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post #2731 of 3470
1/19/13 at 8:42am
I know this has been mentioned many times early on in this thread, but after exhaustive web searching can't find the solution:

I just bought 3 new bluray players...2 BDP-S590s and an LG BP-220. The sony's wont play the media files on my NAS server-the LG and my Xbox plays them fine. How do I fix this? (they are AVI, but show as "mpeg" on the sony.

Switching to a different media server isn't really an option; My NAS device is performing multiple functions (web, ftp, and media server) and I like the fact I don't have to leave a computer on for PC based software media server solutions.

The NAS runs Twonky.

Is there a way to get the Sonys to work, or do I need to wait for a firmware for my NAS, or a firmware for the Sonys?

I also really don't want to exchange the Sony's either, as the UI is one of the fastest I've seen (even faster than the LG I bought). Plus, I have two Sony TVs and 1 LG tv (that is why I bought 2 sony blurays and 1 LG bluray players).

Thank you,

-Alan
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post #2732 of 3470
1/19/13 at 8:56am
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Originally Posted by FirebirdTN View Post

I know this has been mentioned many times early on in this thread, but after exhaustive web searching can't find the solution:

I just bought 3 new bluray players...2 BDP-S590s and an LG BP-220. The sony's wont play the media files on my NAS server-the LG and my Xbox plays them fine. How do I fix this? (they are AVI, but show as "mpeg" on the sony.

Switching to a different media server isn't really an option; My NAS device is performing multiple functions (web, ftp, and media server) and I like the fact I don't have to leave a computer on for PC based software media server solutions.

The NAS runs Twonky.

Is there a way to get the Sonys to work, or do I need to wait for a firmware for my NAS, or a firmware for the Sonys?

I also really don't want to exchange the Sony's either, as the UI is one of the fastest I've seen (even faster than the LG I bought). Plus, I have two Sony TVs and 1 LG tv (that is why I bought 2 sony blurays and 1 LG bluray players).

Thank you,

-Alan

Unfortunately this issue comes up a fair bit. It's currently a topic off discussion on the s790 forum. DLNA servers on NAS devices are often more difficult to configure for particular players but twonky is normally pretty good.

Have a look at this thread

http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=67597

Unless anyone here is using twonky on a NAS you probably will have better luck searching and asking in the twonky forums.

Many of us that are using DLNA with these players uses Serviio or Homestream.
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post #2733 of 3470
1/19/13 at 9:00am
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Originally Posted by am_dew View Post

Just installed Serviio. Shall I choose the Bravia 2012 or the Bravia 2012 - US profile?

Bravia 2012 - us and you should be fine, assuming its a USA player.

Under transcoding tab you can deselect that depending on what media you are trying to play.
This will allow the player to playback the files natively
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post #2734 of 3470
1/19/13 at 9:19am
Am_dew, pick the US profile if you are in the US. Foreign players can play divx avi's without modification, but US players can't, hence the different profile.
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post #2735 of 3470
1/19/13 at 9:38am
Thanks apw2607 and mdavej. Streaming away smile.gif
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post #2736 of 3470
1/19/13 at 10:09am
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Originally Posted by am_dew View Post

Thanks apw2607 and mdavej. Streaming away smile.gif

You still gonna get that WD TV ?

;-)
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post #2737 of 3470
1/19/13 at 10:14am
Hi,

Am facing a connectivity issue / Challenge with BDP-S490.

The eco system :
A) Samsung LED TV ES5600
B) Samsung HW-D450 sound bar
C) Sony BDP-S490

Connection between LED TV and Sound bar is via an optical cable - source DIGI 1 - working fine as sound is relayed from TV to sound bar
Connection between Sony BDP and LED TV via HDMI - Working fine - can see movies / play music cds etc.

What is not working is the direct connection between Sony BDP - 490 to the Sound bar - Via optical cable - Source Digi 2 - NOT WORKING FINE
Every time I try to play music (a pre-recorded MP3 Disc) it switches on the TV and relays the sound via the TV to the sound bar.
It does not play the music directly from BDP to sound bar directly even though the source at Sound bar is changed to DIGI 2 ( connection - optical cable direclty between the 2 systems via optical cable)

Any help would be much appreciated since I want to play music on the BDP player which should directly get relayed through the Sound bar without the need to switch on the TV.
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post #2738 of 3470
1/19/13 at 11:31am
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

You still gonna get that WD TV ?

;-)

Time will tell but probably not as long as Serviio plays what I want it to.
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post #2739 of 3470
1/19/13 at 11:38am
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Originally Posted by Vishal Shastri View Post

Hi,

Am facing a connectivity issue / Challenge with BDP-S490.

The eco system :
A) Samsung LED TV ES5600
B) Samsung HW-D450 sound bar
C) Sony BDP-S490

Connection between LED TV and Sound bar is via an optical cable - source DIGI 1 - working fine as sound is relayed from TV to sound bar
Connection between Sony BDP and LED TV via HDMI - Working fine - can see movies / play music cds etc.

What is not working is the direct connection between Sony BDP - 490 to the Sound bar - Via optical cable - Source Digi 2 - NOT WORKING FINE
Every time I try to play music (a pre-recorded MP3 Disc) it switches on the TV and relays the sound via the TV to the sound bar.
It does not play the music directly from BDP to sound bar directly even though the source at Sound bar is changed to DIGI 2 ( connection - optical cable direclty between the 2 systems via optical cable)

Any help would be much appreciated since I want to play music on the BDP player which should directly get relayed through the Sound bar without the need to switch on the TV.

Both the audio outputs on HDMI and Optical should be active at the same time. The only thing I can think of is HDMI control might be getting in the way.

Is the problem for all disk types (mp3 data disk). Have you tried a regular CD ? How about a DVD?

A few settings to try:

In System Settings:

Ensure HDMI Control is turned off.

In Audio settings:

Dolby / DTS : PCM (although I would imagine youre sound bar is DD and DTS compatible. Playing MP3 Cds shouldn't really be a issue anyway).
Downmix : Stereo
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post #2740 of 3470
1/19/13 at 6:25pm
Hey All,
Having an issue with Netflix streaming/stuttering through my S390 and was hoping to be enlightened

I have a 15Mbs connection coming into my house via a Motorola SB5100 Cable Modem
It then goes into a Belkin N300 router
Out of the N300, I have one hard line that goes to a generic switch, that then feeds my Dish VIP622, S390, and Xbox 360.

When playing any streaming TV show from Netflix through the S390, it will start stuttering and reloading about 10 minutes in.
When playing any streaming TV show from Netflix through the Xbox 360, it will run night and day with not so much as a hint of a stutter.

I have assigned both the S390 and Xbox their own private IP address....
I have unpowered the modem, router and switch to no avail....

It seems to point towards the S390....

Any hints to this one??

thanks
Bama
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post #2741 of 3470
1/19/13 at 7:46pm
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Originally Posted by bamafamily View Post

Hey All,
Having an issue with Netflix streaming/stuttering through my S390 and was hoping to be enlightened

I have a 15Mbs connection coming into my house via a Motorola SB5100 Cable Modem
It then goes into a Belkin N300 router
Out of the N300, I have one hard line that goes to a generic switch, that then feeds my Dish VIP622, S390, and Xbox 360.

When playing any streaming TV show from Netflix through the S390, it will start stuttering and reloading about 10 minutes in.
When playing any streaming TV show from Netflix through the Xbox 360, it will run night and day with not so much as a hint of a stutter.

I have assigned both the S390 and Xbox their own private IP address....
I have unpowered the modem, router and switch to no avail....

It seems to point towards the S390....

Any hints to this one??

thanks
Bama

Try taking the switch out temporarily and connecting the s390 directly to the router - for test purposes.

Static versus dynamic IP address shouldn't make any difference, but could try dynamic on the 390.

Try a factory reset. Do you have the latest firmware?

Failing all that try another one if its a option.
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post #2742 of 3470
1/19/13 at 10:37pm
Is anyone else experiencing any issues connecting to any of the SEN services?

They were working last month when I used them last but this week, I keep getting the re-connect pop up.

Vudu, Youtube, Vimeo, Crackle, and all the other services connect just fine but when I try to pull up the SEN portal, or music or video unlimited, I'm told the service is down and to try and re-connect. I tried power cycling the modem to see if its a routing issue, didn't seem to help.

EDIT: Nevermind.. I just checked it tonight and all SEN services seem to be operational again. Maybe my isp just had a weird routing issue or some such.
Edited by Devianza - 1/19/13 at 10:44pm
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post #2743 of 3470
1/20/13 at 7:03am
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Originally Posted by am_dew View Post

Thanks again. I am also considering a WD TV Live device, which looks like it may do what Serviio can do as far as being able to stream more file formats than Windows DLNA.

Be sure to do some checking around, however, with regards to picture quality from the WD box; especially if you have a lot of SD content.
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post #2744 of 3470
1/20/13 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Dolby / DTS : PCM (although I would imagine youre sound bar is DD and DTS compatible. Playing MP3 Cds shouldn't really be a issue anyway).
Downmix : Stereo

Be aware that all/most of the lower cost sound bars can only decode Dolby Digital (AC-3) and not DTS. This can cause confusion when it seems to be working, and then you get 'static' or silence when playing back a bitstream DTS audio track.
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post #2745 of 3470
1/20/13 at 7:42am
I have a sony bdp s-590. Is it possible to stream from my computer the desktop or whatever is "playing" on my computer rather than streaming files from the computer (this may be relevant if I want to watch something that is streaming in flash or silverlight that I can watch on my computer but cannot save as an actual file). If it is possible - can someone please let me know how this is done.

Many thanks!
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post #2746 of 3470
1/20/13 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by ramlin View Post

I have a sony bdp s-590. Is it possible to stream from my computer the desktop or whatever is "playing" on my computer rather than streaming files from the computer (this may be relevant if I want to watch something that is streaming in flash or silverlight that I can watch on my computer but cannot save as an actual file). If it is possible - can someone please let me know how this is done.

Many thanks!

One way to do it is to connect your computer directly to your receiver or TV. Various connection methods work, depending on the connections available on both devices and the distances involved: HDMI, DVI, Displayport-to-HDMI adapter, HDMI over CAT5, or VGA + analog or digital audio.

Unfortunately, the network protocols that I'm aware of which are currently available in home entertainment equipment don't support "remote desktop" functionality. I'd be glad to hear otherwise!

Edited to add: Vampidemic's post below shows otherwise!
Edited by Selden Ball - 1/20/13 at 9:46am
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post #2747 of 3470
1/20/13 at 9:30am
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Originally Posted by ramlin View Post

I have a sony bdp s-590. Is it possible to stream from my computer the desktop or whatever is "playing" on my computer rather than streaming files from the computer (this may be relevant if I want to watch something that is streaming in flash or silverlight that I can watch on my computer but cannot save as an actual file). If it is possible - can someone please let me know how this is done.

Many thanks!

This is possible with Serviio under Windows (I use a Mac myself, so have not tried this myself), but it sounds like there is a good amount of work to get it set up. Link below:

http://wiki.serviio.org/doku.php?id=stream_pc
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post #2748 of 3470
1/20/13 at 9:46am
Vampidemic,

Thanks for the correction!
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post #2749 of 3470
1/20/13 at 10:21am
3 Quick questions about the quality of 5.1 surround sound on the s390.

As you know, the unit does not have an optical option (coaxial instead). My questions are:
1) Is optical supreme for sound compared to coaxial? I believe so but just want to be sure.
2) can coaxial play 5.1 surround or just stereo?
3) depending on the answer to #2, is this $12 converter worth the sound difference? I do love the best sound possible but if would hardly be noticeable i would rather save my money. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Connection-Optical-Toslink-to-Coaxial-RCA-Digital-Audio-Converter-GC10048-/330859930404?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4d08c9e324
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post #2750 of 3470
1/20/13 at 10:24am
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Originally Posted by capnlando View Post

3 Quick questions about the quality of 5.1 surround sound on the s390.

As you know, the unit does not have an optical option (coaxial instead). My questions are:
1) Is optical supreme for sound compared to coaxial? I believe so but just want to be sure.
Both provide identical audio quality.
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2) can coaxial play 5.1 surround or just stereo?
5.1 Dolby Digital and 5.1 DTS, stereo PCM, identical to optical.
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3) depending on the answer to #2, is this $12 converter worth the sound difference? I do love the best sound possible but if would hardly be noticeable i would rather save my money. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Green-Connection-Optical-Toslink-to-Coaxial-RCA-Digital-Audio-Converter-GC10048-/330859930404?pt=US_Audio_Cables_Adapters&hash=item4d08c9e324
It should work fine.
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post #2751 of 3470
1/20/13 at 10:35am
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Try taking the switch out temporarily and connecting the s390 directly to the router - for test purposes.

Static versus dynamic IP address shouldn't make any difference, but could try dynamic on the 390.

Try a factory reset. Do you have the latest firmware?

Failing all that try another one if its a option.

thanks for the comment....I tried everything including:
cooling down the unit
switching to wireless
resetting the s390
dynamic IP address
new private ip address
and connecting directly to the source bypassing the switch....

All still to no avail....

Anything else I can try???

as a side note, I was pulling SERVIIO video from my computer at an average rate of 10Mbs with no issue through the S390..
Everything is pointing at Netflix but I can figure out why...
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post #2752 of 3470
1/20/13 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by bamafamily View Post

thanks for the comment....I tried everything including:
cooling down the unit
switching to wireless
resetting the s390
dynamic IP address
new private ip address
and connecting directly to the source bypassing the switch....

All still to no avail....

Anything else I can try???

as a side note, I was pulling SERVIIO video from my computer at an average rate of 10Mbs with no issue through the S390..
Everything is pointing at Netflix but I can figure out why...

Hang on a sec. Does Xbox 360 support 1080p netflix streams?

It could be that you're seeing a 720 p stream on your Xbox 360 but on the s390 its trying to show you the 1080p stream but maybe you don't have enough bandwidth ????

You could try the test file example short 23.976 in netflix . It should give you a overlay and tell you resolution and bitrate. Compare between 360 and 390.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Example_Short_23.976/70136810?locale=en-US
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post #2753 of 3470
1/20/13 at 5:24pm
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Hang on a sec. Does Xbox 360 support 1080p netflix streams?

It could be that you're seeing a 720 p stream on your Xbox 360 but on the s390 its trying to show you the 1080p stream but maybe you don't have enough bandwidth ????

You could try the test file example short 23.976 in netflix . It should give you a overlay and tell you resolution and bitrate. Compare between 360 and 390.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Example_Short_23.976/70136810?locale=en-US

Thanks very much for the test file. did not know that Netflix had such a thing...Here are the results:

TheS390 played the test file up to 1080 @ 5800Kbs and started stuttering
The Xbox only would do 720 and therefore only got up to 3000Kbs with no stuttering.

so it looks like my bandwidth point for Netflix is between 2Mbs and 5.8Mbs

My 2 questions:
1) How does Serviio stream beyond 5.8Mbs with no issue
2) how do I tell Netflix to only stream 720p max??

thanks again

Bama
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post #2754 of 3470
1/20/13 at 5:33pm
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Originally Posted by bamafamily View Post

Thanks very much for the test file. did not know that Netflix had such a thing...Here are the results:

TheS390 played the test file up to 1080 @ 5800Kbs and started stuttering
The Xbox only would do 720 and therefore only got up to 3000Kbs with no stuttering.

so it looks like my bandwidth point for Netflix is between 2Mbs and 5.8Mbs

My 2 questions:
1) How does Serviio stream beyond 5.8Mbs with no issue
2) how do I tell Netflix to only stream 720p max??

thanks again

Bama

The Serviio stream is local network. Local network isn't the issue with Netflix. Its your internet ISP bandwith you need to look at, and if its sufficient for netflix.

If you goto speedtest.net you can check your bandwith with your ISP.

In your netflix settings (logging into netflix account on your computer), you can specify what type of quality you would like.
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post #2755 of 3470
1/20/13 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by bamafamily View Post

2) how do I tell Netflix to only stream 720p max??
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

In your netflix settings (logging into netflix account on your computer), you can specify what type of quality you would like.

You do that at Netflix's "Manage Quality" page. The only problem is that there have only been 3 tiers of quality, and the middle tier, called "Better" caps things at 1300 Mbps, below the 1750 Kbps best SD quality (that 1300 Kbps is probably based on 1050 Kbps video + 192 Kbps sound--see the end of this Netflix blog post).

Your ISP is one of a select few who've signed up for access to Netflix's Open Connect CDN (Content Delivery Network), which gives you access to the new "Super HD" video encodes, 4300 Kbps and 5800 Kbps. Most of the rest of the country is currently restricted to the 3850 Kbps 1080p video encode, which you might actually be able to handle, being only 66% of that 5800 Kbps one. For people like you, Netflix may have added a new tier on the "Manage Quality" page to lock out Super HD; check it out and tell us if there is one.

Otherwise the only way to restrict the Sony BDP to Netflix's 720p encode is to set the output resolution to 720p, which would be annoying since you'd have to switch it back to 1080p to get full PQ for BD playback.
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post #2756 of 3470
1/20/13 at 6:14pm
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Originally Posted by Selden Ball View Post

Both provide identical audio quality.
5.1 Dolby Digital and 5.1 DTS, stereo PCM, identical to optical.
It should work fine.

This is good for me to know. I have always heard it is all about optical and, in fact, the s590 was better in this area because it had optical vs. coaxial. Sounds like I was mislead?
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post #2757 of 3470
1/20/13 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by michaeltscott View Post


You do that at Netflix's "Manage Quality" page. The only problem is that there have only been 3 tiers of quality, and the middle tier, called "Better" caps things at 1300 Mbps, below the 1750 Kbps best SD quality (that 1300 Kbps is probably based on 1050 Kbps video + 192 Kbps sound--see the end of this Netflix blog post).

Your ISP is one of a select few who've signed up for access to Netflix's Open Connect CDN (Content Delivery Network), which gives you access to the new "Super HD" video encodes, 4300 Kbps and 5800 Kbps. Most of the rest of the country is currently restricted to the 3850 Kbps 1080p video encode, which you might actually be able to handle, being only 66% of that 5800 Kbps one. For people like you, Netflix may have added a new tier on the "Manage Quality" page to lock out Super HD; check it out and tell us if there is one.

Otherwise the only way to restrict the Sony BDP to Netflix's 720p encode is to set the output resolution to 720p, which would be annoying since you'd have to switch it back to 1080p to get full PQ for BD playback.

Thanks for the info.....very informative....
- I finally found the Video Settings in Netflix. Unfortunately, there are still only 3 tiers which is a little constraining
- I put the intermal IP of the S390 in the DMZ..not sure if that helped anything
- I did lower the quality to the "Better" setting and everything played fine, but that is a little low for my taste. I ran the Netflix Test video and it indeed stopped at 1300Mbs
- The S390 was originally set at 1080P in the video setting. I lowered it to 720P and put the Netflix setting back at best. For some reason the Test Video still ran the 1080P portion (4300 and 5800) portion of the test...It also said 1080 in the info portion of the resolution during the test. I would have though that it would not have went out of the 720P realm with the S390 setting clamping it down.

I am getting a constant 13+ Mb/s speed rating at my PC...Why wont Netflix pass that along??? ping levels??

thanks again for all the help

Bama
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1/20/13 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by bamafamily View Post

- The S390 was originally set at 1080P in the video setting. I lowered it to 720P and put the Netflix setting back at best. For some reason the Test Video still ran the 1080P portion (4300 and 5800) portion of the test...It also said 1080 in the info portion of the resolution during the test. I would have though that it would not have went out of the 720P realm with the S390 setting clamping it down.

Damn--I was afraid of that. A couple of other Netflix players in devices that I own have, after recent updates, stopped being restricted by the output resolution setting. My TiVo Premiere and Panasonic DMP-BDT220 are among them. I can't imagine why they made that change--It's a waste of bandwidth for them to play video encodes at resolutions that they can't display. (BTW, the 3850 Kbps encode is also 1080p).

I honestly don't know what to tell you at this point. The S390's Netflix player should play the highest video encode that it can keep its buffer full of in the available bandwidth. It might switch up and down the top few, but it shouldn't "stutter".
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1/20/13 at 9:43pm
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You don't have anyone else on your network sucking up bandwidth ? Whether local or your external connection ?

There's another data point. See how much external bandwidth the 390 sees.

Goto > network > opera tv store

Goto more apps

"Use" category

And launch screen and network test

Run the Internet connection network test.
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1/20/13 at 10:22pm
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Originally Posted by capnlando View Post

This is good for me to know. I have always heard it is all about optical and, in fact, the s590 was better in this area because it had optical vs. coaxial. Sounds like I was mislead?

The reason that the BDP-S590 is better in this area is because it has optical AND coaxial, which provides more flexibility for interfacing. Some devices only have optical inputs and/or a user may have a device with a limited number of inputs overall.

But yes, optical and coaxial send the same bits, so the sound quality will be exactly the same. Of course, it should go without saying that HDMI provides the highest quality digital audio from a Blu-ray player. Only HDMI supports lossless HD surround formats (DTS HD-MA and Dolby TrueHD).
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