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I will call and hopefully get a tech that knows what I am talking about..
Is there anyway to know what they are actually force feeding me in the stream besides just a "Super HD" name on the display??
And from what I am reading, as my ISP is part of this new club, Super HD could be 4300 or 5800, right?? no way to distinguish??

Yes, Super HD is actually two encodes, one at 4300 Kbps and one at 5800 Kbps; any Super HD title will have both. In most players there's no way to see which encode you're getting at the moment (and Super HD has broken that indicator in the player which feature it). I'm pretty sure that a CSR working with you over the phone will be able to see what you're getting.
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Originally Posted by jonny-zed View Post

Capnlando - you mentioned you were considering that Onkyo system I pointed you to on woot.com. Curious to know if you did indeed order it. That system gives you HDMI all around. Or is this a different application? If you did order it, I'll be anxious to hear how you make out with it. Please do let us know.

Hello again jonny-zed. Yes, I bought the system on Friday and it looks like it will arrive today. I hope to set it up tonight. I asked my question because I was ignorant/mislead about audio a long time ago. I was told HDMI is best video but audio is best through optical. I will definitely use just my HDMI for both video and audio going forward thanks to you and the AVS folks and the woot deal!
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Very cool, capnlando, very cool. Welcome to the joys of HDMI. Just don't overpay for your cables by purchasing them at Best Buy or Staples. Much better to get them from a reputable online source. I recently got a 6 ft Mediabridge High Speed HDMI cable with Ethernet for $9.99 from Amazon when I bought my Dad his BDP-S390 (I have the 590). Very nice quality at a reasonable price. Others here may have other opinions or even better ideas.

P.S. I happened to notice that Amazon is selling that Onkyo system for $325! Guess that's why they call it WOOT! LOL biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by apw2607 View Post

Unfortunately this issue comes up a fair bit. It's currently a topic off discussion on the s790 forum. DLNA servers on NAS devices are often more difficult to configure for particular players but twonky is normally pretty good.

Have a look at this thread

http://forum.qnap.com/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=67597

Unless anyone here is using twonky on a NAS you probably will have better luck searching and asking in the twonky forums.

Many of us that are using DLNA with these players uses Serviio or Homestream.

Thank you so much for getting back with me. I do appreciate the info.

DLNA seems like such a GREAT idea, but man...what a pain in the a**. I have to rant...

So I bought my NAS appliance primarily for network storage, and built in web and ftp capabilities. I had never heard of DLNA, but after seeing what it was I thought what a pleasant bonus! I happened to have a few DLNA renderers and didn't even realize it. So, getting it set up, I was rather disappointed when my Samsung BD-C5500s kept disconnecting after about 2 minutes of playback. On web searching, I found others with similar issues with no resolution. I had upgraded my NAS to the latest firmware right after taking it out of the box which installed Twonky on it. During my research, I found out the firmware it came with (a few versions back) actually used an entirely different media server (Rovi, formerly macrovision). So, I downgraded the firmware, and that took care of the disconnect issue. But I lost the ability to fast forward, rewind, and PAUSE playback. I can live without FF, and RW, but no PAUSE is a deal breaker. So back to the latest firmware and Twonky, hoping one day I will see a fix. Later is when I decided to get some new players (we're also a netflix family cause I'm cheap, and I needed another Netflix player anyway). So I picked up the 590s and an LG BP-220. And of course 1 of the Sonys wouldn't play my files, but netflix worked great. The other sony WOULD play my files (the firmware was older), but Netflix didn't work. The LG worked fine with everything, but the UI is clunky and slow.

I even tried calling Sony support (if nothing else, to make them aware of the issue), and the first rep I got was a joke. CLUELESS. I hung up on them, and the 2nd I got was pretty knowledgeable, but was of the opinion the reason my files wouldn't play was because of the new copy protection introduced in the new firmware. I couldn't argue one way or another since I was unfamiliar with it (Cinavia) and called from work at the time. It wasn't until long after hanging up and researching Cinavia and testing that I realized that couldn't be the issue as my files are older than the technology. Oh well.

So tonight I went BACK to the old firmware on my NAS, and tried the Sony with the newest firmware, and voila ... EVERYTHING WORKS, including FF, RW, Pause, DLNA playback, etc. WONDERFUL, so I went ahead and update the firmware of the other Sony, and its working great too. Now the LG won't see the media server HAHA HAHAHA. This is nuts.

Anyway, the LG is going back, and I'm picking up a THIRD 590 and calling it a day (more like a week I've been at this).

In short, DLNA playback is GREAT in theory, not so much in practical use...or at least that has been my experience anyway.

-Alan
Edited by FirebirdTN - 1/23/13 at 6:21pm
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Originally Posted by FirebirdTN View Post

Thank you so much for getting back with me. I do appreciate the info.

DLNA seems like such a GREAT idea, but man...what a pain in the a**. I have to rant...

So I bought my NAS appliance primarily for network storage, and built in web and ftp capabilities. I had never heard of DLNA, but after seeing what it was I thought what a pleasant bonus! I happened to have a few DLNA renderers and didn't even realize it. So, getting it set up, I was rather disappointed when my Samsung BD-C5500s kept disconnecting after about 2 minutes of playback. On web searching, I found others with similar issues with no resolution. I had upgraded my NAS to the latest firmware right after taking it out of the box which installed Twonky on it. During my research, I found out the firmware it came with (a few versions back) actually used an entirely different media server (Rovi, formerly macrovision). So, I downgraded the firmware, and that took care of the disconnect issue. But I lost the ability to fast forward, rewind, and PAUSE playback. I can live without FF, and RW, but no PAUSE is a deal breaker. So back to the latest firmware and Twonky, hoping one day I will see a fix. Later is when I decided to get some new players (we're also a netflix family cause I'm cheap, and I needed another Netflix player anyway). So I picked up the 590s and an LG BP-220. And of course 1 of the Sonys wouldn't play my files, but netflix worked great. The other sony WOULD play my files (the firmware was older), but Netflix didn't work. The LG worked fine with everything, but the UI is clunky and slow.

I even tried calling Sony support (if nothing else, to make them aware of the issue), and the first rep I got was a joke. CLUELESS. I hung up on them, and the 2nd I got was pretty knowledgeable, but was of the opinion the reason my files wouldn't play was because of the new copy protection introduced in the new firmware. I couldn't argue one way or another since I was unfamiliar with it (Cinavia) and called from work at the time. It wasn't until long after hanging up and researching Cinavia and testing that I realized that couldn't be the issue as my files are older than the technology. Oh well.

So tonight I went BACK to the old firmware on my NAS, and tried the Sony with the newest firmware, and voila ... EVERYTHING WORKS, including FF, RW, Pause, DLNA playback, etc. WONDERFUL, so I went ahead and update the firmware of the other Sony, and its working great too. Now the LG won't see the media server HAHA HAHAHA. This is nuts.

Anyway, the LG is going back, and I'm picking up a THIRD 590 and calling it a day (more like a week I've been at this).

In short, DLNA playback is GREAT in theory, not so much in practical use...or at least that has been my experience anyway.

-Alan

Thats great. On the S790 thread we've also now got two NAS users reporting today their S790 is playing MKVs perfectly from their NAS devices without transcoding. They needed to add a patch to the miniDLNA server on the NAS to fix the issue.

In fairness to Sony, for their reps to be knowledgeable in DLNA servers is asking a bit much. Theres so many different servers out there, and with different network configurations, they just wouldn't have the expertise to troubleshoot it.
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FWIW-

My NAS is a ZyXel NSA-310. With firmware 4.40 (Rovi media server) it works perfectly with these Sony BDP-S590s with the latest (.0430) firmware. Disclaimer: All my files are Xvid, so I don't know about MKV playback (this is all new to me).

Twonky 7.0.9 (installed on the ZyXel with firmware 4.50 and up) is definitely broken, as the issues I had been having (playback disconnects from the Samsung players, avi files showing up as Mpeg and not playing on the Sony players) are resolved.

-Alan
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Excellent! Got my S590 from amazon today, fairly easy setup and now have crisp 1080/5.1 audio coming via Netflix. Good riddance to the blasted Samsung C6500 I've dealt with for 2.5 years.
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This thread is pretty large so I'm not sure if the question has been answered in here, I did a search and didn't see any results. I have the BDP-S390 and when I try to stream a movie off of Netflix I constantly get dropped, even when I have it hard wired with an ethernet cable. I have a PS3 that is hard wired in off of the same router that gives me no problems streaming. I used to use the PS3 as my main bluray/media player, but wanted to give it a break since it's a first gen unit and runs hot. I have a Wii U that runs off of WiFi from the same router and it streams movies better than the BDP-S390 with no loss in signal. I checked for firmware updates and it says I have the most current updates, but it's the only device that seems to drop in signal. Any suggestions on how to fix this would be awesome.
Edited by DInkin Flicka - 1/23/13 at 8:49pm
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Just got my BDP-S390, and I love it! I apologize, but I can't seem to find this answer -- is there a way to search for content/titles across different platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Crackle, etc.)?
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Originally Posted by gnphiker View Post

Excellent! Got my S590 from amazon today, fairly easy setup and now have crisp 1080/5.1 audio coming via Netflix. Good riddance to the blasted Samsung C6500 I've dealt with for 2.5 years.

I had good success with my C6500, but like you, replaced it with a 590. The Samsung is being handed down to my sister, who doesn't need 1080p *or* 5.1 for streaming but wants Netflix for the set in her living room.
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Originally Posted by stormparade View Post

Just got my BDP-S390, and I love it! I apologize, but I can't seem to find this answer -- is there a way to search for content/titles across different platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Crackle, etc.)?

AFAIK, not in the player. http://www.canistream.it/ works in web browsers (I guess that you could use it in the S390's web browser, though you couldn't just click on a result and go to it). Roku added such a feature in a recent update; it's pretty cool. The BD players OEMs should consider following suit.
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It's a sad fact that blu ray players are now less about playing discs well and more about streaming apps. Quality has gone downhill.
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Originally Posted by stormparade View Post

Just got my BDP-S390, and I love it! I apologize, but I can't seem to find this answer -- is there a way to search for content/titles across different platforms (Netflix, Hulu, Vudu, Crackle, etc.)?

The new TV SideView App for iOS and Android by Sony (that will work with the 2012 x90 players) will search across Netflx, SEN, YouTube (and others).

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sony.tvsideview.tablet



Not sure about Vudu or Hulu.

Its available on Android Google Play store now, and iOS is coming soon.
Edited by apw2607 - 1/24/13 at 2:14pm
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Originally Posted by Rocko9999 View Post

It's a sad fact that blu ray players are now less about playing discs well and more about streaming apps. Quality has gone downhill.

BD playback is no longer a differentiator. They all pretty much playback the disks the same way with the same quality. Streaming is currently a differentiator, and therefore is the main play right now (with 2nd screen).
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Originally Posted by DInkin Flicka View Post

This thread is pretty large so I'm not sure if the question has been answered in here, I did a search and didn't see any results. I have the BDP-S390 and when I try to stream a movie off of Netflix I constantly get dropped, even when I have it hard wired with an ethernet cable. I have a PS3 that is hard wired in off of the same router that gives me no problems streaming. I used to use the PS3 as my main bluray/media player, but wanted to give it a break since it's a first gen unit and runs hot. I have a Wii U that runs off of WiFi from the same router and it streams movies better than the BDP-S390 with no loss in signal. I checked for firmware updates and it says I have the most current updates, but it's the only device that seems to drop in signal. Any suggestions on how to fix this would be awesome.

The only thing I can think of to try and troubleshoot this is to play the "Example Short 23.976" test clip in Netflix and note the bitrates and resolutions for each of your players. Maybe that will uncover what is going on.

http://movies.netflix.com/WiMovie/Example_Short_23.976/70136810?locale=en-US

If both the PS3 and the S390 are playing the same stream (bit rate/resolution) , and the S390 is constantly re-buffering, both hard wired, then clearly there is a problem with the S390 and I would get another one.

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I had good success with my C6500, but like you, replaced it with a 590. The Samsung is being handed down to my sister, who doesn't need 1080p *or* 5.1 for streaming but wants Netflix for the set in her living room.

Mine got better with time but still suffered from an issue where if you paused a disc and the screen saver came on the player would lock up. Tried everything to correct. Its on Ebay now ... cool.gif
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Re: DSD conversion...don't know about 390 but as far as I know my 590 can natively output DSD...not sure what you were asking specifically but if you meant if you choose to convert to PCM, I believe it's 176.4 kHz, at least that's what my Pioneer is showing.
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Originally Posted by Rocko9999 View Post

It's a sad fact that blu ray players are now less about playing discs well and more about streaming apps. Quality has gone downhill.

You do have a very valid point since this is an "enthusiast" forum. BUT, it also happens to be one of the BEST forums for exchanging information on equipment like this.

As for me personally, I'm a BUG magnet. If there is ANY flaw in a device, I WILL find it for sure. A while back I started purchasing some expensive gear (not top end, but expensive to me), and in just about every single case I was dissapointed because I had higher expectations from the higher priced gear, but found some glitch, some issue that prevented full enjoyment of the product.

I find I get more satisfaction of buying lower priced gear with lower expectations, and if my expectations are exceeded, I end up generally pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a nice smooth hi resolution picture, but because I could never achieve the expectations I had without breaking the bank I stopped watching the quality long ago, and now just watch the content.

-Alan
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Originally Posted by FirebirdTN View Post

You do have a very valid point since this is an "enthusiast" forum. BUT, it also happens to be one of the BEST forums for exchanging information on equipment like this.

As for me personally, I'm a BUG magnet. If there is ANY flaw in a device, I WILL find it for sure. A while back I started purchasing some expensive gear (not top end, but expensive to me), and in just about every single case I was dissapointed because I had higher expectations from the higher priced gear, but found some glitch, some issue that prevented full enjoyment of the product.

I find I get more satisfaction of buying lower priced gear with lower expectations, and if my expectations are exceeded, I end up generally pleased.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE a nice smooth hi resolution picture, but because I could never achieve the expectations I had without breaking the bank I stopped watching the quality long ago, and now just watch the content.

-Alan

Ever since I bought the S590, I've been completely satisfied with the quality. I haven't hd a single issue with either unit. Even my 570 still works reliably. It does lack some of the newer updates, but all three units still work. Back in 2009/10 is when i had the most issues with blu-ray technology, maybe even early 2012, but since then, everything has just worked.

As far as the comment on playback further up, great to hear, and you're welcome. I'll be excited to see the changes the developers make. Haven't seen an update in quite a while. it will be nice.
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Generally happy with the 590. What I'd like right now more than almost anything is a YouTube app that streams in HD. Or, barring that, an updated YouTube app on my PS3 that isn't such a POS. (On the PS3 when it's actually working it streams in HD and looks great, but frequently it'll hang -- sometimes for a few seconds, sometimes for several minutes (if I let it sit that long), sometimes until I give up and exit the app which, half the time, reboots the entire PS3. Both the 590 and the PS3 are on wired connections.)

Oh, also on the 590 I'd like a firmware app that would actually remember my place on multiple DVD's as long as I have a USB flash drive plugged in. But that's just dreaming, I suppose.
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Generally happy with the 590. What I'd like right now more than almost anything is a YouTube app that streams in HD. Or, barring that, an updated YouTube app on my PS3 that isn't such a POS. (On the PS3 when it's actually working it streams in HD and looks great, but frequently it'll hang -- sometimes for a few seconds, sometimes for several minutes (if I let it sit that long), sometimes until I give up and exit the app which, half the time, reboots the entire PS3. Both the 590 and the PS3 are on wired connections.)

Oh, also on the 590 I'd like a firmware app that would actually remember my place on multiple DVD's as long as I have a USB flash drive plugged in. But that's just dreaming, I suppose.

As far as remembering one's place on multiple dvds it should be a possible feature--I've still got and use a 14 year old Sony dvd player that will remember where I left off on the last 60 or so discs played, with no flashdrive. It also will set and rememember bookmarks for those same 60 discs, has a headphone jack with volume control, full video calibration settings, and a remote that seems to weigh half a pound. Of course it did cost $499 back in the day.
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I'm almost ready to buy this save for one concern - I've read that the load time can be up to twice as long as other players, for instance panny bdt 220. What do you guys think, is this true? I really can't stand the slow load times! If the panny is faster I am strongly tempted to go that route, even though everything else about this one looks better. I don't care about netflix or other internet streaming, I have those features already elsewhere. I am interested in playing back mkv on my local network, any recommendation on this vs. the panny with regard to mkv streaming? If the mkv streaming worked much better than on the panny, then I would probably prefer that even with slower load times.

Edit: quick start / quick load? Does it work or is it just marketing lies.
Edited by sievers - 1/25/13 at 3:57pm
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Quick start works because, when enabled, the player is essentially on all the time. Saving a few seconds isn't worth several dollars in electricity to me, but to each his own. I can wait 30 seconds. It's really no big deal.

While panny barely plays any video files, it can play mkv with no problem. Sony can handle many more file types, but if mkv is your only requirement, panny will work fine.
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Please help. I know I read this already here but couldn't find again. I just added a video to my shared video folder on my pc but it does not show up on my Sony 590. I'm using windows media player to share on the computer. If you have any advice it would be greatly appreciated.
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Don't use windows media, use Serviio.
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Quick start works because, when enabled, the player is essentially on all the time. Saving a few seconds isn't worth several dollars in electricity to me, but to each his own. I can wait 30 seconds. It's really no big deal.

While panny barely plays any video files, it can play mkv with no problem. Sony can handle many more file types, but if mkv is your only requirement, panny will work fine.

Does that panasonic play MKV VC-1 or mpeg 2 ? TrueHd ?

The problem with MKVs is, all they are is containers for something else. You need to figure out what you really want to play, and then figure out the best container for the player.
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Quick start works because, when enabled, the player is essentially on all the time. Saving a few seconds isn't worth several dollars in electricity to me, but to each his own. I can wait 30 seconds. It's really no big deal.

While panny barely plays any video files, it can play mkv with no problem. Sony can handle many more file types, but if mkv is your only requirement, panny will work fine.

Thanks. Anyone had any luck streaming from a NetGear router?
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Originally Posted by apw2607 

The problem with MKVs is, all they are is containers for something else. You need to figure out what you really want to play, and then figure out the best container for the player.

I've been ripping with make Mkv, not sure what it creates...
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