Official Sony BDP-S590 and BDP-390 Thread - Page 100

Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte 

Not sure this workaround will work. I thought during setup up the 590 it asks how it is connected to the tv (hdmi or composite). I'm not near the player and may be getting mixed up with something else I own. But hey, won't hurt to try.
If it doesn't work, it may not like sending the audio over HDMI and video over composite.

Originally Posted by jonny-zed 

I haven't tried this on my 590 but a similar setup to what Vampidemic describes worked just fine with my 570 recently when I bought a soundbar and didn't have enough HDMI cables initially. I connected the RGB composite video outputs directly from the 570 to the TV and then connected an optical cable I had lying around from the optical out on the 570 to the optical input on the soundbar.

Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte 

My concern is our setups don't use HDMI for audio, and once you say the video is not going through HDMI, if it will turn off that connection for security reasons. Having audio output via HDMI and video through composite is not a very common setup

Originally Posted by jonny-zed 


Agree that it's not very common but your comment intrigued me - What sort of a security threat does sending only an audio signal between a BDP and an AVR pose and to whom? Are Blu-ray manufacturers concerned about people illegally copying a movie soundtrack? I admit I'm not enlightened on this topic so would like to better understand it. Thanks!

Originally Posted by Selden Ball 

That's the stance of the production studios, not most of the BD player manufacturers. The studios require that encryption be used to protect their high resolution products so consumers can't copy them. That's why HDCP encryption is part of the HDMI standard, and licensed HDMI products won't play high resolution audio and video signals if the HDMI or DVI display device doesn't support HDCP. [eta] and why hires multichannel audio can't be transported over S/PDIF coax and optical connections.[/eta] Of course, that does not prevent sophisticated pirates from copying things. *sigh*

Originally Posted by Pioneer_Elte 

My understanding of the technology is that HDCP requires a secure handshaking between source and display.

What Selden Ball was saying is that the premise of HDMI is to utilize one cable for a secure video/audio connection, and from his comment I'm lead to believe that video takes preference. If you don't pass the video signal along the HDMI, then no audio will be passed along either. However, you can pass along a video signal through the HDMI without the audio, which is the backwards capability of DVI-HDMI.

I'm a hands-on person and would like to know for my own knowledge. As I mentioned before, my AVR is a few years old and doesn't have the HDMI connections.
I also just want to thank everyone who contributed what they know on this topic so everyone can learn a little more.

Originally Posted by sf49erjohn 

I purchased a BDP-S590 this past weekend and have not been able to get the unit to play the DTS-HD Master Audio when I put in the The Dark Knight Rises blu-ray disc. I fiddled with the audio settings but all I get is DD. My receiver is a Pioneer SC-37. I am using a HDMI cable out from the S590 to the SC-37 then component out of the receiver to the television because there is no HDMI connection on the Pioneer Pro-510. I searched this thread but have not found anyone with my receiver having this problem. Does anyone have the Audio setting combinations for DTS-HD with my setup for watching movies and also the appropriate settings for playing SACD's? Thanks so much in advance!

Originally Posted by nando820 

Watching blu-rays in DTS-HD audio but 480 video definition kinda sucks, I would try to get an HDMI to Component (green +blue+red) converter. I know they can be a bit pricey but at least is cheaper than upgrading your display.

Originally Posted by michaeltscott 


He said that he was using component out of his receiver, not composite; it should be 1080p res.

Originally Posted by Vampidemic 

I'm not familiar with his receiver, but if it even has the ability to convert the HDMI signal to analog, it should refuse to do this in any case where HDCP applies.

Originally Posted by jonny-zed 

I haven't tried this on my 590 but a similar setup to what Vampidemic describes worked just fine with my 570 recently when I bought a soundbar and didn't have enough HDMI cables initially. I connected the RGB composite video outputs directly from the 570 to the TV and then connected an optical cable I had lying around from the optical out on the 570 to the optical input on the soundbar. Like Vamp was saying, you'll need to select the correct inputs on both the TV and the receiver (I think the options there are "Auto" or "HDMI" based on p. 62 of the SC-37 manual). And yes, for the 590 Easy Setup, you'd have to chose the analog connection to the TV as opposed to HDMI. Since there is not a similar toggle for audio on the 590, whatever you have connected from the 590 to the SC-37 will produce sound in the appropriate format, again depending on the input chosen on the SC-37. Good luck, sf49erJohn and sorry about the recent Super Bowl - let us know how it works out.

Originally Posted by sf49erjohn 

Jonny-
Yes the Super Bowl didnt quite end the way I was hoping. That being said I was able to run a composite cable out of my S590 directly to the Pioneer Pro510HD and watch the The Dark Knight Rises by changing the input on the TV and enjoy DTS HD audio. However I would still like to understand why no video is being passed through HDMI to the SC-37 and then component cable to the television. For now it works and the DTS HD audio is impressive. I went on the SC-37 Receiver page and inquired, hopefully someone has an answer and will reply. Do I need to purchase an HDMI to Component converter to make this work? I assume if so I should get 1080P? Not knowing the technical aspects of this I assumed the SC-37 would pass the HDMI video through the SC-37 to the monitor via component cable but it doesnt.

John

Originally Posted by apw2607 

You have to first select the text field and then the onscreen keyboard displays on the tv. Only then can you input text via media remote.

Note this does not work for Vudu or netflix.

Originally Posted by Vampidemic 

John,

I checked the manual for your SC-37 receiver. As per page 31, since your are feeding your TV with component inputs, you need to use analog video inputs (component or composite) to feed your receiver if you want the receiver to pass on those video inputs to the TV. This is pretty typical, some receivers will do an analog to digital conversion of the video signal, but the the reverse is problematic due to the content protection used for digital video (HDCP). RCA component video maxes out at 1080i, so you won't get 1080p over component video connections even if you had a BD player with component outputs.

If your TV has a DVI input and supports HDCP, you should get an HDMI to DVI adapter to interface your TV with your receiver. If you have an HDTV without HDMI or DVI that you plan on keeping for awhile, you may want to return you BDP-S590 and find an older Blu-ray player which has component outputs AND does not honor Analog sunset restrictions. Do some reading on 'Analog Sunset' to understand what this is all about, but the gist of it is that the Blu-ray manufacturers and content providers have conspired to phase out HD analog video based on the notion that it's less secure and easier to copy. No BD player made after March 2012 can offer component outputs. Most players from 2011 and later restrict the output resolution of protected video over component outputs as well, so you would probably need a player from 2010 or earlier and you'll want to do some research to make sure whatever player you choose doesn't downscale video over component when playing protected discs. To further complicate matters, a lot of the cheaper BD players from major manufacturers tend to fail within a few years, putting you in more of a predicament. If you plan on keeping your set for awhile, you might want to look into a specialty player like the Oppos. I've never owned one myself, but they have a reputation for stellar service and can apparently be repaired cost effectively, which is not true of most other players. You would still need to get an older (used) player (I think the BDP-83 would work, but you'll want to confirm).

There may be some HDMI to component converters available that will solve your problem, but it would have to be something black market to get around HDCP restrictions and quality will likely vary by product, so I would not suggest going down this route unless someone on AVS can recommend an affordable solution proven to perform well for this specific task. Personally, I would be looking to acquire an HDMI set sooner than later if I were you, that's just the way things have gone in the industry. More and more devices are being released without analog outputs and/or inputs.and that trend is not going to change.

Originally Posted by apw2607 

Yes. If you look at the new Sony 2013 players they have no analog outputs. Not even composite or analog audio !!!