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post #2431 of 3462
12/19/12 at 8:54am
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

I use Serviio to stream MKVs with embedded subtitles to S590 all the time, never had a problem.

So, I asked the folks at Serviio about this and here's their reply:
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Read this : viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2004

To which I replied:
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Thanks for the reply. Of course, that was the first thing I found and read on this topic. In particular these lines:

"- SRT subtitle files are not supported."

...and...

"- The European and Canadian (but not US) firmwares support subtitles and audio track selection for Matroska files. However, there are significant problems with this native Matroska playback, namely..."

However, someone on AVSForum is stating that soft subtitles in MKV files just work w/ the Sony player. So, I was wondering if the link above was out of date or if using a different profile (e.g. Bravia TV - 2012) changed things, or there was somehow a difference using embedded subtitles versus external files, or something else altogether.

The referenced link seems to say that if you have a US player, the answer is 'No', but if you have a Euro or Canadian player, and you can tolerate the MKV playback issues as described in the post, and make the profile changes described, then the answer is 'Yes'.

Do I have that right?

To which Serviio replied:
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I would say yes, but I have not personally recheck management of subtitles with Sony BDP devices.

This matches my experience with MKV and subtitles; however, as I stated earlier, if something has changed or there is an approach that works better than what the folks at Serviio are aware of, please do tell.
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12/19/12 at 11:01am
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Originally Posted by Venturai View Post

I wouldn't say for a large amount of MKVs. Even calling it a moderate amount would be somewhat generous terminology. I'd have to say out of the dozen or so that I tried, at least half of them wouldn't play. One or two of these even locked up the machine, requiring a hard reset to get it going again.
Granted, it played my reconverted m2ts files almost flawlessly. That is, except for refusing to display subtitles. Unfortunately, that was pretty much a deal breaker, and, had I known, would never have purchased the machine.
Incidentally, while I was browsing at the store, I couldn't help but notice a couple of the models available specifically listed mkv file playback as one of the features. Since it's just a container and all that, it might be worth also shooting an email Panasonic's way, too. They seem to be in the dark on that also smile.gif

Well given 80% of BDs are authored in AVC Mpeg 4 with DTS / DTS-MA ... I would say "good support" is realistic. I acknowledge the issue with Subtitles. That is a problem, but there are some workarounds there.

We've gone over what you need to do with VC-1 and Mpeg 2, and it doesn't take much.

So how many more permutations are there ?

So I think its very good support. Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I wouldn't use it if it didn't work for me.

As far as lock ups, I've experienced a few, but given I use the player almost exclusively for DLNA playback, I dont think its that bad, and no worse than other DLNA clients I've used. I am using the 790 v 590 for DLNA playback. The 590 I have mainly just plays Amazon VOD.
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post #2433 of 3462
12/19/12 at 8:47pm
Sorry if this is not in the appropriate forum for this, but I had the option of starting a new thread, which appeared to suggest it was going into the General BD Forum, and my question is specifically about the S590 and it's web menus.
I'm a real newbie when it comes to negotiating the internet via the Sony BD player menus. Basically I'm getting really frustrated with having to click 18 times to get to my favorite blues station. Then later back to Home and more clicks to select the next thing I want to do. Is there a way to create favorites and have them easily accessible like you would in your web browser? I Have found about 10 ( of the numorous sites available) that interest me, so I would like to have them immediately accessible instead of clicking through multiple levels of the Web Menu.
Thanks Dave
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post #2434 of 3462
12/19/12 at 10:47pm
See if that station is available in vtuner. You can make it a favorite there. The web browser is pretty worthless.
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post #2435 of 3462
12/20/12 at 5:53am
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Originally Posted by bmcelvan View Post

Only settings I can think of: (Manual Page 29-30)
[Audio HDMI] - Set to Auto
[BD Audio MIX Setting] - Set to Off
[Dolby Digital / DTS] - Set to Bitsream
[DTS Neo:6] - Set to Off
[Downmix] - Set to Surround Although I don't think this one makes a difference
That's all I got.
It's connected via HDMI, right?
Ben

I did all of that, checked, double checked, and then rechecked again, and still my Denon AVR-3312 only plays back in Dolby Digital. I am literally baffled by this. Any other suggestions? I am damn sure that the settings are correct just as you posted. Urgggg!!! I am getting ready to pull my hair out!
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post #2436 of 3462
12/20/12 at 7:02am
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Originally Posted by Martycool007 View Post

I did all of that, checked, double checked, and then rechecked again, and still my Denon AVR-3312 only plays back in Dolby Digital. I am literally baffled by this. Any other suggestions? I am damn sure that the settings are correct just as you posted. Urgggg!!! I am getting ready to pull my hair out!

http://usa.denon.com/DocumentMaster/US/AVR-3312CIE3_ENG_CD-ROM_v00.pdf

pgs. 55, 98, 99, 134 and 137. Did the dog switch the Denon into Music mode? Direct mode? Audyssey DSX mode? Did he somehow turn off the back surrounds or switch AFDM (Auto flag detect mode) off/on? These all could potentially force a HD signal to decode and play back in DD mode and not show correctly.

I would start with putting in a recent Blu-Ray and start playing it and select the AUDIO or DISPLAY button to see what track is being played to be sure it's the Master HD which I found is NOT always the default audio track (it is on the most recent Blu Rays but some older ones default to Dolby Digital when the Master HD is track 2), then I would start at page 55 and use the menu of the Denon to see what mode you're in and switch it if needed. The other pages I listed all reference various modes that can be selected so the remote may have been bumped into a different decode mode.

Good luck.
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post #2437 of 3462
12/20/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Krutsch View Post

So, I asked the folks at Serviio about this and here's their reply:
To which I replied:
To which Serviio replied:
This matches my experience with MKV and subtitles; however, as I stated earlier, if something has changed or there is an approach that works better than what the folks at Serviio are aware of, please do tell.

On vacation, just saw your post. I will have to get back to you about DTS-MA, but H.264 video with DTS or AC3 audio and MKVMerge-embedded SRT subs never gave me any issues. Using Bravia 2012 US profile in Serviio.
Edited by Kisakuku - 12/20/12 at 12:35pm
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post #2438 of 3462
12/20/12 at 10:55am
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Originally Posted by Jamaro85 View Post

Does anybody have a Buffalo Linkstation Pro NAS? I have the BDP-S590 connected to my home network but it doesn't seem to be detecting my NAS. It is DLNA certified and works with with my LG BD570 Blu Ray player. I have the latest firmware, tried restarting the DLNA server but it has done nothing to help. This is pretty frustrating as I really have no idea what to do.
I have a Linkstation NAS (slightly different model but the same firmware) and it works perfectly with my BDP-S390 as well as my old Bravia TV.

I don't recall having to do anything to get them to detect the NAS, it just worked out-of-the-box.
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post #2439 of 3462
12/20/12 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by stillgolfing View Post

Sorry if this is not in the appropriate forum for this, but I had the option of starting a new thread, which appeared to suggest it was going into the General BD Forum, and my question is specifically about the S590 and it's web menus.
I'm a real newbie when it comes to negotiating the internet via the Sony BD player menus. Basically I'm getting really frustrated with having to click 18 times to get to my favorite blues station. Then later back to Home and more clicks to select the next thing I want to do. Is there a way to create favorites and have them easily accessible like you would in your web browser? I Have found about 10 ( of the numorous sites available) that interest me, so I would like to have them immediately accessible instead of clicking through multiple levels of the Web Menu.
Thanks Dave

Favorite for what ? The App itself, or within the App. If its the App itself, then SEN portal can provide 8 favorites.

"Blues station" ... what are you referring to? vTuner, Pandora, something else ? If you're talking about the App, like vTuner, it has a ability to save the station as a favorite. Hit options.
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post #2440 of 3462
12/20/12 at 2:43pm
Thanks for the info much appreciated. I'm guessing SEN stands for Sony Entertainment Network. I have yet to find that icon/app.... or is that what the whole menu system is called? (Newbie...remember?smile.gif), However, I will review the manual and search this site for info and add the Apps I like (of which vTuner is one) to SENs, and then I can set my favorite Blues stations under vTuner.
Cheers, Dave
Edited by stillgolfing - 12/20/12 at 2:49pm
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post #2441 of 3462
12/20/12 at 3:20pm
Sorry, I never use SEN, so I'm not sure what's available there. But vTuner is just one of the music apps on the main menu of the player. No guarantees it will have the station you want but it does have a few blues stations. From what you described you simply found it in the web browser, right?
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post #2442 of 3462
12/20/12 at 3:31pm
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Originally Posted by stillgolfing View Post

Thanks for the info much appreciated. I'm guessing SEN stands for Sony Entertainment Network. I have yet to find that icon/app.... or is that what the whole menu system is called? (Newbie...remember?smile.gif), However, I will review the manual and search this site for info and add the Apps I like (of which vTuner is one) to SENs, and then I can set my favorite Blues stations under vTuner.
Cheers, Dave

SEN home is its own category along the top menu times. From left to right.

You may need to register or link an account to get it to work, can't remember for SEN Home. This process is required for music and video unlimited however.
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post #2443 of 3462
12/20/12 at 7:29pm
My BDP-S590 shows DVD movies just bad, ugly, Blu Rays are perfect.
How to improve it? I heard all Sony 590 versions do same thing, is this a thrue?
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post #2444 of 3462
12/21/12 at 1:47am
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Originally Posted by GEOgamer View Post

My BDP-S590 shows DVD movies just bad, ugly, Blu Rays are perfect.
How to improve it? I heard all Sony 590 versions do same thing, is this a thrue?

You can't.
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post #2445 of 3462
12/21/12 at 6:24am
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Originally Posted by GEOgamer View Post

My BDP-S590 shows DVD movies just bad, ugly, Blu Rays are perfect.
How to improve it? I heard all Sony 590 versions do same thing, is this a thrue?

Any worse than SD? After reading your post I fired up an old Star Wars DVD and was impressed with the playback. It was so good I could see the cheesy construction of R2D2. smile.gif If you have truly bad SD playback you might consider returning the unit.
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post #2446 of 3462
12/21/12 at 6:47am
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Originally Posted by GEOgamer View Post

My BDP-S590 shows DVD movies just bad, ugly, Blu Rays are perfect.
How to improve it? I heard all Sony 590 versions do same thing, is this a thrue?

In general, DVDs will not look as clear as Blu-rays and this player does not offer much in terms of options to customize the upscaling.

However, you could try changing the output format to 'Original Resolution'
which will send the video to your display without upscaling. This will allow your display to upscale the picture instead of the player. Whether this will lead to a more pleasing result or not will depend on your display's capabilities.
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post #2447 of 3462
12/21/12 at 7:36am
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Originally Posted by GEOgamer View Post

My BDP-S590 shows DVD movies just bad, ugly, Blu Rays are perfect.
How to improve it? I heard all Sony 590 versions do same thing, is this a true?
I'm a newbie to 1080p TV and BluRay, but my initial observations over the past 2 weeks are for both DVD and BluRay the picture quality is dependant on the quality of the original disc production. Hence in reviewing my DVD collection I find movies that are of such high quality they could be mistaken for a Current Movie release BluRay (Once Upon a Time in the West, for example). Whereas others look like they were transferred from VCR tape. That goes for BluRay too. I notice that the latest blockbuster movies are unbelievably detailed an impressive, and even in 2d look almost 3 dimensional. However, some of the older cult movies I recently picked up on BluRay are not that impressive (I've been assuming they are just DVD transfers and were not upgraded in anyway for BluRay). Haven't yet had a chance to check out comments and educate myself on BluRay disc production, but that is my next task, since I can't compare the Sony to other players, because it's my first BluRay player.
Dave
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post #2448 of 3462
12/21/12 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by djironic View Post

So I just recently picked up the Sony s590 as a streamer replacement for my first-generation Roku player (wanted something to take advantage of Netflix 1080p/5.1/captions streams and Vudu) and an update-able Blu-ray player to replace my old two-year-old Samsung c6500, whose ethernet connection seems to have broken and which is nearly impossible to connect wirelessly. The Samsung still works fine for DVD/BR, but I'm worried that, eventually, if I don't update the firmware, it's not going to play all discs.
First impressions of the s590 are mixed. Not crazy about the interfaces as compared to the Roku (hard to read/navigate Amazon, Hulu+, etc.), and the DVD upscaling, while competent, doesn't quite match the old Samsung. Not inferior enough to be a deal-killer, but a noticeably more washed out picture compared to the Samsung. Have also had a few weird issues with the quality of streaming from Hulu+, something I've never had an issue with on the Roku, but the issues are not easily repeatable, so I'll just hope they were flukes.
My biggest issue, however, is with judder. The Netflix streams have the worse judder I've seen. Some panning shots are almost unwatchable. Even my non-videophile wife immediately noticed the judder on the opening tracking shot in Hugo. Watching Hugo from Amazon has no judder whatsoever. The "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" panning shot at four minutes in also displayed the worst judder I've seen, compared to the Samsung and the Roku.
Any thoughts as to whether this is correctable within my system, or is it inherent in Netflix? I have the Sony connected through my Denon AVR-2809ci to my Panasonic TH-50PZ85U. I've messed around with what setting I could (output resolution, 24p output, etc.) and haven't been able to overcome the issue.
Should I try a different player, or is it an issue on all Netflix streamers?

So, quick follow-up, for those interested - in looking for the best streaming device, I also picked up a Panasonic BDP220 and a Roku XS. Turns out, the judder is an issue for both the Sony and the Roku, but non-existent on the Panny. Looks like I'm going to have to go with the Panasonic, despite the many fewer streaming channel options and the lack of support for 5.1 streaming on Amazon VOD (WTF!?! Aaargh!). As much as I would like 5.1 from Amazon, having smooth and accurate image rendering is even more important for me, so the Panny it is. Makes me think that the Panasonic has a better all-around image processor than the other two, also...
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post #2449 of 3462
12/21/12 at 3:50pm
How do you recommend Panasonic BDP over Sony ?
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post #2450 of 3462
12/22/12 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by djironic View Post

So, quick follow-up, for those interested - in looking for the best streaming device, I also picked up a Panasonic BDP220 and a Roku XS. Turns out, the judder is an issue for both the Sony and the Roku, but non-existent on the Panny. Looks like I'm going to have to go with the Panasonic, despite the many fewer streaming channel options and the lack of support for 5.1 streaming on Amazon VOD (WTF!?! Aaargh!). As much as I would like 5.1 from Amazon, having smooth and accurate image rendering is even more important for me, so the Panny it is. Makes me think that the Panasonic has a better all-around image processor than the other two, also...

??? Impossible. None of these players can get rid of judder from 24 fps film sources. You need frame interpolation to reduce motion blur, a feature NONE of these players have.
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12/22/12 at 6:51am
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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Microsoft made a decision not to support mkv as either media files or streaming options. However, there are couple ways to enable this capability on Win7 PCs (1) download and install Shark007 codec pack or (2) download and install DIVX media foundation codec from DIVX Labs. Either one will give you mkv streaming via DLNA.
I installed the Shark007 codec but it didn't work, despite using the recommended settings within Shark007. I'm also unable to find a current DivX codec - I found something from 2009 but that's quite old. If you have a link that works for you, please share it with me.

This is really frustrating because I bought this player BECAUSE it is said that it supported mkv playback and apparently it really does not!
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12/22/12 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by CapnNismo View Post

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Originally Posted by Foxbat121 View Post

Microsoft made a decision not to support mkv as either media files or streaming options. However, there are couple ways to enable this capability on Win7 PCs (1) download and install Shark007 codec pack or (2) download and install DIVX media foundation codec from DIVX Labs. Either one will give you mkv streaming via DLNA.
I installed the Shark007 codec but it didn't work, despite using the recommended settings within Shark007. I'm also unable to find a current DivX codec - I found something from 2009 but that's quite old. If you have a link that works for you, please share it with me.

This is really frustrating because I bought this player BECAUSE it is said that it supported mkv playback and apparently it really does not!

What DLNA server are you using? Have you tried using Serviio to serve up your mkv files?
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post #2453 of 3462
12/22/12 at 9:15am
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Originally Posted by CapnNismo View Post

I installed the Shark007 codec but it didn't work, despite using the recommended settings within Shark007. I'm also unable to find a current DivX codec - I found something from 2009 but that's quite old. If you have a link that works for you, please share it with me.
This is really frustrating because I bought this player BECAUSE it is said that it supported mkv playback and apparently it really does not!
It does, but not from windows media server. You need something like serviio as the previous poster said. For Divx, you need to edit the header so it looks like Xvid. I don't remember the details but I think they're somewhere in this thread. Otherwise, US Sony players won't do Divx without transcoding.
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12/22/12 at 9:23am
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

What DLNA server are you using? Have you tried using Serviio to serve up your mkv files?
I'm running it all via standard Windows 7 - nothing special at all. I'll give Serviio a look after Christmas.
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

It does, but not from windows media server. You need something like serviio as the previous poster said. For Divx, you need to edit the header so it looks like Xvid. I don't remember the details but I think they're somewhere in this thread. Otherwise, US Sony players won't do Divx without transcoding.
I'm in Europe, so hopefully Shark007 and Serviio will both be sufficient. I'll report back after the Christmas holidays.
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post #2455 of 3462
12/22/12 at 6:09pm
Thread Starter 
Btw. A new version of Serviio got released a few days a go. Version 1.1. I've not noticed any big changes and you still must use the Bravia 2012 - US profile with these 2012 BD players.
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12/22/12 at 7:11pm
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Originally Posted by CapnNismo View Post

I installed the Shark007 codec but it didn't work, despite using the recommended settings within Shark007. I'm also unable to find a current DivX codec - I found something from 2009 but that's quite old. If you have a link that works for you, please share it with me.
This is really frustrating because I bought this player BECAUSE it is said that it supported mkv playback and apparently it really does not!

Define what is not working? You will probably need to force a WMP library rebuild in order for your existing mkv files to show up for streaming. Shark007 has a button to do that. As for DIVX MF, look here http://www.divx.com/en/software/divx-plus

Don't blame the player because your Windows Media sharing refuses to share anything mkv by default.
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post #2457 of 3462
12/22/12 at 9:21pm
This is my post from the Sony BDP-790 forum, but I am also posting it here also, since it definitely affects the 590 and likely the 390 as well. Sony does not support TrueHD via PCM 7.1 any longer. FYI.
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Originally Posted by av_fan View Post

Just got this player. I'm connecting it to a Denon 4306 for audio and my TV for 3D video. I am using PCM, letting the Blu-Ray player decode the audio that the receiver does not support.
I've tested two Blu-Rays, and have the same results others have reported:
- Cars 2, with 7.1 DTS-HD MA. The receiver properly sees this as 7.1.
- Madagascar 3, with 7.1 Dolby TrueHD. The receiver only sees 5.1, so there is some down mixing going in.
Will call Sony soon. Has anyone heard anything from the Sony engineers about whether or not this is planned to be addressed in a (near) future firmware revision?
Another annoying thing is that when I start up the player, or turn it off, there is a temporary glitch on the screen in the form of one of more white lines that quickly appear or disappear. anyone else have this?
The picture's great even without tweaking, but these annoyances are not good. May switch out to the Pana 500, but that one is not without its issues either.

After about 4 weeks of working with Sony on this PCM Dolby TrueHD 7.1 issue, here is there response I got yesterday. Initially they stated it was only a Denon issue, then eventually admitted even their players were experiencing the same problem....which as you will see below, is not apparently a problem in their eyes.

After further investigation with our Sustaining engineering and Design teams we have found that 2012 and newer BD Players are only able to output Dolby Digital Sources over PCM up to 5.1 Channels Only, A part of this is due to the higher sampling rate (96KHZ) that Dobly uses as opposed to the (48KHZ) that DTS uses. This is by design and is not a flaw or defect, the players are functioning as intended and this will be the case for 2013 BD players as well . I apologize for the inconvenience and hope this addresses your concern.

I was baffled by this decision on this part and queried as to why this is so. Second response below.

As technology advances some features are considered obsolete. For Example, we have removed component outputs on our bd players because HDMI is now the primary medium for HD video + audio . Many new receivers that supports 7.1 channels will have built in Dolby Digital decoders that can natively decode the True HD 7.1 streams , therefore there really isn’t a need to force PCM on the dolby 7.1 true hd codec moving forward . It was an engineering + design decision to remove this feature and I apologize for the inconvenience but I will forward your feedback to our design teams.

Sadly I don't think I will ever understand why they removed PCM 7.1 TrueHD support. It makes no sense to me. If they didn't want 7.1 decoding then eliminate PCM support for DTS also. Looks like this is a dead issue. If you want PCM 7.1 support with Dolby TrueHD, time to spend your money elsewhere.
Edited by RajeeK - 12/22/12 at 9:52pm
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12/22/12 at 10:34pm
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...we have removed component outputs on our bd players because HDMI is now the primary medium for HD video + audio .

They removed the component video connections because of the planned "analog sunset".
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12/22/12 at 11:15pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

They removed the component video connections because of the planned "analog sunset".
HDMI is a better format, and it is cheaper not to put all those analog connections on, so I can understand that. But to not support simple PCM over HDMI fully.....that I don't get. It also looks like it took high level engineers to finally give that answer. Even their highest tech support had no idea their players had this PCM TrueHD limitation. It is ridiculous IMO.
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12/23/12 at 9:19am
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Originally Posted by RajeeK View Post

Sadly I don't think I will ever understand why they removed PCM 7.1 TrueHD support. It makes no sense to me. If they didn't want 7.1 decoding then eliminate PCM support for DTS also. Looks like this is a dead issue. If you want PCM 7.1 support with Dolby TrueHD, time to spend your money elsewhere.

Actually, Sony has improved their LPCM support over the BDP-Sn80 models (previous generation); I had a similar conversation a couple of years ago with Sony technical support. In the previous versions, LPCM decoding was limited to Dolby 5.1 and DTS (i.e. the lossy, "core" versions) and at least now they've added 5.1 channel support for the HD codecs over LPCM.

And, before you trash Sony, be aware that all of the low-end consumer players follow similar specifications. Referencing the above issue with the BDP-S580, when I started calling around to other vendors, I discovered back then that many of them had similar limitations w/ LPCM and decoding lossless audio codecs.

So, either buy a higher-end player (e.g. Oppo) or ...wait for it... buy a modern AVR.
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