pdf manual from the Sony site and it states it supports Xvid avi, but when I read reviews, some people mention avi is not playable. I am an owner of a Sony BDP-S370 and avi is not supported in the US model, but it is in the Canada and Europe models.

I was looking to upgrade to the 590 and was hoping it does support avi.

Xvid AVI is supported. However, AVI files with other codecs are not supported natively (example: Divx). The other non supported codecs likely account for the feedback you have seen.
post #2312 of 3993
Hey I've got a WMV that will play video but not audio, before the file plays there's an error message that says "unsupported audio", does anyone know the supported audio codecs for the wmv container for the bdp-s590?
post #2313 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Your S590 remote should have a subtitle button on it. Use that. It has nothing to do with CC on your TV. Subtitle is controlled and displayed by the player on to the regular video.
Thx Foxbat. Tried that and every other CC button. Nothing worked. One more thing I wanna try is connecting the S590 directly to my tv rather than via my Marantz receiver. Wondering if that might have anything to do with that (wierd)
post #2314 of 3993
It should be the same. It is purely a player side thing. Are you sure it is not your disc that doesn't contain any subtitle since disc menu doesn't even offer such option?
post #2315 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

No, you get it backwards. The DLNA server has a lot to do with it. I used my PC w/ Win7 and installed some codecs (DIVX MF) so that I can stream MKV. I can stream full-bitrate BD rip mkv files straight from MakeMKV without any problem or transcoding (my PC CPU usage is <1%). I found most of those standalone NAS box stream is quite useless (I have one on my router). What you experienced is a POS DLNA server. That's it.

This same version of Twonky running on a PC has no problem streaming these, i installed it on the NAS where the files reside so I dont have to have my laptop on. If the sony does not understand MKV then how can the DNLA serve the video to it without transcoding it to a format that the sony understands?
post #2316 of 3993
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Originally Posted by jtmetcalfe View Post

Hey I've got a WMV that will play video but not audio, before the file plays there's an error message that says "unsupported audio", does anyone know the supported audio codecs for the wmv container for the bdp-s590?

I had the same problem, run it through media info and see what the audio codec is, also check the manual, might only work form usb storage and not over DNLA
post #2317 of 3993
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Originally Posted by ASR6491 View Post

This same version of Twonky running on a PC has no problem streaming these, i installed it on the NAS where the files reside so I dont have to have my laptop on. If the sony does not understand MKV then how can the DNLA serve the video to it without transcoding it to a format that the sony understands?

That's not called transcoding. Transcoding typically means you server have to decode the video and reencode on the fly to another encoding for streaming. This process will yield significant processor usage and lower image quality. MKV is just a ccontainer. The server on the PC can extract the H.264 video stream and separate audio stream out of it and send it to Sony player to playback without decoding and re-encoding. Your server on the NAS obviously doesn't do it. Don't blame on the player. DLNA is not as simple as push a file as is to the client.
post #2318 of 3993
Closed captioning is transmitted in the video signal's "vertical retrace interval". When HDMI connections are used, the digital audio is transmitted in the video signal's "vertical retrace interval". As a side-effect, closed captioning is not available, and you have to make-do with whatever subtitles are provided on the disc. (Some discs have special SDH tracks in addition to simple translation tracks, while other discs have no subtitles at all, and some have subtitle tracks which provide completely different translations from what's provided on the dubbed audio tracks.)

Closed captioning might still be available on the analog composite video output (the coax connection that's color coded yellow). Have you tried that? Of course, the composite video quality won't be as good as what HDMI provides, and won't even be available in future players which have HDMI.
post #2319 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

It should be the same. It is purely a player side thing. Are you sure it is not your disc that doesn't contain any subtitle since disc menu doesn't even offer such option?

Positive. I can even see subtitles on my computer. I have a few British shows that dont have subtitle option in the menu, so the subtitles cannot be turned on via a dvd player. However, there are on disc subtitles which show up when I enable the TV CC option. n this case, like I said, when I popped in this DVD in my old DVD player, no problemo. Weird..
post #2320 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Closed captioning is transmitted in the video signal's "vertical retrace interval". When HDMI connections are used, the digital audio is transmitted in the video signal's "vertical retrace interval". As a side-effect, closed captioning is not available, and you have to make-do with whatever subtitles are provided on the disc. (Some discs have special SDH tracks in addition to simple translation tracks, while other discs have no subtitles at all, and some have subtitle tracks which provide completely different translations from what's provided on the dubbed audio tracks.)
Closed captioning might still be available on the analog composite video output (the coax connection that's color coded yellow). Have you tried that? Of course, the composite video quality won't be as good as what HDMI provides, and won't even be available in future players which have HDMI.

Ah.. This makes a lot more sense. I am running HDMIs with my blu ray and regular component with my DVD player.. That must be the reason. Damn man, I dont wanna connect my Blu ray with Components. Anyhoo, looks like I'd have to live with this.
Thx Selden Ball
post #2321 of 3993
This has probably been asked before, but I can't find it.....what is the best way to play MKVs (MPEG-4 AVC, AC3) that are stored on my PC thru my new S590?
Do I need to use a server? I've installed Serviio, and while it allows me to see all of my files thru the S590, I'm having problems playing them. Sometimes they will show up as unsupported, or sometimes they will start playing, but after a few minutes they will freeze and eventually I get kicked back to the S590 menu and it seems the server has temporarily quit running.

If someone could point me in the right direction that would be great. I've done a bit of reading but not sure if I should be trying a different program, a different profile in Serviio, or something else.

Edit: I just had it playing a movie again, but it freezes up frequently. Could it be some type of network issue? I've never had issues playing the same files from my PC using my Patriot Box Office, but because I'm now running a server so the S590 can see the files, is this leading to issues? I've disabled transcoding in Serviio and the PC is a relatively old (nForce2 era) box running Win XP, incase any of that is helpful.
Edited by ScottRempel - 12/7/12 at 9:48pm
post #2322 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

That's not called transcoding. Transcoding typically means you server have to decode the video and reencode on the fly to another encoding for streaming. This process will yield significant processor usage and lower image quality. MKV is just a ccontainer. The server on the PC can extract the H.264 video stream and separate audio stream out of it and send it to Sony player to playback without decoding and re-encoding. Your server on the NAS obviously doesn't do it. Don't blame on the player. DLNA is not as simple as push a file as is to the client.

Well again, same NAS plays these files on other devices with no issues. The manual clearly states that its doesnt work over DNLA only USB, to which I argued with them that that made no sense if you can read it you can read it.
post #2323 of 3993
Indeed this is verified here:

http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/documentLink.do?externalId=C1028818

Thanks much!
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

If you're referring to that little sliver of a thumbnail on the left side of the UI, that's what it's supposed to look like. It looks that way on my PS3 and my Panasonic BDT220. You can see a picture of it running on the Boxee Box here and on the PS3 here (not the latest but close). They're just trying to indicate that there're titles that you can scroll into in that direction.
post #2324 of 3993
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Originally Posted by ASR6491 View Post

Well again, same NAS plays these files on other devices with no issues. The manual clearly states that its doesnt work over DNLA only USB, to which I argued with them that that made no sense if you can read it you can read it.

Manufacturers typically very vague or very conservative on supported formats over DLNA because of the complexity. If they stated it is not supported in the manual, it saves them a lot of support calls. But in reality, these BD players are more capable than what manual states. I would argue that sine these mkv files play fine on my player, it is the problem with your NAS. H.264 streams fine for me, both in mkv container and m2ts container.

We can argue this all day long. The thing is Sony is not actively trying to make streaming any better because they already disclaimed it in the manual. I can stream all my movies today without problem. You can't with that NAS server. There is no way you can ask Sony to do anything for you. But calling this player can't stream H.264 is not accurate.
Edited by Foxbat121 - 12/8/12 at 7:07pm
post #2325 of 3993
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Originally Posted by tweeje View Post

hi.
Exactly the same for me. I had to redo my MP4 to play, but is successfully streaming from my HP -- HomeServer. I cannot pause or rewind or fastforward when playing through the BDP-S390.
I tried with the iPhone app remote, the normal remote, and trying to control it from another DLNA client. None of them worked to pause the video.
Thus there is a problem in the BDP-S390, which is very annoying.
Anyone have any contact with Sony to check on this yet?
post #2326 of 3993
Well I contacted Sony support and they told me it was not a problem because it was working as designed. There is no pause or rewind or fastforward ability with the DLNA client. I mentioned that it is a bad design and asked if they could fix it. To which they said thank you for contacting support and ended the conversation.

I returned the player the next day and purchased a new Panasonic that works flawlessly as a DLNA client and starts up twice as fast as the Sony. I am much happier now. Will not buy Sony again.
post #2327 of 3993
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Originally Posted by tweeje View Post

Well I contacted Sony support and they told me it was not a problem because it was working as designed. There is no pause or rewind or fastforward ability with the DLNA client. I mentioned that it is a bad design and asked if they could fix it. To which they said thank you for contacting support and ended the conversation.
I returned the player the next day and purchased a new Panasonic that works flawlessly as a DLNA client and starts up twice as fast as the Sony. I am much happier now. Will not buy Sony again.

Panasonic's file support is abysmal. No one in their right mind could be "happy" with panasonic's DLNA implementation.
post #2328 of 3993
Hi folks,

In need of an advice trying to update my main video system and having problems choosing between Sony's 590 and Panny 220 BR players.

Now my set-up consists in a Ac Ryan PlayonHD Mini, Onkyo HTR548 (aka HT 5405, practically an Onkyo TX508 + 5.1 speaker system) and a Panny P42GT30 plasma. Thought about adding a BR Player to that, mainly because both AVR and TV set are 3d ready, but the AC Ryan is not.

So, narrowed down the search to 590 and panny 220.

Since in Romania no Netflix, Vudu or other VODs are available (and that's a shame), my primary demand is PQ. I would also love to play subtitled mkvs over the USB connection of the player, and maybe access to free online apps (SEN also not available). Easy connection between BR and AVR is also a must. I also use a Harmony One, so I don't care for the BR player's remote to work with the Panny plasma.

Any advice?

PS: since we are a poor country, they sell both the 590 and the 220 @ $200 smile.gif)))))

Cheers,
Chris.
post #2329 of 3993
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Panasonic's file support is abysmal. No one in their right mind could be "happy" with panasonic's DLNA implementation.

+1. Had a Panasonic BDT-110. It litterally only support one or two formats (one that comes out of HD camcorder and one that from DVD disc). Can't stream BD rips or many other home made videos.

For Sony player, if you rip it into mkv with chapter lists, you will be able to skip or FFW chapters as well as pause and rewind. If you can't do any of that, it is probably because your host server is doing transcoding on the fly. I wouldn't watch anything transcoding like that because your PQ will severly degraded.
post #2330 of 3993
FLAC streaming over Serviio: I have been streaming FLAC files with Serviio without any problems but a recent purchase off HDTracks in 192 KHz is giving me problems...the file isn't recognized. Can anyone help me troubleshoot? I can't imagine that the Serviio and the 590 can't handle the file. If that is the case that Serviio or the 590 can't handle 192 can someone please verify? Any help appreciated.
post #2331 of 3993
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Originally Posted by TinkEvChance View Post

FLAC streaming over Serviio: I have been streaming FLAC files with Serviio without any problems but a recent purchase off HDTracks in 192 KHz is giving me problems...the file isn't recognized. Can anyone help me troubleshoot? I can't imagine that the Serviio and the 590 can't handle the file. If that is the case that Serviio or the 590 can't handle 192 can someone please verify? Any help appreciated.

Unfortunately, using DLNA, you need 48 kHz 16 bit or lower for audio on the 590 (at least with PCM, which is what Serviio converts FLAC to, I have not tested the lossy formats like mp3).
post #2332 of 3993
Thanks Vamp. Major bummer. I used to own Squeezebox and maybe I had wishful thinking about the 590 cuz it can do just about anything. I am still open to any advice if anyone has a work around on getting the most out of my FLAC files.
post #2333 of 3993
"Whoa....that was cool!" (Beavis and Butt-Head voice). I downloaded J River MC and tweaked it until I got my 192 kHz/24-bit FLAC to show up as LPCM 6.1 mbps on the 590. My receiver is reading the stream as 192 kHz. I had to down-convert to 16 bit from the 24 bit. Can anyone way smarter than me validate/confirm/explain what I did? It seems to me I was successful in maintaining the 192 kHz and just had to convert to 16 bit. Where does the 6.1 mpbs come in?
post #2334 of 3993
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Manufacturers typically very vague or very conservative on supported formats over DLNA because of the complexity. If they stated it is not supported in the manual, it saves them a lot of support calls. But in reality, these BD players are more capable than what manual states. I would argue that sine these mkv files play fine on my player, it is the problem with your NAS. H.264 streams fine for me, both in mkv container and m2ts container.
We can argue this all day long. The thing is Sony is not actively trying to make streaming any better because they already disclaimed it in the manual. I can stream all my movies today without problem. You can't with that NAS server. There is no way you can ask Sony to do anything for you. But calling this player can't stream H.264 is not accurate.

Completely agree.
post #2335 of 3993
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by johncourt View Post

Panasonic's file support is abysmal. No one in their right mind could be "happy" with panasonic's DLNA implementation.

Yes so true.

The fact FF/RW wasn't working very well is mainly down to the DLNA standard rather than the players or servers.

OP I've no idea what file format, codec, bit rate for audio and video you were trying to play but are am very surprised the panasonic plays things any better.
post #2336 of 3993
My apologies if this is a repeat question, I’m up to page 8 of this thread and haven’t seen an answer to my question yet so I figured I’d just ask and hope someone has some suggestions.

I hooked my S590 up last night to my AE7000U (projector) and noticed some inconsistent picture quality behavior. While streaming Vudu and Netflix, the image looks fantastic as expected, however when I popped in a few DVD’s (Finding Nemo, StarWars III & Battleship) I noted that the picture quality in all three was horrible. Looked essentially “non hd” (when I watch them on my other DVD player on my TV up stairs, they look much better). What has me perplexed is why can I get such a good image when streaming but am struggling when watching DVDs? Guessing/hoping there’s a setting or two I need to tweak but am not sure where to start.

Other details:
Running this through a new Yamaha RX-V373
All connections are HDMI

Thoughts?
post #2337 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Jcangie View Post

My apologies if this is a repeat question, I’m up to page 8 of this thread and haven’t seen an answer to my question yet so I figured I’d just ask and hope someone has some suggestions.
I hooked my S590 up last night to my AE7000U (projector) and noticed some inconsistent picture quality behavior. While streaming Vudu and Netflix, the image looks fantastic as expected, however when I popped in a few DVD’s (Finding Nemo, StarWars III & Battleship) I noted that the picture quality in all three was horrible. Looked essentially “non hd” (when I watch them on my other DVD player on my TV up stairs, they look much better). What has me perplexed is why can I get such a good image when streaming but am struggling when watching DVDs? Guessing/hoping there’s a setting or two I need to tweak but am not sure where to start.
Other details:
Running this through a new Yamaha RX-V373
All connections are HDMI
Thoughts?

I'm not familiar with Hulu streaming but are you watching HD in Hulu and Netflix? Watching standard DVD's is not going to look as good as streaming HD. Blu-Ray will look far superior to streaming HD.

Upconversion in general is not going to make regular DVDs look HD quality, and this player in particular is not known for good upconversion quality.

Much like watching a SD broadcast on a HD television, you are going to notice the artifacts and blockiness much more than if you would watch them on a SD screen. It's a pixel math thing.
post #2338 of 3993
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Originally Posted by Jcangie View Post

My apologies if this is a repeat question, I’m up to page 8 of this thread and haven’t seen an answer to my question yet so I figured I’d just ask and hope someone has some suggestions.
I hooked my S590 up last night to my AE7000U (projector) and noticed some inconsistent picture quality behavior. While streaming Vudu and Netflix, the image looks fantastic as expected, however when I popped in a few DVD’s (Finding Nemo, StarWars III & Battleship) I noted that the picture quality in all three was horrible. Looked essentially “non hd” (when I watch them on my other DVD player on my TV up stairs, they look much better). What has me perplexed is why can I get such a good image when streaming but am struggling when watching DVDs? Guessing/hoping there’s a setting or two I need to tweak but am not sure where to start.
Other details:
Running this through a new Yamaha RX-V373
All connections are HDMI
Thoughts?

Try running the 590 directly to the projector, as a test, to see if that improves things. When you are running your video through the AVR (your Yamaha RX-V373) you need to pay close attention to the settings and to what the AVR and BD player do with the signal, relative to the capabilities of the output device (i.e. your projector). So, while streaming, the AVR may be reporting/using a different resolution than when receiving an SD signal from the same player for the DVD.

I don't recall the 373 supporting any video processing, but I may be wrong. Whatever the case, try forcing the BDP-S590 to 1080p (instead of 'Auto') and see if that makes a difference with DVD output. It's possible that the AVR is reporting a different supported resolution via HDMI and, hence, the 590 is not doing any upscaling of the DVD video. I have a 590 and my experience w/ DVD upscaling on that player is simply fantastic with newer DVDs - within reason, that is.
post #2339 of 3993
DVD upconversion will be mediocre on this player. Try panasonic or oppo if you want better. Don't expect miracles in any case with dvd upconversion.
post #2340 of 3993
A few weeks ago I created a thread about a problem I was having, but since then I've created a revolution in my bedroom; I switched TV's and decided to get a new blu-ray player, the S590. As stated in my previous thread, I have new neighbors and decided it would be best to disable my surround sound. I'm now using my TV's speakers as the only source of audio and I have no clue on what the optimal audio settings should be. Can anybody shed some light?

Audio (HDMI) - Auto or PCM?
DSD Output Mode - On or Off?
BD Audio Mix Settings - On or Off?
Dolby Digital / DTS - Downmix PCM or Bitstream?
DTS Neo:6 - Cinema, Music or Off?
Audio DRC - I actually know this one, Hallelujah!
Downmix - Surround or Stereo?

Thanks!

EDIT: I need some help on the screen settings, too!

Screen Format - Full or Normal?
DVD Aspect Ratio - Letter Box or Pan & Scan?
Cinema Confersion Mode - Auto or Video?

Thanks again!
Edited by DaKeatz - 12/10/12 at 3:18pm
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