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post #2641 of 3464
1/12/13 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

In short, fantastic! Lengangi, you wil not be disappointed.

The first bit of great news was that I actually received the kit the day after ordering it from Newegg (was expecting 4-7 days for shipping)! Excellent. It couldn't have been easier to set up. Plugged the single-port unit into a wall outlet near my router, connected the Ethernet and voila! Green it went! At the opposite end of the house, I plugged the 4-port switch into the wall outlet near my 590 and my receiver and connected both of those. Again, voila! Everything went green. The BDP auto-sensed the connection and learned it's Internet settings via DHCP. Same with the receiver. It all just worked. Keep in mind that the kit comes with 2 Ethernet cables, so if you have more devices to plug into the switch, then *you* have to supply the Ethernet cable. I have a drawer full of them so no issues.

Then I sat down to stream some Netflix. Could see right away how quickly the 590 connected, then how quickly the movie (the documentary "Marley" about Bob Marley) loaded. I pushed the display button on the Sony remote to monitor quality. At first it indicated SD/High, but then quickly changed to HD/Medium and almost immediately HD/High indicating 1080p (1920x1080/60p). The audio started out as DD+ and stayed that way. I then watched that entire movie and part of another and no buffering, consistently excellent quality, basically everything I'd hoped would happen.

Worked great for the AVR too. I did a firmware update via the 'net then set it up to stream Pandora (the 590 does this as well) and that worked great as well.

Bottom line is that this seems to be a terrific alternative to WiFi when your WLAN environment is not optimal. And provided your house has decent wiring.

Glad it worked out so well. It's a good idea to update firmware for both adapters and install Netgear Powerline Utility to monitor link speed. Netflix should go up HD/X-High if your connection bandwidth is adequate.
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1/12/13 at 9:33pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

To properly test if you're files play on the 590. Install the Serviio DLNA server on a computer on your network and ensure the player is using the Bravia 2012 - us profile (in Serviio console)

If the files all play - my betting is that they will - then the issue is with your goflex DLNA server configuration.

As another post stated sony changed the way certain files are played based on the way the DLNA server presents them to the player. As such the DLNA server needs to be configured to respect this.

Ok I can test that. But do you have any more details as to what file types were changed? The Seagate uses MiniDLNA, and I can get root access onto the box to make any config changes needed.

Looks like it's Xvid and MP4 that is having trouble playing on the s590.... Plays perfectly on the s570 though...

Video:
Mpeg-4 video (XVID)
resolution 720x544
framrate 23.976023

Audio:
Mpeg audio layer 1/2/3 (mpga)
Strereo
48000Hz
128kb/s

What config changes can I do to MiniDLNA to help my situation?

or is there anything I can apply to the s590?

or even what Video codec is the preferred codec to use for the s590 AND the s570 to render properly? what converter is considered the "best" to use for this that converts fast? I have a ton of movies and TV shows I've ripped over the years from my DVD's and VHS tapes that I really don't want to RIP again... I'd convert them if I had to though....

thanks!
Mike B
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post #2643 of 3464
1/12/13 at 11:13pm
Will the S390 be able to fully produce the 7.1 surround sound from movies like Avengers or Transformers:Dark of the Moon provided there is a receiver that can?

Can it also produce the Cinescope 2.40:1 screen?

Thanks
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post #2644 of 3464
1/13/13 at 3:57am
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

Glad it worked out so well. It's a good idea to update firmware for both adapters and install Netgear Powerline Utility to monitor link speed. Netflix should go up HD/X-High if your connection bandwidth is adequate.

Link speed is at or above 112Mbps and 117Mbps as I write this. But my FIOS service is rated at 15/5. For full HD, I shouldn't need any more than 8-10Mpbs continuous so unless we are streaming multiple movies or shows in the house simultaneously my existing service should be adequate.

As I understand it, Netflix no longer displays HD/X-High. 1080p content is simply HD/High:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/08/netflix-1080p-streams-no-longer-called-x-high-company-credits-i/

I'm guessing they are leaving themselves a placeholder for the coming surge of 48fp content
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post #2645 of 3464
1/13/13 at 7:04am
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Originally Posted by mijotter View Post

Will the S390 be able to fully produce the 7.1 surround sound from movies like Avengers or Transformers:Dark of the Moon provided there is a receiver that can?

Can it also produce the Cinescope 2.40:1 screen?

Thanks

Yes to the 7.1 question. Not sure what you are trying to ask with the second question. Blu-ray as a standard does not optimize for aspect ratios wider than 16:9. Cinescope content will not use the entire 1920 x 1080 px frame (letterboxed). Displays wider than 16:9 would need to upscale and crop the image to display a full 2.4:1 widescreen image.
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1/13/13 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Link speed is at or above 112Mbps and 117Mbps as I write this. But my FIOS service is rated at 15/5. For full HD, I shouldn't need any more than 8-10Mpbs continuous so unless we are streaming multiple movies or shows in the house simultaneously my existing service should be adequate.

As I understand it, Netflix no longer displays HD/X-High. 1080p content is simply HD/High:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/08/netflix-1080p-streams-no-longer-called-x-high-company-credits-i/

I'm guessing they are leaving themselves a placeholder for the coming surge of 48fp content

You're right, I forgot about X-High no longer being displayed.
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post #2647 of 3464
1/13/13 at 10:31am
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Only you can decide that.

Thanks Vampidemic. I actually got a tip to turn video processing off on my receiver which only worked temporarily in 1080p until I paused while watching a movie to go back to the BDP main menu. For some reason, that caused the flashing to return. Then I tried using Original Resolution and setting Blu Ray 24P to Auto but that did not correct the issue. Randomly, I decided to try selecting 1080i as my video output format and it seems to be working for now. Do you know if I am losing anything by using that instead of 1080p? I will attempt connecting directly to my tv if the issue returns.
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post #2648 of 3464
1/13/13 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

You're right, I forgot about X-High no longer being displayed.

No, no, no.

This is not right.

Netflix introduced "SuperHD" last week. These are ~5800kb/s streams. When the 590 see these you will see X-High shown on the Sony Display. The other 1080p stream is ~4600kb/s and you will see "High".

Not all shows have SuperHD, and you're ISP needs to also be in the Netflix club.
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post #2649 of 3464
1/13/13 at 11:20am
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Originally Posted by exibar View Post

Ok I can test that. But do you have any more details as to what file types were changed? The Seagate uses MiniDLNA, and I can get root access onto the box to make any config changes needed.

Looks like it's Xvid and MP4 that is having trouble playing on the s590.... Plays perfectly on the s570 though...

Video:
Mpeg-4 video (XVID)
resolution 720x544
framrate 23.976023

Audio:
Mpeg audio layer 1/2/3 (mpga)
Strereo
48000Hz
128kb/s

What config changes can I do to MiniDLNA to help my situation?

or is there anything I can apply to the s590?

or even what Video codec is the preferred codec to use for the s590 AND the s570 to render properly? what converter is considered the "best" to use for this that converts fast? I have a ton of movies and TV shows I've ripped over the years from my DVD's and VHS tapes that I really don't want to RIP again... I'd convert them if I had to though....

thanks!
Mike B

If you search through this thread, you can see various posts when this problem first manifested itself. People posted in how to edit the existing Serviio profile to make the 590 compatible again. You can look through those and see if you can make similar changes to the DLNA server you are using. Please try Serviio though. Each DLNA player can use a different profile, so you're 570 can use the older SONY BD profile and you're 590 can use the Sony Bravia 2012 - US profile. That way you don't need to change the original file.
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post #2650 of 3464
1/13/13 at 11:42am
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

As I understand it, Netflix no longer displays HD/X-High. 1080p content is simply HD/High:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/08/netflix-1080p-streams-no-longer-called-x-high-company-credits-i/

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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

You're right, I forgot about X-High no longer being displayed.

They replaced the old 4800 Kbps 1080p X-High/HD encodes with 3850 Kbps 1080p ones and the old 3600 Kbps 720p High/HD encodes with 3000 Kbps 720p ones, both encoded with some new tech that they bought from a company called eyeIO which supposedly delivers the same or better picture quality in less bandwidth (a claim for which they offer no proof). I think that those quality indicators are based on simple math so >= 2350 Kbps is Medium/HD, >= 3600 Kbps is High/HD and >= 4800 Kbps is X-High/HD. This makes both the 720p encodes register as Medium/HD and the 1080p one as High/HD.

Now they've announced new "Super HD" (rolleyes.gif) video, which adds two new encodes, at 4300 Kbps and 5800 Kbps, both 1080p. You can only get them, however, if your ISP is set up to get to their new Open Connect CDN (Content Distribution Network). Right now the only major ISP is the cable MSO Cablevision, but there are several small cable providers around the country who can get it (they make sure to note that Google Fiber is one of them, though they currently only serve some minor subset of Kansas City). They've also added some 3D encodes, which they say will need 12 Mbps of available connection bandwidth. (In general figure on needing between 120-130% more connection bandwidth than the stream encoding bit rate to keep up with it, so a bit over 5 Mbps for that 4300 Kbps encode and about 7 Mbps for the 5800 Kbps one). They're asking customers to ask their ISPs to add access to Open Connect rolleyes.gif. Personally I can't see any motive for the ISPs to do it, since they're already not particularly happy with the burden that Netflix streaming puts on their networks and this will only add to it.

So what we have now is two 720p encodes at 2350- and 3000 Kbps, both of which will show up as Medium/HD, one 3850 Kbps 1080p encode which will show as High/HD and, if you're one of the lucky few, 4300- (also High/HD) and 5800 Kbps (X-High/HD) 1080p encodes. I'd expect them to pare that down, but who knows.

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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

No, no, no.
Ninja'd a bit there, but mine was more thorough biggrin.gif. And it's "Super HD", two words (well, a word and an acronym).
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post #2651 of 3464
1/13/13 at 12:03pm
Thanks for the info. I guess I haven't been keeping up on what's happening with Netflix lately besides noticing X-High/HD disappearing and then completely forgetting about that too. eek.gif
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post #2652 of 3464
1/14/13 at 6:12am
On netflix, when i'm watching a TV series it will ask me from time to time if i'm still watching that series if i want to continue or go back to browsing. Is there a way to disable this?
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post #2653 of 3464
1/14/13 at 6:59am
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post


They replaced the old 4800 Kbps 1080p X-High/HD encodes with 3850 Kbps 1080p ones and the old 3600 Kbps 720p High/HD encodes with 3000 Kbps 720p ones, both encoded with some new tech that they bought from a company called eyeIO which supposedly delivers the same or better picture quality in less bandwidth (a claim for which they offer no proof). I think that those quality indicators are based on simple math so >= 2350 Kbps is Medium/HD, >= 3600 Kbps is High/HD and >= 4800 Kbps is X-High/HD. This makes both the 720p encodes register as Medium/HD and the 1080p one as High/HD.

Now they've announced new "Super HD" (rolleyes.gif) video, which adds two new encodes, at 4300 Kbps and 5800 Kbps, both 1080p. You can only get them, however, if your ISP is set up to get to their new Open Connect CDN (Content Distribution Network). Right now the only major ISP is the cable MSO Cablevision, but there are several small cable providers around the country who can get it (they make sure to note that Google Fiber is one of them, though they currently only serve some minor subset of Kansas City). They've also added some 3D encodes, which they say will need 12 Mbps of available connection bandwidth. (In general figure on needing between 120-130% more connection bandwidth than the stream encoding bit rate to keep up with it, so a bit over 5 Mbps for that 4300 Kbps encode and about 7 Mbps for the 5800 Kbps one). They're asking customers to ask their ISPs to add access to Open Connect rolleyes.gif. Personally I can't see any motive for the ISPs to do it, since they're already not particularly happy with the burden that Netflix streaming puts on their networks and this will only add to it.

So what we have now is two 720p encodes at 2350- and 3000 Kbps, both of which will show up as Medium/HD, one 3850 Kbps 1080p encode which will show as High/HD and, if you're one of the lucky few, 4300- (also High/HD) and 5800 Kbps (X-High/HD) 1080p encodes. I'd expect them to pare that down, but who knows.
Ninja'd a bit there, but mine was more thorough biggrin.gif. And it's "Super HD", two words (well, a word and an acronym).

Great post, michaeltscott. Great info. I've always wondered how Internet content providers would be able to differentiate service and/or how to monetize them. I don't have the facts, but I doubt bandwidth is an issue, particularly over these fixed line fiber optic networks (the mobile networks are a different story altogether). Bandwidth in their backbone networks is actually cheap and plentiful and ISPs are more than happy to sell subscribers higher speed connections. I actually wouldn't be surprised if Netflix negotiates a fee for Cablevision and the others to access their CDN as a "premium" service to the ISP. In exchange, Cablevision/Optimum can 1) boast that they are uniquely able to offer their subscribers Netflix Super HD and 2) Sell a higher-speed connection to subscribers who wish to take advantage of it and also potentially stream 3D content. I work in the networking industry, in fact Cablevision is a customer of ours, so I can ask some of our people who work with Cablevision what they know about this from an insider's perspective. Will let you know what if anything I can find out.
Edited by jonny-zed - 1/14/13 at 9:15am
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post #2654 of 3464
1/14/13 at 10:48am
Not sure if it has been mentioned before but everytim I use the simulate 3D option while playing a bluray the remote stops working n the depth level menu gets stuck on the screen and the only way to stop the movie is to manually click stop in the player. Im on my second player so I'm wondering if im doin something wrong
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post #2655 of 3464
1/14/13 at 11:52am
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Originally Posted by frank5509 View Post

Can someone help me setting up this BDP so that I take advantage of those device. Sony BDP-s590 with Pioneer VSX-52 + Panasonic Tv 54g25.

Thank you!

Anyone can help me setting up the blu-ray with my 5.1 speaker setup after all these days?

Thanks
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post #2656 of 3464
1/14/13 at 12:09pm
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Originally Posted by frank5509 View Post

Anyone can help me setting up the blu-ray with my 5.1 speaker setup after all these days?

Thanks

if you are asking if you need to change any settings on the player for your Pioneer AVR and Panasonic Plasma TV, the answer is basically no. Simply connect via HDMI cable from blu ray player to your Pioneer AVR input. Connect AVR to TV via another HDMI cable and you should be all set for surround 5.1 sound and a great picture with THX certification on both your AVR and TV.

Is there something specific you wanted to know? The first post really covers the settings most people would want if they are experiencing any problems.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread#post_21698207
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Useful Settings

During playback of BD or DVD

Picture Quality : Normal (standard mode. Avoid using the others)
BNR: Off
MNR: Off

During Internet video playback

IP Content Noise Reduction: Off

Screen Settings:

All defaults other than:

Screen Format: Actually toggle this one back and forth between Full and Normal depending on if I want 4:3 content to be stretched across 16:9. This setting only effects DVD. Streaming content is not effected (with latest firmware).

** Ensure you download the latest firmware that addresses an issue with YCbCr 4:2:2, 4:4:4 and RGB colorspaces **
The firmware may also introduce a problem playing back some files with DLNA. If you are using Serviio or HomeShare, refer to the following post with a fix:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1396469/official-sony-bdp-s590-and-bdp-390-thread/1560#post_22244982

Audio settings:

DSD Output mode: DSD (note, you can only do this if you're receiver can decode DSD directly
BD Audio Mix: Off (Allows for high-resolution audio bitstream from player)
Audio DRC: Off (Hate compression generally)
Downmix: Surround (if you're receiver supports Dolby Pro Logic / II or DTS Neo, etc)

Think thats it.

A note about 24p

There are now two settings for 24p output.

By default they are

BD-ROM 24p output: On
DVD-ROM 24p output: Off

and I left them like that. Many DVDs are not 24p compatible, and with DVD generally a last resort, can't be bothered to keep toggling this one.
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post #2657 of 3464
1/14/13 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Only you can decide that.

In a way yes, but there are certain features and hardware that make certain players better than others. I was just wondering if the Panasonic BDT210 was better or worse than the S590
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post #2658 of 3464
1/14/13 at 2:22pm
One difference between the two that I've seen mentioned on AVS is that the Panasonic player doesn't support 5.1 audio from Netflix, while the Sony player does.
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post #2659 of 3464
1/14/13 at 3:39pm
Ok ive been reading this post for over an hour and am debating on buying a 390. What I am wanting to know though is will I have problems playing my mp4's , avi's and mkv's through a USB HD or Flash drive?

Thanks
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post #2660 of 3464
1/14/13 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

One difference between the two that I've seen mentioned on AVS is that the Panasonic player doesn't support 5.1 audio from Netflix, while the Sony player does.

The Panasonic players don't support 5.1 sound on Amazon; they've supported 5.1 sound on Netflix for as long as any platform other than the PS3. They also haven't been upgraded to support Wishlists, making them the least capable Amazon on any device that I own. The latest update to the Sony Amazon player raised it from an infuriatingly bad UI to one that's at least usable, though it still has useless tiny thumbs in its browser and extremely slow stream starts (for me--others report a different experience).
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1/14/13 at 6:04pm
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Originally Posted by TrxR View Post

Ok ive been reading this post for over an hour and am debating on buying a 390. What I am wanting to know though is will I have problems playing my mp4's , avi's and mkv's through a USB HD or Flash drive?

Thanks

That depends on how your files are encoded. Download a manual for the player to see a list of supported codecs. As an example, for .avi files, Xvid is supported but Divx is not supported.
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1/14/13 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by MyTMouse View Post

In a way yes, but there are certain features and hardware that make certain players better than others. I was just wondering if the Panasonic BDT210 was better or worse than the S590

Given this is a Sony forum it pretty obvious what most of us prefer. I had a BDT 210 and 220. They both went back. The BDT 210 netflix client was without doubt the worst piece of c**p I have ever used. Although they improved it on the 220 the Hulu client was a disaster with it crashing most of the time. I loathed the viera connect UI, loathed the 24p output from streaming and there's no crackle, so no Seinfeld.

No amazon 5.1 made became a showstopper.

I agree the amazon and Hulu UIs on the Sony aren't as nice as the ps3, but since they now support wishlists and subscriptions its not really a issue.

Others can chime in on bd and DVD, but there wasn't much difference.
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1/14/13 at 8:46pm
I have looked around and hope this is the best place. I need some help knowing how to set up my system. I have a Sony DAV-DZ175 1000w home theater system and I recently got a Sony BDP-S390 blu ray player to hook up to it instead of the standard DVD player that came with it. However, I am clueless how to connect the BDP-S390 to my surround sound. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!
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post #2664 of 3464
1/14/13 at 8:59pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

The BDT 210 netflix client was without doubt the worst piece of c**p I have ever used.

Huh. It was the best I've used (of course now they've changed it to be the same as all of the others). It was identical to the first installed GUI on my PS3 and the most powerful embedded Netflix client I know of, having dozens of genres and sub-genres with the ability to list up to 250 titles for each, 10 per page, as opposed to the now ubiquitous UI (identical on my PS3, BDT220, TiVo and S390) with its small handful of genres with a maximum of 50 titles in each, shown 5 at a time.
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1/14/13 at 9:07pm
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Originally Posted by capnlando View Post

I have looked around and hope this is the best place. I need some help knowing how to set up my system. I have a Sony DAV-DZ175 1000w home theater system and I recently got a Sony BDP-S390 blu ray player to hook up to it instead of the standard DVD player that came with it. However, I am clueless how to connect the BDP-S390 to my surround sound. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated!

Your home theater only has one surround input, which is the optical toslink input. Connect this to the optical output of the S390. If you have other devices that you want to get surround output from (for example a cable or satellite box), consider investing in a dedicated receiver with multiple HDMI inputs.
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1/14/13 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post

Huh. It was the best I've used (of course now they've changed it to be the same as all of the others). It was identical to the first installed GUI on my PS3 and the most powerful embedded Netflix client I know of, having dozens of genres and sub-genres with the ability to list up to 250 titles for each, 10 per page, as opposed to the now ubiquitous UI (identical on my PS3, BDT220, TiVo and S390) with its small handful of genres with a maximum of 50 titles in each, shown 5 at a time.

Black flashes. No thanks.
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1/14/13 at 10:05pm
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

Your home theater only has one surround input, which is the optical toslink input. Connect this to the optical output of the S390. If you have other devices that you want to get surround output from (for example a cable or satellite box), consider investing in a dedicated receiver with multiple HDMI inputs.

Thanks for your help. Yes, my home theater has a optical toslink input but it seems the S390 does not. It does have an coaxial cable. Will that work also?
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1/14/13 at 10:37pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Black flashes. No thanks.

Touché biggrin.gif. I'd forgotten about that.
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post #2669 of 3464
1/15/13 at 2:06am
Hey guys, I think I may be having issues with the forum. I've asked, or posted sever updates, or asked a couple questions, and haven't gotten any replies. Not only that, when I login to check if people have replied, it will say that I'm offline, or when I am supposed to get an email telling me the thread is update, it hasn't been working reliably like it used to. I just checked now, for example, and there were a ton of replies since i last asked, and no reply to my question, but this time it said i was online which was correct.

I do understand with the email system, I won't get notified again, until i visit the forum and read the current replies, which I had been doing, and it still wasn't working like it used to.

If someone is aware of any technical issues the forum might be having, please let me know. I don't come all that often anymore, I was just checking as to why I wasn't hearing back from people, and if my posts aren't being seen, or if something else is going on technical wise.

Thanks
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post #2670 of 3464
1/15/13 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by MacinMan View Post

Hey guys, I think I may be having issues with the forum. I've asked, or posted sever updates, or asked a couple questions, and haven't gotten any replies. Not only that, when I login to check if people have replied, it will say that I'm offline, or when I am supposed to get an email telling me the thread is update, it hasn't been working reliably like it used to. I just checked now, for example, and there were a ton of replies since i last asked, and no reply to my question, but this time it said i was online which was correct.

I do understand with the email system, I won't get notified again, until i visit the forum and read the current replies, which I had been doing, and it still wasn't working like it used to.

If someone is aware of any technical issues the forum might be having, please let me know. I don't come all that often anymore, I was just checking as to why I wasn't hearing back from people, and if my posts aren't being seen, or if something else is going on technical wise.

Thanks

Seen and read. I think some of your posts in this thread are so specific that many don't reply because they don't use their player the same way you do. I don't Netflix and your post about Verizon 4G LTE with streaming doesn't apply to me either. Keep asking?
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